Prabhupada: (referring to ants)
Just see. One second, thousands came.Bhakti-caru: (Bengali)Prabhupada:
How quickly they come! Just see. And wherefrom they get out of?Tamala Krsna:
Yeah, how do they find out about it? That's what I don't
understand.Prabhupada: That they know.Tamala Krsna: They were all over,
and the medicine was up here.Prabhupada: Come just like magic, they
come.Tamala Krsna: Yeah, how is it? I can't understand it. I really don't
understand it.Giriraja: Acintya-sakti.Tamala Krsna: It must be Supersoul
telling them...Prabhupada: Yes.Tamala Krsna: ...that there's something
here. Do they smell it? No.Prabhupada: Anyway, they are also living entities
like us. Whenever there is some sense of enjoyment, they flock
together.Tamala Krsna: They are (indistinct).Prabhupada: They are expert
more than us. You cannot go. Suppose there is one lakh of rupees downstairs. You
can get it. You cannot go in one minute. They can do.Tamala Krsna: So
they're better than us?Prabhupada: They're expert. Suppose if I, if somebody
informs that "In the corner of the temple there is one lakh of rupees. Somebody
has left," you cannot go in one minute. It will take at least ten minutes. But
here it is kept-immediately. So how much expert they are. Just imagine. So why
you are so proud that you are scientist, you are expert? You nothing.Tamala
Krsna: Here they come again.Prabhupada: Everyone is working under nature's
law. They are working under nature's law in such a way. You cannot do
that.Tamala Krsna: Just see. They are already in it again.Prabhupada:
There are many, many experts from the lower-grade creatures. Ant hill. You are
spending so much money for skyscraper building. The ant, they construct big hill
as their residential quarters. Where they get their food? Where they get
their...? But they are living. This is nature's study. Now you can... So what is
this? Ahara-nidra. For eating. So for these four principles -- eating, sleeping,
sex, and defense -- everyone knows. But the human society, they have made it a
problem. These small ants, they also require those things, but they have no
problem. For defense they don't require atomic weapon. They know in their own
way how to defend. Cats, dogs, animals -- everyone knows. Struggling. Our human
society, advanced, means they are perplexed with these problems. The human life
was meant for self-realization. That problem left, they have created some
problems which the animals can solve in their own way. This is the present
society. This political struggle and..., what is their aim, objective? To solve
these problems. Nothing more. Nunam pramattah kurute vikarma [SB 5.5.4],
indriya-pritaye, these four principles, sense gratification. The ant is also
struggling. They wanted to enjoy the little sugar in the here. We have driven
him. That's a problem. They have to find out somewhere else.Tamala Krsna:
Still they're...Prabhupada: Expecting. Hope against hope. This is struggle.
That they do not see. They do... We have got this valuable life. What we are
doing? We are doing the same thing as the small ants do. So what is the
difference between that life and this life? Therefore Krsna comes that "This is
not your business. Your business is to surrender unto Me." Sarva-dharman
parityajya [Bg. 18.66]. That will be solved automatically. But they don't. They
take advantage of Bhagavad-gita and apply it for solving these problems. Gandhi
and Bhagavad-gita -- what is that? Political struggle. Such a rascal. And he's
leader? He does not know what is the purpose of Bhagavad-gita. Has Krsna come
down to speak how to defend, how to eat, how to sleep? Is there any statement
there? Tatha dehantara-praptih [Bg. 2.13]. Solve this problem. This is the
beginning of Bhagavad-gita. And who, nonsense, understands this? Tyaktva deham
punar janma naiti [Bg. 4.9]. This teaching... This is a teaching of
Bhagavad-gita. And they are taking Bhagavad-gita for solving these problems.
That's all. Ants' struggle. Violence, nonviolence and... So such big, big
rascals are guiding us. What benefit they have given? And they are praised.
Sva-vid-varahostra-kharaih samstutah... [SB 2.3.19]. He's an animal, and he's
praised by some small animals. That's all. This is their position. They are not
actual leader. They are animals, but because we are small animals, we are
praising. So it is very difficult to understand our philosophy, but still, we
have to preach. That is our mission. A little drop, maybe like a film or less
than that... Still, they are... And again, when you cleanse this, you kill them
-- you become implicated. You have killed. You have to suffer. They are
disturbing; still, you cannot kill them. This is your position. But people are
with Flit (a bug killer) killing thousands of mosquitoes and flies, becoming
implicated.Tamala Krsna: We shouldn't kill them. What about if they're
biting you, right in the process of biting you?Prabhupada: Hm?Tamala
Krsna: Supposing a mosquito is biting you and sucking the blood.Prabhupada:
Yes, when they bite, you can kill, according to laws of nature. But on the
whole, you cannot kill.Tamala Krsna: You cannot invent
means...Prabhupada: Therefore mosquito curtain.Tamala Krsna:
Prevention.Prabhupada: Prevention is better than cure. They are meant for
that purpose. God has made. So instead of killing them, you protect your... But
if you are in the service of the Lord, you are not responsible.Tamala Krsna:
One great Vaisnava was putting the... There were maggots eating
in...Prabhupada: And that is also story given. Do not believe.Tamala
Krsna: But in the Caitanya-caritamrta there's mention of one
great...Giriraja: Vasudeva. Vasudeva.Prabhupada: Hm? Oh,
yes.Giriraja: There was a leper, and out of compassion for
them...Prabhupada: Yes. He thought that "I am meant for suffering. Why shall
I stop it?" That is exceptional case.Tamala Krsna: You cannot imitate that.
(end)
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Conversation: Animals' Expertise -- April 28, 1977,
Bombay
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