Prabhupada: With determination.
Otherwise, satatam kirtayanto mam [Bg. 9.14]. Satatam means twenty-four hours.
Caitanya Mahaprabhu says, kirtaniyah sada harih [Cc. Adi 17.31]. Harer nama
harer nama harer nama eva kevalam [Cc. Adi 17.21]. But that we cannot do.
Therefore to keep drdha-vrata, we have fixed up a certain quantity. Chant that.
Sankhya-purvaka-nama-gana-
Guest (5): (Bengali)
Prabhupada: Yes. Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna-twenty-four hours. Japa-tapa. Tapasya. Tapo divyam putraka yena suddhyed sattvam [SB 5.5.1]. Japa means tapa, tapasya. And that is drdha-vrata. Tapasa brahmacaryena [SB 6.1.13]. Tapasya begins with brahmacarya. There is no tapasya, there is no brahmacarya, there is no drdha-vrata, there is no understanding, and they are becoming guru. Just see these Europeans, Americans. Their life beginning was meat-eating. And they have given up everything. This is tapasya. And we shall eat everything, do everything... Yato mata tato patha. "Whatever I like, I do, and still a devotee." What is this nonsense? Jaya.
Guest (6): Visvasa first, faith strong.
Prabhupada: No, where is faith if we do not execute tapasya? Where is faith? Visvasa sudrdha niscaya. That is visvasa, the same thing. This is visvasa: "Krsna said this; I shall do." This is visvasa. And if you do not do anything, what Krsna says, where is visvasa? There is no visvasa. Krsna says, satatam kirtayanto mam: [Bg. 9.14] "Anyone who is chanting Me, Hare Krsna..." So Krsna says; I must do it. That is visvasa. If you do not do that, where is visvasa? What do you mean by visvasa? Visvasa means sudrdha niscaya. "Yes, Krsna has said. I shall do." That is visvasa. If you have no faith in the words of Krsna, where is your visvasa? What do you mean by visvasa? Hm?
Guest (6): Bhagavan's servant.
Prabhupada: Bhagavan is your servant. Whatever you like, you can do, and He'll serve you. You'll not serve Him. He will serve you. Is that visvasa? "Whatever nonsense I do, Krsna will support." Is that visvasa? Visvasa means "What Krsna says, I shall do." That is visvasa. That has been impressed at the modern age, that "Whatever I do, Krsna will accept it." Is it not? Do you mean visvasa means this, that "Whatever nonsense you do, Krsna will accept"? Do you mean visvasa means this? Then what is visvasa? Explain. "Whatever Krsna says, I will do," that is visvasa. Or "Whatever nonsense I do, Krsna will favor"? Which one visvasa? What do you mean...? Huh?
Guest (6): There is one pervading Supreme Soul.
Prabhupada: What is that pervading? What do you mean by that? Plain explain. What do you mean by visvasa? Explain.
Guest (6): Faith in God.
Prabhupada: Faith in God. Then hear what God says. That is... I am speaking that "What Krsna says, you do it." That is visvasa. And if you do otherwise, where is visvasa? Hm? Visvasa means... I say, "Mr. such and such, do this." If you have faith in me, you will do this. That is visvasa. And if you do otherwise, where is your visvasa? You have no faith in me. Now people have degraded so much that they think, "This is visvasa. Anything I accept as God is God." This visvasa is going on. "Any nonsen... [break] ...pravartate, iti matva bhajante mam budha bhava-samanvitah [Bg. 10.8]. Is it not? So if you take this, that Krsna is the beginning of everything -- iti matva -- by understanding this, if anyone engages himself in krsna-bhakti, bhajante mam, that is bhakti. Budha bhava-samanvitah. He has come immediately to the bhava stage. Means he's budhah. He is actual... He has actually understood the thing. So that is visvasa. In Caitanya-caritamrta it is said visvasa... Sraddha-sabde visvasa kahe sudrdha niscaya, krsne bhakti kaile sarva-karma krta haya [Cc. Madhya 22.62]. Krsne bhakti kaile sarva-karma krta haya. This is visvasa. Krsna says, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja [Bg. 18.66]. I am thinking, "I have got so many other things. Simply why shall I surrender?" That is not visvasa. Visvasa means "Krsna says, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam [Bg. 18.66]. I'll accept." Krsne bhakti kaile sarva-karma krta. That is visvasa. Sudrdha niscaya. Sraddha-sabde visvasa kahe sudrdha niscaya, krsne bhakti kaile sarva-karma krta haya. That is visvasa. That visvasa wanted, not that I manufacture something. It is useless. Moghasa mogha-karmano mogha-jnana vicetasah [Bg. 9.12]. That is hopeless. What Krsna says, if you believe firmly, then it is visvasa. Drdha-vrata. And execute, determination. Then you get the result. Sa mahatma sudurlabhah. Such mahatma is very rare. And nowadays mahatma means one who does not know anything about Krsna, speaks all nonsense. He is mahatma. "Because we stamp somebody, mahatma, therefore he is mahatma." Find out this verse, mahatmanas tu mam partha daivim prakrtim [Bg. 9.13].
Satsvarupa:
mahatmanas tu mam partha
daivim prakrtim asritah
bhajanty ananya-manaso
jnatva bhutadim avyayam
[Bg. 9.13]
"O son of Prtha, those who are not deluded, the great souls, are under the protection of the divine nature. They are fully engaged in devotional service because they know Me as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, original and inexhaustible."
Prabhupada: This is mahatma. Is there any purport?
Satsvarupa: Yes. "In this verse the description of mahatma is clearly given. The first sign of the mahatma is that he is already situated in the divine nature. He is not under the control of material nature. And how is this effected? That is explained in the Seventh Chapter. One who surrenders unto the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Sri Krsna, at once becomes freed from the control of material nature. That is the qualification."
Prabhupada: Mam eva ye prapadyante mayam etam taranti.
Satsvarupa: "One can become free from the control of material nature as soon as he surrenders his soul to the Supreme Personality of Godhead. That is the preliminary formula. Being marginal potency, as soon as the living entity is freed from the control of material nature, he is put under the guidance of the spiritual nature. The guidance of the spiritual nature is called daivim prakrtim, divine nature. So when one is promoted in that way by surrendering to the Supreme Personality of Godhead, one attains to the stage of a great soul, mahatma. The mahatma does not divert his attention to anything outside Krsna because he knows perfectly well that Krsna is the original Supreme Person, the cause of all causes. There is no doubt about it. Such a mahatma or great soul develops through association with other mahatmas, pure devotees. Pure devotees are not even attracted by Krsna's other features, such as the four-armed Maha-Visnu. They are simply attracted by the two-armed form of Krsna. Since they are not attracted to other features of Krsna, what to speak of the demigods, they are not concerned with any form of a demigod or of a human being. They only meditate upon Krsna in Krsna consciousness. They are always engaged in the unswerving service of the Lord in Krsna consciousness."
Prabhupada: Sa mahatma sudurlabhah. That is the... What do you think? What is your definition of mahatma?
Guest (1): Gita said, vasudevah sarvam iti sa mahatma sudurlabhah [Bg. 7.19].
Prabhupada: Yes. Gita says, but what you say? Recently I went to Wardha, Mahatma Gandhi's asrama. Nobody is there. And they are worshiping Mahatma's lantern, and Mahatma's cadara. Not a single picture of Krsna. (chuckles) There is not a single picture of Krsna. And here it is said, bhajate mam ananya-bhak. This is going on. So read Bhagavad-gita As It Is. Learn. Everything is there. Make your life successful. That is our proposal. Come here. We have developed this center in good quarter. Discuss Bhagavad-gita and try to do what Krsna says. Make your life perfect. (Hindi) We are misguided. Misguided... (Hindi) Everything is there in the Bhagavad-gita: "This mahatma; this is God; this is function; this you have to do." Do it. Man-mana bhava mad-bhakto mad-yaji mam namaskuru [Bg. 18.65]. Four things anyone can do. A child can do.
yoginam api sarvesam
mad-gatenantar-atmana
sraddhavan bhajate yo mam
sa me yuktatamo matah
[Bg. 6.47]
First-class yogi -- one who is thinking of Krsna. (Hindi) There is no difficulty. Take Bhagavan prasada; chant Bhagavan's name; read Bhagavad-gita; try to understand. Very easy. What is the difficulty? Is there any difficulty? Hm? Do you think is there any difficulty? [break] ...Hindi.
Guest (7): (Hindi)
Prabhupada: (Hindi) ...asat-sanga-tyaga ei vaisnava-acara [Cc. Madhya 22.87]. You must give up the association of bad elements. And who is bad element? Asat eka stri-sangi krsna abhakta ara: One bad element is one who is too much attached to women, and the other bad element is who is not devotee of God. Give up their association. Then you will be steady. Mahat-sevam dvaram ahur vimukteh [SB 5.5.2]. If you actually associate with mahatmas, so that will open your door of liberation. Mahat-sevam dvaram ahur vimuktes tamo-dvaram yositam sangi-sangam. Those who are too much materially attached, if you associate with them, then you are going in the darkest region, not liberation, but in the darkness. Adanta-gobhir visatam tamisram [SB 7.5.30]. Those who are too much to material enjoyment -- they cannot control their senses -- they're going in the darkest region. Tamo-dvaram. Tamaso ma jyotir gamaya. This is Vedic instruction, "Don't go to the darkness; go to the light." Hare Krsna.
Satsvarupa: There is prasadam being served now.
Prabhupada: (Hindi) (end)
Guest (5): (Bengali)
Prabhupada: Yes. Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna-twenty-four hours. Japa-tapa. Tapasya. Tapo divyam putraka yena suddhyed sattvam [SB 5.5.1]. Japa means tapa, tapasya. And that is drdha-vrata. Tapasa brahmacaryena [SB 6.1.13]. Tapasya begins with brahmacarya. There is no tapasya, there is no brahmacarya, there is no drdha-vrata, there is no understanding, and they are becoming guru. Just see these Europeans, Americans. Their life beginning was meat-eating. And they have given up everything. This is tapasya. And we shall eat everything, do everything... Yato mata tato patha. "Whatever I like, I do, and still a devotee." What is this nonsense? Jaya.
Guest (6): Visvasa first, faith strong.
Prabhupada: No, where is faith if we do not execute tapasya? Where is faith? Visvasa sudrdha niscaya. That is visvasa, the same thing. This is visvasa: "Krsna said this; I shall do." This is visvasa. And if you do not do anything, what Krsna says, where is visvasa? There is no visvasa. Krsna says, satatam kirtayanto mam: [Bg. 9.14] "Anyone who is chanting Me, Hare Krsna..." So Krsna says; I must do it. That is visvasa. If you do not do that, where is visvasa? What do you mean by visvasa? Visvasa means sudrdha niscaya. "Yes, Krsna has said. I shall do." That is visvasa. If you have no faith in the words of Krsna, where is your visvasa? What do you mean by visvasa? Hm?
Guest (6): Bhagavan's servant.
Prabhupada: Bhagavan is your servant. Whatever you like, you can do, and He'll serve you. You'll not serve Him. He will serve you. Is that visvasa? "Whatever nonsense I do, Krsna will support." Is that visvasa? Visvasa means "What Krsna says, I shall do." That is visvasa. That has been impressed at the modern age, that "Whatever I do, Krsna will accept it." Is it not? Do you mean visvasa means this, that "Whatever nonsense you do, Krsna will accept"? Do you mean visvasa means this? Then what is visvasa? Explain. "Whatever Krsna says, I will do," that is visvasa. Or "Whatever nonsense I do, Krsna will favor"? Which one visvasa? What do you mean...? Huh?
Guest (6): There is one pervading Supreme Soul.
Prabhupada: What is that pervading? What do you mean by that? Plain explain. What do you mean by visvasa? Explain.
Guest (6): Faith in God.
Prabhupada: Faith in God. Then hear what God says. That is... I am speaking that "What Krsna says, you do it." That is visvasa. And if you do otherwise, where is visvasa? Hm? Visvasa means... I say, "Mr. such and such, do this." If you have faith in me, you will do this. That is visvasa. And if you do otherwise, where is your visvasa? You have no faith in me. Now people have degraded so much that they think, "This is visvasa. Anything I accept as God is God." This visvasa is going on. "Any nonsen... [break] ...pravartate, iti matva bhajante mam budha bhava-samanvitah [Bg. 10.8]. Is it not? So if you take this, that Krsna is the beginning of everything -- iti matva -- by understanding this, if anyone engages himself in krsna-bhakti, bhajante mam, that is bhakti. Budha bhava-samanvitah. He has come immediately to the bhava stage. Means he's budhah. He is actual... He has actually understood the thing. So that is visvasa. In Caitanya-caritamrta it is said visvasa... Sraddha-sabde visvasa kahe sudrdha niscaya, krsne bhakti kaile sarva-karma krta haya [Cc. Madhya 22.62]. Krsne bhakti kaile sarva-karma krta haya. This is visvasa. Krsna says, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja [Bg. 18.66]. I am thinking, "I have got so many other things. Simply why shall I surrender?" That is not visvasa. Visvasa means "Krsna says, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam [Bg. 18.66]. I'll accept." Krsne bhakti kaile sarva-karma krta. That is visvasa. Sudrdha niscaya. Sraddha-sabde visvasa kahe sudrdha niscaya, krsne bhakti kaile sarva-karma krta haya. That is visvasa. That visvasa wanted, not that I manufacture something. It is useless. Moghasa mogha-karmano mogha-jnana vicetasah [Bg. 9.12]. That is hopeless. What Krsna says, if you believe firmly, then it is visvasa. Drdha-vrata. And execute, determination. Then you get the result. Sa mahatma sudurlabhah. Such mahatma is very rare. And nowadays mahatma means one who does not know anything about Krsna, speaks all nonsense. He is mahatma. "Because we stamp somebody, mahatma, therefore he is mahatma." Find out this verse, mahatmanas tu mam partha daivim prakrtim [Bg. 9.13].
Satsvarupa:
mahatmanas tu mam partha
daivim prakrtim asritah
bhajanty ananya-manaso
jnatva bhutadim avyayam
[Bg. 9.13]
"O son of Prtha, those who are not deluded, the great souls, are under the protection of the divine nature. They are fully engaged in devotional service because they know Me as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, original and inexhaustible."
Prabhupada: This is mahatma. Is there any purport?
Satsvarupa: Yes. "In this verse the description of mahatma is clearly given. The first sign of the mahatma is that he is already situated in the divine nature. He is not under the control of material nature. And how is this effected? That is explained in the Seventh Chapter. One who surrenders unto the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Sri Krsna, at once becomes freed from the control of material nature. That is the qualification."
Prabhupada: Mam eva ye prapadyante mayam etam taranti.
Satsvarupa: "One can become free from the control of material nature as soon as he surrenders his soul to the Supreme Personality of Godhead. That is the preliminary formula. Being marginal potency, as soon as the living entity is freed from the control of material nature, he is put under the guidance of the spiritual nature. The guidance of the spiritual nature is called daivim prakrtim, divine nature. So when one is promoted in that way by surrendering to the Supreme Personality of Godhead, one attains to the stage of a great soul, mahatma. The mahatma does not divert his attention to anything outside Krsna because he knows perfectly well that Krsna is the original Supreme Person, the cause of all causes. There is no doubt about it. Such a mahatma or great soul develops through association with other mahatmas, pure devotees. Pure devotees are not even attracted by Krsna's other features, such as the four-armed Maha-Visnu. They are simply attracted by the two-armed form of Krsna. Since they are not attracted to other features of Krsna, what to speak of the demigods, they are not concerned with any form of a demigod or of a human being. They only meditate upon Krsna in Krsna consciousness. They are always engaged in the unswerving service of the Lord in Krsna consciousness."
Prabhupada: Sa mahatma sudurlabhah. That is the... What do you think? What is your definition of mahatma?
Guest (1): Gita said, vasudevah sarvam iti sa mahatma sudurlabhah [Bg. 7.19].
Prabhupada: Yes. Gita says, but what you say? Recently I went to Wardha, Mahatma Gandhi's asrama. Nobody is there. And they are worshiping Mahatma's lantern, and Mahatma's cadara. Not a single picture of Krsna. (chuckles) There is not a single picture of Krsna. And here it is said, bhajate mam ananya-bhak. This is going on. So read Bhagavad-gita As It Is. Learn. Everything is there. Make your life successful. That is our proposal. Come here. We have developed this center in good quarter. Discuss Bhagavad-gita and try to do what Krsna says. Make your life perfect. (Hindi) We are misguided. Misguided... (Hindi) Everything is there in the Bhagavad-gita: "This mahatma; this is God; this is function; this you have to do." Do it. Man-mana bhava mad-bhakto mad-yaji mam namaskuru [Bg. 18.65]. Four things anyone can do. A child can do.
yoginam api sarvesam
mad-gatenantar-atmana
sraddhavan bhajate yo mam
sa me yuktatamo matah
[Bg. 6.47]
First-class yogi -- one who is thinking of Krsna. (Hindi) There is no difficulty. Take Bhagavan prasada; chant Bhagavan's name; read Bhagavad-gita; try to understand. Very easy. What is the difficulty? Is there any difficulty? Hm? Do you think is there any difficulty? [break] ...Hindi.
Guest (7): (Hindi)
Prabhupada: (Hindi) ...asat-sanga-tyaga ei vaisnava-acara [Cc. Madhya 22.87]. You must give up the association of bad elements. And who is bad element? Asat eka stri-sangi krsna abhakta ara: One bad element is one who is too much attached to women, and the other bad element is who is not devotee of God. Give up their association. Then you will be steady. Mahat-sevam dvaram ahur vimukteh [SB 5.5.2]. If you actually associate with mahatmas, so that will open your door of liberation. Mahat-sevam dvaram ahur vimuktes tamo-dvaram yositam sangi-sangam. Those who are too much materially attached, if you associate with them, then you are going in the darkest region, not liberation, but in the darkness. Adanta-gobhir visatam tamisram [SB 7.5.30]. Those who are too much to material enjoyment -- they cannot control their senses -- they're going in the darkest region. Tamo-dvaram. Tamaso ma jyotir gamaya. This is Vedic instruction, "Don't go to the darkness; go to the light." Hare Krsna.
Satsvarupa: There is prasadam being served now.
Prabhupada: (Hindi) (end)
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