Prabhupada: (laughs) Krodha
bhakta-dvesi-jane. That is Narottama Thakura's instruction. You must be very
angry, those who are against God and devotee, very angry. Utilize your anger for
them. Krodha bhakta-dvesi-jane. That anger is service. Krsna-seba kamarpane. For
Krsna's service one should be mad. Kama-krodha should be given up, but a bhakta
does not give up. Utilize it. A bhakta should be very much for kamut(?) serving
Krsna. And he must utilize his anger for the bhakta-dvesi, those who are not
devotee. Krsna-seba kamarpane krodha bhakta-dvesi-jane. We have nothing to give
up like Mayavadi. Kama, krodha, lobha, moha, matsarya. Matsarya may... That has
to be... A bhakta cannot be envious. If a bhakta is angry upon them, that is not
envious. That is for good. A bhakta should not be envious. Otherwise how he can
preach? He's merciful. Even if he's angry, it is mercy. Therefore this matsarya
has no use for bhakta. Other things, they have use, kama, krodha, lobha, moha,
not matsarya. Matsarya is very bad.Satsvarupa: Envy?
Prabhupada: Envy, yes. So Panihati is hopeful, is not...
Jayapataka: Yes. If this MLA actually pushes it through, then in one month...
Prabhupada: In that MLA that gentleman is very intelligent.
Jayapataka: Yes.
Prabhupada: Young man.
Jayapataka: He's ambitious. Ambitious.
Prabhupada: Ambitious for Krsna, everyone should be ambitious: "How I shall become a great devotee?" That is very good. Yes. Again finger problem. (laughs) So electric is not working? Just see. In the evening, we..., people want light. No light.
Jayapataka: It works the whole day. Only in the evening it goes off.
Prabhupada: Whole night also. Only evening, when you require it... (laughter) India's material advancement is artificial. They are not fit for it. In America, so long, no electricity every day? People would become mad. There would have been a revolution. Huh? Is it not?
Hari-sauri: Yes. They had a blackout in New York once for an hour or so.
Prabhupada: Yes, I know that. I was that time.
Hari-sauri: Oh, you were there.
Prabhupada: Not hour. It was four hours. And fortunately I was not out on the street. I was in my place. That accident took place just after few days of my arrival, 1965. One gentleman, he, I know, he brought me some candle. I had no candle even. Simply I was sitting in darkness. What can be done? But Krsna sent him with some candle. Yes. (chuckling)
Hari-sauri: Nine months after that incident they had a record number of births...
Prabhupada: Yes.
Hari-sauri: ...in New York.
Prabhupada: What can they do in darkness? (laughter) That is the only engagement in darkness.
Jayapataka: They could have chanted Hare Krsna.
Prabhupada: No... Even Hare Krsna people. Naviviktasano bhavet, matra svasra duhitra va [SB 9.19.17]. It is strictly forbidden: "You should not sit alone even with your mother, sister or daughter, what to speak of wife." Balavan indriya-gramo vidvamsam api karsati: "The senses are so strong, even learned persons, advanced, they also become victimized." Balavan indriya-gramah. Balavan means very strong. When the... It is forbidden even with mother, sister or..., and daughter. That is the only capturing instrument in the material world. Maithunyam agara, prison house of sex, this material world. It is a prison house, but locked up by sex. The ordinary prison house, they are locked up by guards, and here the locking process is sex. Maithunyam agara. The words are selected in Bhagavata. They are thinking free. (laughs) They are imprisoned, locked up. And everyone falsely thinking, "I am free. Our nation is free. I am free." What nonsense free? You are locked up already. That he does not... Now this word is used, maithunyam agaram ajnah. He has preferred to remain in this prison locked up by sex because he is rascal. Maithunyam agaram ajnah.
Pradyumna: Where is that, Srila Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: In the... Find out, Fifth, Fifth Canto, Fifth Chapter. Bhagavata is the only guide. Read Bhagavata, repeatedly whole life. Safe. Always. Always, whenever there is time, read, read, read.
anarthopasamam saksad
bhakti-yogam adhoksaje
lokasyajanato vidvams
cakre satvata-samhitam
[SB 1.7.6]
Vyasadeva has done this satvata-samhita. Anartha. To live in this material world is anartha, unnecessary. Hm? You have got it?
Pradyumna:
yada na pasyaty ayatha guneham
svarthe pramattah sahasa vipascit
gata-smrtir vindati tatra tapan
asadya maithunyam agaram ajnah
Prabhupada: Ajnah.
Jayapataka: Which verse?
Pradyumna: It's Canto Five, Chapter Five, verse number seven. "Even though one may be very learned and wise, he is mad if he does not understand that the endeavor for sense gratification is a useless waste of time. Being forgetful of his own interest, he tries to be happy in the material world, centering his interests around his home, which is based on sexual intercourse and which brings him all kinds of material miseries. In this way one is no better than a foolish animal."
Prabhupada: Yes. Maithunyam agaram ajnah. The selection of words in Bhagavata are, from even literary point of view, perfect. Padam padam yad vipadam na tesam [SB 10.14.58]. Bhavambudhir vatsa-padam param padam padam padam yad vipadam na... This is literary. Samasrita ye pada-pallava-plavam. Again plavam plavam. Anuprasa. This is literary, anuprasa. Samasrita ye pada-pallava-plavam mahat-padam punya-yaso murareh. Padam. Bhavambudhir vatsa-padam param padam padam padam yad vipadam na tesam. Just see literary arrangement. And full of meaning. This is Bhagavatam. Any way you study, from literary point of view, from knowledge, from philosophy, from social, every-perfect. Therefore lokasya ajanato vidvams cakre. Vidvan. One who has learned, Vyasadeva, vidvan, the first-class learned person. The satvata-samhitam -- for the devotees, Vedic cream. Nigama-kalpa-taror galitam phalam idam [SB 1.1.3]. Nobody can be like Vyasadeva; He's incarnation of Narayana. Where is such scholar throughout the whole world? Is there?
Hari-sauri: That man from Delhi said that he thought you were an incarnation of Vyasadeva.
Prabhupada: Yes. Any devotee in literary career, he is to be understood... Just like our Vrndavana dasa Thakura. He is described as incarnation of Vyasadeva because Vyasadeva wrote Bhagavatam and he wrote Caitanya-bhagavata.
Pradyumna: Vyasa-puja.
Prabhupada: Vyasa-puja. Vyasa-prasadam. Unless one is blessed by Vyasadeva, he cannot write transcendental literature. So now you have very good cook. Kirtana is going on. It is Vaikuntha. Maintain this status very nicely. You can. You are... From the very beginning you are... Do it very nicely. Tatra tisthami narada yatra gayanti mad-bhaktah. If devotees chant always, that is Krsna or Vaikuntha. Tatra tistha... Tatra tisthami. Yatra gayanti mad-bhaktah. They must be pure devotee and always talk about Krsna, chant about Krsna. Then it is Vaikuntha. What about this generator? Is it going to work or not?
Jayapataka: I'm not sure. I don't know who was working on that today. I just got back myself. There was some... They're hooking up, I think, the wires.
Prabhupada: It must work. Otherwise...
Jayapataka: Oh, it's guaranteed it will work. The electric supply officer was on a three-day leave, I heard. Therefore he couldn't make the...
Prabhupada: Connection.
Jayapataka: ...connection.
Prabhupada: So be after him. Do it. This is the first business. In Vrndavana we have got very good generator. As soon as stops, within a minute we can start generator, very nice.
Jayapataka: This is the same make.
Prabhupada: Kirloskar.
Jayapataka: Yes, only bigger size.
Prabhupada: That's nice. It is now recognized machine, Kirloskar. Kirloskar, Kirloskar. A Maharathi gentleman. (end)
Prabhupada: Envy, yes. So Panihati is hopeful, is not...
Jayapataka: Yes. If this MLA actually pushes it through, then in one month...
Prabhupada: In that MLA that gentleman is very intelligent.
Jayapataka: Yes.
Prabhupada: Young man.
Jayapataka: He's ambitious. Ambitious.
Prabhupada: Ambitious for Krsna, everyone should be ambitious: "How I shall become a great devotee?" That is very good. Yes. Again finger problem. (laughs) So electric is not working? Just see. In the evening, we..., people want light. No light.
Jayapataka: It works the whole day. Only in the evening it goes off.
Prabhupada: Whole night also. Only evening, when you require it... (laughter) India's material advancement is artificial. They are not fit for it. In America, so long, no electricity every day? People would become mad. There would have been a revolution. Huh? Is it not?
Hari-sauri: Yes. They had a blackout in New York once for an hour or so.
Prabhupada: Yes, I know that. I was that time.
Hari-sauri: Oh, you were there.
Prabhupada: Not hour. It was four hours. And fortunately I was not out on the street. I was in my place. That accident took place just after few days of my arrival, 1965. One gentleman, he, I know, he brought me some candle. I had no candle even. Simply I was sitting in darkness. What can be done? But Krsna sent him with some candle. Yes. (chuckling)
Hari-sauri: Nine months after that incident they had a record number of births...
Prabhupada: Yes.
Hari-sauri: ...in New York.
Prabhupada: What can they do in darkness? (laughter) That is the only engagement in darkness.
Jayapataka: They could have chanted Hare Krsna.
Prabhupada: No... Even Hare Krsna people. Naviviktasano bhavet, matra svasra duhitra va [SB 9.19.17]. It is strictly forbidden: "You should not sit alone even with your mother, sister or daughter, what to speak of wife." Balavan indriya-gramo vidvamsam api karsati: "The senses are so strong, even learned persons, advanced, they also become victimized." Balavan indriya-gramah. Balavan means very strong. When the... It is forbidden even with mother, sister or..., and daughter. That is the only capturing instrument in the material world. Maithunyam agara, prison house of sex, this material world. It is a prison house, but locked up by sex. The ordinary prison house, they are locked up by guards, and here the locking process is sex. Maithunyam agara. The words are selected in Bhagavata. They are thinking free. (laughs) They are imprisoned, locked up. And everyone falsely thinking, "I am free. Our nation is free. I am free." What nonsense free? You are locked up already. That he does not... Now this word is used, maithunyam agaram ajnah. He has preferred to remain in this prison locked up by sex because he is rascal. Maithunyam agaram ajnah.
Pradyumna: Where is that, Srila Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: In the... Find out, Fifth, Fifth Canto, Fifth Chapter. Bhagavata is the only guide. Read Bhagavata, repeatedly whole life. Safe. Always. Always, whenever there is time, read, read, read.
anarthopasamam saksad
bhakti-yogam adhoksaje
lokasyajanato vidvams
cakre satvata-samhitam
[SB 1.7.6]
Vyasadeva has done this satvata-samhita. Anartha. To live in this material world is anartha, unnecessary. Hm? You have got it?
Pradyumna:
yada na pasyaty ayatha guneham
svarthe pramattah sahasa vipascit
gata-smrtir vindati tatra tapan
asadya maithunyam agaram ajnah
Prabhupada: Ajnah.
Jayapataka: Which verse?
Pradyumna: It's Canto Five, Chapter Five, verse number seven. "Even though one may be very learned and wise, he is mad if he does not understand that the endeavor for sense gratification is a useless waste of time. Being forgetful of his own interest, he tries to be happy in the material world, centering his interests around his home, which is based on sexual intercourse and which brings him all kinds of material miseries. In this way one is no better than a foolish animal."
Prabhupada: Yes. Maithunyam agaram ajnah. The selection of words in Bhagavata are, from even literary point of view, perfect. Padam padam yad vipadam na tesam [SB 10.14.58]. Bhavambudhir vatsa-padam param padam padam padam yad vipadam na... This is literary. Samasrita ye pada-pallava-plavam. Again plavam plavam. Anuprasa. This is literary, anuprasa. Samasrita ye pada-pallava-plavam mahat-padam punya-yaso murareh. Padam. Bhavambudhir vatsa-padam param padam padam padam yad vipadam na tesam. Just see literary arrangement. And full of meaning. This is Bhagavatam. Any way you study, from literary point of view, from knowledge, from philosophy, from social, every-perfect. Therefore lokasya ajanato vidvams cakre. Vidvan. One who has learned, Vyasadeva, vidvan, the first-class learned person. The satvata-samhitam -- for the devotees, Vedic cream. Nigama-kalpa-taror galitam phalam idam [SB 1.1.3]. Nobody can be like Vyasadeva; He's incarnation of Narayana. Where is such scholar throughout the whole world? Is there?
Hari-sauri: That man from Delhi said that he thought you were an incarnation of Vyasadeva.
Prabhupada: Yes. Any devotee in literary career, he is to be understood... Just like our Vrndavana dasa Thakura. He is described as incarnation of Vyasadeva because Vyasadeva wrote Bhagavatam and he wrote Caitanya-bhagavata.
Pradyumna: Vyasa-puja.
Prabhupada: Vyasa-puja. Vyasa-prasadam. Unless one is blessed by Vyasadeva, he cannot write transcendental literature. So now you have very good cook. Kirtana is going on. It is Vaikuntha. Maintain this status very nicely. You can. You are... From the very beginning you are... Do it very nicely. Tatra tisthami narada yatra gayanti mad-bhaktah. If devotees chant always, that is Krsna or Vaikuntha. Tatra tistha... Tatra tisthami. Yatra gayanti mad-bhaktah. They must be pure devotee and always talk about Krsna, chant about Krsna. Then it is Vaikuntha. What about this generator? Is it going to work or not?
Jayapataka: I'm not sure. I don't know who was working on that today. I just got back myself. There was some... They're hooking up, I think, the wires.
Prabhupada: It must work. Otherwise...
Jayapataka: Oh, it's guaranteed it will work. The electric supply officer was on a three-day leave, I heard. Therefore he couldn't make the...
Prabhupada: Connection.
Jayapataka: ...connection.
Prabhupada: So be after him. Do it. This is the first business. In Vrndavana we have got very good generator. As soon as stops, within a minute we can start generator, very nice.
Jayapataka: This is the same make.
Prabhupada: Kirloskar.
Jayapataka: Yes, only bigger size.
Prabhupada: That's nice. It is now recognized machine, Kirloskar. Kirloskar, Kirloskar. A Maharathi gentleman. (end)
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Room Conversation -- February 16, 1977, Mayapura
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