"Disciple--Discipline"

Mayapura, March 7, 1976



Hrdayananda: ...puffed up with knowledge.

Prabhupada: What is their knowledge, nonsense? He has know...? Have they knowledge?

Bhagavan: They're trying to prove that sense gratification is bona fide.

Guru-krpa: ...and the explanation of...

Prabhupada: And where is sense gratification? As soon as nature kicks you out, where is your sense gratification?

Hrdayananda: It's a relative thing. Actually, compared to the ordinary man, he's much more intelligent.

Prabhupada: What is intelligence?

Hrdayananda: He's thinking that "I know so many things, and these other people, they don't know these things. Therefore I'm better than them."

Prabhupada: So the birds and beasts, they know better than you many things. There are many birds and beasts.

Guru-krpa: "They can't... They can't explain it."

Prabhupada: Eh?

Guru-krpa: "They can't explain it."

Prabhupada: You also cannot explain. What is explaining? All nonsense.

Guru-krpa: "Well, I can explain."

Prabhupada: "Perhaps." "Might be." "It was like this and that..." What is that explanation?

Guru-krpa: Well, the common man doesn't challenge that.

Prabhupada: Mean common men are fool. But why we should accept?

Bhagavan: If they could really explain it, so many things would not be going wrong.

Prabhupada: Hm?

Bhagavan: If they could actually explain it, so many things would not be going wrong. The thing is, their explanation causes more problems.

Satsvarupa: But they say that..., When we say that everything is done by Krsna, they say that's also "perhaps, maybe." They don't see...

Prabhupada: No, we have got evidence. Aham sarvasya prabhavo mattah sarvam pravartate [Bg. 10.8]. We have got evidence.

Satsvarupa: As we don't accept theirs, they don't accept ours.

Prabhupada: You don't accept... You don't... Why shall I accept you? You don't accept me, I don't accept you. Why you become authority?

Guru-krpa: Then they say "Finished. Get out."

Prabhupada: Yes. No, my question is that "Why they become atheists, a little knowledge, so-called scientists?"

Madhudvisa: They have to become atheists.

Prabhupada: Hm?

Madhudvisa: They have to become atheist. If they don't become atheists, then they can't play their games anymore. The idea of their research finishes as soon as you admit that there is God. But if you say, "There's no God," then they can research. It was explained that...

Prabhupada: They can continue to befool you, that, and take money. And as soon as you don't give them money, there is no research. Then they starve.

Pusta Krsna: We've seen, though, from examples in the Vedic literatures like Visvakarma and Ayur Vedic medicine, that it's possible to engage in architecture, medicine, such activities, without being atheistic. So it must not simply be that they're scientists, but that they're actually...

Bhagavan: Demons.

Pusta Krsna: Demons.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Pusta Krsna: Asuram bhavam asritah [Bg. 7.15].

Yasodanandana: The actual motive is to fill the belly.

Prabhupada: Moghasa mogha-karmanah.

Bhagavan: Actually they're envious, because they say that "There is no Supreme Person controlling," but then, on the other hand, they want to become the supreme person controlling.

Prabhupada: They cannot.

Bhagavan: So it's just a matter of envy.

Pusta Krsna: Who was that demon? He got some benediction from Lord Siva. [break] Anyone he touched, his head would fall off, but he wanted to use it against Lord Siva. [break]

Prabhupada: When one is jealous of God, then gradually jealous of everyone.

Pusta Krsna: Jealousy.

Prabhupada: Jealousy, yes.

Siddha-svarupananda: So then, if I'm jealous of others, it's really just a reflection of my jealousy of Krsna.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Siddha-svarupananda: And if I am angry at others, it's because I'm angry at Krsna also.

Prabhupada: Everything begins from Krsna. Mattah sarvam pravartate. Where is your other friend? Oh, here he is!

Tamala Krsna: Siva-jvara.

Prabhupada: All right. [break] "Jaya Prabhupada. Haribol." (laughs) They'll not touch unless I give, and they are satisfied, even one grain. That is... They don't want more, that "Give me more." No. But constantly. [break] Make folded hand. Yes. Sometimes he'll press like that, eh, to show me that I am dying. They make quick friends with old men. [break] ...a few katias(?), that is very easy. You assort the katias. You go and place, daytime. And nightime, take a katia and spread anywhere, and you can see. Indian system.

Jayapataka: Cots.

Prabhupada: Cot. Mass of cot.

Jayapataka: With rope.

Prabhupada: With rope. That's all. Small. You can keep fifty, sixty. So keep it in one place. And at night take one, and anywhere you can sleep. Very easy. (aside:) Hare Krsna.

Children: Jaya Prabhupada!

Prabhupada: Jaya. [break] ...sata-doltena malenatvam na muncyati.(?) If you take a coal and wash it, one who has... Still black.

Jayapataka: And he does not allow himself to be washed. He never comes to the temple.

Prabhupada: No. If he... A coal, however you go on with soap and other things, go on washing, it will never become clean. Angarasya sata-doltena malenatvam na muyati.(?) What is the defect? Why the...? The window is becoming black.

Jayapataka: The lids are... We purchased some new lids yesterday. The lids have been damaged. Therefore the smoke is leaking.

Prabhupada: So why damage cannot be repaired?

Jayapataka: No, we purchased yesterday. They're going to install today. [break]

Harisauri: ...has painted for your books. So he must be fairly good.

Prabhupada: If he has painted for my books, then he should be first class.

Jayapataka: He says he'll finish the one painting in five days.

Prabhupada: It doesn't matter they take five days or ten days. It must be done very nicely. [break] (children yelling, etc.) Hm. That's nice.

Madhudvisa: [break] ...attached to his hair. He will give it up if you tell him. Jaya.

Prabhupada: No, he has to voluntarily do it. Hare Krsna. (end)

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