Prabhupada: That is Krsna
consciousness. So your question is answered? Material consciousness means
thinking falsely independent. That is material consciousness. Falsely. He is not
independent, but he is thinking falsely, "I am independent." This is maya. Just
like in dream he is falsely thinking there is a tiger. There is no tiger, but he
is actuated by this false impression, "Oh, tiger is eating me. It has attacked
me. Save me." So this material existence means because he is insane, he is
thinking there are so many problems, "The tiger is there. He is attacking me.
This, that, so many enemies, friends...," creating so many things. But they are
all false. But he is attacked by that false hallucination. That's all. This is
maya. Everyone is thinking, "Oh, there are so many problems I have to solve. I
have to make this, that, this, so many." But he has no problem. He has no
problem. His only problem is how to accept Krsna. That's all. And Krsna is so
kind. He says, "Yes, you accept Me. Simply chant Krsna. I am yours. That's all."
But my, I am so misfortunate that I cannot chant even. All problems solved
simply by chanting Krsna. Etadrsi tava krpa bhagavan. Caitanya Mahaprabhu
teaches that "O Krsna, You are so kind that You have come to Me in the sound
vibration, word, 'Krsna.' I can very easily chant, and You remain with Me. But I
am so misfortunate that I have no attraction even for this." You say people,
"You chant Krsna; you get everything." They will not believe it. If you say,
"You press your nose. You pay me fifty dollars. I'll give you some nice mantra
and this, that. You make your head like this, leg like this," "Oh," he'll say,
"here is something." Something. "And this Swamiji says, 'Simply chant Krsna.'
Oh, what is this?" Therefore Caitanya Mahaprabhu said, etadrsi tava krpa
bhagavan mamapi durdaiva: "But I am so unfortunate that You have become so
easily available in this age, but I am so unfortunate, I cannot accept it." So
the Krsna consciousness so easily being distributed, but they are so
unfortunate, they cannot accept. Just see. And you give them bluff, you cheat
them -- they will, "Ah, yes, welcome. Yes." They'll welcome it. And cheaters are
always ready: "Oh, there are so many customers for being cheated. Let me take
advantage of it." So my Guru Maharaja used to say, "This world is the society of
cheaters and cheated." The members are somebody are cheating, and somebody are
cheated. The association of cheaters and cheated. So we want to save them from
this society of cheaters and cheated.Janardana: Prabhupada, often when we'll
be performing, doing some activity during our day, and so many things will go
wrong, and we become frustrated...
Prabhupada: Well, when one is a professional, there may be something wrong. That doesn't matter. But you try to discharge your duties, rightly, whatever you are prescribed to do. Then everything will come to the right point. Your only business is to follow the four principles of regulative life and chant Hare Krsna sixteen rounds. So there may be sometimes mistake. That will be corrected automatically. Because we are coming from a different platform, so it may be. And that is also said in the Bha... Api cet su-duracaro bhajate mam ananya-bhak, sadhur eva sa mantavyah: [Bg. 9.30] "If one is found doing mistake or doing something wrong, but because he is sticking to this principle of Krsna consciousness, he is sadhu." Sadhu means a holy man. He is holy. He is not doing any wrong consciously. But due to habit... Suppose just like most of you were, in your former life, you were smoking or taking intoxication. But by some influence, if you sometimes take to it, yes, if you are conscious, "Oh, I have done wrong," but that is excused if you have done unconscious. But if you think that "Now I am Krsna conscious. Whatever I do, it is right," then it is great sin. But accidentally it happens -- that is excused. Never mind. So accidental mistake is not dangerous. Willful mistake is dangerous. That we should be careful. We should be very careful always so that accidental mistakes also may not take place. But if it takes place, it is excused.
Devotee: Can hatha-yoga hinder or help Krsna consciousness, or is it...?
Prabhupada: Hinder. Yes. Because it is useless, simply wasting time. You cannot perform hatha-yoga in this age. You do not follow the rules and regulations. You are simply bluffed. Do you know what is the rules and regulations of hatha-yoga factually?
Devotee: Not actually.
Prabhupada: Yes. You have to select a secluded place. Hatha-yoga is not practiced in assembly of so many men. Just you go to a hatha-yoga class. There are hundreds of members practicing, and he is collecting money, five dollars per seat. And you are thinking, "I am practicing." That is useless waste of time and money. Hatha-yoga is not practiced in that way. You have to practice in a secluded place, alone. Do you do that?
Devotee: Yes. Not... No. I guess I don't.
Prabhupada: It is very difficult in this age. Then you have to restrain yourself in so many things. Complete free from sex life. You have to eat under certain direction, you have to... So many things there are. These rules are not followed. Simply they have got some bodily gymnastic sitting posture. They are thinking, "I am practicing." No. That is one of the items. So all the items cannot be observed in this age. Therefore it is wasting. [ "...yogis, he who always abides in Me with great faith, worshiping Me in transcendental loving service is most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all." This is the goal of yoga practice. So that is possible very easily by this movement, Krsna consciousness, not by any other process. And the ultimate goal is here. One should be always abiding with God, worshiping Him, transcendental loving service, and intimately united with Him, intimately. This intimate unity means that five kinds of relationship. That is the perfection of yoga. When Krsna has advised yoga practice, sankhya-yoga... You have Bhagavad-gita? There is sankhya-yoga. You'll find in the forty-seventh verse. This is the version.
Devotee: There's no value in keeping the body fit through exercise?
Prabhupada: Yes, you can become very healthy. But does it mean that health is the perfection of life? Do you mean to say healthy life will not die, will not change his body? So health is required, but health is not the ultimate goal of life. Ultimate goal of life is here.
Guest (3): Buddha taught very similar things to what the Gita taught also, didn't he? Are there agreeances there, agreement in certain places what Buddha taught and what the Gita teaches?
Prabhupada: Do you follow this Buddha?
Guest (3): Uh, no.
Prabhupada: You simply talk of him? You practice Buddha if you appreciate him. You give up everything like Buddha and meditate. But that you will not do. Then what is the talking of, useless talking about this? Do something. Either you believe Buddha or Jesus Christ or Krsna. Do something. Don't talk simply. Lord Buddha is very nice. He gave up his kingdom in youthful life. He was prince. He thought, "It is all nonsense. Let me meditate." Do like that. That is the disease. We won't do anything. We talk much of this, that, this, that. Do anything, but do it perfectly. "Jack of all trade, master of none." That is not good. Be master of something. It doesn't differ. Either you follow Lord Jesus Christ or Lord Buddha or Krsna, it doesn't matter much. But do it perfectly. That is our request. (end)
Prabhupada: Well, when one is a professional, there may be something wrong. That doesn't matter. But you try to discharge your duties, rightly, whatever you are prescribed to do. Then everything will come to the right point. Your only business is to follow the four principles of regulative life and chant Hare Krsna sixteen rounds. So there may be sometimes mistake. That will be corrected automatically. Because we are coming from a different platform, so it may be. And that is also said in the Bha... Api cet su-duracaro bhajate mam ananya-bhak, sadhur eva sa mantavyah: [Bg. 9.30] "If one is found doing mistake or doing something wrong, but because he is sticking to this principle of Krsna consciousness, he is sadhu." Sadhu means a holy man. He is holy. He is not doing any wrong consciously. But due to habit... Suppose just like most of you were, in your former life, you were smoking or taking intoxication. But by some influence, if you sometimes take to it, yes, if you are conscious, "Oh, I have done wrong," but that is excused if you have done unconscious. But if you think that "Now I am Krsna conscious. Whatever I do, it is right," then it is great sin. But accidentally it happens -- that is excused. Never mind. So accidental mistake is not dangerous. Willful mistake is dangerous. That we should be careful. We should be very careful always so that accidental mistakes also may not take place. But if it takes place, it is excused.
Devotee: Can hatha-yoga hinder or help Krsna consciousness, or is it...?
Prabhupada: Hinder. Yes. Because it is useless, simply wasting time. You cannot perform hatha-yoga in this age. You do not follow the rules and regulations. You are simply bluffed. Do you know what is the rules and regulations of hatha-yoga factually?
Devotee: Not actually.
Prabhupada: Yes. You have to select a secluded place. Hatha-yoga is not practiced in assembly of so many men. Just you go to a hatha-yoga class. There are hundreds of members practicing, and he is collecting money, five dollars per seat. And you are thinking, "I am practicing." That is useless waste of time and money. Hatha-yoga is not practiced in that way. You have to practice in a secluded place, alone. Do you do that?
Devotee: Yes. Not... No. I guess I don't.
Prabhupada: It is very difficult in this age. Then you have to restrain yourself in so many things. Complete free from sex life. You have to eat under certain direction, you have to... So many things there are. These rules are not followed. Simply they have got some bodily gymnastic sitting posture. They are thinking, "I am practicing." No. That is one of the items. So all the items cannot be observed in this age. Therefore it is wasting. [ "...yogis, he who always abides in Me with great faith, worshiping Me in transcendental loving service is most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all." This is the goal of yoga practice. So that is possible very easily by this movement, Krsna consciousness, not by any other process. And the ultimate goal is here. One should be always abiding with God, worshiping Him, transcendental loving service, and intimately united with Him, intimately. This intimate unity means that five kinds of relationship. That is the perfection of yoga. When Krsna has advised yoga practice, sankhya-yoga... You have Bhagavad-gita? There is sankhya-yoga. You'll find in the forty-seventh verse. This is the version.
Devotee: There's no value in keeping the body fit through exercise?
Prabhupada: Yes, you can become very healthy. But does it mean that health is the perfection of life? Do you mean to say healthy life will not die, will not change his body? So health is required, but health is not the ultimate goal of life. Ultimate goal of life is here.
Guest (3): Buddha taught very similar things to what the Gita taught also, didn't he? Are there agreeances there, agreement in certain places what Buddha taught and what the Gita teaches?
Prabhupada: Do you follow this Buddha?
Guest (3): Uh, no.
Prabhupada: You simply talk of him? You practice Buddha if you appreciate him. You give up everything like Buddha and meditate. But that you will not do. Then what is the talking of, useless talking about this? Do something. Either you believe Buddha or Jesus Christ or Krsna. Do something. Don't talk simply. Lord Buddha is very nice. He gave up his kingdom in youthful life. He was prince. He thought, "It is all nonsense. Let me meditate." Do like that. That is the disease. We won't do anything. We talk much of this, that, this, that. Do anything, but do it perfectly. "Jack of all trade, master of none." That is not good. Be master of something. It doesn't differ. Either you follow Lord Jesus Christ or Lord Buddha or Krsna, it doesn't matter much. But do it perfectly. That is our request. (end)
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