Prabhupada: So we have got so many literatures
in French language. We are also asking some men from Europe. That will create
some impression. Yes. White elephant. (laughter) Dancing. Everyone will purchase
ticket. Yes. (Hindi) Bring some white elephant. So literature is there. But one
thing is that you must be placed in sadacara, well behaved. So you have to
sacrifice, especially your long hair. And if you sacrifice your hair, we can
export it and get some money. (laughter) Because in Western countries they want
these hairs to make wigs. Yes. So just... (Hindi) As they have been trained up
to rise early in the morning, this will give you spiritual strength. If you
simply becomes a gramophone speaker, then it will not be effective. Gramophone
or tape record speaker, that will not be. You must be live speaker. Your living
condition should be spiritually, what is called, surcharged. So that means you
must be trained up how to rise early in the morning, take your bath, cleanse
yourself, chant Hare Krsna mantra. Then you will be spiritually strong. When you
are spiritually strong, if you speak something on spiritual subject matter, then
it will be effective. Otherwise it will be just like tape record playing. So
this is required. And you should... You are asking something?Guest (1):
No.Prabhupada: And gradually, when you are well behaving, then you shall be
initiated to chant Hare Krsna mantra. That will give you strength, spiritual
power. Strictly observe the regulative principles -- no illicit sex, no
meat-eating, no intoxication, no gambling. It is very simple. Read these
literatures, chant Hare Krsna mantra, and observe these regulations. Then you
will become gradually powerful. Your speeches will be effective. People will
like you.Guest (2) (Indian man): Now the program in the village, Swamiji,
how to...Prabhupada: Village... Just like you acquire some land. That you
will get. It is not very... Is it difficult?Guest (2): No,
sir.Prabhupada: Just we are doing so many places. So you produce your own
food grains, not for making money but just for feeding yourself and the animals,
cows. Keep cows, as many cows as possible, and produce, till the ground, field,
and make water supply arrangement. If the investment is required, we shall do
that. You have no worry about investment. We shall bring money from anywhere.
But the work must be done very nicely. There must be good arrangement for water
supply and for plowing and keeping the cows in order. Then you get sufficient
milk, sufficient food grains and produce your own cloth. The girls and ladies,
they can spine (spin) thread, and from the thread you make cloth, handlooms. So
your first necessities of life, eating, and make little cottage, sleeping... And
if you want sex, get yourself married, live peacefully. And when you are there
you can defend yourself. So the first necessity is how to eat and how to cover.
That you have to provide. That is not difficult. You can do it. And then you
become peaceful, no anxiety for your maintenance. And then cultivate this
spiritual knowledge the same way. Have a temple there. Have... Go on chanting,
offering prasadam. You have got your food grains. Don't be dependent on anyone
else. Become self-independent. And don't be after money. Simply produce your
bare necessities of life. Keep yourself fit, strong. And chant Hare Krsna, read
book. Then you'll grow strong. Is there any difficulty?Guest (1): No,
Swamiji.Guest (2): To bring more people in our movement...Prabhupada:
They should be trained up, more people. Just like I went alone in Europe and
America. So I have trained them. So it will depend on your training power, the
more people will be attracted. If you advertise, "Come here," and if you have no
power to attract them, then it will not be... You must be attractive to bring
them. And that is spiritual attraction. You must behave yourself nicely. Then
people will come. If you become purified, then naturally they will come. Just
like if you prepare nice preparation with pure ghee, customers will be naturally
attracted and they will pay and purchase. And if you prepare rubbish thing, one
man may be cheated, but that will not be attraction for the general. Purity is
required. That will attract. Param brahma param dhama pavitram paramam bhavan
[Bg. 10.12]. One must be pure. Then he will be able to attract. So if they see
practically that "These people are very happy; they have no anxiety," then they
will be attracted. Is it not? What is the difficulty? But if you want brothel
and night dancing and wine and meat-eating, then it is spoiled. It becomes
impure. To become pure is not at all difficult. Rather, to become impure, it is
difficult. But people, with all difficulties, they are becoming impure.
Otherwise the idea which I am giving, you can start anywhere, anywhere, any part
of the world. It doesn't matter. Locally you produce your own food. You get your
own cloth. Have sufficient milk, vegetables. Then what you want more? And chant
Hare Krsna. This is Vedic civilization: plain living, high thinking. And poor
thinking, poor in thought, poor in behavior, and living with motorcar and this,
that, nonsense. It is all nonsense civilization. A first-class Rolls Royce car,
and who is sitting there? A third-class negro. This is going on. You'll find
these things in Europe and America. This is going on. A first-class car and a
third-class negro. That's all. Is it not?Guest (3) (Indian man): Car is a
necessity, Swamiji, don't you think so? Car is a necessity.Prabhupada: Not
necessary. What is the use of car? If you locate yourself to get everything,
your necessity, then where is the use of car? If you require car, you have a
bullock cart. That's all. Why should you hanker after petrol, mobile (Mobil?)
oil, machine, this, that, so many things. Why?Guest (3): Yes, but don't you
think that it would be impossible for you to come mostly?Prabhupada: No, no.
So long it is not available, we must take the best advantage. That is another
thing. But gradually we shall develop a society that all these unnecessary
rubbish things should be rejected. That is the idea. Or those who are
interested, let them manufacture car; we take advantage. We don't bother ourself
how to manufacture car. Ajagara-vrtti. Ajagara-vrtti, the idea is... Ajagara
means the snake. So a mouse makes a hole in the field to live very peacefully.
So, and he enters the hole, and a snake gets the information and he comes,
enters the hole. He eats the snake... The snake eats the mouse and lives
peacefully. So let this rascal manufacture motorcar. When we require, we take
from them and ride away. We are not going to manufacture. There will be some
rascals. Let them do that, mouse. We enter as snake. (laughter) That's all. We
are doing that. We are doing that. I did not manufacture this house, but
somebody, some mouse, has done. (laughter) And we have entered it, that's all.
That's all. This is going on all over the world. You know George Harrison? He
has earned money with so great hard labor, and he has given us a house in
London, fifty-five lakhs' worth. Another boy, Alfred Ford, he's the great
grandson of Mr. Henry Ford. He has given. He is giving still money. He is
prepared with all his money. So those who are after money, material things, we
have to induce them that "Spend for me," that's all, and let him earn. So far we
are concerned, we shall live very simple life, simply in Krsna consciousness.
That is brahmana. Brahmana does not go to construct big, big house. He simply
constructs his character, and the other ksatriyas and vaisyas, they offer him,
"Please come here and sit down." Therefore the division is... One who is unable
to become a brahmana, let him become ksatriya. If he cannot become ksatriya, let
him become a vaisya. Otherwise let him remain a sudra. But there should be ideal
class. So we are trying to create an ideal society of brahmanas. Then people
will be benefited. And if everyone is sudra, rascal, then what people will be
benefited? They do not know how to live. The brahmanas will give idea, "Live
like this. You will be happy."Guest (1): Swamiji, I propose one thing: To
influence people more and more in the villages.Prabhupada: Yes. This is the
attraction, villagers.Guest (1): Yes. We should go there and live with them
for...Prabhupada: Yes. I have already suggested that you take land and be an
ideal community.Guest (1): No, if we don't get land, Swamiji. I would
suggest if, for example, one week, four or three, Swamiji... (Hindi) What he
wants to say...Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Very good idea, very good idea.Guest
(1): That would be mercy to make the people conscious. And then again and again
have here a same thing and then they would be influenced.Prabhupada: Good
idea. It is very good idea.Pusta Krsna: The idea was in Hindi. It was in
Hindi. We don't understand.Prabhupada: In the village... I shall speak in
Hindi?Pusta Krsna: In English so we can understand.Prabhupada: I am
speaking in... So in the village, if these people go, they cannot do anything
because they cannot speak in Hindi.Guest (1): No, we should be there to
organize. We will be there to organize.Prabhupada: Yes. If you organize,
then that will be nice.Guest (1): For example, I propose that Swamiji,
sitting there, please tell me and I will tell the people they are the leader, to
organize a Bhagavad-gita in English, because Swamiji speaks
English.Prabhupada: They can understand English?Guest (1):
Yes.Prabhupada: Then do it.Guest (1): Yes, there are many
people.Prabhupada: They can understand?Guest (1): Yes.Prabhupada:
Then, English edition we have got. French edition... You can speak in French and
explain. He can speak in English.Guest (1): Yes. We can stay in a village
for about seven days or eight days, so that every night, for example, as we do
it here, we can do it in a village.Prabhupada: So if you can organize like
that, then I will come personally. I will go and encourage you.Guest (1): I
can organize it, Swamiji. There are many people who would like to see you, to
talk to you, and to... Not especially to you but to all the
swamijis.Prabhupada: Yes. So if you think so, then I can come back again.
I'll come back.Guest (1): Yes, Swamiji. Do you want me to... I know there is
one... Not only one, but if you want me to organize when you come and you would
be...Prabhupada: Yes. My point is: if necessary, I can also come. I can go
into the village. There is no...Guest (1): If you spent at least one month
in these countries, Swamiji, I could...Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Oh, yes.
Whenever you will say. If you say, I can stay just now one month.Guest (1):
Yes?Prabhupada: Yes. I can stay.Guest (1): Yes, I may organize something
there. Then I bring you there.Prabhupada: I am going to Johannesburg today.
If you think that my presence will be beneficial, then after a week I can come
back.Guest (1): Yes, Swamiji. Therefore I...Prabhupada: This is a very
good program. Very good.Guest (1): I shall tell them. There are many
youngsters.Prabhupada: Oh, yes. So if you think my presence will be very
beneficial, then after one week I shall come back. Our life is dedicated for
this purpose. Whenever the... Anukulyena krsnanusilanam [Cc. Madhya 19.167].
Wherever there is opportunity, take advantage of it. That is our mission. Little
light-fan it to make it fire. That is our mission. I welcome all these
suggestions from you. Now you be serious and do it. If you like, I shall come
back after a week.Guest (1): Yes. I have contacted two president of village.
For example, Iskadye(?) There is a village known as Iskadye. Now there is
Marshali.(?)Prabhupada: And we have no distinction that "He is Hindu. He is
Muslim. He is Christian." No. Everyone is welcome to take this culture,
education. We have no such sectarian view. No.Devotee: Excuse me. Your idea
is a program similar to what we've done or been doing previously?Guest (1):
No, Swamiji. Previously you have been only going one day in a village. Only one
day means two hours or like this. People are influenced...Prabhupada: Once
or continual. Yes. That is required.Guest (1): Yes. A continual
program.Prabhupada: "Knock, knock, knock, and the door will open." That
philosophy.Guest (1): They have been a little in the villages with books and
doing sankirtana in the street. That is very good. But it...Prabhupada: Yes.
Do sankirtana. The villagers will join.Guest (1): But at the same time, if
we collect all the people together and put it in place and talk to them every
day, continually for seven days or eight days...Prabhupada: Oh, yes. It is
possible. These are all practical proposals. There is nothing
impossibility.Guest (1): Yes. Don't you think so, Swamiji? I have
proposed...Pusta Krsna: Pandals?Guest (1): Yes. We may build pandals
also. That will be... Because...Prabhupada: Pandal or no pandal. You can sit
on open place. There is no harm.Cyavana: We can build a pandal in one day
and put up.Prabhupada: In villages we can sit down underneath a tree. That
is pandal. Why should you unnecessarily spend money? Just cleanse the ground and
sit down. That's all. Makes everything simplified.Guest (1): If it's raining
there, Swamiji. Rainy days.Prabhupada: Accha. Rainy day.Guest (1): For
that we need pandals.Prabhupada: So think. Krsna is giving you intelligence.
Think over, and Krsna will give you intelligence.Guest (1): I don't know
whether it is practical, Swamiji. That is another suggestion. Like you are here
for about seven days. Don't you think it would be good if you come here and you
call people, youngsters, for example, those who are interested in the Vedic
culture, would come here, in any place, for about seven days or eight days to
stay with you and to learn what you want to say.Pusta Krsna: Like a
camp.Guest (1): Like a camp, yes.Prabhupada: Yes. They are
welcome.Guest (1): You would prepare... At least every individual get one
young man who will come.Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Yes. Very good suggestion.
Immediately accepted. Oh, yes. I speak only selected young men, and they will
speak. Yes. That is wanted.Guest (1): And it will be easier for us to go to
their village.Prabhupada: Yes.Guest (1): They would guide
us.Prabhupada: That is very good suggestion.Guest (1): When do you think
that you could do it?Prabhupada: Yes. I can immediately begin. Yes.Pusta
Krsna: I can give you our address in Johannesburg, and you can write letter
trying to organize it.Prabhupada: How long it takes to go from
here?Pusta Krsna: It's just a few hours. Johannesburg letter would only take
two, three days.Prabhupada: So you keep the address and be in
correspondence.Pusta Krsna: Best if everything is set up beforehand, so when
Prabhupada comes it is already organized.Guest (1): Yes. We can put it in
newspaper.Prabhupada: But one thing you must be assured, that if you can
introduce this Krsna consciousness movement, everyone will be happy. Be rest
assured. That's a fact.Guest (1): Because if you go to the
villages...Prabhupada: Everyone will be happy. Men and animal, everyone will
be happy. Even the trees and plants, they will be happy.Pusta Krsna: We
could have big sankirtana parties in the villages here too.Brahmananda: How
is it that the trees and plants will be happy?Prabhupada: Because they will
hear Hare Krsna. Not only trees and plants. The insects and everyone, they will
have the opportunity of hearing Hare Krsna. That will benefit.Guest (1): If
we have got this act, Swamiji, here itself we can organize it. For example, we
are getting holidays in November, school holidays, twenty-first November. So we
can put it in the newspaper that "Those who are interested, young people from
fifteen or twenty to thirty or forty, these people can send their letters and
they would come. So we can answer them through newspaper, also radio, through
TV, so that they would come...Prabhupada: Yes. If you do organize, then I
shall stay. It is very good program. Let us give it some shape with your good
cooperation. So Krsna is giving you intelligence. He is giving so nice program.
So do it practically.Guest (1): And we can conquer out there.Prabhupada:
(laughs) Yes. Param vijayate sri-krsna-sankirtanam. Sri-krsna-sankirtana is so
powerful that it will conquer. It will be victorious. So I am very glad to meet
you. And do this program. And if you like, I shall come back after a week and
do. Utilize me in this way, I shall be very glad. That's all right.Devotee:
Jaya Srila Prabhupada. Hare Krsna. (end)
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