Mayapura, March 17, 1976
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Prabhupada: [break] ...just decorate
green leaves and yellow flower. By chance? Rascals say, "By chance." It is
coming by chance? Just see. Show me anything within your experience which has
come by chance. Anything, whatever you like, show me, come by chance, which has
come by chance.Hrdayananda: I can say.... "Yes, I was, became sick by
chance."
Prabhupada: Eh?
Hrdayananda: "I became sick by chance."
Prabhupada: No, no. Then again you are rascal. You infected some disease. Then you became sick. There is no chance.
Guru-krpa: The other day, Srila Prabhupada, I went in the shower, and I turned on the shower, and the thing broke and hit me on the head. It was chance.
Prabhupada: Yes, because you are rascal, therefore it hit you.... (laughter)
Guru-krpa: So it was chance.
Prabhupada: It was not chance. You are a rascal, and you were hit on the head.... (laughs) That is not chance. The cause is your rascalism. So you cannot find out anything by chance. Madhudvisa Maharaja, you can find out anything by chance? This is simply rascaldom, chance theory.
Panca-dravida: What about...? What about gambling, Prabhupada? Somebody wins; somebody loses. That's by chance.
Prabhupada: That is not chance.
Madhudvisa: They would say, "Everything is by chance." You say green, yellow flower with green leaf. So.... But through evolution there has been so many other combinations. Now we're just...
Prabhupada: But then evolution is the cause. Then evolution is the cause. How you can say "chance"?
Madhudvisa: No, it's just many, many different combinations. Now you are seeing the yellow and green...
Prabhupada: That's all right.
Madhudvisa: ...so you are appreciating.
Prabhupada: There is a process in the evolution. Therefore you find. You cannot say it's chance.
Panca-dravida: Well the evolution happens by chance.
Prabhupada: No.
Trivikrama: Just like he said. All the trees are growing up, not one going this way, not by chance one is...
Prabhupada: Yes. Yes. Nothing by chance. It is a wrong theory.
Satsvarupa: If you throw dice, they may come up in one...
Prabhupada: Then dice becomes cause? Chance?
Satsvarupa: Well, what causes it to be seven or eleven or another number?
Panca-dravida: Chance.
Prabhupada: Not chance. You do not know. Therefore you say.
Hrdayananda: Ah! Because they don't know, they say "chance."
Trivikrama: That's right, because I don't know, ignorant.
Prabhupada: Yes. They want to cover their ignorance by this theory, "chance." They want to become very intelligent by chance. That is their.... That is not the fact. For intelligence you have to learn from a superior person. It cannot be done by chance. Who has become learned scholar by chance? There is none.
Pusta Krsna: Because that is sudra philosophy, this chance philosophy.
Prabhupada: Yes. Everyone has to work very hard, pass examination, and then he becomes an educated man. Where is by chance one has become learned?
Panca-dravida: What about two people born in the same circumstance? Each has equal education and equal background, but one becomes rich and one remains poor. That's chance.
Prabhupada: Yes. That is the fate. Fate is the cause, destiny. Otherwise, so many people are working hard. Why not everyone is becoming rich by chance? Kalena sarvatra gabhira-ramhasa. This is the instruction in the Bhagavatam. Tal labhyate duhkhavad anyatah sukham. There are two things -- happiness and distress -- and they are being controlled by the time. You have infected some disease. In time, it will come out, manifested, and the doctor say, "Oh, you infected this disease. Take this injection." The time factor. It.... You have to wait to see the result. It is not chance. As soon as you do something, immediately the reaction begins. But you do not see the result immediately, but wait and you'll find. Yes.
Madhudvisa: So we say that everything has a cause.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Madhudvisa: But then we have causeless mercy. So would that be chance?
Prabhupada: Eh?
Madhudvisa: We have also causeless mercy, meeting the pure devotee. Is that a chance?
Prabhupada: No. I.... We don't accept that chance. The causeless is a mercy. Causeless mercy is the cause.
Tamala Krsna: Yeah. The mercy is the cause.
Prabhupada: The mercy may be causeless, but the mercy is the cause.
Madhudvisa: But the which is the cause?
Pusta Krsna: The mercy is the cause.
Tamala Krsna: That's a cause.
Pusta Krsna: You did nothing to deserve it, but it's caused your good fortune.
Trivikrama: Jaya.
Satsvarupa: That poet from Ireland asked you, Srila Prabhupada, when you were in Rome. He said, "I want to know who told God all that He knows, because..."
Prabhupada: What is that?
Satsvarupa: He asked, "Who.... Who has informed God of all knowledge? Everyone has to learn from someone." So he said, "Who informed God?"
Trivikrama: Then Prabhupada said, "First you have to know what God means."
Satsvarupa: Yes, that He's svarat.
Prabhupada: I think that poet was convinced.
Trivikrama: Yes. He admitted that he was confused.
Pusta Krsna: This philosophy pervades all of modern science.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Pusta Krsna: This chance theory.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Pusta Krsna: They say that "By chance, after some time..."
Prabhupada: Because they have finished their science. They have researched and done so many years now, their scientific knowledge is liquidated. Now they are giving this chance theory, therefore, because they cannot explain anything. That's all. Their vidya buddhi is finished. That is the problem now. For the scientists, it is a problem now. Now, so far their limited knowledge is concerned, they have done everything, discovered everything. Now there is no scope of working and discovering. That is the position of the scientists.
Panca-dravida: So they should come to you.
Prabhupada: Well, that is another thing. Rut this is their actual position. Now their position is how to bluff and get money, because talk is finished. Now bluffing stock is now finished. Now they have to give theories like this "chance" and make big, big words, jugglery.
Tamala Krsna: Why don't they make research into consciousness?
Prabhupada: What they'll be finished? Whatever their limited knowledge they possess, that is finished now. They have no scope.
Tamala Krsna: They should look to the field of consciousness.
Dharmadhyaksa: They are doing it now, but they are studying the brain. They think the brain is the source of consciousness. So they study people...
Prabhupada: So wherefrom the brain came? What they'll answer?
Dharmadhyaksa: Well, it has evolved.
Prabhupada: Again by chance. "Brain became by chance." That means failure of their stock.
Dharmadhyaksa: I heard one professor in Berkeley...
Prabhupada: You, you prepare brain, or keep something that by chance there will be a brain.
Tamala Krsna: Make a monkey's brain by chance.
Yasodanandana: In the Srimad-Bhagavatam, in one of your purports, you mention that great scientists like Einstein, Newton and Chandra Bose had such great brains, but who has created their brain?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Yasodanandana: This is a very clever argument of Your Divine Grace.
Prabhupada: Yes. Yes.
Yasodanandana: That they will not research.
Prabhupada: We are appreciating the brain of big, big scientist. But who has created that brain? No appreciation. Just see how fool they are. You cannot create that brain. You create another contemporary brain like that big, big man. Even that big man cannot. The big men, before dying, he should have considered, "Now I'll die now. Let me create another brain like me, and that will work." That they cannot do.
Panca-dravida: So they think chance.
Prabhupada: So there must be third man, third brain who has created. You cannot do it.
Yasodanandana: There is actual proof, Prabhupada, that when these scientists and great, so-called poets, when they die, refusing to admit the authority of God, they die a very terrible death. Just like in France there used to be a great philosopher named Voltaire, and at the end of his life, because his whole writings and existence he tried to disprove the existence of God, he went insane, and he was eating his own stool and urine. And a priest came to him and said, "Why don't you accept the existence of God? You have become such great poet." He said, "I will never accept the existence of God." But he became to the point where he was eating his own stool and urine.
Prabhupada: Just see.
Yasodanandana: This has been recorded...
Prabhupada: This is the punishment, yes. Punishment there is always. But they are so stubborn fools still.
Dharmadhyaksa: Prabhupada, the one great brain researcher, he spent nineteen years searching for the memory in the brain.
Prabhupada: There is a story that two friends talking that, on the point that "How this was cut, separated?" So one friend said, "It is by knife." And the other friend said, "No, it was by scissor." So they went on.... One said, "No! It is knife." He said, "No! It is scissor." So the knife man was very strong. So he took him to the water, that "You say it is knife. Otherwise I shall drown you." (laughter) So he said, "I'll never say." Then he said.... When he was drowning, he was doing like this, (Prabhupada gesticulates) (laughter) "Scissor, scissor." When he was actually drowned and he had no other means to say, then he was doing like this: "It is scissor. It is scissor." This is their argument. However punished they may be, they'll do this. (laughter)
Madhudvisa: [break] ...that you are too impatient.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Madhudvisa: They will say that you are too impatient. We see that in all science there's been a natural progression. Now they have.... In the test tube they have made some tissues, and the tissues are sustaining themselves and are living. So in due course, they'll be able to create some functioning brain.
Prabhupada: Then what is the use of your creation? It is already created. Why you are, rascal, working? Why?
Madhudvisa: We can create a better brain.
Prabhupada: No.
Madhudvisa: By our scientific endeavor.
Prabhupada: You cannot do even a lesser. How you can expect to do...?
Trivikrama: Post-dated check again.
Prabhupada: Again the same.
Madhudvisa: But you must give us some time because we are working hard...
Prabhupada: I shall. I shall give you kick. (laughter) I shall give you kick. And no time. I shall give you kick.
Madhudvisa: Well that's not very scientific.
Prabhupada: No. It is scientific. You are a stubborn.... "Scissor philosophy."
Dharmadhyaksa: Most brain researchers admit they could never create a brain.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Dharmadhyaksa: Most brain scientists will admit they could never make a brain. Too difficult.
Hrdayananda: Scissor philosophy.
Tamala Krsna: Scissor philosophy.
Hrdayananda: Scissor philosophy and the frog philosophy.
Dharmadhyaksa: [break] ...something else.
Prabhupada: Just see. They.... At last, they'll accept: "Yes, I foolish. Yes."
Hamsaduta: Then they get a prize.
Prabhupada: So if I say from the beginning that "You are foolish," I am helping him because he has to admit at the end that he's a foolish.
Dharmadhyaksa: He was one of the biggest brain researchers. He had to admit there was a mind, there was something else other than the brain.
Tamala Krsna: Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Tamala Krsna: When I was in America, I got one report. One person was telling me they had read of this person. It shows the limit..., how unlimited one can eat anything. This one man, he has, he has been for twenty years eating an automobile. He takes the different parts of the automobile, grinding it down, and daily eats different parts of it.
Prabhupada: Accha? Just see. Madman. There is iron, metal. He was eating?
Tamala Krsna: He's eating by grinding it very finely into powder. He's.... His program is to consume one entire automobile-tires, windshield, everything.
Dharmadhyaksa: Just so he'll become famous.
Prabhupada: And how he'll live?
Tamala Krsna: Apparently he takes a little enough quantity that it doesn't disturb. And it's ground down very finely into powder.
Trivikrama: He eats other stuff too.
Tamala Krsna: Yeah, he eats other things also, meat.
Prabhupada: Oh.
Guru-krpa: I talked to one lady. She was daily eating one glass of dirt.
Prabhupada: Who?
Guru-krpa: Soil. One lady was eating soil, one glass, saying it was good for health.
Tamala Krsna: I think the goat, the animal, the goat, they eat cans. They can eat metal.
Prabhupada: Yes. Yes. The pigeons, they can eat stone.
Pusta Krsna: Srila Prabhupada, you once explained how the cow eats grass, and it produces such a rich vitamin food like milk.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Pusta Krsna: So you asked me the question, "Is there vitamins in the grass?" And obviously there's not such vitamins in grass that it produces milk. So the vitamins are coming from Krsna? Yes?
Prabhupada: Yes. Because if you eat grass, considering that there is vitamins -- "There is indeed" -- then you'll die.
Tamala Krsna: Of course, Karttikeya Mahadeviya...
Prabhupada: Eh?
Tamala Krsna: Mr. Mahadeviya, he might talk upon this point-wheat grass.
Panca-dravida: But cows aren't all eating wheat grass.
Prabhupada: Cows are eating grass, dry grass, and giving you nice milk. Now, if you eat it -- "There is vitamins. Let me eat" -- you'll die. So who made this arrangement?
Guru-krpa: They may argue, though, that even women give milk after there's baby, and they eat all sorts of things.
Prabhupada: They eat grass?
Guru-krpa: They eat meat. They eat fish. They are making milk also.
Prabhupada: Milk is there, but it is not that it is due to eating such and such.
Panca-dravida: Yeah, that doesn't prove anything.
Prabhupada: Yes. Milk is there.
Balavanta: If a woman doesn't drink cow's milk, she can't make other milk.
Madhudvisa: No, they will say that if the cow is fed, given good feed, then the milk is better.
Prabhupada: Hmm?
Madhudvisa: If the cow is given good feed, then the milk is much better.
Prabhupada: No, that I.... That I admit. But one thing is that you practically see the cow is eating dry grass and giving you full of vitamins milk. So that does not mean that dry grass is the cause of vitamins? Otherwise you could eat also the dry grass instead of purchasing vitamin pills. Your country is very much fond of vitamin pills. You eat grass. Why you are after vitamin pills? Hm? Saurabha Prabhu? You can take vitamin pills with grass?
Dharmadhyaksa: Srila Prabhupada, we saw a science film in Stanford, and one process of protein synthesis they called "The Magic Factor."
Prabhupada: Again, that cau...
Dharmadhyaksa: They didn't...
Prabhupada: Chance. Magic is also a chance.
Dharmadhyaksa: So that must have been the Krsna factor.
Guru-krpa: Everything else but Krsna. Magic.
Prabhupada: [break] You see the tree, coconut tree, the hard nut and the water. Now, according to scientific idea, there must be pipe, there must be pumping and there must be water. Then you can raise the water. But where is such, such things? How the water is coming?
Panca-dravida: To the tree?
Prabhupada: Yes, on the top, so high. There is no pipe. There is no pump, nothing. You do it. Instead of calling a plumber, you do something that the water will come in this tank.
Devotee (2): Well, they will say that the roots of the tree is bringing the water up.
Prabhupada: That is a nonsense. You make such root and bring water here. Then your scientific knowledge will be proved. But you cannot do it. Can you do it? We are spending so much money for bringing water. Bring that root and bring water.
Madhudvisa: We have done better. We can do it faster. Within, within a few minutes we can bring so much water here. You must...
Prabhupada: But if I don't pay you, you'll starve. You'll never be able to do it if I don't pay you.
Madhudvisa: Well, we have money. So we have become more...
Prabhupada: No, you have no money. You have not money. Therefore you are working on my order. You have no money. You have no money.
Madhudvisa: I know.
Prabhupada: I know it.
Radhavallabha: Srila Prabhupada, there was one story in the magazine National Geographic of a valuable diamond, the Hope Diamond, the most valuable in the world, that was stolen from a deity of Sita-devi. So every single person that has ever gotten the diamond has been killed.
Prabhupada: Sita-devi?
Radhavallabha: Yes, a deity of Sita-devi. They stole the diamond from this deity in India.
Prabhupada: When?
Radhavallabha: Many years ago.
Guru-krpa: This diamond is in the Washington...
Radhavallabha: Yes. Smithsonian.
Guru-krpa: ...Institute. Washington, D.C. The biggest diamond in the world.
Radhavallabha: Anyone that's ever stole it's been killed. Everyone is very much afraid now. They can't understand why everyone is dying that has taken the diamond.
Tamala Krsna: Stolen?
Trivikrama: Stolen from India?
Prabhupada: No.... Oh.
Gurudasa(?): Ravana's. Who stole it?
Madhudvisa: The largest diamond in the world?
Prabhupada: Well, the Britishers, they stolen so many diamonds from India.
Trivikrama: Yes.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Trivikrama: The whole British Museum.
Prabhupada: Yes. Whole British Museum means stolen properties from many countries, that's all, especially in India.
Yasodanandana: Prabhupada, I have heard that previously in India, some pandita says, that when they used to put the jewels on the Deities they used to put some mantra that, when they install the Deity, that "Whoever takes this mantra will never be able to have peace or will die," some curse mantras.
Yasodanandana: Whoever steals the jewels.
Prabhupada: Yes. It is possible.
Radhavallabha: Even just recently they were laughing at this curse, and they took the jewel from Sita-devi in their car to go to the museum, and their car crashed on the way.
Panca-dravida: Did they die?
Radhavallabha: No, they didn't die. A severe crash, though.
Prabhupada: Don't you think the whole British nation is now ruined?
Tamala Krsna: That has crashed.
Prabhupada: What do you want more? "But he has not suffered. He has simply died." This is the argument. He has suffered. But "No, no, there was no suffering. He has simply died." What is the more suffering than death? [break]
Panca-dravida: When somebody is dying and his external consciousness is completely absorbed in all kinds of terrible bodily symptoms, how is it that a devotee remembers Krsna? What is actually happening that he's able to remember Krsna?
Prabhupada: Devotee generally remembers Krsna. But even if he cannot, Krsna will help him.
Devotees: Oh.
Prabhupada: That is guarantee. Kaunteya pratijanihi na me bhaktah pranasyati [Bg. 9.31]. Because he is devotee, for material condition he could not remember, but Krsna remembers, "Yes," that "he has done so much for Me."
Tamala Krsna: Yeah, otherwise...
Pusta Krsna: Otherwise, it's just mechanical.
Tamala Krsna: Mechanical
Prabhupada: No. That is.... That is stated in the Bhagavad-gita, that.... He was giving the condition. Then, when Arjuna was little disturbed, so He said immediately, "Arjuna, you have no fear." Did you not read this portion?
Panca-dravida: Then.... Then that verse, yam yam vapi smaran bhavam [Bg. 8.6], is for...
Prabhupada: Yes, that is general. But a devotee, because Krsna has taken charge of him, even he does not remember Krsna, still, Krsna is there.
Trivikrama: "I carry what you lack..."
Jayapataka: Krsna said, "I am the cause of remembrance and forgetfulness."
Prabhupada: Yes. Generally devotee dies remembering Krsna, generally. But even if for material condition he cannot, then Krsna is taken charge.
Panca-dravida: What was the arrangement with Bharata Maharaja?
Prabhupada: And there is no question of hopelessness, no. We have to do our duty very seriously. Then everything is all right.
Panca-dravida: So with Bharata Maharaja, that was special arrangement?
Prabhupada: No. It was.... It was punishment. He became so much, I mean, attached with the animal that he forgot his duty in devotional service. That is stated. Forgot. He neglected. Therefore he was punished, but he remembered that "I did it." You cannot neglect your duty. Then Krsna is always with you. [break] ...way, a soldier is dying in duty, immediately the government takes charge of the whole family. So that is.... Why not Krsna? [break] ...krsna visvasa palana. Bhaktivinoda Thakura has said. You know this song? Avasya raksibe krsna visvasa palana.
Jayapataka: "If one maintains his faith, then Krsna..."
Prabhupada: Ah! Yes. One should maintain his faith that "Krsna will give me protection. And my duty is to serve Him." That's it.
Panca-dravida: When it says in the sastra that a hundred generations past and future of a devotee, they're liberated, what kind of liberation do they get?
Devotees: Fourteen.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Panca-dravida: What kind of liberation does the family get of a pure devotee?
Pusta Krsna: One who becomes a devotee, the statement is that fourteen generations of his family, past, present and future, become liberated. So what kind of liberation does the family members of a pure Vaisnava get?
Prabhupada: Liberation means -- that is explained by Caitanya Mahaprabhu -- to become devotee. That is liberation. To become.... To become a devotee is itself liberation. [break] ...will come. Prasadam? Is there any such arrangement or not? They are coming. They should be offered some...
Pusta Krsna: You mentioned the pots of halava.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Pusta Krsna: The pots of halava. I inquired about it, and they said that semolina is very difficult to get now, that the government has only allotted some eighty pounds of semolina to be purchased.
Prabhupada: No, it doesn't matter, but give him prasadam, other prasadam. (aside:) Hare Krsna. [break] ...halava with powdered dahl or...
Panca-dravida: Powdered dahl. They could use whole wheat flour?
Prabhupada: Hm?
Panca-dravida: Whole wheat flour, they could use in?
Prabhupada: Oh, yes.
Devotee (3): ...in right proportions. (boys shout)
Prabhupada: What they say? What is the quarrel? [break] ...nice, South Indian. Oh, very nice. How many seats are there?
Devotee (4): Say about four(?) seats. Prabhupada, four devotees went from Hyderabad, going through Orissa and coming to Mayapura for the festival.
Prabhupada: Very good.
Devotee (4): Going about five, six months, they have traveled all over.
Prabhupada: Many people assembled on the way?
Devotee (4): Yes, because they were stopping in every village and distributing literature, giving away prasadam.
Prabhupada: Hm. (aside:) Hare Krsna. Jaya. (pause) Hm. It is dirty.
Tamala Krsna: Very much dust.
Radhavallabha: Thousands of people went through last night.
Madhudvisa: I don't think we can prevent that, Srila Prabhupada. So much traffic.
Tamala Krsna: Foot traffic. I think it should be dusted off.
Radhavallabha: The whole display will be cleaned this morning.
Pusta Krsna: [break] Tokyo, Japan, and Philadelphia.
Balavanta: That's Philadelphia.
Radhavallabha: That was when you were there, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: Oh. Oh, yes. (pause) Therefore our mission is to bring Mayapura everywhere.
Devotee (5): Jaya.
Prabhupada: This is the greatest peace movement, to bring peace to the suffering humanity.
Hamsaduta: If a devotee thinks that he likes, for example, Vrndavana more than he likes Mayapura, is that a wrong thinking, or is that his personal...?
Prabhupada: There is no difference. Gauda-mandala-bhumi, yeba jane cintamani.
Hamsaduta: Just like some devotees, they worship Rama, and some worship Krsna. It is like that?
Prabhupada: They know there is no difference from Vrndavana. They are not so fool...
Hamsaduta: Not so...
Prabhupada: (Bengali) (end)
Prabhupada: Eh?
Hrdayananda: "I became sick by chance."
Prabhupada: No, no. Then again you are rascal. You infected some disease. Then you became sick. There is no chance.
Guru-krpa: The other day, Srila Prabhupada, I went in the shower, and I turned on the shower, and the thing broke and hit me on the head. It was chance.
Prabhupada: Yes, because you are rascal, therefore it hit you.... (laughter)
Guru-krpa: So it was chance.
Prabhupada: It was not chance. You are a rascal, and you were hit on the head.... (laughs) That is not chance. The cause is your rascalism. So you cannot find out anything by chance. Madhudvisa Maharaja, you can find out anything by chance? This is simply rascaldom, chance theory.
Panca-dravida: What about...? What about gambling, Prabhupada? Somebody wins; somebody loses. That's by chance.
Prabhupada: That is not chance.
Madhudvisa: They would say, "Everything is by chance." You say green, yellow flower with green leaf. So.... But through evolution there has been so many other combinations. Now we're just...
Prabhupada: But then evolution is the cause. Then evolution is the cause. How you can say "chance"?
Madhudvisa: No, it's just many, many different combinations. Now you are seeing the yellow and green...
Prabhupada: That's all right.
Madhudvisa: ...so you are appreciating.
Prabhupada: There is a process in the evolution. Therefore you find. You cannot say it's chance.
Panca-dravida: Well the evolution happens by chance.
Prabhupada: No.
Trivikrama: Just like he said. All the trees are growing up, not one going this way, not by chance one is...
Prabhupada: Yes. Yes. Nothing by chance. It is a wrong theory.
Satsvarupa: If you throw dice, they may come up in one...
Prabhupada: Then dice becomes cause? Chance?
Satsvarupa: Well, what causes it to be seven or eleven or another number?
Panca-dravida: Chance.
Prabhupada: Not chance. You do not know. Therefore you say.
Hrdayananda: Ah! Because they don't know, they say "chance."
Trivikrama: That's right, because I don't know, ignorant.
Prabhupada: Yes. They want to cover their ignorance by this theory, "chance." They want to become very intelligent by chance. That is their.... That is not the fact. For intelligence you have to learn from a superior person. It cannot be done by chance. Who has become learned scholar by chance? There is none.
Pusta Krsna: Because that is sudra philosophy, this chance philosophy.
Prabhupada: Yes. Everyone has to work very hard, pass examination, and then he becomes an educated man. Where is by chance one has become learned?
Panca-dravida: What about two people born in the same circumstance? Each has equal education and equal background, but one becomes rich and one remains poor. That's chance.
Prabhupada: Yes. That is the fate. Fate is the cause, destiny. Otherwise, so many people are working hard. Why not everyone is becoming rich by chance? Kalena sarvatra gabhira-ramhasa. This is the instruction in the Bhagavatam. Tal labhyate duhkhavad anyatah sukham. There are two things -- happiness and distress -- and they are being controlled by the time. You have infected some disease. In time, it will come out, manifested, and the doctor say, "Oh, you infected this disease. Take this injection." The time factor. It.... You have to wait to see the result. It is not chance. As soon as you do something, immediately the reaction begins. But you do not see the result immediately, but wait and you'll find. Yes.
Madhudvisa: So we say that everything has a cause.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Madhudvisa: But then we have causeless mercy. So would that be chance?
Prabhupada: Eh?
Madhudvisa: We have also causeless mercy, meeting the pure devotee. Is that a chance?
Prabhupada: No. I.... We don't accept that chance. The causeless is a mercy. Causeless mercy is the cause.
Tamala Krsna: Yeah. The mercy is the cause.
Prabhupada: The mercy may be causeless, but the mercy is the cause.
Madhudvisa: But the which is the cause?
Pusta Krsna: The mercy is the cause.
Tamala Krsna: That's a cause.
Pusta Krsna: You did nothing to deserve it, but it's caused your good fortune.
Trivikrama: Jaya.
Satsvarupa: That poet from Ireland asked you, Srila Prabhupada, when you were in Rome. He said, "I want to know who told God all that He knows, because..."
Prabhupada: What is that?
Satsvarupa: He asked, "Who.... Who has informed God of all knowledge? Everyone has to learn from someone." So he said, "Who informed God?"
Trivikrama: Then Prabhupada said, "First you have to know what God means."
Satsvarupa: Yes, that He's svarat.
Prabhupada: I think that poet was convinced.
Trivikrama: Yes. He admitted that he was confused.
Pusta Krsna: This philosophy pervades all of modern science.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Pusta Krsna: This chance theory.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Pusta Krsna: They say that "By chance, after some time..."
Prabhupada: Because they have finished their science. They have researched and done so many years now, their scientific knowledge is liquidated. Now they are giving this chance theory, therefore, because they cannot explain anything. That's all. Their vidya buddhi is finished. That is the problem now. For the scientists, it is a problem now. Now, so far their limited knowledge is concerned, they have done everything, discovered everything. Now there is no scope of working and discovering. That is the position of the scientists.
Panca-dravida: So they should come to you.
Prabhupada: Well, that is another thing. Rut this is their actual position. Now their position is how to bluff and get money, because talk is finished. Now bluffing stock is now finished. Now they have to give theories like this "chance" and make big, big words, jugglery.
Tamala Krsna: Why don't they make research into consciousness?
Prabhupada: What they'll be finished? Whatever their limited knowledge they possess, that is finished now. They have no scope.
Tamala Krsna: They should look to the field of consciousness.
Dharmadhyaksa: They are doing it now, but they are studying the brain. They think the brain is the source of consciousness. So they study people...
Prabhupada: So wherefrom the brain came? What they'll answer?
Dharmadhyaksa: Well, it has evolved.
Prabhupada: Again by chance. "Brain became by chance." That means failure of their stock.
Dharmadhyaksa: I heard one professor in Berkeley...
Prabhupada: You, you prepare brain, or keep something that by chance there will be a brain.
Tamala Krsna: Make a monkey's brain by chance.
Yasodanandana: In the Srimad-Bhagavatam, in one of your purports, you mention that great scientists like Einstein, Newton and Chandra Bose had such great brains, but who has created their brain?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Yasodanandana: This is a very clever argument of Your Divine Grace.
Prabhupada: Yes. Yes.
Yasodanandana: That they will not research.
Prabhupada: We are appreciating the brain of big, big scientist. But who has created that brain? No appreciation. Just see how fool they are. You cannot create that brain. You create another contemporary brain like that big, big man. Even that big man cannot. The big men, before dying, he should have considered, "Now I'll die now. Let me create another brain like me, and that will work." That they cannot do.
Panca-dravida: So they think chance.
Prabhupada: So there must be third man, third brain who has created. You cannot do it.
Yasodanandana: There is actual proof, Prabhupada, that when these scientists and great, so-called poets, when they die, refusing to admit the authority of God, they die a very terrible death. Just like in France there used to be a great philosopher named Voltaire, and at the end of his life, because his whole writings and existence he tried to disprove the existence of God, he went insane, and he was eating his own stool and urine. And a priest came to him and said, "Why don't you accept the existence of God? You have become such great poet." He said, "I will never accept the existence of God." But he became to the point where he was eating his own stool and urine.
Prabhupada: Just see.
Yasodanandana: This has been recorded...
Prabhupada: This is the punishment, yes. Punishment there is always. But they are so stubborn fools still.
Dharmadhyaksa: Prabhupada, the one great brain researcher, he spent nineteen years searching for the memory in the brain.
Prabhupada: There is a story that two friends talking that, on the point that "How this was cut, separated?" So one friend said, "It is by knife." And the other friend said, "No, it was by scissor." So they went on.... One said, "No! It is knife." He said, "No! It is scissor." So the knife man was very strong. So he took him to the water, that "You say it is knife. Otherwise I shall drown you." (laughter) So he said, "I'll never say." Then he said.... When he was drowning, he was doing like this, (Prabhupada gesticulates) (laughter) "Scissor, scissor." When he was actually drowned and he had no other means to say, then he was doing like this: "It is scissor. It is scissor." This is their argument. However punished they may be, they'll do this. (laughter)
Madhudvisa: [break] ...that you are too impatient.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Madhudvisa: They will say that you are too impatient. We see that in all science there's been a natural progression. Now they have.... In the test tube they have made some tissues, and the tissues are sustaining themselves and are living. So in due course, they'll be able to create some functioning brain.
Prabhupada: Then what is the use of your creation? It is already created. Why you are, rascal, working? Why?
Madhudvisa: We can create a better brain.
Prabhupada: No.
Madhudvisa: By our scientific endeavor.
Prabhupada: You cannot do even a lesser. How you can expect to do...?
Trivikrama: Post-dated check again.
Prabhupada: Again the same.
Madhudvisa: But you must give us some time because we are working hard...
Prabhupada: I shall. I shall give you kick. (laughter) I shall give you kick. And no time. I shall give you kick.
Madhudvisa: Well that's not very scientific.
Prabhupada: No. It is scientific. You are a stubborn.... "Scissor philosophy."
Dharmadhyaksa: Most brain researchers admit they could never create a brain.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Dharmadhyaksa: Most brain scientists will admit they could never make a brain. Too difficult.
Hrdayananda: Scissor philosophy.
Tamala Krsna: Scissor philosophy.
Hrdayananda: Scissor philosophy and the frog philosophy.
Dharmadhyaksa: [break] ...something else.
Prabhupada: Just see. They.... At last, they'll accept: "Yes, I foolish. Yes."
Hamsaduta: Then they get a prize.
Prabhupada: So if I say from the beginning that "You are foolish," I am helping him because he has to admit at the end that he's a foolish.
Dharmadhyaksa: He was one of the biggest brain researchers. He had to admit there was a mind, there was something else other than the brain.
Tamala Krsna: Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Tamala Krsna: When I was in America, I got one report. One person was telling me they had read of this person. It shows the limit..., how unlimited one can eat anything. This one man, he has, he has been for twenty years eating an automobile. He takes the different parts of the automobile, grinding it down, and daily eats different parts of it.
Prabhupada: Accha? Just see. Madman. There is iron, metal. He was eating?
Tamala Krsna: He's eating by grinding it very finely into powder. He's.... His program is to consume one entire automobile-tires, windshield, everything.
Dharmadhyaksa: Just so he'll become famous.
Prabhupada: And how he'll live?
Tamala Krsna: Apparently he takes a little enough quantity that it doesn't disturb. And it's ground down very finely into powder.
Trivikrama: He eats other stuff too.
Tamala Krsna: Yeah, he eats other things also, meat.
Prabhupada: Oh.
Guru-krpa: I talked to one lady. She was daily eating one glass of dirt.
Prabhupada: Who?
Guru-krpa: Soil. One lady was eating soil, one glass, saying it was good for health.
Tamala Krsna: I think the goat, the animal, the goat, they eat cans. They can eat metal.
Prabhupada: Yes. Yes. The pigeons, they can eat stone.
Pusta Krsna: Srila Prabhupada, you once explained how the cow eats grass, and it produces such a rich vitamin food like milk.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Pusta Krsna: So you asked me the question, "Is there vitamins in the grass?" And obviously there's not such vitamins in grass that it produces milk. So the vitamins are coming from Krsna? Yes?
Prabhupada: Yes. Because if you eat grass, considering that there is vitamins -- "There is indeed" -- then you'll die.
Tamala Krsna: Of course, Karttikeya Mahadeviya...
Prabhupada: Eh?
Tamala Krsna: Mr. Mahadeviya, he might talk upon this point-wheat grass.
Panca-dravida: But cows aren't all eating wheat grass.
Prabhupada: Cows are eating grass, dry grass, and giving you nice milk. Now, if you eat it -- "There is vitamins. Let me eat" -- you'll die. So who made this arrangement?
Guru-krpa: They may argue, though, that even women give milk after there's baby, and they eat all sorts of things.
Prabhupada: They eat grass?
Guru-krpa: They eat meat. They eat fish. They are making milk also.
Prabhupada: Milk is there, but it is not that it is due to eating such and such.
Panca-dravida: Yeah, that doesn't prove anything.
Prabhupada: Yes. Milk is there.
Balavanta: If a woman doesn't drink cow's milk, she can't make other milk.
Madhudvisa: No, they will say that if the cow is fed, given good feed, then the milk is better.
Prabhupada: Hmm?
Madhudvisa: If the cow is given good feed, then the milk is much better.
Prabhupada: No, that I.... That I admit. But one thing is that you practically see the cow is eating dry grass and giving you full of vitamins milk. So that does not mean that dry grass is the cause of vitamins? Otherwise you could eat also the dry grass instead of purchasing vitamin pills. Your country is very much fond of vitamin pills. You eat grass. Why you are after vitamin pills? Hm? Saurabha Prabhu? You can take vitamin pills with grass?
Dharmadhyaksa: Srila Prabhupada, we saw a science film in Stanford, and one process of protein synthesis they called "The Magic Factor."
Prabhupada: Again, that cau...
Dharmadhyaksa: They didn't...
Prabhupada: Chance. Magic is also a chance.
Dharmadhyaksa: So that must have been the Krsna factor.
Guru-krpa: Everything else but Krsna. Magic.
Prabhupada: [break] You see the tree, coconut tree, the hard nut and the water. Now, according to scientific idea, there must be pipe, there must be pumping and there must be water. Then you can raise the water. But where is such, such things? How the water is coming?
Panca-dravida: To the tree?
Prabhupada: Yes, on the top, so high. There is no pipe. There is no pump, nothing. You do it. Instead of calling a plumber, you do something that the water will come in this tank.
Devotee (2): Well, they will say that the roots of the tree is bringing the water up.
Prabhupada: That is a nonsense. You make such root and bring water here. Then your scientific knowledge will be proved. But you cannot do it. Can you do it? We are spending so much money for bringing water. Bring that root and bring water.
Madhudvisa: We have done better. We can do it faster. Within, within a few minutes we can bring so much water here. You must...
Prabhupada: But if I don't pay you, you'll starve. You'll never be able to do it if I don't pay you.
Madhudvisa: Well, we have money. So we have become more...
Prabhupada: No, you have no money. You have not money. Therefore you are working on my order. You have no money. You have no money.
Madhudvisa: I know.
Prabhupada: I know it.
Radhavallabha: Srila Prabhupada, there was one story in the magazine National Geographic of a valuable diamond, the Hope Diamond, the most valuable in the world, that was stolen from a deity of Sita-devi. So every single person that has ever gotten the diamond has been killed.
Prabhupada: Sita-devi?
Radhavallabha: Yes, a deity of Sita-devi. They stole the diamond from this deity in India.
Prabhupada: When?
Radhavallabha: Many years ago.
Guru-krpa: This diamond is in the Washington...
Radhavallabha: Yes. Smithsonian.
Guru-krpa: ...Institute. Washington, D.C. The biggest diamond in the world.
Radhavallabha: Anyone that's ever stole it's been killed. Everyone is very much afraid now. They can't understand why everyone is dying that has taken the diamond.
Tamala Krsna: Stolen?
Trivikrama: Stolen from India?
Prabhupada: No.... Oh.
Gurudasa(?): Ravana's. Who stole it?
Madhudvisa: The largest diamond in the world?
Prabhupada: Well, the Britishers, they stolen so many diamonds from India.
Trivikrama: Yes.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Trivikrama: The whole British Museum.
Prabhupada: Yes. Whole British Museum means stolen properties from many countries, that's all, especially in India.
Yasodanandana: Prabhupada, I have heard that previously in India, some pandita says, that when they used to put the jewels on the Deities they used to put some mantra that, when they install the Deity, that "Whoever takes this mantra will never be able to have peace or will die," some curse mantras.
Yasodanandana: Whoever steals the jewels.
Prabhupada: Yes. It is possible.
Radhavallabha: Even just recently they were laughing at this curse, and they took the jewel from Sita-devi in their car to go to the museum, and their car crashed on the way.
Panca-dravida: Did they die?
Radhavallabha: No, they didn't die. A severe crash, though.
Prabhupada: Don't you think the whole British nation is now ruined?
Tamala Krsna: That has crashed.
Prabhupada: What do you want more? "But he has not suffered. He has simply died." This is the argument. He has suffered. But "No, no, there was no suffering. He has simply died." What is the more suffering than death? [break]
Panca-dravida: When somebody is dying and his external consciousness is completely absorbed in all kinds of terrible bodily symptoms, how is it that a devotee remembers Krsna? What is actually happening that he's able to remember Krsna?
Prabhupada: Devotee generally remembers Krsna. But even if he cannot, Krsna will help him.
Devotees: Oh.
Prabhupada: That is guarantee. Kaunteya pratijanihi na me bhaktah pranasyati [Bg. 9.31]. Because he is devotee, for material condition he could not remember, but Krsna remembers, "Yes," that "he has done so much for Me."
Tamala Krsna: Yeah, otherwise...
Pusta Krsna: Otherwise, it's just mechanical.
Tamala Krsna: Mechanical
Prabhupada: No. That is.... That is stated in the Bhagavad-gita, that.... He was giving the condition. Then, when Arjuna was little disturbed, so He said immediately, "Arjuna, you have no fear." Did you not read this portion?
Panca-dravida: Then.... Then that verse, yam yam vapi smaran bhavam [Bg. 8.6], is for...
Prabhupada: Yes, that is general. But a devotee, because Krsna has taken charge of him, even he does not remember Krsna, still, Krsna is there.
Trivikrama: "I carry what you lack..."
Jayapataka: Krsna said, "I am the cause of remembrance and forgetfulness."
Prabhupada: Yes. Generally devotee dies remembering Krsna, generally. But even if for material condition he cannot, then Krsna is taken charge.
Panca-dravida: What was the arrangement with Bharata Maharaja?
Prabhupada: And there is no question of hopelessness, no. We have to do our duty very seriously. Then everything is all right.
Panca-dravida: So with Bharata Maharaja, that was special arrangement?
Prabhupada: No. It was.... It was punishment. He became so much, I mean, attached with the animal that he forgot his duty in devotional service. That is stated. Forgot. He neglected. Therefore he was punished, but he remembered that "I did it." You cannot neglect your duty. Then Krsna is always with you. [break] ...way, a soldier is dying in duty, immediately the government takes charge of the whole family. So that is.... Why not Krsna? [break] ...krsna visvasa palana. Bhaktivinoda Thakura has said. You know this song? Avasya raksibe krsna visvasa palana.
Jayapataka: "If one maintains his faith, then Krsna..."
Prabhupada: Ah! Yes. One should maintain his faith that "Krsna will give me protection. And my duty is to serve Him." That's it.
Panca-dravida: When it says in the sastra that a hundred generations past and future of a devotee, they're liberated, what kind of liberation do they get?
Devotees: Fourteen.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Panca-dravida: What kind of liberation does the family get of a pure devotee?
Pusta Krsna: One who becomes a devotee, the statement is that fourteen generations of his family, past, present and future, become liberated. So what kind of liberation does the family members of a pure Vaisnava get?
Prabhupada: Liberation means -- that is explained by Caitanya Mahaprabhu -- to become devotee. That is liberation. To become.... To become a devotee is itself liberation. [break] ...will come. Prasadam? Is there any such arrangement or not? They are coming. They should be offered some...
Pusta Krsna: You mentioned the pots of halava.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Pusta Krsna: The pots of halava. I inquired about it, and they said that semolina is very difficult to get now, that the government has only allotted some eighty pounds of semolina to be purchased.
Prabhupada: No, it doesn't matter, but give him prasadam, other prasadam. (aside:) Hare Krsna. [break] ...halava with powdered dahl or...
Panca-dravida: Powdered dahl. They could use whole wheat flour?
Prabhupada: Hm?
Panca-dravida: Whole wheat flour, they could use in?
Prabhupada: Oh, yes.
Devotee (3): ...in right proportions. (boys shout)
Prabhupada: What they say? What is the quarrel? [break] ...nice, South Indian. Oh, very nice. How many seats are there?
Devotee (4): Say about four(?) seats. Prabhupada, four devotees went from Hyderabad, going through Orissa and coming to Mayapura for the festival.
Prabhupada: Very good.
Devotee (4): Going about five, six months, they have traveled all over.
Prabhupada: Many people assembled on the way?
Devotee (4): Yes, because they were stopping in every village and distributing literature, giving away prasadam.
Prabhupada: Hm. (aside:) Hare Krsna. Jaya. (pause) Hm. It is dirty.
Tamala Krsna: Very much dust.
Radhavallabha: Thousands of people went through last night.
Madhudvisa: I don't think we can prevent that, Srila Prabhupada. So much traffic.
Tamala Krsna: Foot traffic. I think it should be dusted off.
Radhavallabha: The whole display will be cleaned this morning.
Pusta Krsna: [break] Tokyo, Japan, and Philadelphia.
Balavanta: That's Philadelphia.
Radhavallabha: That was when you were there, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: Oh. Oh, yes. (pause) Therefore our mission is to bring Mayapura everywhere.
Devotee (5): Jaya.
Prabhupada: This is the greatest peace movement, to bring peace to the suffering humanity.
Hamsaduta: If a devotee thinks that he likes, for example, Vrndavana more than he likes Mayapura, is that a wrong thinking, or is that his personal...?
Prabhupada: There is no difference. Gauda-mandala-bhumi, yeba jane cintamani.
Hamsaduta: Just like some devotees, they worship Rama, and some worship Krsna. It is like that?
Prabhupada: They know there is no difference from Vrndavana. They are not so fool...
Hamsaduta: Not so...
Prabhupada: (Bengali) (end)
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Morning Walk -- March 17, 1976, Mayapura
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