Prabhupada:So you explain
Bhagavad-gita as it is there in Ahmedabad?Yasomatinandana:
Yes.
Prabhupada: They like it?
Yasomatinandana: Yes. Many young people are very attracted.
Prabhupada: Yes, when real thing will be presented, it will act.
Yasomatinandana: Many people frankly admit that they had a very vague idea of religion. It is not so...
Prabhupada: Not many, all of them. They do not know what is religion. Therefore there are so many rascal religionists. And Srimad-Bhagavatam begins dharmah projjhita-kaitavo 'tra [SB 1.1.2]. All cheating type of religions kicked out from here. This is beginning. And Vrndavana dasa Thakura has translated,
prthivite yara kichu dharma-name cale
bhagavata kahe taha paripurna chale(?)
Whatever is going on throughout the whole world as religion, Bhagavata is condemning them as simply cheating. Very clear translation. Cale and chale. Chale means cheating.
Indian man: Chakapat.(?)
Prabhupada: Chakapat. So whatever is going on in the name of religion, simply cheating. Because religion means dharmam tu saksad bhagavat-pranitam [SB 6.3.19]. Religion means the laws given by God. That is religion. But they do not know who is God and what is the law. And God is coming personally, giving the laws. Sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja [Bg. 18.66]. They'll not take it. In the absence they'll say, "We have not seen God. We do not know who is God." And when He comes, they don't take. They are misguided by the leaders. Bhagavad-gita without Krsna. That's all. Take Bhagavad-gita, but don't touch Krsna. Untouchable. Take the egg and cut the throat of the chicken; it is expensive. Take only the hind part; you'll get the egg. And mouth is expensive, cut it. Ardha-kukkuti-nyaya [Cc. Adi-lila 5.176]. Very intelligent, that this part is expensive and this part is productive. Keep this part and cut. So as soon as in Bhagavad-gita we say you have to become devotee of Krsna -- no, cut. That part, cut. And Krsna said karmany evadhikaras te, and work like ass day and night. "Ah, yes, we'll do."
Yasomatinandana: That is the most favorite slogan of everybody.
Prabhupada: Yes. Because they're asses. Asses, they want... Even in Tehran, I saw the ass. This is Indian civilization. Loaded.
Indian man: With pots or something.
Prabhupada: Right. Some tons of things. The ass does not know why he is carrying so much load. Therefore mudha. What for he is carrying? What is his profit? He does not know. But he's carrying so much. "I am big industrialist. I have got so much business." What for you are doing industry? That he does not know. Ass. Karmis are described as asses. They do not know what is the interest.
Indian man (2): How does it matter what people call Krsna, whether they call Bhagavan or Visnu or what, Krsna? If it is just only one God. We are talking removing Krsna from Gita but putting Bhagavan there instead of Krsna. How does it matter?
Prabhupada: Krsna said, mattah parataram nanyat kincid asti dhananjaya [Bg. 7.7]. "There is no more superior authority than Me."
aham sarvasya prabhavo
mattah sarvam pravartate
iti matva bhajante mam
budha bhava-samanvitah
[Bg. 10.8]
bahunam janmanam ante
jnanavan mam prapadyate
[Bg. 7.19]
These things are there. Iti te jnanam akhyatam guhyad guhyataram maya. Then explain. Vimrsya, this word is there. Vimrsyaitad yathecchasi tatha kuru. Find out this verse, iti. These are strong words. Because we are misled by foolish leaders, we are confused. Otherwise everything's clear.
Yasomatinandana:
iti te jnanam akhyatam
guhyad guhyataram maya
vimrsyaitad asesena
yathecchasi tatha kuru
[Bg. 18.63]
"Thus I have explained to you the most confidential of all knowledge. Deliberate on this fully, and then do what you wish to do."
Prabhupada: What you want more? It is up to you. He has explained everything, what is karma-yoga, what is jnana-yoga, what is dhyana-yoga, what is bhakti-yoga, what is the ultimate goal-sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam [Bg. 18.66] -- He has explained everything. Now it is up to you to think over it and do whatever you like. There is no force. You are at liberty. Your question has no standing. You have to decide, if you have got intelligence, to take up the instruction of Krsna and by happy. It is up to you. What was your question? What was your question?
Indian man (2): What was my question? I said how does it matter what name we give to Krsna, whether we call Him by Bhagavan or other names...?
Prabhupada: Dog, cat, whatever you like.
Indian man (2): No. As far as for God.
Prabhupada: No, no, as you say, "Whatever you like." You can call Him a dog, a cat. You can call.
Indian man (2): The name of Bhagavan only I said.
Prabhupada: Do you know Bhagavan's name? You do not know Bhagavan. How do you know Bhagavan's name?
Indian man (2): It is interchangeably used, Krsna and Bhagavan.
Prabhupada: What is interchangeable? Here it says mam ekam. Where is interchangeable? Why you manufacture? Fertile brain. Don't make your brain fertile. That is going on, rascaldom. Interchangeable. Why interchangeable? Mam ekam. Ekam.
Indian man (2): Krsna is the only God. That's why there is no other alternative. Krsna is the God, there is no alternative.
Prabhupada: Yes. Krsna is... That is explained in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. Ete camsa-kalah pumsah krsnas tu bhagavan svayam [SB 1.3.28]. All incarnation of God is described, and the summary is given at the end that all these names, Rama, Nrsimha, Varaha, and so many, hundreds and thousands, so all of them are Krsna's plenary portion or portion of the plenary portion. Ete ca amsa-kalah. And this Krsna, tu bhagavan, He is the original. Ete ca amsa-kalah. And this Krsna, tu bhagavan, He is the original. Ete camsa-kalah pumsah krsnas tu bhagavan svayam [SB 1.3.28]. It is clearly stated. And Krsna says in Bhagavad-gita, aham sarvasya prabhavah [Bg. 10.8]. There are many incarnation of God. So many incarnations that you cannot count even. Just like it is said in the Srimad-Bhagavatam that like you cannot count the waves of the river, similarly you cannot count how many incarnations are there. But Bhagavata gives you the information that all these incarnations, innumerable incarnations, they are portions or part of the portions. But krsnas tu bhagavan svayam. And Krsna also confirms that mattah parataram nanyat [Bg. 7.7]. Aham sarvasya prabhavah: [Bg. 10.8] "I am the origin." Mam ekam saranam vraja. What is the difficulty? But unfortunately you have got fertile brain. You manufacture things. And that is your misfortune. It is better to remain a fool before the acarya. Then he'll make progress. As Caitanya Mahaprabhu said, guru more murkha dekhi' karila sasana [Cc. Adi 7.71]. "My guru saw Me a fool number one, and he has chastised Me." When Prakasananda Sarasvati asked Him that "You are a sannyasi, You are simply chanting," so He replied like that: guru more murkha dekhi' karila sasana, "My Guru Maharaja saw Me a fool number one. Therefore he has said, 'You simply chant Hare Krsna. You rascal, You cannot do anything.' So I am doing like that." He said that. He represented Himself a representative of the fools and rascals. So kalau nasty eva nasty eva nasty eva gatir anyatha. This is the only business, chant Hare Krsna. Then you gradually come to your original sense. Ceto-darpana-marjanam bhava-maha-davagni-nirvapanam [Cc. Antya 20.12]. It is very easy thing. People will not take it. They want to see magic, they want to see jugglery, they want to hear all nonsense. This is the... If you talk nonsense, cheating them, they will like it. Satya bole tomare lata yuta jagat bihar dana kali-yuga tuk lage anahaspar.(?) Krsna is speaking, but... Personally? That is not good. They'll go to some rascal who can talk jugglery and show magic. Who can show greater magic than Krsna? Who has done it? A seven-years-old boy lifting the mountain. That is mythology. When Krsna shows something wonderful, that is mythology. Mythology, Vyasadeva has written mythology. And big, big acaryas, Ramanujacarya and Madhvacarya, big, big, Caitanya Mahaprabhu, they have studied this mythology and given their comments. Another common sense is that there are hundreds and thousands and millions planets. There is no life, everywhere, rocks and sands, and everything is here? Here there are rocks and sands and there are living entities, there are forests, there is greenness, everything. Variety. Why other planets without varieties? If somebody has created, why he's so dull that he has created everything here, and everywhere simply rocks and sands? And what business he has to do this? Rocks and sand? How he has misspent his valuable time for creating rocks and sand? And wherefrom the sand came? Scientifically, sand is there where there is sea. Because sand is sodium silicate. It is manufactured from salt. So without water there is no question of sand. These things have to be considered. And rock is also combination of sand.
Indian man (2): In today's Times there is a news item. Very light, but it can be giving different sense.(?)
Prabhupada: What is that news?
Indian man (2): Somebody has given the prediction, I forget his name, but he says that in the next thirty years or so the human beings will discover some things on which gravity does not act.
Prabhupada: Something?
Yasomatinandana: Human beings will discover some things on which the law of gravity does not work.
Prabhupada: Law of gravity does not work now also. There is no question of this discovery. You take one small needle and you take one big log. The log will float and the needle will go down. The needle is so less weight, but it goes down. And the log is so heavy, it floats. Where is law of gravity?
Indian man (2): But that is, that is only relative. Both are being acted upon...
Prabhupada: Therefore relative, it is not absolute, law of gravity.
Indian man (2): The thing is, till now we are thinking that light (indistinct) things, and all our thinking was conditioned by that. At least in the scientific context.
Prabhupada: Scientific context... In Hawaii they cut all the coconuts because they are very scientist-law of gravity. But we don't care for this. We don't care. We are keeping the coconut on our head. We never think of law of gravity, that it will fall down. And those who are very much advanced in law of gravity, they have lost all the beauty of the trees, they have thrown the... They are afraid they will...
Indian man (2): Fall on the head.
Prabhupada: Yes. They will fall down. This is their gain of life. We have discussed this point. Why the green apple does not fall down? So this is their concoction. And why the other planets do not fall down? With so many rocks. Millions. They do not fall down. Where is the law of gravity acting? That means, law means it is made by somebody. And the maker, if He likes, it will act. If He does not like, it will not act. Just like Lord Ramacandra, all the stones He threw over the sea and they began to float. Not that when He made that bridge with stones, they are solidified. No, they began to float. And all the monkeys went over them. So the lawmaker is Lord Ramacandra. If He likes, the stone will go down. If He doesn't like, it will float. The lawmaker is fact, not the law. Just like in the state law, today it is law, tomorrow it is no law. It depends on the lawmaker. [break] ...there is the Govardhana Hill. What law is there?
Indian man (2): Krsna's law.
Prabhupada: No, even these yogis, they can do that. Anima, laghima, mahima, prapti-siddhi. Asta-siddhi-yoga. By yogic process you can become so stout and strong that you can take a hill on your... Mahima.
Indian man (2): I may come tomorrow.
Prabhupada: Accha.
Indian man (3): I had written to you, and I think Mr. Saurabha had forwarded my letter to you, to which I got a reply, and I was asked to come and meet you today. I just require to is it the right program of the right place or right tell you what I had in mind or perhaps have in mind? I have about thirty acres of land at Udaipur, in Rajasthan. I was trying to make a campus with studios, laboratories, and residential places for these producers, stars, casts, and things. When discussing with Mr. Saurabha I was amazed that some spare land which we had thought of utilizing for horticulture, we could better utilize it for cowherds to have say one hundred cows. I have been thinking, apart from this cowherd business, I have been thinking about this campus for some time back. And when I met Giriraja and we started getting more close together, association, I thought that why not should we have a temple of Lord Krsna as the center from where we start the activities?
Prabhupada: That's nice. We must have Krsna, that's a fact. What is the next proposal? We have got experience. Caitanya Mahaprabhu also introduced this dramatic play, but the play was performed by a great devotee. So unless devotees are trained, this play will not be effective.
Indian man (3): Yes, I have discussed that also with Mr. Saurabha.
Prabhupada: [break]... The devotees who can spare time. First of all, all the devotees, they are also in the training, and if they have to learn another training, it may be very difficult.
Indian man (3): Sir, you would perhaps agree that... [break]
Prabhupada: That we are doing. Just like in New York we have got stage. So we are playing something from Caitanya-caritamrta, Bhagavata occasionally.
Indian man (1): I saw in New York one month back Ramayana-gita. In the temple I saw the Ramayana-gita. It was really very exciting. My two sons are there in New York, so I took them to the temple. So Your Divine Grace was at that time perhaps busy or something, that I couldn't have the darsana.
Prabhupada: When I was there you were also there?
Indian man (1): Yes, same day I was leaving for India. So I couldn't have your darsana I just got there. Giriraja told me... [break]
Prabhupada: What about the car(?) there? But a film project, it can be done, provided it is done in foreign countries. Here everything is expensive and lacking manpower. [break] To make a film it requires huge amount of money.
Indian man (3): Money perhaps we would be able to..., that problem we will be able to solve now because initially for the project, not only making the film, the whole project of the campus, I have got the blueprint with me. When you are little better, I'll show the blueprint and I'll have your blessings that if I am able to achieve it. What I was thinking that a short film, say, about eight to ten thousand feet, which occupies an hour and twenty minutes or so, initially made. And dubbed into as many languages as can be done, because the sound portion is always separate. And as I was discussing to Saurabha, Giriraja... [break]
Prabhupada: The life of Krsna is known almost everyone. So...
Indian man (3): Yes. And also, sir, there are...
Prabhupada: What benefit they will get?
Indian man (3): ...numerous pictures also. What we have to educate the people...
Prabhupada: [break] By practice. We are training them to practice how to become devotees. By superficial seeing the activities of Krsna, this is not... One has to practice. Just like we are going to start gurukula. Gurukula means practice. Brahmacari guru-kule vasan dantah [SB 7.12.1]. How to become self-controlled, danta. That is the... So our mission is to awaken the original consciousness, and that can be done by practice. Without practice, it is not possible. It is not by seeing some picture one becomes Krsna conscious. That is not possible.
Indian man (3): But sir, do we not convey to a larger people...
Prabhupada: That is being done through books.
Indian man (3): But sir, books are for such people who can read, who can understand.
Prabhupada: Yes, something can be done by showing the picture, but taking consideration of the labor and money invested in that way, the response will be not satisfactory. It is not possible.
Indian man (3): What I was thinking was that we have a limited...
Prabhupada: Simply by seeing that Krsna is lifting the Govardhana Hill, they'll, many of them will laugh, that "This is all mythology. A boy is lifting Govardhana Hill." Many of them will laugh instead of taking seriously. Because unless one is devotee, he cannot understand what is Krsna. And as soon as he sees the boy Krsna is lifting Govardhana Hill -- he does not understand what is Krsna-he'll laugh.
Indian man (3): That is elsewhere.
Prabhupada: Everywhere. Here also.
Yasomatinandana: Mostly here. (several Indians talking at once) (end)
Prabhupada: They like it?
Yasomatinandana: Yes. Many young people are very attracted.
Prabhupada: Yes, when real thing will be presented, it will act.
Yasomatinandana: Many people frankly admit that they had a very vague idea of religion. It is not so...
Prabhupada: Not many, all of them. They do not know what is religion. Therefore there are so many rascal religionists. And Srimad-Bhagavatam begins dharmah projjhita-kaitavo 'tra [SB 1.1.2]. All cheating type of religions kicked out from here. This is beginning. And Vrndavana dasa Thakura has translated,
prthivite yara kichu dharma-name cale
bhagavata kahe taha paripurna chale(?)
Whatever is going on throughout the whole world as religion, Bhagavata is condemning them as simply cheating. Very clear translation. Cale and chale. Chale means cheating.
Indian man: Chakapat.(?)
Prabhupada: Chakapat. So whatever is going on in the name of religion, simply cheating. Because religion means dharmam tu saksad bhagavat-pranitam [SB 6.3.19]. Religion means the laws given by God. That is religion. But they do not know who is God and what is the law. And God is coming personally, giving the laws. Sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja [Bg. 18.66]. They'll not take it. In the absence they'll say, "We have not seen God. We do not know who is God." And when He comes, they don't take. They are misguided by the leaders. Bhagavad-gita without Krsna. That's all. Take Bhagavad-gita, but don't touch Krsna. Untouchable. Take the egg and cut the throat of the chicken; it is expensive. Take only the hind part; you'll get the egg. And mouth is expensive, cut it. Ardha-kukkuti-nyaya [Cc. Adi-lila 5.176]. Very intelligent, that this part is expensive and this part is productive. Keep this part and cut. So as soon as in Bhagavad-gita we say you have to become devotee of Krsna -- no, cut. That part, cut. And Krsna said karmany evadhikaras te, and work like ass day and night. "Ah, yes, we'll do."
Yasomatinandana: That is the most favorite slogan of everybody.
Prabhupada: Yes. Because they're asses. Asses, they want... Even in Tehran, I saw the ass. This is Indian civilization. Loaded.
Indian man: With pots or something.
Prabhupada: Right. Some tons of things. The ass does not know why he is carrying so much load. Therefore mudha. What for he is carrying? What is his profit? He does not know. But he's carrying so much. "I am big industrialist. I have got so much business." What for you are doing industry? That he does not know. Ass. Karmis are described as asses. They do not know what is the interest.
Indian man (2): How does it matter what people call Krsna, whether they call Bhagavan or Visnu or what, Krsna? If it is just only one God. We are talking removing Krsna from Gita but putting Bhagavan there instead of Krsna. How does it matter?
Prabhupada: Krsna said, mattah parataram nanyat kincid asti dhananjaya [Bg. 7.7]. "There is no more superior authority than Me."
aham sarvasya prabhavo
mattah sarvam pravartate
iti matva bhajante mam
budha bhava-samanvitah
[Bg. 10.8]
bahunam janmanam ante
jnanavan mam prapadyate
[Bg. 7.19]
These things are there. Iti te jnanam akhyatam guhyad guhyataram maya. Then explain. Vimrsya, this word is there. Vimrsyaitad yathecchasi tatha kuru. Find out this verse, iti. These are strong words. Because we are misled by foolish leaders, we are confused. Otherwise everything's clear.
Yasomatinandana:
iti te jnanam akhyatam
guhyad guhyataram maya
vimrsyaitad asesena
yathecchasi tatha kuru
[Bg. 18.63]
"Thus I have explained to you the most confidential of all knowledge. Deliberate on this fully, and then do what you wish to do."
Prabhupada: What you want more? It is up to you. He has explained everything, what is karma-yoga, what is jnana-yoga, what is dhyana-yoga, what is bhakti-yoga, what is the ultimate goal-sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam [Bg. 18.66] -- He has explained everything. Now it is up to you to think over it and do whatever you like. There is no force. You are at liberty. Your question has no standing. You have to decide, if you have got intelligence, to take up the instruction of Krsna and by happy. It is up to you. What was your question? What was your question?
Indian man (2): What was my question? I said how does it matter what name we give to Krsna, whether we call Him by Bhagavan or other names...?
Prabhupada: Dog, cat, whatever you like.
Indian man (2): No. As far as for God.
Prabhupada: No, no, as you say, "Whatever you like." You can call Him a dog, a cat. You can call.
Indian man (2): The name of Bhagavan only I said.
Prabhupada: Do you know Bhagavan's name? You do not know Bhagavan. How do you know Bhagavan's name?
Indian man (2): It is interchangeably used, Krsna and Bhagavan.
Prabhupada: What is interchangeable? Here it says mam ekam. Where is interchangeable? Why you manufacture? Fertile brain. Don't make your brain fertile. That is going on, rascaldom. Interchangeable. Why interchangeable? Mam ekam. Ekam.
Indian man (2): Krsna is the only God. That's why there is no other alternative. Krsna is the God, there is no alternative.
Prabhupada: Yes. Krsna is... That is explained in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. Ete camsa-kalah pumsah krsnas tu bhagavan svayam [SB 1.3.28]. All incarnation of God is described, and the summary is given at the end that all these names, Rama, Nrsimha, Varaha, and so many, hundreds and thousands, so all of them are Krsna's plenary portion or portion of the plenary portion. Ete ca amsa-kalah. And this Krsna, tu bhagavan, He is the original. Ete ca amsa-kalah. And this Krsna, tu bhagavan, He is the original. Ete camsa-kalah pumsah krsnas tu bhagavan svayam [SB 1.3.28]. It is clearly stated. And Krsna says in Bhagavad-gita, aham sarvasya prabhavah [Bg. 10.8]. There are many incarnation of God. So many incarnations that you cannot count even. Just like it is said in the Srimad-Bhagavatam that like you cannot count the waves of the river, similarly you cannot count how many incarnations are there. But Bhagavata gives you the information that all these incarnations, innumerable incarnations, they are portions or part of the portions. But krsnas tu bhagavan svayam. And Krsna also confirms that mattah parataram nanyat [Bg. 7.7]. Aham sarvasya prabhavah: [Bg. 10.8] "I am the origin." Mam ekam saranam vraja. What is the difficulty? But unfortunately you have got fertile brain. You manufacture things. And that is your misfortune. It is better to remain a fool before the acarya. Then he'll make progress. As Caitanya Mahaprabhu said, guru more murkha dekhi' karila sasana [Cc. Adi 7.71]. "My guru saw Me a fool number one, and he has chastised Me." When Prakasananda Sarasvati asked Him that "You are a sannyasi, You are simply chanting," so He replied like that: guru more murkha dekhi' karila sasana, "My Guru Maharaja saw Me a fool number one. Therefore he has said, 'You simply chant Hare Krsna. You rascal, You cannot do anything.' So I am doing like that." He said that. He represented Himself a representative of the fools and rascals. So kalau nasty eva nasty eva nasty eva gatir anyatha. This is the only business, chant Hare Krsna. Then you gradually come to your original sense. Ceto-darpana-marjanam bhava-maha-davagni-nirvapanam [Cc. Antya 20.12]. It is very easy thing. People will not take it. They want to see magic, they want to see jugglery, they want to hear all nonsense. This is the... If you talk nonsense, cheating them, they will like it. Satya bole tomare lata yuta jagat bihar dana kali-yuga tuk lage anahaspar.(?) Krsna is speaking, but... Personally? That is not good. They'll go to some rascal who can talk jugglery and show magic. Who can show greater magic than Krsna? Who has done it? A seven-years-old boy lifting the mountain. That is mythology. When Krsna shows something wonderful, that is mythology. Mythology, Vyasadeva has written mythology. And big, big acaryas, Ramanujacarya and Madhvacarya, big, big, Caitanya Mahaprabhu, they have studied this mythology and given their comments. Another common sense is that there are hundreds and thousands and millions planets. There is no life, everywhere, rocks and sands, and everything is here? Here there are rocks and sands and there are living entities, there are forests, there is greenness, everything. Variety. Why other planets without varieties? If somebody has created, why he's so dull that he has created everything here, and everywhere simply rocks and sands? And what business he has to do this? Rocks and sand? How he has misspent his valuable time for creating rocks and sand? And wherefrom the sand came? Scientifically, sand is there where there is sea. Because sand is sodium silicate. It is manufactured from salt. So without water there is no question of sand. These things have to be considered. And rock is also combination of sand.
Indian man (2): In today's Times there is a news item. Very light, but it can be giving different sense.(?)
Prabhupada: What is that news?
Indian man (2): Somebody has given the prediction, I forget his name, but he says that in the next thirty years or so the human beings will discover some things on which gravity does not act.
Prabhupada: Something?
Yasomatinandana: Human beings will discover some things on which the law of gravity does not work.
Prabhupada: Law of gravity does not work now also. There is no question of this discovery. You take one small needle and you take one big log. The log will float and the needle will go down. The needle is so less weight, but it goes down. And the log is so heavy, it floats. Where is law of gravity?
Indian man (2): But that is, that is only relative. Both are being acted upon...
Prabhupada: Therefore relative, it is not absolute, law of gravity.
Indian man (2): The thing is, till now we are thinking that light (indistinct) things, and all our thinking was conditioned by that. At least in the scientific context.
Prabhupada: Scientific context... In Hawaii they cut all the coconuts because they are very scientist-law of gravity. But we don't care for this. We don't care. We are keeping the coconut on our head. We never think of law of gravity, that it will fall down. And those who are very much advanced in law of gravity, they have lost all the beauty of the trees, they have thrown the... They are afraid they will...
Indian man (2): Fall on the head.
Prabhupada: Yes. They will fall down. This is their gain of life. We have discussed this point. Why the green apple does not fall down? So this is their concoction. And why the other planets do not fall down? With so many rocks. Millions. They do not fall down. Where is the law of gravity acting? That means, law means it is made by somebody. And the maker, if He likes, it will act. If He does not like, it will not act. Just like Lord Ramacandra, all the stones He threw over the sea and they began to float. Not that when He made that bridge with stones, they are solidified. No, they began to float. And all the monkeys went over them. So the lawmaker is Lord Ramacandra. If He likes, the stone will go down. If He doesn't like, it will float. The lawmaker is fact, not the law. Just like in the state law, today it is law, tomorrow it is no law. It depends on the lawmaker. [break] ...there is the Govardhana Hill. What law is there?
Indian man (2): Krsna's law.
Prabhupada: No, even these yogis, they can do that. Anima, laghima, mahima, prapti-siddhi. Asta-siddhi-yoga. By yogic process you can become so stout and strong that you can take a hill on your... Mahima.
Indian man (2): I may come tomorrow.
Prabhupada: Accha.
Indian man (3): I had written to you, and I think Mr. Saurabha had forwarded my letter to you, to which I got a reply, and I was asked to come and meet you today. I just require to is it the right program of the right place or right tell you what I had in mind or perhaps have in mind? I have about thirty acres of land at Udaipur, in Rajasthan. I was trying to make a campus with studios, laboratories, and residential places for these producers, stars, casts, and things. When discussing with Mr. Saurabha I was amazed that some spare land which we had thought of utilizing for horticulture, we could better utilize it for cowherds to have say one hundred cows. I have been thinking, apart from this cowherd business, I have been thinking about this campus for some time back. And when I met Giriraja and we started getting more close together, association, I thought that why not should we have a temple of Lord Krsna as the center from where we start the activities?
Prabhupada: That's nice. We must have Krsna, that's a fact. What is the next proposal? We have got experience. Caitanya Mahaprabhu also introduced this dramatic play, but the play was performed by a great devotee. So unless devotees are trained, this play will not be effective.
Indian man (3): Yes, I have discussed that also with Mr. Saurabha.
Prabhupada: [break]... The devotees who can spare time. First of all, all the devotees, they are also in the training, and if they have to learn another training, it may be very difficult.
Indian man (3): Sir, you would perhaps agree that... [break]
Prabhupada: That we are doing. Just like in New York we have got stage. So we are playing something from Caitanya-caritamrta, Bhagavata occasionally.
Indian man (1): I saw in New York one month back Ramayana-gita. In the temple I saw the Ramayana-gita. It was really very exciting. My two sons are there in New York, so I took them to the temple. So Your Divine Grace was at that time perhaps busy or something, that I couldn't have the darsana.
Prabhupada: When I was there you were also there?
Indian man (1): Yes, same day I was leaving for India. So I couldn't have your darsana I just got there. Giriraja told me... [break]
Prabhupada: What about the car(?) there? But a film project, it can be done, provided it is done in foreign countries. Here everything is expensive and lacking manpower. [break] To make a film it requires huge amount of money.
Indian man (3): Money perhaps we would be able to..., that problem we will be able to solve now because initially for the project, not only making the film, the whole project of the campus, I have got the blueprint with me. When you are little better, I'll show the blueprint and I'll have your blessings that if I am able to achieve it. What I was thinking that a short film, say, about eight to ten thousand feet, which occupies an hour and twenty minutes or so, initially made. And dubbed into as many languages as can be done, because the sound portion is always separate. And as I was discussing to Saurabha, Giriraja... [break]
Prabhupada: The life of Krsna is known almost everyone. So...
Indian man (3): Yes. And also, sir, there are...
Prabhupada: What benefit they will get?
Indian man (3): ...numerous pictures also. What we have to educate the people...
Prabhupada: [break] By practice. We are training them to practice how to become devotees. By superficial seeing the activities of Krsna, this is not... One has to practice. Just like we are going to start gurukula. Gurukula means practice. Brahmacari guru-kule vasan dantah [SB 7.12.1]. How to become self-controlled, danta. That is the... So our mission is to awaken the original consciousness, and that can be done by practice. Without practice, it is not possible. It is not by seeing some picture one becomes Krsna conscious. That is not possible.
Indian man (3): But sir, do we not convey to a larger people...
Prabhupada: That is being done through books.
Indian man (3): But sir, books are for such people who can read, who can understand.
Prabhupada: Yes, something can be done by showing the picture, but taking consideration of the labor and money invested in that way, the response will be not satisfactory. It is not possible.
Indian man (3): What I was thinking was that we have a limited...
Prabhupada: Simply by seeing that Krsna is lifting the Govardhana Hill, they'll, many of them will laugh, that "This is all mythology. A boy is lifting Govardhana Hill." Many of them will laugh instead of taking seriously. Because unless one is devotee, he cannot understand what is Krsna. And as soon as he sees the boy Krsna is lifting Govardhana Hill -- he does not understand what is Krsna-he'll laugh.
Indian man (3): That is elsewhere.
Prabhupada: Everywhere. Here also.
Yasomatinandana: Mostly here. (several Indians talking at once) (end)
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Evening Darsana -- August 14, 1976, Bombay
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