Bombay, April 2, 1974
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Chandobhai:idam tu te
guhyatamam
pravaksyamy anasuyave
jnanam vijnana-sahitam
yaj jnatva moksyase 'subhat
Prabhupada: Yes, the first qualification is anasuyave.
Dr. Patel: Anasuyave, one who is not cajoling against God.
Prabhupada: No. One who is not envious. A person generally... All conditioned souls, they are envious of God, envious. "Why He should be God? I am God. I am God." So Arjuna is not like that person. Therefore he is speaking to Arjuna. He is devotee. In the Fourth Chapter also, He said bhakto 'si priyo 'si [Bg. 4.3]. Therefore Krsna does not expose Himself unless one is devotee. This is first qualification. So to understand Bhagavad-gita one must be a devotee. The so-called jnani, yogis, they cannot understand. It is not possible, because they are trying to become God. Although it is simply dream, they can never become, but they are envious, that "Why Krsna should be God? I have got so many gods." Anasuyave.
Dr. Patel: Raja-vidya raja-guhyam pavitram idam uttamam pratyaksa.
Prabhupada: Avagamam.
Dr. Patel: Avagamam dharmyam su-sukham kartum avyayam [Bg. 9.2].
Prabhupada: Yes. And the bhakti-yoga... This is bhakti-yoga. Therefore it is raja-vidya; means all kinds of learning, it is the king of...
Dr. Patel: King of all.
Prabhupada: So raja-vidya and raja-guhyam, most confident, very secret. It is not... And pavitram, uttamam.
Dr. Patel: Pratyaksa avagamam.
Prabhupada: And pratyaksa avagamam dharmyam. If you are jnani, karmi, yogi, you cannot immediately directly perceive whether actually you have got the thing, but bhakti-yoga is like that. Bhakti-yoga, if you perform, you will perceive that "Yes, I am in this stage. I am in this stage." That has been described by Rupa Gosvami. Just like when you are hungry and you are eating something, you can understand... (aside:) Don't come very near. You can understand that how much satisfaction you have got by eating. You haven't got to ask anybody, "Whether I am eating?" You can understand. The bhakti-yoga is so nice thing that if you execute it, you will understand your position. And it is su-sukham. To execute bhakti-yoga, there is no difficulty. It is always happy. Just like our program. Program is chant, dance, take prasadam. And if you take yoga system, jnana system, first of all you have to become a very great learned scholar, and then yoga system, you have to practice so many asanas, press your nose, and so many things. But here everything is very happy: chant, chant Hare Krsna mantra, dance and then take prasadam, and you understand where you are. This is the su-sukham. And avyayam. Avyayam means whatever little bhakti-yoga you have advanced, that is permanent.
Dr. Patel:
asraddadhanah purusa
dharmasyasya parantapa
aprapya mam nivartante
mrtyu-samsara-vartmani
[Bg. 9.3]
Prabhupada: Ah. "And those who have no faith in bhakti-yoga, they do not get me. They simply labor." That's all. Srama eva hi kevalam [SB 1.2.8]. They are wasting time. That's all. As soon as we say, the time wasters, they become angry, "Oh, why you are saying? Don't criticize others." But if we say... (Hindi:) Satya bole ta mare latha (laughter) suta jagalda.(?) If you bluff, "Oh, you are doing very nice, you are doing very nice," oh, he will be very pleased. And if I say that "You rascal, you are doing all, simply wasting your time," he will not be... Murkhayopadeso hi prakopaya.
Dr. Patel:
maya tatam idam sarvam
jagad avyakta-murtina
mat-sthani sarva-bhutani
na caham tesv avasthitah
[Bg. 9.4]
Prabhupada: Yes, yes.
Dr. Patel:
na mat sthani bhutani
pasya me yogam aisvaram
bhuta-bhrn na ca bhuta-stho
mamatma bhuta-bhavanah
Prabhupada: Yes. So this is His inconceivable potency. Everything is resting on Him. Without Him, there is nothing. Nothing can exist. Still... The same argument comes again, that because the dog or the anything is resting on me, it does not mean I am dog. Daridra, he is resting on me, that does not mean I am daridra. Yes. This is the... This is wrong conception, misleading people. This kind of coined word, simply misleading people.
Dr. Patel: Na ca mat-sthani bhutani.
Prabhupada: Yes. I have nothing to do with daridra. He is suffering of his own karma.
Dr. Patel: But here a little difficulty for me. Here on the first line He says, mat-sthani sarva-bhutani [Bg. 9.4]. Second line He says, na ca mat-sthani bhutani pasya me yogam aisvaram.
Prabhupada: Yes, yes. Therefore, na ca mat-sthani: "Although I am there, I am not there." That is inconceivable, simultaneously not also, just to warn these people that although Narayana is within the daridra or the dog, that does not mean I am dog or I am daridra.
Dr. Patel: Bhuta-bhrn na ca bhuta-stho mamatma bhuta-bhavanah.
Prabhupada: Bhuta-stha bhuta-bhavanah: "Everything is coming from Me. I am also within that, but still..." It is called acintya-bhedabheda. "I am there; I am not there."
Dr. Patel: Yathakasa-sthito nityam vayuh sarvatra-go mahan.
Prabhupada: Ah, this is the example.
Dr. Patel: Tatha sarvani bhutani mat-sthanity upadharaya.
Prabhupada: Yes. Just like this cloud. The cloud we say, "In the sky." The cloud is not in the sky. It is on the air. They mistake this, that "Narayana is there." Narayana is not there. Narayana is separate. That is their foolishness.
Dr. Patel:
sarva-bhutani kaunteya
prakrtim yanti mamikam
kalpa-ksaye punas tani
kalpadau visrjamy aham
Prabhupada: Yes. Because everything is coming from Him. Yato va imani bhutani jayante. Again they are given a chance to prosecute the result of his karma. And there is chance also to become a devotee. Therefore Krsna by His confidential servant, He preaches, "Take to this." But if they do not take, then again kalpa-ksaye, again enters.
Dr. Patel: Kalpadau visrjamy aham.
Prabhupada: And again there is kalpa. Again they come out. In this way they do not become liberated. Just like the child, those who are being, what is called, contraceptive method, abortion. These are very sinful. Because they have done killing, so they enter into the mother's womb and they are again killed, and again enter into the mother's womb, and again killed. He does not see the light. Similarly, those who are sinful, they are given chance in material manifestation, "Now work for Krsna consciousness." But they do not do that. Again enters, again come out. Bhutva bhutva praliyate [Bg. 8.19]. This is going on. How much they are wasting their time, not taking to Krsna consciousness.
Dr. Patel:
prakrtim svam avastabhya
visrjami punah punah
bhuta-gramam imam krtsnam
avasam prakrter vasat
Prabhupada: Now visrjami. The Gods, He creates. Here they comes. The rascals, they do not believe it, that "There is no creator." The Jains, they do not believe it, that creator has done it. "It has come automatically." Buddhist philosophy is like that, that "Everything is coming by combination..."
Dr. Patel: Prakrti and purusa.
Prabhupada: Yes. This is wrong theory. Actually, He says visrjami, aham visrjami: "I do."
Dr. Patel: Prakrtim svam avastabhya: "Controlling my prakrti."
Prabhupada: Avastabhya, now entering.
Dr. Patel: "Entering into My prakrti, I am srjami, punah punah."
Prabhupada: Yes, yes. He is outside; He is inside.
Indian: And then leave it in the control of the prakrti, prakrter vasat, avasam prakrter vasat. Bhuta-gramam imam krtsnam avasam prakrter vasat.
Prabhupada: Bhuta-gramam, not He.
Dr. Patel: Bhuta-gramam, is due to the prakrti, after creating the bhutas.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Patel:
na ca mam tani karmani
nibadhnanti dhananjaya
udasina-vad asinam
asaktam tesu karmasu
Prabhupada: Yes. The same thing, that just like a judge orders, "This man should be hanged," but the judge is not affected by such thing. He's not affected. Just like you surgical, you are going on surgical operation. You are not affected. The man is crying, "Oh, here, doctor, you are killing me, killing me, killing me." But the killing or not killing, doctor Saheb is not in con-(indistinct).
Dr. Patel:
mayadhyaksena prakrtih
suyate sa-caracaram
hetunanena kaunteya
jagad viparivartate
[Bg. 9.10]
Prabhupada: Yes. This is the... These rascal atheist class, they think that prakrti is creating. Prakrti is creating, that the ocean is created by prakrti. But why the ocean does not come here? Fifty, sixty yards? Because there is order that "You cannot come here." This big ocean, immediately, in one minute, it can swallow up whole Bombay. Therefore it is controlled. It is controlled by the Supreme. Mayadhyaksena.
Dr. Patel:
mayadhyaksena prakrtih
suyate sa-caracaram
hetunanena kaunteya
jagad viparivartate
[Bg. 9.10]
Prabhupada: The whole worldly affairs is going on... The godless atheists, they cannot understand it, that behind this prakrti, the wonderful prakrti, so many things happening... It is not happening independently.
Dr. Patel: By the order of God.
Prabhupada: Yes. Mayadhyaksena: "Under My control."
Dr. Patel:
avajananti mam mudha
manusim tanum asritam
param bhavam ajananto
mama bhuta-mahesvaram
[Bg. 9.11]
Prabhupada: Now, these mudhas, they will think, "Huh? It is controlled by Krsna? He is ordinary man like this." A mudha. Param bhavam ajananto. He does not know how much powerful is Krsna, the mudha.
Dr. Patel: But you see, this is not like this, that those fools... [break]
Prabhupada: That is also another mudha, but supposing if Krsna says that "I am controlling the whole universe." The mudha will not believe it. "Huh? How is that? How...? Such a big gigantic prakrti, and He is a person. He can control?" The mudha cannot understand. He cannot understand that how much powerful is Krsna.
Dr. Patel: Param bhavam ajanantah.
Prabhupada: Param bhavam ajanantah. They do not know what is the all-omniscient nature of Krsna.
Dr. Patel: The spiritual power of Krsna. No. Param bhava? Moghasa mogha-karmano mogha-jnana vicetasah [Bg. 9.12].
Prabhupada: Therefore, as soon as these rascals, they get little power, yogic perfection, they think, "I have become God. I have become God."
Dr. Patel: Mogha-jnana vicetasah. (laughing)
Prabhupada: Yes. Rascal, he thinks that because "I can make like this, little gold, therefore I have become God." The rascal does not think that "I am making, say, two grains or five grains of gold, but one who has made gold mines, millions, so he will be God or I will be God?" The rascal does not think that. And other rascals follow, "Oh, here is God. Here is God. He is creating gold." You see? Therefore mudha.
Dr. Patel: Moghasa mogha-karmano mogha-jnana vicetasah [Bg. 9.12].
Prabhupada: Ah, moghasa. They are thinking that "I will become like this, I will become like this." Karmis are thinking like this, jnanis are thinking like this. Yogis are... But they are all false, mudhas. Moghasa. Their hope will be frustrated. Moghasa. Moghasa mogha-karmano [Bg. 9.12]. Mogha means frustration. Moghasa mogha-karmano [Bg. 9.12].
Dr. Patel: Raksasim asurim caiva prakrtim mohinim sritah.
Prabhupada: Yes. Mohinim. They are that avisuddha-buddhayah. Aruhya krcchrena param padam tatah patanty adhah anadhrta-yusmad-anghrayah [SB 10.2.32]. They are all impure. Their intelligence is not purified.
Dr. Patel: Mahatmanas tu mam partha daivim prakrtim asritah [Bg. 9.13].
Prabhupada: Ah. Now... Now here come in the... These people are moghasa, moghasa. Their all hopes will be frustrated. But another class, mahatma. Mahatmanas tu mam partha [Bg. 9.13]. They take shelter of the spiritual energy. Daivim prakrtim asritah. Because they, the symptom is bhajanty ananya manasah, "Hare Krsna." They are not captivated by the so-called jnanis, yogis, karmis, no. Simply chant Hare Krsna.
Dr. Patel: Satatam kirtayanto mam yatantas ca drdha-vratah [Bg. 9.14].
Prabhupada: Yes. Again explained. Satatam kirtayanto. That is their only business.
Dr. Patel: Namasyantas ca mam bhaktya nitya-yukta upasate.
Prabhupada: Yes. That is being done in every ISKCON center. Satatam kirtayanto, chanting always Krsna, namasyantas, offering obeisances. Everything in Krsna. This is mahatma.
Dr. Patel: Yes.
jnana-yajnena capy anye
yajanto mam upasate
ekatvena prthaktvena
bahudha visvato-mukham
[Bg. 9.15]
Here difficulty.
Prabhupada: Yes. Difficult... The jnana-yoga... Indirectly. They are bhajante mam, but in a different way. And the mahatmas, those who are bhaktas, they are directly in the way. And they are indirectly, in this way.
Dr. Patel: Ekatvena prthaktvena bahudha visvato-mukham.
Prabhupada: Ah. Ekatvena: "Now, I am, I am God."
Dr. Patel: Prthaktvena. Bahudha visvato-mukham.
Prabhupada: Pantheism, pantheism, bahudha. Bahudha means God has become pantheism.
Dr. Patel:
aham kratur aham yajnah
svadhaham aham ausadham
mantro 'ham aham evajyam
aham agir aham hutam
[Bg. 9.16]
Prabhupada: Yes. "Everything is I. Everything is I." Because it is His energy, therefore He is. Sakti-saktimator abhedah. The energy and the energetic, they are identical.
Dr. Patel:
pitaham asya jagato
mata dhata pitamahah
vedyam pavitram omkara
rk sama yajur eva ca
[Bg. 9.17]
Prabhupada: Yes. "Everything, these Vedas, that I am." Vedais caham, aham eva vedyah. So these... There are rascals. They claim that "We are Vedic student. We don't believe in Krsna. We don't believe in Bhagavad-gita." You know this rascal society?
Dr. Patel:
gatir bharta prabhuh saksi
nivasah saranam suhrt
prabhavah pralayah sthanam
nidhanam bijam avyayam
[Bg. 9.18]
"Everything is I. I am death as well as I am life."
Prabhupada: Yes, yes.
Dr. Patel:
tapamy aham aham varsam
nigrhnamy utsrjami ca
amrtam caiva mrtyus ca
sad asac caham arjuna
[Bg. 9.19]
He is sat and asat both.
Prabhupada: Cause and effect.
Dr. Patel: Cause and effect. Now comes about the brahmana class who are making the yajnas.
trai-vidya mam soma-pah puta-papa
yajnair istva svar-gatim prarthayante
te punyam asadya surendra-lokam
asnanti divyan divi deva-bhogan
[Bg. 9.20]
Prabhupada: Yes. Svar-gatim, those who are desiring to go to the Svarga-loka, heavenly planet, they go. They go...
Dr. Patel: And come back.
Prabhupada: ...but again come back.
Dr. Patel:
Te tam bhuktva svarga-lokam visalam
ksine punye martya-lokam visanti
[Bg. 9.21]
Prabhupada: Yes. But those who are devotees, they do not come back.
Dr. Patel:
Evam trayi-dharmam anuprapanna
gatagatam kama-kama labhante
[Bg. 9.21]
Prabhupada: This is trayi-dharma, Vedic process.
Dr. Patel:
ananyas cintayanto mam
ye janah paryupasate
tesam nityabhiyuktanam
yoga-ksemam vahamy aham
[Bg. 9.22]
Prabhupada: The devotees, they do not care for anybody. Simply depending on Krsna. Therefore whatever necessities they require, Krsna will supply.
Dr. Patel: Ye 'py anya-devata-bhakta yajante sraddhayanvitah. (Hindi) Te 'pi mam eva kaunteya yajanty avidhi-purvakam [Bg. 9.23]. Aham hi sarva-yajnanam bhokta ca prabhur eva ca, na tu mam abhijananti tattva...[Bg. 9.24].
Prabhupada: Yes. He is performing yajna. Just like the yajnic brahmana in Vrndavana. Krsna went there and asked for some food. "Heh!"
Dr. Patel: They did not give.
Prabhupada: They did not give.
Dr. Patel: Their wives gave.
Prabhupada: All yajnic brahmanas, like that. There are so many fools like that. They are thinking that "I am, we are doing yajnas, I am doing this, I am doing that. What is this Krsna? The Krsna devotees are less intelligent. They are chanting Hare Krsna."
Dr. Patel:
aham hi sarva-yajnanam
bhokta ca prabhur eva ca
na tu mam abhijananti
tattvenatas cyavanti te
[Bg. 9.24]
Because they fall from the truth.
Prabhupada: Yes. Because these people do not understand Krsna tattvatah, therefore they fall down.
Dr. Patel:
yanti deva-vrata devan
pitrn yanti pitr-vratah
bhutani yanti bhutejya
yanti mad-yajino 'pi mam
[Bg. 9.25]
Prabhupada: Ah, yes. "Now, the devayajas, they can go to the heavenly planet. Pitrs and sraddha performer, they go Pitrloka. Bhutejya. Those who are worshiping this material world, they remain here. But if one worships Me, he comes to Me."
Dr. Patel: Come to Me in Goloka Vrndavana.
Prabhupada: Yes. Everything is open, but an intelligent person will think that "Why shall I go to Svarga-loka? Why shall I remain here? Why shall I go to Pitrloka? Let me go direct to Krsna." Yad gatva na nivartante tad dhama paramam mama [Bg. 15.6]. That is intelligent, to become Krsna conscious, to take to Krsna wholeheartedly. That is real intelligence. Otherwise mudha, whatever he may be.
Dr. Patel: Patram puspam phalam toyam yo me bhaktya prayacchati [Bg. 9.26].
Prabhupada: Ah. And to satisfy Krsna, it does not require any expensive material. If you have nothing to offer, you can offer patram puspam phalam. He will be satisfied. And performing this yajna and other, oh, you have got to collect so much ghee, so much grain, so much mantras, so many learned brahmanas and this and that. You have nothing to do. Anywhere, any part of the world, universal. Any man, poor man, rich man, can offer Krsna whatever He has got. Krsna is satisfied.
Dr. Patel: Tad aham bhakty-upahrtam.
Prabhupada: Ah. Bhaktya-upahrtam asnami prayatatmanah. Yes. "Because he has offered Me with faith and devotion and love, I accept it." So when Krsna eats something from your hand, then what remains? You gain perfection. All perfection is there. If Krsna is accepting something from your hand, "Yes, I will eat it." Then?
Dr. Patel:
yat karosi yad asnasi
yajjuhosi dadasi yat
yat tapasyasi kaunteya
tat kurusva mad-arpanam
[Bg. 9.27]
Prabhupada: Kurusva tad mad-arpanam. Therefore this is bhakti-yoga. Whatever you do, the result you give to Krsna.
Dr. Patel: Whatever you do for Him and forget about it.
Prabhupada: Yes. Unless you do for Him, how you can give Him? Because you are thinking that "I am doing for me," therefore you do not give to Krsna. You keep it in your pocket.
Dr. Patel: Subhasubha-phalair evam moksyase karma-bandhanaih [Bg. 9.28]. Ah, yat tapasyasi kaunteya tad kurusva mad-arpanam [Bg. 9.27].
Prabhupada: Yes. Tapasi, tapasya. There are many, they are very much addicted to tapasya, suska tapasya. Suska tapasya. There are many stages. Unnecessarily starving, fasting, unnecessarily.
Dr. Patel: Karsanti mam.
Prabhupada: Ah. Yes. This is going on. Why? Take Krsna prasadam, be happy, chant Hare Krsna mantra and dance. Susukham kartum avyayam [Bg. 9.2]. Everything very nice to perform and very progressive, immediately.
Dr. Patel:
subhasubha-phalair evam
moksyase karma-bandhanaih
sannyasa-yoga-yuktatma
vimukto mam upaisyasi
[Bg. 9.28]
Prabhupada: Yes. Sannyasa-yoga means sa sannyasi, the one who acts for Krsna, sa sannyasi.
Dr. Patel: Sannyasa-yoga-yuktatma. Means you have actually, I mean, sannyasa means nyasa of all attachment for the...
Prabhupada: Nyasa means giving up, giving up. Sat nyasa, sannyasa. Om tat sat. Sat is Krsna. Therefore when you sacrifice everything for Krsna, that is real sannyasa, not this dress. This dress is symbolical. That's all. Real thing is karyam karma karoti ya. Karyam. "Oh, it is my... Krsna wants, everyone should surrender unto Him. Then I shall teach everyone to surrender to Krsna." Karyam. "This is my business." Karyam karma karoti, sa sannyasi. What is that karyam? Karyam means this is karyam.
Chandobhai: Yajna dana tapa.
Prabhupada: Yes. Krsna says, sarva-dharman parityajya [Bg. 18.66]. You'll take a practical... My Guru Maharaja gave me hint that book publication is more pleasing to me than Matha-mandira. So I took it and I began to publish books and that has come successful. Karyam karma. I took it, "Oh, Guru Maharaja wants that books should be published. So let me concentrate on this instead of..." My creating so many centers, big, big temples, that is not my primary duty. My primary duty is to write books. Therefore I am going on still. These are coming automatically. Maybe this is the secret of my success.
Dr. Patel: Sannyasa-yoga-yuktatma vimukto mam upaisyasi.
Prabhupada: Ah, karyam, that one should take the order of the guru, because guru is the representative of Krsna. So when one takes... That is explained by Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura in connection with the verse:
vyavasayatmika buddhir
ekeha kuru-nandana
bahu-sakha hy anantas ca
buddhayo 'vyavasayinam
[Bg. 2.41]
So the vyavasayis, those who are fixed up in the words of guru, "So guru has ordered me to do it. Oh, that is my life. I do not know whether I will be promoted to heaven or hell. It doesn't matter. I shall execute..."
Dr. Patel: Execute the order of the guru.
Prabhupada: Guru. Yes. Very easy. That is the secret. Yasya deve para bhaktir tatha deve yatha gurau [SU 6.23]. Then he is sure to be successful. This is the secret.
Dr. Patel:
samo 'ham sarva-bhutesu
na me dvesyo 'sti na priyah
ye bhajanti tu mam bhakt ya
mayi te tesu capy aham
[Bg. 9.29]
Prabhupada: Just see. They bhajanti, and these rascals has announced, "This bhajana is nuisance." Just see. This is Kali-yuga, and this is our Indian government. Ye bhajanti mam tesam. He is always associating with God. "I am always with him," ye bhajanti, and this rascal has remarked, "bhajana nuisance." Catur-vidha bhajante mam sukrtino 'rjuna. These are the statements. But we are... We did not take any...
Dr. Patel: They are duracaris(?).
Prabhupada: Yes. But we should have taken some step against this, the "Why you have said like this?" But nobody has taken.
Dr. Patel: But we are going to take steps. Let that man come.
api cet suduracaro
bhajate mam ananya-bhak
sadhur eva sa mantavyah
samyag vyavasito hi sah
[Bg. 9.30]
Prabhupada: Yes. Here... The first thing is one must have rigid, staunch faith in Krsna. That is the qualification. Other things may be little deviation. It doesn't matter. The first thing is whether he is sticking to Krsna consciousness. Then he is sadhu.
Dr. Patel: Ananya-bhak.
Prabhupada: Ananya-bhak, yes. He has no other business.
Dr. Patel: Because he is samyag vyavasito, he is rightly doing.
ksipram bhavati dharmatma
sasvac-chantim nigacchati
kaunteya pratijanihi
na me bhaktah pranasyati
[Bg. 9.31]
Prabhupada: "Although there are some bad habits," kaunteya pratijanihi na me bhaktah, "because he is My devotee, he will not be lost. He will take to the right position."
Dr. Patel: I'll read this twice, and twice we are...
ksipram bhavati dharmatma
sasvac-chantim nigacchati
kaunteya pratijanihi
na me bhaktah pranasyati
Prabhupada: Yes.
Chandobhai: He has made a promise.
Prabhupada: Yes. Kaunteya pratijanihi. He has not promised. He says Arjuna, that "You declare this." Because sometimes for His devotee He breaks His promise. But because His devotee Arjuna will promise, it will be never frustrated. "Oh, My devotee has promised." Therefore He says, kaunteya pratijanihi, "You do this."
Dr. Patel:
mam hi partha vyapasritya
ye 'pi syuh papa-yonayah
striyo vaisyas tatha sudras
te 'pi yanti param gatim
[Bg. 9.32]
kim punar brahmanah punya
bhakta rajarsayas tatha
anityam asukham lokam
imam prapya bhajasva mam
[Bg. 9.33]
Prabhupada: This is the conclusion, bhajasva mam. Again bhajana.
Dr. Patel: The highest...
Prabhupada: Bhajasva mam. Again He's saying, bhajasva mam.
Dr. Patel: The highest comes now.
Prabhupada: That is the highest...
Dr. Patel: Highest comes now.
man-mana bhava mad-bhakto
mad-yaji mam namaskuru
mam evaisyasi yuktvaivam
atmanam mat-parayanah
[Bg. 9.34]
Prabhupada: You know, while commenting this verse, Dr. Radhakrishnan, "It is not to Krsna." Just see. After reading so much he said, "It is not to Krsna." Just see. Mudha. (laughs) There is a Bengali proverb, sat-khanda ramayana pade, sitera na baba.(?) After reading the seven khandas..."
Indian man: Yes, he's Bengali.
Prabhupada: Yes, that's all right. After reading the whole Ramayana he is asking, "Whose father is Sita?" Similarly, this Dr. Radhakrishnan, after reading the whole chapter, he is advising, "It is not to Krsna." Just see how much rascal he is. And he is passing on as a great scholar.
Dr. Patel: I will read this three times. Man-mana bhava-mad-bhakto. (goes on)
Prabhupada: This is the conclusion.
Dr. Patel: "When completely yourself are settled in Me, you have got to come to Me. You can't go anywhere else." Again I will read the last. Man-mana bhava mad-bhakto mad-yaji.
Prabhupada: Very simple thing. You always think of Krsna, man-mana, you become His devotee, man-mana bhava mad-bhakto, mad-yaji, worship Krsna, and namaskuru. Where is the cost? No expenditure. If you think of Krsna, if you worship Krsna, if you offer obeisances to Him... Therefore this Deity is there. For these purposes. Man-mana bhava mad-bhakto mad-yaji mam namaskuru [Bg. 18.65]. Simply by doing these four things, he is becoming liberated so much that he is going back to Godhead. That's all. [ ...movement is very scientific movement, based on the teachings of Bhagavad-gita. Most scientific. [break] We may be proud. Because this is scientific, therefore it is so quickly progressing. [break] ...take. This is mam cult. [break] ...so I was, that "I want to start this movement," I was talking. So he very much appreciated and he promised in writing that "As soon as I retire I shall join with you." He wrote me.
Dr. Patel: But then we have to tell him that "Come on, you are retiring. Join. And if you..."
Prabhupada: That I wrote also. He was silent.
Dr. Patel: Now, you just tell him if you are following me here, there is one Dr. Patel who will take you. [break]
Prabhupada: ...come for treatment. Why shall I? [break] Eight years old, older than me. So I am seventy-eight. Maybe eighty-six. Yes. He was also of the same age. Older than me.
Dr. Patel: You were all the time in Allahabad. You must be knowing them from very close part.
Prabhupada: No, he was my customer. I used to go to his home. And he was coming to my shop. Yes. He was my customer. When 1928 congress was there, I sent him one letter that "I want to become a delegate and go there." So immediately, "Yes, you come." So I went to Calcutta and I told his secretary that "Panditji has told me like this." "Yes, take this ticket." Yes. I became... So I was criticizing my friend because the delegate fee is one rupee and the reception committee fee at that time was twenty-five rupees. And still, they were in the last seat. And because at that time Motilal Nehru became president, the president, the province in which the president becomes, that provincial member occupies the first seat. So we occupied the first seat from Allahabad. So I...
Dr. Patel: Front seats.
Prabhupada: Front seat, yes. So I was criticizing my friends in Calcutta that you have paid twenty-five rupees, you have got last seat. I have paid one rupee, I have first seat. We were very thickly... Not very thickly, but as customer... Do you know? I shall tell one incident. One day Jawaharlal Nehru came and he asked me, "Give me prophylactic hair brush." So I told, "Panditji, we are selling prophylactic tube brush and we do not know that there is prophylactic hair brush." "No, you do not know. You get it for me. I want it." So I got it from Bombay, here, and supplied him.
Dr. Patel: There is no prophylactic hair brush anywhere.
Prabhupada: No, I got it, prophylactic hair brush.
Dr. Patel: Somebody writes on it, on the name "prophylactic."
Prabhupada: It may be whatever it may be. Now, just see that how much country conscious he was. He wants prophylactic brush. Not only that. I will tell you another incident. I was manufacturing one medicine, jagon(?) poultice. That is like anti-(?). So doctors were prescribing in Allahabad. So there was one big doctor, Dr. R.N. Banerjee Rai Baba. So sometimes I was seeing the doctors. So when I went there, "Oh, it is very difficult to prescribe country medicine." "Why?" "Oh, you will be surprised. I prescribed this jagon poultice in the Nehru family." He was physician. "And Motilal Nehru said, 'Oh, doctor, excuse me. In the matter of medicine, you don't prescribe country medicine.' " Just see. Believed in him.
Dr. Patel: Gandhiji was never asking anything, for medicine much.
Prabhupada: No, that is another thing. I know these people, this Nehru family. They were completely Europeanized. Outwardly for them... Even up to the last point of his life, if some European would come, he would immediately receive him. And if an Indian wants to see him, "Oh, it will be..." You will have to wait at least one. Everything London-made is very good. That was Jawaharlal Nehru's idea.
Indian: That was absolutely opposing the Sardar Patel. Anything he wrote to another white skin, "All right, let him be." Lenin, we see, after all. Lenin.
Prabhupada: That is also not good. But these people, they are svadesi, for country, but I know them very well.
Dr. Patel: No, he was right up to the end very conscious about this. Because of his Oxfordian education. I think he was in eternal hell, one of these things.(?) [break]
Prabhupada: England. He was educated in England, but who can become...
Dr. Patel: Absolutely. It was a miracle, the greatest miracle.
Prabhupada: Yes. He was... From very beginning of his birth, he is Englishman.
Dr. Patel: He was not allowed to speak Bengali by his parents.
Prabhupada: Just see. Because in those days... [break]
Dr. Patel: We are forgetting Sanskrit very quickly.
Prabhupada: No, no, those who are interested...
Dr. Patel: Now the schools, they don't teach as in our times. [break]
Prabhupada: As soon as the ksatriyas were negligent, immediately the brahmanas should take step. That was the system. [break] ...offer advice to the ksatriyas according to sastra, and ksatriyas would execute, and the vaisyas would care for supply. And the sudras, serving everyone. That's all. This is the system. [break] So he used to manufacture. To manufacture means sudra. (end)
pravaksyamy anasuyave
jnanam vijnana-sahitam
yaj jnatva moksyase 'subhat
Prabhupada: Yes, the first qualification is anasuyave.
Dr. Patel: Anasuyave, one who is not cajoling against God.
Prabhupada: No. One who is not envious. A person generally... All conditioned souls, they are envious of God, envious. "Why He should be God? I am God. I am God." So Arjuna is not like that person. Therefore he is speaking to Arjuna. He is devotee. In the Fourth Chapter also, He said bhakto 'si priyo 'si [Bg. 4.3]. Therefore Krsna does not expose Himself unless one is devotee. This is first qualification. So to understand Bhagavad-gita one must be a devotee. The so-called jnani, yogis, they cannot understand. It is not possible, because they are trying to become God. Although it is simply dream, they can never become, but they are envious, that "Why Krsna should be God? I have got so many gods." Anasuyave.
Dr. Patel: Raja-vidya raja-guhyam pavitram idam uttamam pratyaksa.
Prabhupada: Avagamam.
Dr. Patel: Avagamam dharmyam su-sukham kartum avyayam [Bg. 9.2].
Prabhupada: Yes. And the bhakti-yoga... This is bhakti-yoga. Therefore it is raja-vidya; means all kinds of learning, it is the king of...
Dr. Patel: King of all.
Prabhupada: So raja-vidya and raja-guhyam, most confident, very secret. It is not... And pavitram, uttamam.
Dr. Patel: Pratyaksa avagamam.
Prabhupada: And pratyaksa avagamam dharmyam. If you are jnani, karmi, yogi, you cannot immediately directly perceive whether actually you have got the thing, but bhakti-yoga is like that. Bhakti-yoga, if you perform, you will perceive that "Yes, I am in this stage. I am in this stage." That has been described by Rupa Gosvami. Just like when you are hungry and you are eating something, you can understand... (aside:) Don't come very near. You can understand that how much satisfaction you have got by eating. You haven't got to ask anybody, "Whether I am eating?" You can understand. The bhakti-yoga is so nice thing that if you execute it, you will understand your position. And it is su-sukham. To execute bhakti-yoga, there is no difficulty. It is always happy. Just like our program. Program is chant, dance, take prasadam. And if you take yoga system, jnana system, first of all you have to become a very great learned scholar, and then yoga system, you have to practice so many asanas, press your nose, and so many things. But here everything is very happy: chant, chant Hare Krsna mantra, dance and then take prasadam, and you understand where you are. This is the su-sukham. And avyayam. Avyayam means whatever little bhakti-yoga you have advanced, that is permanent.
Dr. Patel:
asraddadhanah purusa
dharmasyasya parantapa
aprapya mam nivartante
mrtyu-samsara-vartmani
[Bg. 9.3]
Prabhupada: Ah. "And those who have no faith in bhakti-yoga, they do not get me. They simply labor." That's all. Srama eva hi kevalam [SB 1.2.8]. They are wasting time. That's all. As soon as we say, the time wasters, they become angry, "Oh, why you are saying? Don't criticize others." But if we say... (Hindi:) Satya bole ta mare latha (laughter) suta jagalda.(?) If you bluff, "Oh, you are doing very nice, you are doing very nice," oh, he will be very pleased. And if I say that "You rascal, you are doing all, simply wasting your time," he will not be... Murkhayopadeso hi prakopaya.
Dr. Patel:
maya tatam idam sarvam
jagad avyakta-murtina
mat-sthani sarva-bhutani
na caham tesv avasthitah
[Bg. 9.4]
Prabhupada: Yes, yes.
Dr. Patel:
na mat sthani bhutani
pasya me yogam aisvaram
bhuta-bhrn na ca bhuta-stho
mamatma bhuta-bhavanah
Prabhupada: Yes. So this is His inconceivable potency. Everything is resting on Him. Without Him, there is nothing. Nothing can exist. Still... The same argument comes again, that because the dog or the anything is resting on me, it does not mean I am dog. Daridra, he is resting on me, that does not mean I am daridra. Yes. This is the... This is wrong conception, misleading people. This kind of coined word, simply misleading people.
Dr. Patel: Na ca mat-sthani bhutani.
Prabhupada: Yes. I have nothing to do with daridra. He is suffering of his own karma.
Dr. Patel: But here a little difficulty for me. Here on the first line He says, mat-sthani sarva-bhutani [Bg. 9.4]. Second line He says, na ca mat-sthani bhutani pasya me yogam aisvaram.
Prabhupada: Yes, yes. Therefore, na ca mat-sthani: "Although I am there, I am not there." That is inconceivable, simultaneously not also, just to warn these people that although Narayana is within the daridra or the dog, that does not mean I am dog or I am daridra.
Dr. Patel: Bhuta-bhrn na ca bhuta-stho mamatma bhuta-bhavanah.
Prabhupada: Bhuta-stha bhuta-bhavanah: "Everything is coming from Me. I am also within that, but still..." It is called acintya-bhedabheda. "I am there; I am not there."
Dr. Patel: Yathakasa-sthito nityam vayuh sarvatra-go mahan.
Prabhupada: Ah, this is the example.
Dr. Patel: Tatha sarvani bhutani mat-sthanity upadharaya.
Prabhupada: Yes. Just like this cloud. The cloud we say, "In the sky." The cloud is not in the sky. It is on the air. They mistake this, that "Narayana is there." Narayana is not there. Narayana is separate. That is their foolishness.
Dr. Patel:
sarva-bhutani kaunteya
prakrtim yanti mamikam
kalpa-ksaye punas tani
kalpadau visrjamy aham
Prabhupada: Yes. Because everything is coming from Him. Yato va imani bhutani jayante. Again they are given a chance to prosecute the result of his karma. And there is chance also to become a devotee. Therefore Krsna by His confidential servant, He preaches, "Take to this." But if they do not take, then again kalpa-ksaye, again enters.
Dr. Patel: Kalpadau visrjamy aham.
Prabhupada: And again there is kalpa. Again they come out. In this way they do not become liberated. Just like the child, those who are being, what is called, contraceptive method, abortion. These are very sinful. Because they have done killing, so they enter into the mother's womb and they are again killed, and again enter into the mother's womb, and again killed. He does not see the light. Similarly, those who are sinful, they are given chance in material manifestation, "Now work for Krsna consciousness." But they do not do that. Again enters, again come out. Bhutva bhutva praliyate [Bg. 8.19]. This is going on. How much they are wasting their time, not taking to Krsna consciousness.
Dr. Patel:
prakrtim svam avastabhya
visrjami punah punah
bhuta-gramam imam krtsnam
avasam prakrter vasat
Prabhupada: Now visrjami. The Gods, He creates. Here they comes. The rascals, they do not believe it, that "There is no creator." The Jains, they do not believe it, that creator has done it. "It has come automatically." Buddhist philosophy is like that, that "Everything is coming by combination..."
Dr. Patel: Prakrti and purusa.
Prabhupada: Yes. This is wrong theory. Actually, He says visrjami, aham visrjami: "I do."
Dr. Patel: Prakrtim svam avastabhya: "Controlling my prakrti."
Prabhupada: Avastabhya, now entering.
Dr. Patel: "Entering into My prakrti, I am srjami, punah punah."
Prabhupada: Yes, yes. He is outside; He is inside.
Indian: And then leave it in the control of the prakrti, prakrter vasat, avasam prakrter vasat. Bhuta-gramam imam krtsnam avasam prakrter vasat.
Prabhupada: Bhuta-gramam, not He.
Dr. Patel: Bhuta-gramam, is due to the prakrti, after creating the bhutas.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Patel:
na ca mam tani karmani
nibadhnanti dhananjaya
udasina-vad asinam
asaktam tesu karmasu
Prabhupada: Yes. The same thing, that just like a judge orders, "This man should be hanged," but the judge is not affected by such thing. He's not affected. Just like you surgical, you are going on surgical operation. You are not affected. The man is crying, "Oh, here, doctor, you are killing me, killing me, killing me." But the killing or not killing, doctor Saheb is not in con-(indistinct).
Dr. Patel:
mayadhyaksena prakrtih
suyate sa-caracaram
hetunanena kaunteya
jagad viparivartate
[Bg. 9.10]
Prabhupada: Yes. This is the... These rascal atheist class, they think that prakrti is creating. Prakrti is creating, that the ocean is created by prakrti. But why the ocean does not come here? Fifty, sixty yards? Because there is order that "You cannot come here." This big ocean, immediately, in one minute, it can swallow up whole Bombay. Therefore it is controlled. It is controlled by the Supreme. Mayadhyaksena.
Dr. Patel:
mayadhyaksena prakrtih
suyate sa-caracaram
hetunanena kaunteya
jagad viparivartate
[Bg. 9.10]
Prabhupada: The whole worldly affairs is going on... The godless atheists, they cannot understand it, that behind this prakrti, the wonderful prakrti, so many things happening... It is not happening independently.
Dr. Patel: By the order of God.
Prabhupada: Yes. Mayadhyaksena: "Under My control."
Dr. Patel:
avajananti mam mudha
manusim tanum asritam
param bhavam ajananto
mama bhuta-mahesvaram
[Bg. 9.11]
Prabhupada: Now, these mudhas, they will think, "Huh? It is controlled by Krsna? He is ordinary man like this." A mudha. Param bhavam ajananto. He does not know how much powerful is Krsna, the mudha.
Dr. Patel: But you see, this is not like this, that those fools... [break]
Prabhupada: That is also another mudha, but supposing if Krsna says that "I am controlling the whole universe." The mudha will not believe it. "Huh? How is that? How...? Such a big gigantic prakrti, and He is a person. He can control?" The mudha cannot understand. He cannot understand that how much powerful is Krsna.
Dr. Patel: Param bhavam ajanantah.
Prabhupada: Param bhavam ajanantah. They do not know what is the all-omniscient nature of Krsna.
Dr. Patel: The spiritual power of Krsna. No. Param bhava? Moghasa mogha-karmano mogha-jnana vicetasah [Bg. 9.12].
Prabhupada: Therefore, as soon as these rascals, they get little power, yogic perfection, they think, "I have become God. I have become God."
Dr. Patel: Mogha-jnana vicetasah. (laughing)
Prabhupada: Yes. Rascal, he thinks that because "I can make like this, little gold, therefore I have become God." The rascal does not think that "I am making, say, two grains or five grains of gold, but one who has made gold mines, millions, so he will be God or I will be God?" The rascal does not think that. And other rascals follow, "Oh, here is God. Here is God. He is creating gold." You see? Therefore mudha.
Dr. Patel: Moghasa mogha-karmano mogha-jnana vicetasah [Bg. 9.12].
Prabhupada: Ah, moghasa. They are thinking that "I will become like this, I will become like this." Karmis are thinking like this, jnanis are thinking like this. Yogis are... But they are all false, mudhas. Moghasa. Their hope will be frustrated. Moghasa. Moghasa mogha-karmano [Bg. 9.12]. Mogha means frustration. Moghasa mogha-karmano [Bg. 9.12].
Dr. Patel: Raksasim asurim caiva prakrtim mohinim sritah.
Prabhupada: Yes. Mohinim. They are that avisuddha-buddhayah. Aruhya krcchrena param padam tatah patanty adhah anadhrta-yusmad-anghrayah [SB 10.2.32]. They are all impure. Their intelligence is not purified.
Dr. Patel: Mahatmanas tu mam partha daivim prakrtim asritah [Bg. 9.13].
Prabhupada: Ah. Now... Now here come in the... These people are moghasa, moghasa. Their all hopes will be frustrated. But another class, mahatma. Mahatmanas tu mam partha [Bg. 9.13]. They take shelter of the spiritual energy. Daivim prakrtim asritah. Because they, the symptom is bhajanty ananya manasah, "Hare Krsna." They are not captivated by the so-called jnanis, yogis, karmis, no. Simply chant Hare Krsna.
Dr. Patel: Satatam kirtayanto mam yatantas ca drdha-vratah [Bg. 9.14].
Prabhupada: Yes. Again explained. Satatam kirtayanto. That is their only business.
Dr. Patel: Namasyantas ca mam bhaktya nitya-yukta upasate.
Prabhupada: Yes. That is being done in every ISKCON center. Satatam kirtayanto, chanting always Krsna, namasyantas, offering obeisances. Everything in Krsna. This is mahatma.
Dr. Patel: Yes.
jnana-yajnena capy anye
yajanto mam upasate
ekatvena prthaktvena
bahudha visvato-mukham
[Bg. 9.15]
Here difficulty.
Prabhupada: Yes. Difficult... The jnana-yoga... Indirectly. They are bhajante mam, but in a different way. And the mahatmas, those who are bhaktas, they are directly in the way. And they are indirectly, in this way.
Dr. Patel: Ekatvena prthaktvena bahudha visvato-mukham.
Prabhupada: Ah. Ekatvena: "Now, I am, I am God."
Dr. Patel: Prthaktvena. Bahudha visvato-mukham.
Prabhupada: Pantheism, pantheism, bahudha. Bahudha means God has become pantheism.
Dr. Patel:
aham kratur aham yajnah
svadhaham aham ausadham
mantro 'ham aham evajyam
aham agir aham hutam
[Bg. 9.16]
Prabhupada: Yes. "Everything is I. Everything is I." Because it is His energy, therefore He is. Sakti-saktimator abhedah. The energy and the energetic, they are identical.
Dr. Patel:
pitaham asya jagato
mata dhata pitamahah
vedyam pavitram omkara
rk sama yajur eva ca
[Bg. 9.17]
Prabhupada: Yes. "Everything, these Vedas, that I am." Vedais caham, aham eva vedyah. So these... There are rascals. They claim that "We are Vedic student. We don't believe in Krsna. We don't believe in Bhagavad-gita." You know this rascal society?
Dr. Patel:
gatir bharta prabhuh saksi
nivasah saranam suhrt
prabhavah pralayah sthanam
nidhanam bijam avyayam
[Bg. 9.18]
"Everything is I. I am death as well as I am life."
Prabhupada: Yes, yes.
Dr. Patel:
tapamy aham aham varsam
nigrhnamy utsrjami ca
amrtam caiva mrtyus ca
sad asac caham arjuna
[Bg. 9.19]
He is sat and asat both.
Prabhupada: Cause and effect.
Dr. Patel: Cause and effect. Now comes about the brahmana class who are making the yajnas.
trai-vidya mam soma-pah puta-papa
yajnair istva svar-gatim prarthayante
te punyam asadya surendra-lokam
asnanti divyan divi deva-bhogan
[Bg. 9.20]
Prabhupada: Yes. Svar-gatim, those who are desiring to go to the Svarga-loka, heavenly planet, they go. They go...
Dr. Patel: And come back.
Prabhupada: ...but again come back.
Dr. Patel:
Te tam bhuktva svarga-lokam visalam
ksine punye martya-lokam visanti
[Bg. 9.21]
Prabhupada: Yes. But those who are devotees, they do not come back.
Dr. Patel:
Evam trayi-dharmam anuprapanna
gatagatam kama-kama labhante
[Bg. 9.21]
Prabhupada: This is trayi-dharma, Vedic process.
Dr. Patel:
ananyas cintayanto mam
ye janah paryupasate
tesam nityabhiyuktanam
yoga-ksemam vahamy aham
[Bg. 9.22]
Prabhupada: The devotees, they do not care for anybody. Simply depending on Krsna. Therefore whatever necessities they require, Krsna will supply.
Dr. Patel: Ye 'py anya-devata-bhakta yajante sraddhayanvitah. (Hindi) Te 'pi mam eva kaunteya yajanty avidhi-purvakam [Bg. 9.23]. Aham hi sarva-yajnanam bhokta ca prabhur eva ca, na tu mam abhijananti tattva...[Bg. 9.24].
Prabhupada: Yes. He is performing yajna. Just like the yajnic brahmana in Vrndavana. Krsna went there and asked for some food. "Heh!"
Dr. Patel: They did not give.
Prabhupada: They did not give.
Dr. Patel: Their wives gave.
Prabhupada: All yajnic brahmanas, like that. There are so many fools like that. They are thinking that "I am, we are doing yajnas, I am doing this, I am doing that. What is this Krsna? The Krsna devotees are less intelligent. They are chanting Hare Krsna."
Dr. Patel:
aham hi sarva-yajnanam
bhokta ca prabhur eva ca
na tu mam abhijananti
tattvenatas cyavanti te
[Bg. 9.24]
Because they fall from the truth.
Prabhupada: Yes. Because these people do not understand Krsna tattvatah, therefore they fall down.
Dr. Patel:
yanti deva-vrata devan
pitrn yanti pitr-vratah
bhutani yanti bhutejya
yanti mad-yajino 'pi mam
[Bg. 9.25]
Prabhupada: Ah, yes. "Now, the devayajas, they can go to the heavenly planet. Pitrs and sraddha performer, they go Pitrloka. Bhutejya. Those who are worshiping this material world, they remain here. But if one worships Me, he comes to Me."
Dr. Patel: Come to Me in Goloka Vrndavana.
Prabhupada: Yes. Everything is open, but an intelligent person will think that "Why shall I go to Svarga-loka? Why shall I remain here? Why shall I go to Pitrloka? Let me go direct to Krsna." Yad gatva na nivartante tad dhama paramam mama [Bg. 15.6]. That is intelligent, to become Krsna conscious, to take to Krsna wholeheartedly. That is real intelligence. Otherwise mudha, whatever he may be.
Dr. Patel: Patram puspam phalam toyam yo me bhaktya prayacchati [Bg. 9.26].
Prabhupada: Ah. And to satisfy Krsna, it does not require any expensive material. If you have nothing to offer, you can offer patram puspam phalam. He will be satisfied. And performing this yajna and other, oh, you have got to collect so much ghee, so much grain, so much mantras, so many learned brahmanas and this and that. You have nothing to do. Anywhere, any part of the world, universal. Any man, poor man, rich man, can offer Krsna whatever He has got. Krsna is satisfied.
Dr. Patel: Tad aham bhakty-upahrtam.
Prabhupada: Ah. Bhaktya-upahrtam asnami prayatatmanah. Yes. "Because he has offered Me with faith and devotion and love, I accept it." So when Krsna eats something from your hand, then what remains? You gain perfection. All perfection is there. If Krsna is accepting something from your hand, "Yes, I will eat it." Then?
Dr. Patel:
yat karosi yad asnasi
yajjuhosi dadasi yat
yat tapasyasi kaunteya
tat kurusva mad-arpanam
[Bg. 9.27]
Prabhupada: Kurusva tad mad-arpanam. Therefore this is bhakti-yoga. Whatever you do, the result you give to Krsna.
Dr. Patel: Whatever you do for Him and forget about it.
Prabhupada: Yes. Unless you do for Him, how you can give Him? Because you are thinking that "I am doing for me," therefore you do not give to Krsna. You keep it in your pocket.
Dr. Patel: Subhasubha-phalair evam moksyase karma-bandhanaih [Bg. 9.28]. Ah, yat tapasyasi kaunteya tad kurusva mad-arpanam [Bg. 9.27].
Prabhupada: Yes. Tapasi, tapasya. There are many, they are very much addicted to tapasya, suska tapasya. Suska tapasya. There are many stages. Unnecessarily starving, fasting, unnecessarily.
Dr. Patel: Karsanti mam.
Prabhupada: Ah. Yes. This is going on. Why? Take Krsna prasadam, be happy, chant Hare Krsna mantra and dance. Susukham kartum avyayam [Bg. 9.2]. Everything very nice to perform and very progressive, immediately.
Dr. Patel:
subhasubha-phalair evam
moksyase karma-bandhanaih
sannyasa-yoga-yuktatma
vimukto mam upaisyasi
[Bg. 9.28]
Prabhupada: Yes. Sannyasa-yoga means sa sannyasi, the one who acts for Krsna, sa sannyasi.
Dr. Patel: Sannyasa-yoga-yuktatma. Means you have actually, I mean, sannyasa means nyasa of all attachment for the...
Prabhupada: Nyasa means giving up, giving up. Sat nyasa, sannyasa. Om tat sat. Sat is Krsna. Therefore when you sacrifice everything for Krsna, that is real sannyasa, not this dress. This dress is symbolical. That's all. Real thing is karyam karma karoti ya. Karyam. "Oh, it is my... Krsna wants, everyone should surrender unto Him. Then I shall teach everyone to surrender to Krsna." Karyam. "This is my business." Karyam karma karoti, sa sannyasi. What is that karyam? Karyam means this is karyam.
Chandobhai: Yajna dana tapa.
Prabhupada: Yes. Krsna says, sarva-dharman parityajya [Bg. 18.66]. You'll take a practical... My Guru Maharaja gave me hint that book publication is more pleasing to me than Matha-mandira. So I took it and I began to publish books and that has come successful. Karyam karma. I took it, "Oh, Guru Maharaja wants that books should be published. So let me concentrate on this instead of..." My creating so many centers, big, big temples, that is not my primary duty. My primary duty is to write books. Therefore I am going on still. These are coming automatically. Maybe this is the secret of my success.
Dr. Patel: Sannyasa-yoga-yuktatma vimukto mam upaisyasi.
Prabhupada: Ah, karyam, that one should take the order of the guru, because guru is the representative of Krsna. So when one takes... That is explained by Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura in connection with the verse:
vyavasayatmika buddhir
ekeha kuru-nandana
bahu-sakha hy anantas ca
buddhayo 'vyavasayinam
[Bg. 2.41]
So the vyavasayis, those who are fixed up in the words of guru, "So guru has ordered me to do it. Oh, that is my life. I do not know whether I will be promoted to heaven or hell. It doesn't matter. I shall execute..."
Dr. Patel: Execute the order of the guru.
Prabhupada: Guru. Yes. Very easy. That is the secret. Yasya deve para bhaktir tatha deve yatha gurau [SU 6.23]. Then he is sure to be successful. This is the secret.
Dr. Patel:
samo 'ham sarva-bhutesu
na me dvesyo 'sti na priyah
ye bhajanti tu mam bhakt ya
mayi te tesu capy aham
[Bg. 9.29]
Prabhupada: Just see. They bhajanti, and these rascals has announced, "This bhajana is nuisance." Just see. This is Kali-yuga, and this is our Indian government. Ye bhajanti mam tesam. He is always associating with God. "I am always with him," ye bhajanti, and this rascal has remarked, "bhajana nuisance." Catur-vidha bhajante mam sukrtino 'rjuna. These are the statements. But we are... We did not take any...
Dr. Patel: They are duracaris(?).
Prabhupada: Yes. But we should have taken some step against this, the "Why you have said like this?" But nobody has taken.
Dr. Patel: But we are going to take steps. Let that man come.
api cet suduracaro
bhajate mam ananya-bhak
sadhur eva sa mantavyah
samyag vyavasito hi sah
[Bg. 9.30]
Prabhupada: Yes. Here... The first thing is one must have rigid, staunch faith in Krsna. That is the qualification. Other things may be little deviation. It doesn't matter. The first thing is whether he is sticking to Krsna consciousness. Then he is sadhu.
Dr. Patel: Ananya-bhak.
Prabhupada: Ananya-bhak, yes. He has no other business.
Dr. Patel: Because he is samyag vyavasito, he is rightly doing.
ksipram bhavati dharmatma
sasvac-chantim nigacchati
kaunteya pratijanihi
na me bhaktah pranasyati
[Bg. 9.31]
Prabhupada: "Although there are some bad habits," kaunteya pratijanihi na me bhaktah, "because he is My devotee, he will not be lost. He will take to the right position."
Dr. Patel: I'll read this twice, and twice we are...
ksipram bhavati dharmatma
sasvac-chantim nigacchati
kaunteya pratijanihi
na me bhaktah pranasyati
Prabhupada: Yes.
Chandobhai: He has made a promise.
Prabhupada: Yes. Kaunteya pratijanihi. He has not promised. He says Arjuna, that "You declare this." Because sometimes for His devotee He breaks His promise. But because His devotee Arjuna will promise, it will be never frustrated. "Oh, My devotee has promised." Therefore He says, kaunteya pratijanihi, "You do this."
Dr. Patel:
mam hi partha vyapasritya
ye 'pi syuh papa-yonayah
striyo vaisyas tatha sudras
te 'pi yanti param gatim
[Bg. 9.32]
kim punar brahmanah punya
bhakta rajarsayas tatha
anityam asukham lokam
imam prapya bhajasva mam
[Bg. 9.33]
Prabhupada: This is the conclusion, bhajasva mam. Again bhajana.
Dr. Patel: The highest...
Prabhupada: Bhajasva mam. Again He's saying, bhajasva mam.
Dr. Patel: The highest comes now.
Prabhupada: That is the highest...
Dr. Patel: Highest comes now.
man-mana bhava mad-bhakto
mad-yaji mam namaskuru
mam evaisyasi yuktvaivam
atmanam mat-parayanah
[Bg. 9.34]
Prabhupada: You know, while commenting this verse, Dr. Radhakrishnan, "It is not to Krsna." Just see. After reading so much he said, "It is not to Krsna." Just see. Mudha. (laughs) There is a Bengali proverb, sat-khanda ramayana pade, sitera na baba.(?) After reading the seven khandas..."
Indian man: Yes, he's Bengali.
Prabhupada: Yes, that's all right. After reading the whole Ramayana he is asking, "Whose father is Sita?" Similarly, this Dr. Radhakrishnan, after reading the whole chapter, he is advising, "It is not to Krsna." Just see how much rascal he is. And he is passing on as a great scholar.
Dr. Patel: I will read this three times. Man-mana bhava-mad-bhakto. (goes on)
Prabhupada: This is the conclusion.
Dr. Patel: "When completely yourself are settled in Me, you have got to come to Me. You can't go anywhere else." Again I will read the last. Man-mana bhava mad-bhakto mad-yaji.
Prabhupada: Very simple thing. You always think of Krsna, man-mana, you become His devotee, man-mana bhava mad-bhakto, mad-yaji, worship Krsna, and namaskuru. Where is the cost? No expenditure. If you think of Krsna, if you worship Krsna, if you offer obeisances to Him... Therefore this Deity is there. For these purposes. Man-mana bhava mad-bhakto mad-yaji mam namaskuru [Bg. 18.65]. Simply by doing these four things, he is becoming liberated so much that he is going back to Godhead. That's all. [ ...movement is very scientific movement, based on the teachings of Bhagavad-gita. Most scientific. [break] We may be proud. Because this is scientific, therefore it is so quickly progressing. [break] ...take. This is mam cult. [break] ...so I was, that "I want to start this movement," I was talking. So he very much appreciated and he promised in writing that "As soon as I retire I shall join with you." He wrote me.
Dr. Patel: But then we have to tell him that "Come on, you are retiring. Join. And if you..."
Prabhupada: That I wrote also. He was silent.
Dr. Patel: Now, you just tell him if you are following me here, there is one Dr. Patel who will take you. [break]
Prabhupada: ...come for treatment. Why shall I? [break] Eight years old, older than me. So I am seventy-eight. Maybe eighty-six. Yes. He was also of the same age. Older than me.
Dr. Patel: You were all the time in Allahabad. You must be knowing them from very close part.
Prabhupada: No, he was my customer. I used to go to his home. And he was coming to my shop. Yes. He was my customer. When 1928 congress was there, I sent him one letter that "I want to become a delegate and go there." So immediately, "Yes, you come." So I went to Calcutta and I told his secretary that "Panditji has told me like this." "Yes, take this ticket." Yes. I became... So I was criticizing my friend because the delegate fee is one rupee and the reception committee fee at that time was twenty-five rupees. And still, they were in the last seat. And because at that time Motilal Nehru became president, the president, the province in which the president becomes, that provincial member occupies the first seat. So we occupied the first seat from Allahabad. So I...
Dr. Patel: Front seats.
Prabhupada: Front seat, yes. So I was criticizing my friends in Calcutta that you have paid twenty-five rupees, you have got last seat. I have paid one rupee, I have first seat. We were very thickly... Not very thickly, but as customer... Do you know? I shall tell one incident. One day Jawaharlal Nehru came and he asked me, "Give me prophylactic hair brush." So I told, "Panditji, we are selling prophylactic tube brush and we do not know that there is prophylactic hair brush." "No, you do not know. You get it for me. I want it." So I got it from Bombay, here, and supplied him.
Dr. Patel: There is no prophylactic hair brush anywhere.
Prabhupada: No, I got it, prophylactic hair brush.
Dr. Patel: Somebody writes on it, on the name "prophylactic."
Prabhupada: It may be whatever it may be. Now, just see that how much country conscious he was. He wants prophylactic brush. Not only that. I will tell you another incident. I was manufacturing one medicine, jagon(?) poultice. That is like anti-(?). So doctors were prescribing in Allahabad. So there was one big doctor, Dr. R.N. Banerjee Rai Baba. So sometimes I was seeing the doctors. So when I went there, "Oh, it is very difficult to prescribe country medicine." "Why?" "Oh, you will be surprised. I prescribed this jagon poultice in the Nehru family." He was physician. "And Motilal Nehru said, 'Oh, doctor, excuse me. In the matter of medicine, you don't prescribe country medicine.' " Just see. Believed in him.
Dr. Patel: Gandhiji was never asking anything, for medicine much.
Prabhupada: No, that is another thing. I know these people, this Nehru family. They were completely Europeanized. Outwardly for them... Even up to the last point of his life, if some European would come, he would immediately receive him. And if an Indian wants to see him, "Oh, it will be..." You will have to wait at least one. Everything London-made is very good. That was Jawaharlal Nehru's idea.
Indian: That was absolutely opposing the Sardar Patel. Anything he wrote to another white skin, "All right, let him be." Lenin, we see, after all. Lenin.
Prabhupada: That is also not good. But these people, they are svadesi, for country, but I know them very well.
Dr. Patel: No, he was right up to the end very conscious about this. Because of his Oxfordian education. I think he was in eternal hell, one of these things.(?) [break]
Prabhupada: England. He was educated in England, but who can become...
Dr. Patel: Absolutely. It was a miracle, the greatest miracle.
Prabhupada: Yes. He was... From very beginning of his birth, he is Englishman.
Dr. Patel: He was not allowed to speak Bengali by his parents.
Prabhupada: Just see. Because in those days... [break]
Dr. Patel: We are forgetting Sanskrit very quickly.
Prabhupada: No, no, those who are interested...
Dr. Patel: Now the schools, they don't teach as in our times. [break]
Prabhupada: As soon as the ksatriyas were negligent, immediately the brahmanas should take step. That was the system. [break] ...offer advice to the ksatriyas according to sastra, and ksatriyas would execute, and the vaisyas would care for supply. And the sudras, serving everyone. That's all. This is the system. [break] So he used to manufacture. To manufacture means sudra. (end)
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Morning Walk -- April 2, 1974, Bombay
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