"Rascal, Surrender"

Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.8.35
Mayapura, October 15, 1974

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Nitai: "And yet others say that You appeared to rejuvenate the devotional service of hearing, remembering, worshiping and so on, in order that the conditioned souls suffering from material pangs might take advantage and gain liberation."

Prabhupada:

bhave 'smin klisyamananam
avidya-kama-karmabhih
sravana-smaranarhani
karisyann iti kecana

This is a very important verse. Bhave asmin. Asmin means "this," and bhave, "the material world." Bhava means to grow, means... Grow means which has taken birth. That requires grow. In the material world, there are six kinds of changes: first of all birth, then grow, then stay for some time, then producing some by-product, then diminishing, dwindling, and then vanish. These are the six kinds of changes. Just like this body. It has taken birth at a certain date, and it has grown, that the child is growing. And growing, it will stay, not immediately vanish. It will stay. And while staying, it will create some by-product. From this body, so many sons and daughters will come, by-product. Even tree, they produce also, everyone. Then it becomes old, no more strength, and when it is very old, finish. These are called sad-vikara. That is on account of this body.

So after finishing this body, then I am not finished; I am there. I am, this gross body, finished, but I am within this subtle body -- mind, intelligence and ego. The subtle body carries me to another gross body. These so-called scientists, medical men, they cannot see the subtle body, although one has to accept. Just like I have got mind, you have got mind -- but I cannot see your mind; you cannot see my mind. I have got intelligence; you have got intelligence. Everyone knows. But you cannot see my intelligence; I cannot see your intelligence. They are very subtle. So, and beyond that, the spirit soul is still subtle, so minute quantity. So what these material scientists will see? They cannot see the mind, intelligence, ego, and what to speak of the soul? Therefore they say, "This body is everything, and there is nothing more." But actually that is not the fact. The fact is that the spirit soul is very, very small. Kesagra-sata-bhagasya satadha kalpitasya ca [Cc. Madya 19.140]. Kesagra, the tip of the hair, agra-bhaga, front portion, front portion, sata-bhagasya, you divide into... Can you do it? Take one hair and divide into hundred parts? No, that is not possible. But if... The direction is there. If you can, you can do it. Sata-bhagasya. Then again take one part of that sata-bhaga, one hundredth part, again make it hundred parts.

So it is not possible, impossible by the so-called scientists. But how to learn? Then you have to learn from the authority, "It is like this," that much. It is not under your experimental knowledge. That is not possible. Because your knowledge is so imperfect, you cannot deal with these things. But these rascals, they think... Because they cannot deal with these things, they think that the matter is the cause of life. That's all -- matter, material. But that is... They have not been able to do so. Take matter in the laboratory, chemicals, and produce a small with hands and legs and eyes. We see every night, a small, very, very small, but still, it has got hands, legs and everything, eyes. Otherwise how they are coming to the light? Very small.

So... So we are getting bhava, bhava from that small insect up to the Brahma. Abrahma-bhuvana-stambha,(?) abrahma stambha. Everyone. That is called bhava. There are 8,400,000 different forms of life, and we are finishing one body, entering another body. Tatha dehantara-praptih. Krsna says. Either you have to reject Krsna's word or you have to reject all this so-called scientific research. But we have... We are pledged to Krsna consciousness. We cannot reject Krsna's word. So it is accepted that tatha dehantara-praptih. Now, Krsna says that you have to accept another body. Everyone has to accept. Now, He does not say that "After this body, the next change will be this body." He does not say. He does not say. So... Because that will depend, as it is said here, avidya-kama-karmabhih. Avidya. The... Every living entity is within this material world under avidya. Avidya-karma-samjnanya trtiya saktir isyate.

There are many potencies of God, Krsna. Parasya saktir vividhaiva sruyate. Many millions. So they have been summarized into three. What is that? The external potency, internal potency, two, and third, marginal potency. The marginal potency and internal potency, they are of the same quality. There are same quality. And there is another potency. That is called external potency. What is that external potency? Now, avidya-karma-samjnanya trtiya saktir isyate. Visnu-saktih para prokta ksetrajnakhya tatha para [Cc. Madhya 6.154]. Visnu-sakti, the Lord's potency, is para. That is spiritual. Visnu-saktih para. And... Visnu-saktih para... Visnu-sakti. And ksetrajnakhya tatha para. And ksetrajnah, the living entities... The ksetrajna is stated in the Bhagavad-gita, idam sariram ksetram ity abhidhiyate. And one who knows this ksetra... Ksetrajna ity abhidhiyate. These are stated in the Bhagavad-gita. So the living entity is ksetrajna. So ksetrajna is also para. But besides these two sakti, there is another, trtiya sakti, which is avidya, everything in ignorance.

Here in this material world everyone is in ignorance -- everyone, even Brahma. Brahma, he was ignorant, but he was given knowledge by Krsna. Tene brahma hrda adi-kavaye. Adi-kavi means Brahma. So the Vedic knowledge, tene brahma... Brahma means this Vedic knowledge, sabda-brahman. So there was one creature, Brahma only, but he was educated. How he was educated? Hrda. Isvarah sarva-bhutanam hrd-dese arjuna tisthati [Bg. 18.61]. Because, at that time, there was no other way but to transfer the knowledge from within. Buddhi-yogam dadami tam yena mam upayanti te. That is caitya-guru, Krsna, Paramatma. So Brahma was also educated. That means beginning from Brahma down to the small insect, they are all in ignorance, all fools and rascals. That is the constitutional position. Nobody should be proud of his knowledge. Everyone is a rascal, everyone. Here it is said, klisyamananam avidya-kama-karmabhih. So Brahma is desiring that "If I can get the opportunity, the post of Brahma, and I can create a big universe..." He was also thinking like that. And the small insects, it is also thinking like that -- "If I can create a small hole within the room, then I can live very peacefully and eat." The same propensity. As Brahma is thinking to create an universe, you are thinking to create an skyscraper building, the ant is thinking to create a hole within the room -- the quality of the work is the same.

But because we are fools, that these things are material... It will not stay. On account of ignorance, we are thinking that "This will be very nice. This will be very nice. This will be very nice. This will be..." Kama-karmabhih, creating some kama, desire, and working in that way. Therefore klisyanti. To become Brahma, that is not very easy thing. Brahma is such a big post, very qualified, highly advanced in austerities, penance. He is given... He's also a living entity. Just like in your America, you are also a citizen, and President Nixon or Ford, he's also citizen. But by dint of his ardent labor and diplomacy, this way, tha..., he has captured that post. But he's an ordinary citizen. Just like President Nixon. Now he's dragged down. He's no more president. Ordinary citizen. Similarly, if you like you can also become Brahma. Kama-karmabhih.

Therefore Bhaktivinoda Thakura says, brahma-janme nahi mora asa, kita-janma hao yatha tuwa dasa. This is Bhaktivinoda Thakura's song, that "Let me become one insect where there is Your devotee, because if I fall down on the dust of the devotee, my life will be successful." Therefore Bhaktivinoda Thakura says, kita-janma hao yatha tuwa dasa, bahir-mukha brahma... Brahma-janma is not easy. It is very difficult. But if Brahma is bahir-mukha -- bahir-mukha means not devotee of Krsna -- it is possible. Because we are in ignorance, maya, at any time we can forget Krsna. Therefore we have to always be engaged in Krsna consciousness so that we may not forget Krsna. And that is stated here, sravana-smarana-arhana. Sravana means hearing, And smarana means memorizing, and arhana means worshiping the Deity. If you engage yourself always in this business... Our, all these centers are being opened only for this business -- chanting, dancing, worshiping -- so that we may not forget Krsna. So sada tad-bhava-bhavitah [Bg. 8.6]. If we are always engaged in thinking of Krsna, then there is chance at the end of life -- ante narayana-smrtih. Then there is chance. Everything has to be practiced. Just like if you want to dance in the stage, so you have to perform many rehearsal, how to dance, how to dance, how to dance. Then, if you become expert dancer, then when you dance on the stage, you get acclaim: "Ah." (makes sound of applause:) "Phut, phut, phut, phut." "Very good dancer." But that "very good dancer," you cannot say, "I go immediately to the stage, and I become a good dancer." That is not possible. If one says, "No, no, no, I don't... I shall not attend the rehearsal. You give me the stage. I shall..." No, no. No director will allow him. He's a rascal. He's a rascal. You cannot become all of a..., a nice dancer without practicing it.

So real purpose of life is ante narayana-smrtih. Yam yam vapi smaran bhavam tyajaty ante... [Bg. 8.6]. If at the time of death you can remember, you can memorize Krsna, then your life is successful. Smarana. So it has to be practiced. (aside:) Where...? You have got that? You could not? Kirata-hunandhra-pulinda-pulkasa. Kirata...

Devotee: It's in the Second Canto, Fourth Chapter.

Prabhupada: Ah, he knows. Second Canto, Fourth Chapter. So asmin bhave. This is the problem. These rascals, they do not care to understand. They are so absorbed in ignorance. Just like some of the, what is called, smugglers. Smugglers, they go on with their work. They do not know... Some of them know also that "We'll be punished. We'll be arrested." Still, they go on. That is the difficulty. A thief knows that "If I am arrested for these criminal acts, I'll be punished." He knows it. And perhaps he has been punished several times. But still, he commits the same thing. Still, he steals. Punah punas carvita-carvananam [SB 7.5.30].

So why? Ignorance. Ignorance. So therefore this very word is used, avidya. He never thinks... He is so much absorbed in ignorance that he has no time to think that "Repeatedly I am stealing, and repeatedly I am arrested, and I am punished. I sent to jail. Why I am doing this?" Result is not very good. Just like a person too much sexually inclined. He suffers in so many venereal diseases, undergoes operation, and still, he goes to prostitute, again does the same thing. This is avaidha-stri-sanga, illegitimate. And legitimate also. After sex, the woman is pregnant, and she has to suffer for ten months. And at the time of delivery it is very dangerous sometimes. And the man also, after he gets the child, he has to take care of the child. He has to work hard to give education. This is proper, proper sex. The proper sex there are so many difficulties. And what is the..., what to speak of the improper sex? You kill the child. You take contraceptive. You make this; you make that. Therefore sastra says, bahu-duhkha-bhajah. After sex life, oh, there are so many troubles, bahu-duhkha-bhajah, simply trouble, either legitimate or illegitimate, simply trouble. Trpyanti neha krpana. But because he is a rascal, ignorant, he's not satisfied, again does the same thing. Punah punas carvita-carvananam [SB 7.5.30]. Again. This is called bhava-roga. Yan maithunadi-grhamedhi-sukham hi tuccham, kanduyanena karayor iva duhkha-duhkham [SB 7.9.45]. Iva duhkha-duhkham. Simply trouble. Therefore Vedic civilization is to train these small boys to remain brahmacari, not to take trouble. But if one is unable, he's allowed. So on being trained up in the beginning as brahmacari, he does not stay for many years in the family life. He retires very soon and becomes vanaprastha, then sannyasa. That is the training.

So here it is said, klisyamananam. They are... Everyone is suffering -- birds, beasts, animals and trees, plants, and even Brahma, even Indra. Indra is also not safe. He is always anxious: "Nobody, competitor, may come." So here in this material world everyone is klisyamana, suffering, at least with anxiety. Sada samudvigna, asad-grahat. Tat sadhu manye 'sura-varya dehinam sada samudvigna-dhiyam asad-grahat. Everyone in this material world -- always anxiety. Klisyamananam. Therefore it is called... Asmin bhave klisyamananam. Why klisyamananam? Why they are always suffering in anxiety? Avidya-kama-karmabhih. Because they are rascals. Therefore Krsna is giving so much stress: "You rascal, give up all this business. You surrender unto Me," because everyone is rascal. That is Krsna's very good mercy. He's the supreme father. Therefore directly He says that sarva-guhyatama: "This is the most confidential knowledge I am giving you: rascal, you give up everything and simply surrender unto Me." Sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja [Bg. 18.66]. Yes. That is required.

So Kunti says that "You have come to teach rascals like this and engage them in this business: sravana, smarana, arhana." Sravana. Because this is bhakti. Sravanam kirtanam visnoh [SB 7.5.23]. But they are so rascals, as soon as they, the Vaisnavas begin, sravanam kirtanam visnoh, the rascal swami will say, "No, any name, sravana, will do. Any name. Why Visnu? Oh, Kali." You know. In Bengal there is a party, kali-kirtana. What is this nonsense, kali-kirtana? In the sastra there is no such thing as kali-kirtana. Kirtana means sravanam kirtanam visnoh, Visnu-kirtana. But these rascals have discovered because they are very fertile brain and they can discover so many things. Yata mata tata patha: "I have discovered this." What is this? Kali-kirtana, durga-kirtana. So... But sastra does not say. Caitanya Mahaprabhu does not say. Sastra says, harer nama: the holy name of Hari, Krsna, not any other name. Not any other name.

So sravanam kirtanam visnoh [SB 7.5.23]. When there is question of sravanam, arhanam and..., these things are of Visnu. Where is that verse? Yat sravanam yat kirtanam...? So this... Yes. So this sravanam kirtanam has been described by Sukadeva Gosvami in Canto, Second, Chapter Four, very nicely. He says,

yat-kirtanam yat-smaranam yad-iksanam
yad-vandanam yac-chravanam yad-arhanam
lokasya sadyo vidhunoti kalmasam
tasmai subhadra-sravase namo namah

Very nicely explained. Sukadeva Gosvami, before speaking Srimad-Bhagavatam, he's offering his obeisances to Krsna. What is that? "I offer my obeisances," tasmai, "unto Him." Subhadra-sravase: "Simply hearing of Him is subhadra." Not abhadra; subhadra. Subhadra-sravase namo namah. So Sukadeva Gosvami -- yat-kirtanam yat-smaranam. Either you glorify Krsna There are so many glorifications. The whole Bhagavata is glorification. So you have got... This is... This is the glorification by Sukadeva Gosvami: yat-kirtanam yat-smaranam. Either you glorify or simply you meditate upon Him... Yat-smaranam. Yad-iksanam. Simply if you sit down in front of the Deity and go on seeing, bas, do nothing, simply see: "How nicely dressed is Krsna. How nicely dressed is Radharani," simply if you see, it is said, yad-iksanam, yad-iksanam. Sravanam kirtanam. If you have no capacity to chant or if you have no such fixed-up mind -- your mind is so disturbing that you cannot fix up your mind in Krsna -- then the chance is given: "Here is Deity. You simply see. Simply see." And if you are engaged in the service, there is good chance of seeing always, twenty-four hours. While you are cleansing the floor of the temple or the room, you are seeing. You are dressing -- you are seeing. You are bathing -- you are seeing. You are offering food -- you are seeing. This is the process.

So people are so rascal, they do not come even to see. They are so fallen down. They do not come. "Oh, what is this, Deity worship? Idol worship. Idol worship." They will worship Gandhi's statue and this statue, that statue, but when they are asked that "Come here and see the Deity worship nicely," "No, this is idol worship." We... I have seen in Calcutta that Sir Asutosh Mukherjee's statue there is in the Chowrangi square. So in the morning, these ordinary sweepers, they'll cleanse the statue with their brush, because the whole year, the crows have passed stool on the face. So it has become a very solid stool, fixed up. So... I have seen it, brushing like this. This is their arcanam. This is allowed. And if you worship the Deity, bathe the Deity, this is idol worship. And that municipal brush, sweeping brush, and on the face of Sir Asutosh Mukharjee, brushing, that is very good. Just see how much rascal they are! In the morning this business is done. And in the evening all big, big men will come and flower him, garland him, full of garlands. And after evening, they'll go away, and again, next morning, the crows will pass stool. That kind of worship is accepted. And if we install Deity of Krsna and worship Him nicely -- "These are for the fools and rascals, less intelligent." And he's very intelligent. This is going on all over the world. They are worshiping Napoleon. They are worshiping... I have seen in Paris, Napoleon's statue. "France and Napoleon, one." I asked them, "Where is your Napoleon? France is there, but where is your Napoleon?"

So these things are going on all over the world. Why? Now, avidya. The disease is avidya-kama-karmabhih. So people are so much embarrassed with this avidya-kama-karmabhih. And to educate them, to rescue them from these clutches of avidya-kama-karmabhih, is this sravanam kirtanam visnoh smaranam pada-sevanam [SB 7.5.23]. That is the sum and substance. So that is explained in this verse also by Sukadeva Gosvami, yat-kirtanam yat-smaranam yad-iksanam. Kirtanam smaranam, and if you are unable to do that... Just like these children. They cannot meditate, but simply they sit down and see Krsna: "Here is Krsna. Here is Radharani." That is also... A small child, he also gets the benefit. An animal gets the benefit -- simply by seeing. Yad-vandanam. And if you are still more intelligent, then offer prayer. Either of these: yad-vandanam yac-chravanam yad-arhanam. The similar parallels(?), the arhanam. If you are expert, trained by your spiritual master how to worship, that is arhanam. And sravanam, the same thing. Yad-vandanam, offering prayers. Some way or other...

Therefore I say that the Christians, they're also Vaisnavas; the Muslims, they're also Vaisnava, very, mean, lower stage, because they're offering prayer. Yad-vandanam. They offer prayer: "O God, give us our daily bread." They do not know very much, but the beginning is there. Beginning is there because they have approached... Catur-vidha bhajanti mam sukrtino 'rjuna. That going to the church or going to the mosque, that is also pious activities. One day they'll come out pure Vaisnava, one day. But that beginning is good. But atheism -- "Don't go to church. Don't go to temple. Don't go to mosque" -- this propaganda is very, very dangerous to the human society. Something do... Try to understand. That education, that a child is sent to school. Let him learn simply A,B,C,D. It doesn't matter. So one day, if he's interested, he may become very good scholar. But to give up religion altogether, secular, simply open factory, bolts and nuts, and work hard and drink and take meat... What is this civilization? What is this civilization? Therefore we are suffering. Again bhava.

Here it is said that avidya-kama-karmabhih. By ignorance, they are thinking by opening factories they will be happy. That is avidya. He does not know that this is ignorance. Why you should open factory? That is... This is called ugra-karma. There is no need of opening factory. You have got land. Here are so many lands. You produce your food grains. Annad bhavanti bhutani. You eat sumptuously food grain, milk, and that will be available without any factory. The factory cannot produce milk or food grain. The present scarcity of foodstuff means everybody is engaged in the city, producing bolts and nuts. Who is producing food grain? This is the solution of economic problem. Annad bhavanti bhutani. Therefore we are trying to engage our men to produce their own food. Be self-sufficient so that these rascals may see that how one can live very peacefully, eating the food grains and milk, and chant Hare Krsna. This is our mission. We don't deny this food. They are after daridra-narayana-seva, but why daridra-narayana? Why not chief Narayana, or the rich Narayana? Everyone should be engaged -- Bhagavat-prasadam. We don't make any distinction, daridra-narayana or rich Narayana, dhani-narayana. Everyone, you come on. Take prasadam.

So this process of Krsna consciousness should be very vigorously propagated all over the world. Simply by seeing the Deity, simply by joining Hare Krsna mantra chanting, sravanam kirtanam... Here it is said, yat-kirtanam. The kirtana word is first used. Simply by kirtanam. Yat-kirtanam yat-smaranam. If you perform kirtana, then you'll be able to think of Krsna, that "I have danced two hours, Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna. What is the meaning?" That is smarana, again smarana, "Krsna." He may think that "Foolishly, I have chanted for two hours, ‘Krsna, Krsna.' " That means again smaranam, Krsna caught up. Then yad-iksanam. So just like people are purchasing our Krsna book. Because Krsna movement is going on, so they are purchasing out of curiosity: "What is this Krsna? Let us see." Yad-iksanam. "Let us see the book." And immediately he will see the picture, Radha-Krsna. Yad-iksanam. And if they open the book, they'll see more. Yad-iksanam. Then there is vandanam. There are so many prayers, glorifying Krsna. Then sravanam. Others will hear. Somebody will read. Then if he's fortunate enough, he'll become Krsna conscious. Yad-arhanam: he'll be engaged in the worshiping of Deity.

So lokasya sadyo vidhunoti kalmasam. These processes, sravanam kirtanam visnoh smaranam van... [SB 7.5.23], so perfect that as soon as you take them..., not all of them, either all of them or some of them or at least one of them, then what happens? Lokasya sadyo vidhunoti kalmasam tasmai subhadra-sravase namo namah: "I am offering worship to that Supreme Personality of Godhead. Simply by remembering Him, simply by glorifying Him, simply by seeing You, so many things happen." So Sukadeva Gosvami, the authority... He is one of the authorities, Vaiyasaki. Balir vaiyasakih. Out of twelve authorities, Sukadeva Gosvami is authority. Mahajano yena gatah sa panthah. We have to follow the authority. So he says by..., simply by performing these processes, sravanam kirtanam visnoh, then what you are? Lokasya sadyo vidhunoti kalmasam: "This material contamination will be washed off." Lokasya sadyah. When washed off? Immediately, sir, immediately, no waiting, sadya. This is Krsna consciousness movement.

Thank you very much. (end)

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.8.35 -- Mayapura, October 15, 1974

"Seeing The World's Soul"

Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.8.34
Los Angeles, April 26, 1973

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Devotee:

bharavataranayanye
bhuvo nava ivodadhau
sidantya bhuri-bharena
jato hy atma-bhuvarthitah

"Others say that the world, being overburdened like a boat at sea, is much aggrieved, and that Brahma, who is Your son, prayed for You, and so You have appeared to diminish the trouble."

Prabhupada: So Kuntidevi is describing different statements of different persons why Krsna appeared. Somebody says that He appeared on the request of Devaki and Vasudeva. Somebody says He appeared on the request of Brahma.

So there is bhuri-bhara, bhuri-bhara. It is said: bharavataranayanye bhuvo nava ivodadhau. Bhuva, this world becomes overburdened. Overburdened. As soon it becomes overburdened, there must be a war, pestilence, famine, epidemic and finish. This is natural. Overburdened. Nature's law. This is called... In economics there is some law. So why the world becomes overburdened? The earth planet... Not only earth planet. There are many millions of other planets also. They are bearing big, big mountains, big, big oceans. Why it become overburdened?

Yes. First of all, you have to consider how this planet is floating in the air. It is floating in the air as it is stated in the Bhagavad-gita, gam avisya. Because Krsna enters within this... Krsna. Just like He enters within the atom. So He's the spirit, Supreme Spirit. So because the Supreme Spirit is within, therefore it is floating. Not that weightlessness. Weight is there, very heavy weight. Just like you can test. This body will float in the water so long you are living. And as soon as the spirit soul goes, then immediately the body goes down. The law of gravity acts. The so-called law of gravity. This is an example. A child, so long it is living you can take in one hand. But as soon as the child is dead, it becomes heavier. That is natural.

So everything is lighter as soon as it is spiritually advanced or there is spirit. Similarly when we'll be spiritually advanced, then there will be no impediment. Now we cannot fly in the air, but when you are free from this body, your spirit soul, within a second you can go to the Vaikunthaloka. It is so light. Within a second. Tyaktva deham punar janma naiti mam eti [Bg. 4.9].

So the conclusion is when the world becomes overloaded with the demons, nondevotees, it become disturbed, becomes... The mother earth feels load, very much load. So at that time, Krsna comes. Therefore it is said: bhara-avataranaya, just to unload. And bharavataranayanye. Somebody says: bhuvo nava ivodadhau. Just like if a ship or boat is overloaded, it is very dangerous. It can be drowned at any moment. So sidantya bhuri-bharena.

So mother earth was overloaded and she approached Brahma on account of overloading of these demons. She was feeling too much uncomfortable. And Brahma is the chief living being within this universe. So when there is need, others approaches Brahma, and Brahma approaches Visnu to reduce the overburden. Then He takes His incarnation, and that is stated in the Bhagavad-gita: yada yada hi dharmasya glanir bhavati bharata, abhyutthanam adharmasya [Bg. 4.7]. Abhyutthanam adharmasya. "When the principles of religiosity becomes increased, at that time, I appear." Krsna says.

Just like take for example, when there are too much criminals in the state, unlawful, lawlessness, the state becomes overburdened, disturbed, overburdened. At that time the administrators are puzzled what to do. Similarly when the world is overburdened by atheists, demons, nonbelievers, the world becomes overburdened. Otherwise things will go on nicely. Just like in the state, if people abide by the laws nicely, then it is very easy to administer. Things are going on very nicely. But if people become criminals, it becomes a overburden to the state administrators.

So such thing happens because this is material world. And the demons and the demigods, they are always there, existing. But when the demonic power becomes increased, then the world becomes overburdened. Sidantya bhuri-bharena jato hy atma-bhuvarthitah, atma-bhu. Atmabhu is Brahma's name. He's directly born of the Supreme Soul, Visnu. He's not born as usually we do from the womb of mother. So Brahma was born from the navel of Garbhodakasayi Visnu. Therefore his another names is Atmabhu. Svayambhu, Svayambhu. These are different names of Brahma. Svayambhur naradah sambhuh [SB 6.3.20]. These are the... Brahma is one, one of the authorities. He's also mentioned in the list of authorities, dvadasa-mahajana. Twelve authorities.

svayambhur naradah sambhuh
kumarah kapilo manuh
prahlado janako bhismo
balir vaiyasakir vayam
[SB 6.3.20]

We have to follow the mahajana, great authorities.

If we want to be in knowledge of everything, then the Vedic instruction is that: tad-vijnanartham sa gurum evabhigaccet [MU 1.2.12]. One has to approach guru. So guru means authority. So there are, originally... Original guru is Krsna. As Krsna is teaching to Arjuna. Similarly He also taught Brahma. Tene brahma hrda adi-kavaye. That is the statement in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. Janmady asya yatah anvayad itaratas ca arthesu abhijnah svarat [SB 1.1.1]. That should be the subject matter of research work. Where is the original source of creation? Janmady asya yatah [SB 1.1.1]. From where janma, sthiti and pralaya is taking place. That we have got experience. Janma, we have taken our birth at a certain date. This body is born. The sthiti. We stay. This body will run on for some years, ten years, twenty years, fifty years, according to the body. Then it will be finished.

So wherefrom this body came and where, after finishing, where it goes? There are so many scientific laws, conservation of energy. So who is that conservation or the source of energy? That is stated in the Srimad-Bhagavatam: janmady asya yatah [SB 1.1.1]. There is source. It is not blind. Just like these rascals think it has come out of nothing. How something can come out of nothing? There is no proof but they claim like that. Therefore they are blind. No. Bhagavata says: janmady asya yatah anvayad itaratas carthesu abhijnah [SB 1.1.1]. The original source from whom everything has come and in whom everything is existing and within whom everything will enter. Yato va imani bhutani jayante. These are the Vedic instructions.

So what is the nature of that thing wherefrom things are coming, emanating, things are existing, and again, after being finished, it is entering? Prakrtim yanti mamikam. In the Bhagavad-gita Krsna says: "The prakrti enters into Me." So they do not know. So what is that source? Therefore Bhagavata says that that supreme source is: janmady asya yatah anvayad itaratas carthesu abhijnah [SB 1.1.1]. Abhijna means completely conscious. Jna, jna means knowledge. So abhijna. Abhi means specifically jna. Not like our knowledge. We do not know. We have no sufficient knowledge wherefrom I have come, where I shall go after death. That we do not know. Therefore we are not abhijna. But the supreme source is abhijna. He's not a stone, void. No, how He can be?

Such a nice creation. Everyone can appreciate this created cosmic manifestation, how it is nicely working. The sun is rising exactly in time. Without any division even 1/10,000 part of a second. The moon is rising, the seasons are changing. In the season, the fruits and flowers coming. So in this way the whole cosmic manifestation is going on, very orderly, systematically. Everyone can understand that. So unless there is some abhijna, very clever brain who knows everything, how it is created? But they say that it has come out of nothing. What is this nonsense? Can such thing come out of nothing? Is that very good reasoning? No. Bhagavata says no. lt is coming from the person who is abhijna, very experienced. And that abhijnah tene... Janmady asya yatah anvayad itaratas carthesu abhijnah tene [SB 1.1.1]. Tene means He broadcasted knowledge. To whom? Adi-kavaye. Adi-kavaye, the original creature.

So Brahma is the original creature. Therefore he has got contact with the original source. He has got the original source. How he receives knowledge? Because we have got understanding that we get knowledge from another person when we are face to face. But Brahma was alone. How he got the knowledge? That is explained in the Bhagavatam: tene brahma hrda. Hrda means through the heart. Because the Supreme Person, Paramatma, is also within the heart. So although Brahma was alone, he was getting the knowledge, dictation from the Supreme. Tene brahma. Brahma means knowledge. Brahma means Veda. The Vedic knowledge was given to him first. Tene brahma hrda.

The Vedic knowledge is given to everyone because Krsna is in everyone's heart. Sarvasya caham hrdi sannivistah. He's sitting in everyone's heart. But one must be qualified to receive the knowledge. Krsna is helping us from within. He is giving us knowledge. From within, without also. So without, He's spiritual master. And within He's Supersoul, caitya-guru. In this way, we are getting knowledge.

So Brahma is getting knowledge from Krsna and Brahma is distributing Vedic knowledge. Therefore he's authority. We, we belong to the Brahma-sampradaya. Our, this Caitanya Mahaprabhu's sampradaya... There are four sampradayas. One from Brahma, one from Sri, Laksmi, one from Sambhu, Lord Siva, and one from Kumara. Kumarah kapilo manuh. So there are four Vaisnava sampradayas. So we have to approach the authoritative representative of Brahma, Krsna. Then we can get the real knowledge.

Therefore this earth personified approached Brahma. Bhuvarthitah jatah. So Brahma prayed to the Supreme Personality of Godhead that: "This is the position of the world. So it is now overburdened with demons." So Krsna comes:

yada yada hi dharmasya
glanir bhavati (bharata)
abhyutthanam adharmasya
tadatmanam srjamy aham
[Bg. 4.7]

He appears. This is the process. So somebody says Krsna appeared on the request of Brahma when he prayed for His appearance on account of overburden, weight of the world.

So Krsna came. And you have seen our Krsna Book, how much He's engaged in killing the demons. In killing the demons. So Krsna says that: "I come down, paritranaya sadhunam vinasaya [Bg. 4.8], to kill the demons." So killing business is there. Krsna. Although His killing and protecting the same thing. Because He's absolute. But the killing business is there. Therefore Krsna has, the Narayana has got two hands, club and disc. That is for killing the demons. And two hands, conchshell and lotus flower. That is for the devotees. The devotees are protected. Kaunteya pratijanihi na me bhaktah pranasyati. Krsna is bugling with His conchshell that: "My devotees will not be vanquished." And the lotus flower is the symbol of blessing. lt is in the hands of Laksmiji also sometimes, blessing.

So somebody says that Krsna appeared for this purpose, somebody says Krsna appeared for this purpose, but the real conclusion is that Krsna appeared for His own pleasure. Not, not being bound by any cause. Krsna is fully independent. Just like we take our birth being bound by the cause of our karma. Krsna does not come being bound up by somebody's request or by His karma. He comes out of His free will. Atma-mayaya. It is said atma-mayaya. He's not compelled by another's maya. Just like we are compelled by the energy of Krsna, external energy, this material energy. We are compelled to take birth. Krsna does not take birth in such condition. Atma-mayaya. Not by the... Because maya is under the control of Krsna. So how maya can control Krsna? One who thinks that Krsna is also like us, controlled by maya, they are called mudhas. Avajananti mam mudha manusim tanum asritam [Bg. 9.11]. Read the purport little.

Pradyumna: "Brahma, or the first living being born just after the creation, is the direct son of Narayana. Narayana, as Garbhodakasayi Visnu first of all entered the material universe. Without spiritual contact matter cannot create."

Prabhupada: This is the beginning of creation. Those who are finding out the original cause of material creation, they should know this fact, that creation takes place when there is spirit soul. That means living. The matter is not created. Matter is created by the spirit soul. Not the soul is created by matter. This is rascal theory, that this living condition, living force, living energy which we have got, it is created by material condition. This is Buddhist theory. At the present moment, the whole world is going on on this Buddhist theory. That under certain condition the matter develops living force. No, that is not. Actually the fact is: upon the living force, matter increases.

That we can understand very easily. Apart from our knowledge within the womb of mother, how the body develops, we can see if a child is born, he grows, his body develops. But if the child is born dead, no spirit soul, it will not develop. Everyone knows that. Therefore the spirit is the basis of development of matter. Not that by development of matter spirit grows. No. That's not a fact. This is... Everyone knows. Why a dead child does not grow? Because the spirit is not there. A tree grows so long there is life in it. A small seed of banyan tree, you sow in the soil and pour water favorably, then it grows. Because the spirit soul is there. But if somehow or other... Take for example you take one grain and fry it in the fire. If you sow it, it will not grow. Because the spirit soul is not there. Therefore they are searching after what is the original cause of creation. The original cause of creation is the spirit soul as everything is growing. Matter is growing, developing on account of the spirit soul. Similarly the whole universe is growing on account of presence of Garbhodakasayi Visnu. Creation. Go on.

Pradyumna: "This principle was followed from the very beginning of the creation. The Supreme Spirit entered the universe and the first living being, Brahma was born on a lotus flower grown out of the transcendental abdomen of Visnu."

Prabhupada: Now... Just like sometimes we see. Take for example Brahma. He grew from the lotus flower. So one can say this lotus flower is matter. No. The lotus flower has grown from the navel of Visnu, the original cause is Visnu. If you take the lotus flower as matter, then it has also grown from the spirit. This is the beginning. The spirit soul is the basis of creation. What is the difficult to understand? We can see practically. Unless there is spirit soul, there cannot be...

Just like this body, your body, my body, even elephant's body... It has grown. It has grown because the spirit soul is there. As soon as the spirit soul is not there, there will be no more growth, no more growth and the body will be heavy. Due to the spirit soul within the body, the body is light. You can make an experiment. You just have a weight of a dead body and of a living body. You will find difference. What is the difference. Where is our scientist?

Svarupa Damodara: Well, the difference is, is the living body, there is a spirit soul. And in the dead body, has spirit soul.

Prabhupada: No, you, it, find the difference that the dead body is more weight. Why? Why? Because the spirit soul is not there. These are experimented even by the scientists. So the, the, this world is floating in the air because the spirit soul is within it. Therefore it is floating. That is explained in the Bhagavad-gita. Gam avisya. "I enter and dharayamy aham ojasa." So as soon as the spirit soul will be off, everything will be destroyed. The destruction of this cosmic manifestation is like that. Go on.

Pradyumna: "Visnu is therefore known as Padmanabha. Brahma is known as Atmabhu because he was begotten directly from the father without the contact of Mother Laksmiji. Laksmiji was present just before Narayana engaged in the service of the Lord, and still, without contact with Laksmiji, Narayana begot Brahma."

Prabhupada: This is all-powerful. Krsna is omnipotent. When we want to beget a child, we require the help of a wife. I cannot beget a child alone. Of course, there are some instances, but generally this is not possible. But Krsna, Lord Visnu, produced Brahma without taking the help of His wife, Laksmi. She was present there. That is called omnipotency. He's not dependent on anything. That is all-powerful. Try to understand. We say God is omnipotent. Here is the instance of omnipotency. That if I want to beget a child I must marry a wife, but Krsna, Visnu, even in the presence of wife, without taking her help, He produced Brahma. This is omnipotent. Go on.

Pradyumna: "That is the omnipotency of the Lord. One who foolishly considers Narayana like other living beings should lesson from this."

Prabhupada: Yes. Therefore in the sastra it is forbidden, that don't compare with Narayana. Don't be on equal footing with Narayana. It is not possible. But the rascals, big, big swamis, they are exclaiming that: daridra-narayana. Narayana has become daridra. Manufactured word. Where is this word daridra-narayana in the sastras? But they have manufactured. That Narayana has become daridra and He has come to my door to beg. Narayana is the master of Laksmi, sahasra-sata-laksmi, and He has now become daridra, poverty stricken. These foolish things are going on.

Therefore sastra says:

yas tu narayanam devam
brahma-rudradi-daivataih
samatvenaiva vikseta
sa pasandi bhaved dhruvam

These rascals says that Narayana, Brahma, Siva, and all other, so many demigods, I, you, everything is equal, all, all the same, on the level. This is rascaldom. Narayana is asamordhva. Nobody can be equal or greater than Him. Just like Krsna says in the Bhagavad-gita: mattah parataram nanyat [Bg. 7.7]. "There is no more superior thing above Me." Neither equal to Him, asamordhva. Asama, asama means no equal, and na urdhva. Everyone is down. That is the position. Aham sarvasya prabhavo mattah sarvam pravartate [Bg. 10.8].

So these are all foolish theories that with Narayana everyone can be equal. The lack of knowledge, poor fund of knowledge. That is not... Therefore sastra has forbidden: "Don't do this. Don't equalize anyone, even Brahma and Rudra." Brahma, Visnu, Rudra, Lord Siva, they are actually sitting on the same platform. Still Visnu is the Supreme. Nobody should equalize Brahma, Rudra even. What to speak of others? So if one does so... Yas tu narayanam devam brahma-rudradi-daivataih samatvenaiva vikseta, equalize, sa pasandi. This is the meaning of pasandi. Pasandi means nonbeliever, atheist, demon. That is called pasandi. Go on.

Pradyumna: "Narayana is not an ordinary living being. He is the Personality of Godhead Himself, and He has all the potencies of all the senses in all parts of His transcendental body. An ordinary living being begets a child by the intercourse of sex and he has no other means to beget a child other than the one designed for him."

Prabhupada: Yes. Generally take birth from the vagina. But Narayana is all-powerful. He begets a child from the navel. This is all-powerful, omnipotency. Why? Why it is so happened? That is Narayana. Every part of the body has got every potency. That is explained in the Brahma-samhita: angani yasya sakalendriya-vrttimanti. Angani, the different parts of the... That is spiritual body. The different parts of the body of Krsna or Narayana has got all the potencies. Just like I can see with my eyes, but Krsna can eat also with His eyes. So the foolish rascal people will say that: "You are offering Krsna foodstuff, but where He has eaten? lt is lying there. He has not eaten." He does not know, the rascal, that Krsna by seeing can eat also. Angani yasya sakalendriya-vrttimanti pasyanti panti kalayanti. Just like the washerman who refused to supply cloth in Mathura, Krsna immediately cut his head with his hand. You know the story. So how it is possible to cut one's head with the hand? That is called omnipotency. Read little more.

Pradyumna: "But Narayana, being omnipotent, is not bound to any condition of energy. He is complete and independent to do anything and everything by His various potencies."

Prabhupada: That is explained in the beginning of Bhagavad, Srimad-Bhagavatam: abhijnah svarat. Svarat means He's not dependent to anyone. He is self-sufficient. Everything. That is God. Nowadays there is so many incarnation of God, but as soon as there is some toothache immediately: "Ooooonh, doctor, give me... Save me, save me. Save me, save me, save me, save me." You are God. You save yourself. Why you have come to doctor? So these rascals are going on. So it is very difficult to preach Krsna consciousness. The whole world is overburdened by these rascals and demons. So atom, atom bomb is waiting for them. Yes. It will be finished. All the demons will be finished.

Thank you very much. (end)

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.8.34 -- Los Angeles, April 26, 1973

"Relief From Unbearable Burdens"

Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.8.34
Mayapura, October 14, 1974

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Nitai: "Others say that the world, being overburdened like a boat at sea, is much aggrieved, and that Brahma, who is Your son, prayed for You, and so You have appeared to diminish the trouble."

Prabhupada:

bharavataranayanye
bhuvo nava ivodadhau
sidantya bhuri-bharena
jato hy atma-bhuvarthitah

So Brahma's another name is Atma-bhu. He is born from Garbhodakasayi Visnu without the help of Laksmi. Laksmi was there; she was massaging on the lotus feet of the Lord, but the Lord did not take help of Laksmi, and He gave birth to Brahma. Therefore Brahma's another name is Atma-bhu, "born from the father directly, without taking the help of the mother." So another name is Svayambhu. Brahma's another name is Svayambhu.

svayambhur naradah sambhuh
kumarah kapilo manuh
prahlado janako bhismo
balir vaiyasakir vayam
[SB 6.3.20]

Out of the twelve authorities of sastra, Brahma is the origin, and he has been explained as Svayambhu. Atma-bhu, like that.

So this is the Supreme Personality's omnipotency. He does not require the help of another woman to beget child. Even Brahma, he has given birth to so many children not through woman but from his different parts of the body. So this we cannot conceive, because we are materially impeded. We cannot understand this is possible. So possibility and impossibility does not depend on our understanding. We have to take knowledge from the authority. Here, in the Vedic literature, we understand that Brahma was born directly from the father. So we have to accept it. That is called Vedic knowledge. You cannot argue. That is possible. That is omnipotency. All potencies are there.

So Brahma was approached by the earth, mother earth. She felt overburdened by the sinful activities of the demons. So Brahma approaches Narayana, er, Visnu -- not directly he can see, but he can stand on the bank of the ocean of milk, and from there he can submit his petition. And Garbhodakasayi Visnu gives His order. So once upon a time, when the whole world was overburdened -- this is the history of Krsna's birth -- so the earthly planet approached Brahma to appeal to Garbhodakasayi Visnu to have His incarnation to diminish the burden of the world. The world is, of course, it is very heavy. We can understand there are so many oceans and so many big, big hills, besides your skyscraper building, and certainly the whole lump of matter is very heavy. But not only this planet, but many other planets, even the sun planet. It is heavier by fourteen hundred thousand times. Still, they are floating in the air by... Why? Because Krsna enters in each of them.

In each of them... Gam avisya. Dharayamy aham ojasa. Krsna says in the Bhagavad-gita that "I enter into each planetary system, each universe, and by My power I hold it. It is floating." Why it is floating? Because Krsna is there. The atheist may not believe it, but it is a fact. It is a fact. How? Just like an animal or a man, while he is living, he can float in the air or in the water. That everyone has seen. But if the man is dead, it will not float. It will fall down. Is it not a fact? So why it is floating? Because a very small particle of Krsna's spiritual potency is there. That is living entity. Big, big... An elephant, he can also float in the water, and the horses, elephant, and what to speak of man? This is practical. Because a small particle of the Supreme is there within this body... Dehino 'smin yatha dehe [Bg. 2.13]. Very small particle. How much small? One ten-thousandth part of the top of the hair, so small. It has got so power that it can hold the whole body floating in the air. Air... There are very, very big, big birds. They are floating in the air, very, very big eagle. They fly from one planet to another. Their resting place is... They start from one planet, and they go and rest in other planet. And they lay their eggs while flying. That eggs also become a bird simply by air cohesion. That's all.

Devotee: Friction.

Prabhupada: Friction, yes. So there are so, so big, big arrangement in the kingdom of God. So it is not very difficult for Him to give birth to Brahma or to float this whole universe or the planets in the air. We shall have to apply our intelligence by comparative study. So if it is possible to float a big body... There are many big bodies. The whale fish, it is as big as a ship. Still, it is floating. Why? That small particle of spiritual entity is there. Therefore it is floating. Then, if the Supreme Person enters into a big lump of matter, why it will not float? What is the reason? At least I try to understand in this way. Am I wrong or right? What is your opinion? Eh? No, it is...

So this is called faith. This is called faith. Unless you have got faith, you cannot understand what is Krsna. Adau sraddha. Sraddha: "Yes, Krsna can make anything possible." That faith we must maintain. That is the basic... That has been explained by Krsnadasa Kaviraja Gosvami, what is faith. "Faith means complete conviction." Sraddha-sabde visvasa kahe sudrdha niscaya. That is faith. Visvasa. If I say something and if you believe cent percent, that is called faith. That is called faith. Not that "It may be," or... No. So sraddha-sabde visvasa. Visvasa means faith. How? What kind of faith? Sudrdha niscaya, firm faith, without any doubt. Niscaya. And what is that faith? Krsne bhakti kaile sarva-karma krta haya. If one is surrendered to Krsna, then his all duty is done, finished. He has nothing to do. Na tasya karyam karanam ca vidyate. As Krsna has nothing to do -- He has got so much potency that things are done very automatically -- similarly, if you faith, have faith in Krsna -- krsne bhakti kaile sarva-karma -- then everything will be done automatically. Krsna will do for him. What is the difficulty there?

So this big, big lump of matter, earthly planet, they are actually not heavy, but it becomes heavier when there are demons. Demons means material activities. If there is spiritual activity, it remains very light. And if there is too much material activity and materialistic persons, it become heavier and troublesome. So such time became possible, and therefore the earthly planet went to Brahma to appeal to Visnu to take His incarnation. So somebody says that bharavatara..., taranaya, avataranaya, to diminish the burden, burden... Just like a bad son is a burden of the father. This has been explained by Canakya Pandita that a stupid son... Ko 'rthah putrena jatena yo na vidvan na bhaktiman: "What is the use of getting a son who is neither learned nor a devotee? Useless." Ko 'rthah putrena jatena: "Such kind of son, what is the use?" The son who is not a devotee... Two things are required: the son should be a devotee or a learned. Without being learned, nobody can become devotee. If one becomes devotee, he's learned also. But sometimes materially learned, not devotee, it happens. So if one is neither learned nor devotee, what is the use of such son? The example is given: kanena caksusa kimva caksuh pidaiva kevalam: "If you have got one eye, cataract, you cannot see, but it is always troublesome." Unless you get it operated, it is simply troublesome. In many places it is said, Canakya Pandita... Ko 'rthah putrena jatena. Varam eko guni putro na ca murkha-satair api: "If you get one son, very qualified, that is preferred. What is the use of having many sons and all of them are rascals and fools?" Na ca murkha-satair api.

So as a father becomes perplexed when there are rascal sons, similarly, when there are increase of rascal population the world becomes overburdened. Therefore it is called... It is said in the Bhagavad-gita, varna-sankara. Varna-sankara. Now the whole world is practically full of varna-sankara. First of all, there is no division of varnas. Catur-varnyam maya srstam guna-karma-vibhagasah [Bg. 4.13]. According to quality, it can be done. But people are not interested. They want hodge-podge. Therefore they are suffering. They cannot systematically do anything. So when the system of varna and asrama is destroyed... Just like in Western countries there is no such thing as varna and asrama. Therefore the varna-sankara, the hippies... That is varna-sankara. So varna-sankara... In the Bhagavad-gita... If the varna-sankara increases, strisu dustasu varna-sankaro jayate. When women become polluted, no fixed-up husband -- that is pollution for woman, no chaste, no chastity -- then this varna-sankara will come out. And when the world is overpopulated by varna-sankara, it will become a burden. Therefore it so became, atheist, varna-sankara, demons. So it was unbearable by the earthly planet. And it is said, yada yada hi dharmasya glanir bhavati bharata, tadatmanam srjamy aham [Bg. 4.7]. Therefore mother earth went to appeal, "Please come and save me. I am very much overburdened." Therefore it is said, bharavataranaya: "diminish."

So five thousand years ago Krsna came to kill some of the demons. Not all of them were demons. But next time, when Krsna will come, it will be only demons. Only demons. Kalki avatara. What is that stotra? Kesava dhrta-kalki-sarira jaya jagadisa hare. So at that time Krsna will not preach Bhagavad-gita. Kalki avatara will simply come to cut the throat only. That will be the preaching. That will be preaching. Mleccha-nivaha-nidhane kalayasi karavalam, karalam. Karalam means death personified. Mleccha-nidhane. Mleccha means meat-eaters. Those who are meat-eaters, fish-eaters, they are mlecchas. Mleccha-yavana, they are called, according to Vedic... So people are becoming meat-eaters nowadays. I have... There is no secrecy. Formerly, at least in India, the meat-eaters used to eat meat very secretly. We had seen in our childhood. If somebody will meat-eat, it was not allowed within the house. They, formerly, rich men, they used to keep Muslim servants as the caretaker of the horse or the carriage driver. So in the (horse)(?) stable(?) they would secretly cook some meat, and the so-called Babu, Zamindar, will eat. It was not allowed. And those who are not rich men -- poor men, sudra class -- they would go to Kali-ghata, and get one goat, sacrifice there, and cook there and eat, then come back. Meat-eating was not at all allowed. The higher caste, especially the brahmanas, they would never touch. Still in some provinces, in Maharastra provinces, in Madras... Of course, they are now taking.

So meat-eaters means mleccha. So now that is increasing, meat-eaters. So when wholesale population will be meat-eaters, mleccha, they'll not understand anything about spiritual matter -- "Why it is forbidden?" because the meat-eaters, they cannot understand anything about spiritual matter. It is very difficult. Vina pasughnat. Pariksit Maharaja said,

nivrtta-tarsair upagiyamanad
bhavausadhac chrotra-mano-'bhiramat
ka uttamasloka-gunanuvadat
puman virajyeta vina pasughnat
[SB 10.1.4]

This chanting of Hare Krsna maha-mantra is possible by a person who is nivrtta-tarsa. Nivrtta-tarsa. Nivrtta means finished. Brahmany upasamasrayam. We have to finish this material business before we can understand spiritual thing. If one has got still inclination for material things, it is useless waste of time for him to understand, try to understand what is spiritual thing. So nivrtta-tarsair upagiyamanat. Actually the holy name of Lord can be chanted by a person like Haridasa Thakura, who has no other desire, material desire. But those are not like Haridasa Thakura, they may take... Bhavausadhi. If he chants, then gradually he'll be released from this material disease. For them, this is the chance. Actually it is meant for liberated person like Haridasa Thakura. Then why we are chanting? We are chanting -- ceto-darpana-marjanam [Cc. Antya 20.12] -- to cleanse our heart, to cure the material disease.

So it is actually relished by the liberated persons, but those who are diseased like us, they can chant and gradually cure the material disease. This is the basic principle of chanting the holy name of Krsna. Nivrtta-tarsair upagiyamanat. Upagiyamana, it is chanting. Why? Bhavausadhi. It is medicine of this bhava-roga. What is that bhava-roga? Bhava-roga... Bhava means you become, means take your birth and again die. Bhutva bhutva praliyate. This is our disease. This is called samsara. All these rascals in the material world, they are simply getting one body and again... Vasamsi jirnani yatha viha... When it is useless, no more can be used, then you get another body according to the price you pay. Just like when your garment is old, you purchase another garment. So you can purchase very good garment, or not very good garment, as you pay price. Similarly, to get a different type of garment or this body, you'll have to pay price. Price. If you are in higher status of consciousness, then urdhvam gacchanti sattva-sthah: you get your body in the higher planetary system where the comforts are thousands and thousand times better than this.

We can understand that, that the material comforts in the Western countries are better than in this country. Similarly, urdhvam gacchanti sattva-sthah. We can go to the higher planetary systems; we get more duration of life. Just like Brahma has got very, very long, millions and millions of years to our calculation. Just like the insect who comes, attacks us at night. Their duration of life? That night only. Within the night, they are born, they have sex life, and they beget children and increase the population, and as soon as the night finished, all finished. They have got also duration of life. And if you say to them that "There is another animal called man. This night is only twelve hours. And he has got day, another twelve hours. In this way, one month. In... Thirty days. And then..." He becomes surprised: "How it is possible?" Similarly, when we calculate the age of Brahma, we become astonished, "How such millions and millions of years...?" Because we, in comparison to Brahma, we are like insect.

So this is scientific. This world is relative. This is relative world. According to your position, you get. The time is also relative. What is present, past, present, future for you, that is not past, present, future for others. So what is past, present for Brahma, that is not past, present, future for us. Everything is relative. And in the creation of Krsna there are so many relativities. Therefore it is called relative world. Time is eternal, but on account of our relative birth and death, we make our own past and present. Otherwise, time is eternal. Therefore, for Krsna, there is no such thing as past, present and future. Because He is He, He's time eternal. Therefore He knows everything. Vedaham. Just like you know, present, everything -- there is no past; there is no future -- similarly, for Krsna there is no such, past and future. Therefore He could say that "Formerly, millions and trillions of years ago," according to Arjuna's calculation, "I spoke this Bhagavad-gita to sun-god." He did not believe it because he is relatively calculating past and present. But Krsna is not within that past and present. Therefore Krsna said that "Both I and you, you and Me, we appear many times." Bahuni me vyatitani. "And you were also... But you forget because you have got past, present, future. I have no such thing. Therefore I remember."

So in this way, if people become irreligious or not spiritual, the burden of the world becomes heavier, unbearable. That you can understand. I have already explained. This body, this body, you weigh it. Say, it is one man, fifty seras or something like... But as soon as it will be dead, the burden will... The weight will increase. Is it not? What do you think? The weight will increase. Not the same weight. So, so long people are materialistic, the burden will increase. And so long people are spiritualistic, there will be no burden. So bharavataranaya anye bhuvo nava ivodadhau. Just like if there is a boat, then you can cross over the sea or the river with the help, so when you are Krsna conscious, then you can cross over the sea of nescience very easily. Bhuvo nava iva udadhau, sidantya bhuri-bharena. Bhuri-bharena, very heavily burdened. So she was lamenting, "My Lord, save me." So the conclusion is that if people become simply atheistic or materialistic... Materialistic means atheistic. And then the weight of the earth, or any planet, will increase and the situation will degrade, and everyone will be unhappy and there will be restlessness. And at that time, Krsna comes. He says, yada yada hi dharmasya glanir bhavati [Bg. 4.7].

So at the present moment, the actually it is overburdened by the material activities. So Krsna has descended already. Krsna has descended already. Nama-rupe kali-kale krsna avatara. Krsna has taken His incarnation in the form of Hare Krsna maha-mantra. So if people take to it, chanting Hare Krsna maha-mantra, the present situation of the world can be favorable for our living, and atmosphere will change. Therefore the Krsna consciousness movement is meant for this purpose, to give people relief from all these burdens so that they can peacefully live, understand the value of life, and become spiritualized so they live peacefully in this life and go back to home, back to Godhead. That is the mission of the Krsna consciousness movement.

Thank you very much. (end)

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.8.34 -- Bombay, October 14, 1974

"The Whole Thing In One Word"

Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.8.33
Mayapura, October 13, 1974

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Nitai: "Others say that since both Vasudeva and Devaki prayed for You, You have taken Your birth as their son. Undoubtedly You are unborn, yet You take Your birth for their welfare and to kill those who are envious of the demigods."

Prabhupada:

apare vasudevasya
devakyam yacito 'bhyagat
ajas tvam asya ksemaya
vadhaya ca sura-dvisam

There are... Actually Krsna is unborn, aja, but Aja is taking birth. That is already explained. This is the bewilderment, vidambanam. It is already explained. So this vidambanam, speculation or bewilderment, how many types of speculation are there, that is being described by Kuntidevi. Somebody says that Krsna is Yadava. Yadava. Yadavaya madhavaya kesavaya namah. Yadava means born in the Yadu dynasty. And somebody says Krsna is Vasudeva, son of Vasudeva, Devaki. And Krsna... And some of them, they say, nanda-kumaraya, now, son of Nanda Maharaja. So Krsna has many speculations, but actually He is aja. Ajas tvam asya ksemaya.

Krsna... This is to be understood, that everyone thinking that He is born in the Yadu family, He is born of Vasudeva, or He is the son of mother Yasoda and Nanda Maharaja. This is Krsna's pastime. When the impersonalist says, or there are many philosophers, that "God has no name," actually that is a fact. God has no name. But He has name according to His activities. Just like when He acts as the chariot driver of Arjuna, His name is Partha-sarathi. When He plays as the child of mother Yasoda, He is called Yasoda-nandana. When people say that He is born of Nanda Maharaja, He is called Nanda-nandana. When people say that He came to protect Vasudeva and Devaki, He is called Vasudeva, or Devaki-nandana. Or when He is in the Yadu dynasty, He's said as Yadava. In this way, Krsna has unlimited pastimes and unlimited names. Advaitam acyutam anadim ananta-rupam [Bs 5.33]. Ananta. Ananta means unlimited. He has got unlimited because so many devotees, not one devotees, and He has to satisfy everyone, as Nanda-kumara, as Yasoda-nandana, as Vasudeva, as Yadava, as Partha-sarathi. So in this way, when one becomes bewildered that how many names He has got, so one should understand He has unlimited names or no name, but because He has to act unlimitedly, therefore He has got unlimited names.

So whole thing is summarized in one word: "Krsna," means all-attractive. He draws the attraction of Vasudeva. He draws the attraction of Yadu-kula. He draws the attraction of Arjuna. He draws attraction of everyone, all devotees. Mama vartmanuvartante partha sarvasah. The whole world, civilized world, they have got some religion -- Christian religion, Muhammadan religion, Hindu religion, Buddhist religion, and many other subordinate religions. Under the groups of Christian, there are so many churches -- Protestant, Catholic. In the Muhammadans, they have got Shiya, Suni, Sek,(?) so many. In Hindus also, Vaisnavas and Saktas and Sauras, Ganapatyas, so many. But Krsna says that "All of them, seeking after Me." Mama vartmanuvartante partha sarvasah: "Everyone, they may go on under different religious systems, but the aim is how to approach Me." Vedais ca sarvair aham eva vedyah [Bg. 15.15].

If you take... Veda means knowledge, scripture. Veda does not mean any particular scripture. Any scripture which gives knowledge of God, you can call it as Veda. Vedais ca sarvaih. If any book or any scripture or any book of knowledge does not give the information of God, that is not scripture because it cannot be called scripture, or Veda, because it does not search after the Supreme Being. Therefore Krsna says, vedais ca sarvair aham eva vedyah [Bg. 15.15]. Bahunam janmanam ante jnanavan mam prapadyate, vasudevah sarvam iti [Bg. 7.19]. This is the ultimate goal of knowledge.

So you can call the Supreme Lord Krsna or something else. Just like Muhammadans, they say "Allah." Allah means "the Supreme Being." Allah akbar. And the Christian says "God is great." And we say param brahma param dhama [Bg. 10.12], or Krsna, all-attractive. But the aim is to understand Krsna, that Krsna personally appears so that your misgivings, misunderstandings may be mitigated immediately -- "Here I am." The Krsna consciousness movement is for this purpose, that "You religionists, you philosophers, you scientists, you speculators, you are all... theosophists, so many, you are searching after God, and here is God, Krsna." But they are so unfortunate, they'll not accept it. "No, why shall I accept Krsna as God?" Then why you shall not? That is our question. If you do not accept Krsna as God, then you must know what is God. That, if I ask him, "Do you know what is God?" "That I do not know."

The same... Just like the scientist. He would propose that life is made by combination of chemicals, but when another scientist says, "Suppose I give you the chemicals. Can you produce life?" he will, the rascal will say, "That I cannot say." Similarly, they are rascals. We are presenting herewith, "Here is Krsna. Take His address. Take His name. Take His father's name, mother's name, all identification, His activities, His glories, everything." Krsna proves that He's the Supreme Personality of Godhead:

aisvaryasya samagrasya
viryasya yasasah sriyah
jnana-vairagyayos caiva
sannam bhaga itingana

Bhagavan. Bhagavan means the proprietor of all wealth, aisvarya, samagrasya. Not any limited amount, but samagra, everything. Krsna says that. Bhoktaram yajna..., sarva-loka-mahesvaram: "I am the proprietor of all the planets." Krsna says that. So you check Him, that "How He is the proprietor of all the planets?" Therefore He showed Visvarupa, the universal form, how everything is within Him.

Everything is there. Arjuna wanted, requested Krsna, that "How I can understand that You are the proprietor, You are the everything in the universe?" So He showed His universal form. Krsna showed in every way to fulfill the proper definition of God, aisvaryasya samagrasya, proprietor of everything, and viryasya, the powerful. Nobody could kill Krsna, but He killed so many demons, big, big demons. Therefore He's powerful. And His reputation? Still continuing, Krsna. We are selling Krsna book like anything. Why people are interested with Krsna? Because He is reputed. People are seeing. The Krsna consciousness movement is going on all over the world. This is yasah.

So when Krsna was present, who could compete Him with His opulence? He had 16,108 wives, not loitering in the street, but each and every wife had big, big marble palaces, all marble palaces. Furniture with ivory, ivory and silk, and frames, all golden, garden with parijata, so many things. The... And not one palace, two palace. Sixteen thousand palaces. And Narada was surprised: "What Krsna is doing with sixteen thousand wives?" In each and every palace he entered, and he saw Krsna is engaged in different way. Somebody is taking care of the children; somebody... Somewhere He is arranging for the marriage of His son and daughter. Somewhere He is engaged in other sixteen thousand..., in the sixteen thousand palaces, in sixteen thousand engagements, and queens. So this is called opulence, aisvarya. Who can show this? And Krsna showed it personally.

So in every way Krsna proved the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Still, these rascals, they are searching after God. What is this nonsense? Here is God. You see that He is God in every respect according to the definition, and still, you say that "Where is God?" How much rascal they are, just imagine. Here is God, and still, they are enquiring, "What is God? Can you show me God?" What is this? Is it not rascaldom? What is this? If everything, proof is there, why they are searching after God? What is the answer? Where is the question of searching after God? Just answer this question. God is present here, and still, you are wasting your time. Therefore Krsna says, mudha. Mudha. Na mam duskrtino mudhah [Bg. 7.15]. Simply rascal. They cannot be given any other title except this one title, mudhah. Why they remain mudhah? Why are they are not intelligent? They are being educated in the universities, getting so many degrees. Still, they remain mudhah. Why? Duskrtinah, sinful, engaged in sinful activities, these sinful activities. Yatra papas catur-vidha. Every one of them, all these rascals, are... They're engaged in four kinds of sinful activities. They'll search after illicit sex, they will eat meat, and they will drink and they will play gambling. Just one after a... You just study. They cannot understand God because they are mudhah.

Why they are mudhah? Because they are sinful. Why they are sinful? Because naradhamah, lowest of the mankind. Human form of life was given to him to become purified, but they are engaged in sinful activities so that next life they'll be cats and dogs and hogs and trees. Why trees? Trees stands naked. And now this nudie movement is there, how to remain naked. That means next life they are preparing for becoming tree: "Thousand years, stand up here, naked. Nobody will object." Yes, this is the law of nature. Prakrteh kriyamanani gunaih karmani sarvasah [Bg. 3.27]. These rascals... Because the rascals, they do not know. And even the information is there, still, they'll not accept. This is their position.

So don't remain mudhah. This is Krsna consciousness movement. Krsna consciousness movement is to educate people not to remain mudhah. Be intelligent. It is a very nice cultural movement that it is trying to awaken people to their God consciousness. "Here is God." This is the sum and substance of Krsna consciousness. And the process is also bona fide because Krsna Himself is teaching the process. Krsna, first of all, generally He told, sarva-dharman parityajya [Bg. 18.66], because this is the process. But because they are mudhas, rascals and sinful, they could not understand. They could not understand. Therefore Krsna came personally to teach people how to surrender. That is Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Apani acari prabhu jivere sikhaya.

namo maha-vadanyaya
krsna-prema-pradaya te
krsnaya krsna-caitanya-
namne gaura-tvise namah
[Madhya 19.53]

Rupa Gosvami could understand that "Here is Krsna, Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu." Krsnaya. Now He is acting as Krsna-caitanya. Krsnaya krsna-caitanya-namne: "He has assumed the name of Krsna-caitanya, but He is Krsna Himself." And what He is doing? Because previously, as Krsna, He simply ordered that "You surrender. Then you'll be purified and you'll be promoted." Now here, as Krsna-caitanya, He is giving krsna-prema. Krsna-prema. Unless I understand you very thoroughly, how there can be love for you? Love is not so easy that simply by meeting, or one day's transaction, one becomes lover of other. No. It takes time. So in the Krsna form, Krsna, the Supreme Lord, He simply wanted that "You surrender; then you'll understand Me." But in the Caitanya Mahaprabhu, not only understanding Him, but one gets love of Krsna, the highest stage. Therefore He is addressed as namo maha-vadanyaya, the topmost charitable personality. He is giving krsna-prema.

So the process is there. And actually it is so happening all over the world. How the Christian priests are surprised that "These boys, these Christian boys or these Jewish boys, they never came to the church. They did not inquire even what is God. Now they have left everything and they are mad after God. How it is po... How it is?" Because we have adopted the process enunciated by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu; therefore it has become easier. Otherwise, to understand Krsna only, it will take millions of years, simply to understand Krsna. And what to speak of becoming lover of Krsna? If I do not understand you, I cannot become your lover. You... We cannot love an unknown person. Is it possible? You must know him. You must behave with him. You must study him. He will study you. Then there is question of love. But Krsna-caitanya Mahaprabhu has given us such a nice process: ceto-darpana-marjanam [Cc. Antya 20.12]. By chanting Hare Krsna mantra, immediately...

Because we do not love Krsna... We have got intimate relationship with Krsna as part and parcel. It cannot be separated. It cannot be separated. But any way, some way or other, we have lost or forgotten that intimate relationship with Krsna. Nitya-siddha krsna-bhakti. That is nitya-siddha, eternally fact, that Krsna loves us and we love. Krsna loves. Therefore He comes personally. He comes as devotee to deliver us back to home, back to Godhead. Unless He loves, how it is possible? Krsna is coming in so many ways. He is sending His devotee. He is leaving Bhagavad-gita for study to understand Krsna. That is... Krsna loves. Simply teaches that... Therefore Caitanya-caritamrta says that nitya-siddha krsna-bhakti. This krsna-bhakti, love of Krsna, it is not something that artificially trained up. Artificial things...

Now these American and the European boys, they are after me. They are after this for the last six, seven years. Had it been an artificial thing, they could not stay. That is not possible. It is not artificial. It is already there, Krsna. Krsna-bhakti nitya-siddha. It is already there. By the process of Caitanya Mahaprabhu, I am simply trying to awaken that krsna-bhakti. That's all. That is the duty of guru. Caksur unmilitam yena. He opens the eyes, that "Why you have forgotten Krsna? Here is Krsna. You love Him. You'll be happy." This is guru's business. Not that he is giving artificially something which is known as krsna-bhakti. Krsna-bhakti's already there. Nitya-siddha krsna-bhakti sadhya kabhu naya, sravanadi-suddha-citte. Simply by this process, hear about Krsna. That we have introduced. In our so many centers this process is going on: hear about Krsna, chant about Krsna. Simply "Krsna, Krsna, Krsna, Krsna." Srnvatam sva-kathah krsnah [SB 1.2.17]. Then Krsna will help you.

So this is Krsna. So the highest devotees, they..., Krsna, they, Krsna accepts because He is playing the part of human being. Avajananti mam mudhah. Those who are mudhas, they cannot understand, but those who are intelligent, they know that Krsna is perfectly playing as a human being. As a human being takes birth in the womb of his father and mother by the father and mother, similarly, Krsna also appeared, accepting Vasudeva as His father, Devaki as mother. But actually Krsna is not born. That is being repeatedly explained by Kuntidevi, that apare, apare vasudevasya devakyam: "They say like that." What is that? Devaki-nandana... There is a verse, that "It is a saying only. Nobody can become Krsna's father or mother, but they get the reputation as father and mother. That is a concession to the devotee." Therefore, Kuntidevi says, apare: "Others say like that." Somebody says like this; somebody says like that; somebody says like this. This is going on. But actually, Krsna remains aja always. Because if we do not understand that Krsna, what is Krsna, then we'll misunderstand Him, that "He is also born. He is also born, so how He can become?" The Mayavadis say that "Krsna is also having a body of the material body, maya. Therefore real spiritual identity (is) impersonal. As soon as He assumes the body, it is material." That is called Mayavada. "Maya. The Krsna's body is maya. The ultimate Absolute is no body, impersonal." That is their theory. Therefore we call them Mayavadi.

But they do not actually know that ultimately the Absolute Truth is a person, the Supreme Person, Bhagavan. Brahmeti paramatmeti bhagavan iti sabdyate. Vadanti tat tattva-vidas, tattva-vidah [SB 1.2.11]. Tattva means one who knows tattva. They know that ultimately the Absolute Truth is person, not imperson. Therefore Bhagavata says, vadanti tat tattva-vidas tattvam [SB 1.2.11]. What is the Absolute Truth? Absolute Truth means tattvam. So Bhagavata says, vadanti tat tattva-vidah: "Those who are aware of the Absolute Truth, they say like this." What is that? Brahmeti... Yad, yaj jnanam advayam. Advayam: "He is without any duality, but the Absolute Truth is known as in three features: by somebody as Brahman, by somebody as Paramatma, and somebody as Bhagavan."

Actually He is Bhagavan. Paramatma is His universal feature.

eko 'py asau racayitum jagad-anda-kotim
yac-chaktir asti jagad-anda-caya yad-antah
andantara-stha-paramanu-cayantara-stham
govindam adi-purusam tam aham bhajami
[Bs. 5.35]

Eko 'py asau, only one portion. That is also confirmed in the Bhagavad-gita, athava bahunaitena kim jnatena tavarjuna, vistabhyaham... [break] ...this universe is only one only. That also, we cannot estimate what is the length and breadth, how many planets are there, and still, we are proud of becoming God. But God creates such millions of universes. Eko 'py asau racayitum jagad-anda-kotim. Koti, million. Yac-chaktir asti jagad-anda-caya yad-antah. He is creating, and everywhere He is present. How He is present? Andantara-stha. He's present within the universe and within the heart of all living entities, even within the atom. Andantara-stha-paramanu-cayantara... That is Krsna. That is only by His one part. Govindam adi-purusam tam aham bhajami **.

So such Govinda has become the son of Vasudeva and Devaki. So how it is possible? And therefore the devotee is so great that although Krsna, or God, is so great that by His one portion He can create the innumerable universes, He enters into the womb of Devaki and comes out as her son. This is Krsna's grace. You see. He can make His devotee so great that the greater than the greatest is coming out of the womb of Devaki. So apare vasudevasya devakyam. And why He agreed? Yacitah, yacitah: "requested." Requested as Sutapa and Prsni. Vasudeva was Prsni in his former life, and Devaki was Sutapa. Sutapa. Sutapa means one who can perform austerities and penance very nicely. Su means nicely, and tapah. So they underwent austerities and penance to get a son like Krsna.

So when Krsna was pleased with their tapasya, they wanted: "My Lord, we want a, a son like You." "So where is like Me?" Krsna is asamordhva. There is nobody equal to Krsna; nobody is greater than... Otherwise, how He can be great? If somebody is greater than Him, then how He can be great? Nobody can be greater than Him. That is greatness, either you say in English language or Muhammadan language. Allah akbar: "Allah, the Supreme Being, is the great." We also say, param brahma. So nobody can be greater than Him or equal. Asamordhva. So they wanted "a son like You." That means somebody must be equal to Him. "Like You" means equal to Him. So who can be equal to Krsna? But He can expand Himself with many equals. Advaitam acyutam anadim ananta-rupam [Bs 5.33]. Krsna can expand Himself in millions' and millions' forms. Goloka eva nivasaty akhilatma-bhutah [Bs. 5.37]. Everything is there. Although He is living in Goloka, still, by His omnipotency, omnipresence, He can be everywhere. Andantara-stha-paramanu-ca... So that Paramatma, or the Supersoul, is equal with Krsna. Not anything else equal with Krsna, but the Paramatma is equal with Krsna. Therefore by His expansion, He agreed to become son of Devaki, and there may be hundreds and thousands of Devaki, devotees. He is unlimited. His devotees are unlimited. Their demands are unlimited.

So everything is Krsna's unlimited. So therefore all-unlimited means Krsna, all-attractive. That is the real name of God, if God can be given one name. Because God has no name, but His names are given according to His activities. Then how to concentrate in one name? That one name is Krsna, all-attractive. That is the real name of Krsna.

Thank you very much. Hare Krsna. (end)

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.8.33 -- Mayapura, October 13, 1974

"Converting Crows Into Swans"

Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.8.33
Los Angeles, April 25, 1973

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Devotee:

apare vasudevasya
devakyam yacito 'bhyagat
ajas tvam asya ksemaya
vadhaya ca sura-dvisam

"Others say that since both Vasudeva and Devaki prayed for You, You have taken Your birth as their son. Undoubtedly You are unborn, yet You take Your birth for their welfare and to kill those who are envious of the demigods."

Prabhupada: So there are two purposes of incarnation. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gita.

yada yada hi dharmasya
glanir bhavati bharata
abhyutthanam adharmasya
tadatmanam srjamy aham
[Bg. 4.7]

The Lord says that whenever there is irregularities, dharmasya, of religion, irregularities... Glanih. Glanih means irregularities. Just like you are executing some service. There may be irregularities. Then it becomes polluted. So yada yada hi dharmasya glanir bhavati... Dharmasya glanir bhavati means development of irreligiosity. That means if your wealth is diminished, then your poverty is increased, balanced. If you increase this side, the other side will go up and if you increase that side, the other side... But you have to keep balance. That is required.

So in the human society, they are meant for keeping balance. What is that balance? They do not know that... It is just like balance. One side spirit, another side matter. We are now, actually, we are spirit soul. Somehow or other we have been encaged within this body, material body. For that purpose, so long we have got this body, we have got necessities of the body, eating, sleeping, mating, defending. These are the necessities of the body. Soul does not require all these things. Soul has nothing to eat. That we do not know. Whatever we are eating, that is, that is for keeping of this body. So the bodily necessities are there, but if you simply look after the bodily necessities and do not care to look after the necessity of the soul, that is foolish civilization. No balance. They do not know.

Just like a rascal. He's simply washing the coat, but does not take care of the body. Or a bird is in the cage and if you take care of the cage and don't take care of the bird within the cage... The bird is crying: "Ka Ka. Give me food, give me food." But you are taking care of the cage. This is foolishness. So why we are unhappy? Why, in your country especially... You are supposed to be the richest country in the world. You have no scarcity. No scarcity of food, no scarcity of motor car, no scarcity of bank balance, no scarcity of sex. Everything is there, complete, in full abundance. And still why a section of people are frustrated and confused like the hippies? They are not satisfied. Why? That is the defect. Because there is no balance. You are taking care of the bodily necessities of life, but you have no information of the soul. And there is necessity of the soul also. Because soul is the real subject matter. Body is the covering only.

So it is said that... No I'm explaining that verse. Dharmasya glanir bhavati. This is dharmasya glanih, pollution of duty. Dharma means duty. Dharma is not a kind of faith. In English dictionary it is said: "religion means a faith." No, no. It is not. Dharma means the actual constitutional duty. That is dharma. So if you have no information of the soul, if you do not know what is the need of the soul, simply you are busy on the bodily necessities of life, bodily comfort... So bodily comfort will not save you.

Suppose a man is very comfortably situated. Does it mean that he will not die? He'll die. So simply by bodily comforts you cannot exist. Survival of the fittest. Struggle for existence. So when we simply take care of the body, that is called dharmasya glanih, polluted. One must know what is the necessity of the body and what is the necessity of the soul. The real necessity of life is to supply the comforts of the soul. And the soul can be comforted not by material adjustment. Because soul is a different identity, the soul must be given spiritual food. That spiritual food is this Krsna consciousness. If you give the soul the spiritual food...

Food, there are, when one is diseased, you have to give him diet and medicine. Two things required. If you simply give medicine, no diet, that will be not very successful. Both things. So this Krsna consciousness movement is meant for giving food, means diet and medicine, to the soul. The medicine is the Hare Krsna maha-mantra. Bhavausadhac chrotra-mano-'bhiramat ka uttamasloka-gunanuvadat puman virajyeta vina pasughnat [SB 10.1.4]. The Pariksit Maharaja said to Sukadeva Gosvami that: "This Bhagavata discussion which you are prepared to give me, it is not ordinary thing." Nivrtta-tarsair upagiyamanat. This Bhagavata discussion is relishable by persons who are nivrtta-trsna. Trsna, trsna means hankering. Everyone in this material world is hankering, hankering. So one who is freed from this hankering, he can taste the Bhagavata, how palatable it is. It is such a thing. Nivrtta-tarsaih... Similarly bhagavata means also, the Hare Krsna mantra is also bhagavata. Bhagavata means anything in relationship with the Supreme Lord. That is called bhagavata. The Supreme Lord is called Bhagavan. Bhagavata-sabda, and in relationship with Him, anything, that bhagavata-sabda turns into bhagavata-sabda.

So Pariksit Maharaja said that the taste of Bhagavata can be relished by a person who has finished his hankering of material desires. Nivrtta-tarsair upagiyamanat. And what is, why such thing should be tasted? Bhavausadhi. Bhavausadhi, medicine for our disease of birth and death. Bhava means "become". Our... At the present moment, we are in diseased condition. They do not know what is the diseased condition, what is the healthy condition, these rascals. they do not know anything. Still they are passing on as great scientists, philosophers... They do not inquire that: "I do not want to die. Why death is enforced upon me?" There is no such inquiry. Neither is there any solution. And still they are scientists. What kind of scientists? If you can...

Science means that you advance in knowledge so that your miserable condition of life can be reduced, minimized. That is science. Otherwise, what is this science? They are simply promising; "In future." "But what you are delivering just now, sir?" "Now just now you suffer as you are suffering, go on suffering. In future we shall find out some chemicals." No. Actually atyantika-duhkha-nivrtti. Atyantika, ultimate. Atyantika means ultimate. Duhkha means sufferings. That should be the aim of human life. So they do not know what is atyantika-duhkha. Duhkha means suffering. So atyantika-duhkha is pointed out in the Bhagavad-gita. "Here is the atyantika-duhkha, sir." What is this? Janma-mrtyu-jara-vyadhi. Birth, death, old age and disease.

So what you have done for vanishing or making, or nullifying this duhkha, these sufferings? So there is no such thing in the material world. Atyantika-duhkha-nivrtti. Ultimate relinquishment from all kinds of suffering is stated in the Bhagavad-gita. What is that?

mam upetya punar janma
duhkhalayam asasvatam
napnuvanti mahatmanah
samsiddhim paramam gatah
[Bg. 8.15]

So you should read all this. You have got: Bhagavata, everything explanation. This is atyantika-duhkha-nivrtti, ultimate relinquishment from all sufferings. What is that? Mam upetya. "One who approaches Me or one who comes to Me, back to home, back to Godhead." So they have no knowledge what is God and whether one can go back to home, back to Godhead. It is a practical thing or not. No knowledge. Simply like animals. That's all. No knowledge. They pray: "O, God, give us our daily bread." Now ask him: "What is God?" Can he explain? No. Then whom we are asking? In the air? If I ask, if I submit some petition, there must be some person. So I do not know what is that person, where to submit this petition. Simply... They say that He's in the sky. The sky, there are so many birds also, but that is not God. You see. No knowledge, no knowledge. Imperfect knowledge, all. And they're passing on scientists, philosophers, great thinkers, writers, and... All rubbish, all rubbish. The only book is Srimad-Bhagavatam, Bhagavad-gita. All rubbish. In the Bhagavata it is said:

tad-vag-visargo janatagha-viplavo
yasmin prati-slokam abaddhavaty api
namany anantasya yaso 'nkitani yat
srnvanti gayanti grnanti sadhavah
[ SB 1.5.11]

And on the other side: na yad vacas citra-padam harer yaso jagat-pavitram pragrnita karhicit tad vayasam tirtham...[ SB 1.5.10]. Tad vayasam tirtham. Any literature which has no connection with the knowledge of God, tad, tad vayasam tirtham, that is just like the place where the crows take enjoyment. Where the crows take enjoyment? In the filthy place. And the swans, the white swans, they take pleasure in a nice, clear water where there is garden. where is birds.

So there are, even in the animals, there are divisions. Swan class and crow class. Natural division. The crow will not go to the swan. The swan will not go to the crow. Similarly in the human society, there are crow class men and swan class men. The swan class men will come here because here everything is clear, nice, good philosophy, good food, good education, good dress, good mind, everything good. And crow class men will go to such and such club, such and such party, naked dance, so many things. You see.

So this Krsna consciousness movement is meant for the swan class of men. Not for the crow class of men. No. But we can convert the crows into swans. That is our philosophy. One who was crow is now swimming like swan. That we can do. That is the benefit of Krsna consciousness. So when the swans become crows, that is material world. That is Krsna says: yada yada hi dharmasya glanir bhavati [Bg. 4.7]. The living entity is encaged in this material body and he's trying to gratify the senses, one body after another, one body after another, one body, after another. This is the position. And dharma means to gradually turn the crows into swans. That is dharma.

Just like one man may be, may remain, may be very illiterate, uncultured, but he can be converted into educated, cultured man. By education, by training. So that possibility is there in the human form of life. I cannot train a dog to become a devotee. That is difficult. It can be done also. But I may not be so powerful. Just like Caitanya Mahaprabhu did. When He was passing through the jungle, Jharikhanda, the tigers, the snakes, the deers, all the animals, they became devotee. They became devotee. So what was possible for me, uh, Caitanya Mahaprabhu... Because He's God Himself. He can do anything. We cannot do that. But we can work in the human society. It doesn't matter, however fallen a man is. If he follows our instruction then he can be turned.

That is called dharma. Dharma means to bring one to his original position. That is dharma. So there may be degrees. But the original position is that we are part and parcel of God, and, when we understand that we are part and parcel of God, that is our real position of life. That is called brahma-bhuta stage, understanding his Brahman realization, identification. So Krsna comes... This explanation...

Just like Kunti says that: apare vasudevasya devakyam yacito 'bhyagat. Vasudeva and Devaki prayed to the Supreme Personality of Godhead that: "We want a son like You. That is our desires." Although they were married, they were, they did not beget any child. They engaged themselves in tapasya, severe tapasya. So Krsna came before them: "What do you want?" "Now we want a child like You." Therefore here it is said: vasudevasya devakyam yacitah. Yacitah. "Sir, we want a son like You." Now what, where there is possibility of another God? Krsna is God. God cannot be two. God is one. So how there can be another God to become the son of Vasudeva and Devaki? Therefore God agreed that: "It is not possible to find out another God. Then I shall become your son."

So people say that because Vasudeva and Devaki wanted Krsna as their son, He appeared. Kecit. Somebody says. Vasudevasya devakyam yacitah. Being requested, being prayed for, abhyagat, He appeared. Ajas tvam asya ksemaya vadhaya ca sura-dvisam. Others says the same thing, as I was explaining. Paritranaya sadhunam vinasaya ca duskrtam [Bg. 4.8]. Actually Krsna comes to pacify His devotee. Just like He appeared to pacify, to satisfy His devotee, Vasudeva and Devaki. But when He comes, He does the other business. What is that? Vadhaya ca sura-dvisam. Vadhaya means killing. Sura-dvisam.

There is a class of men, they are called asuras. They are sura-dvisam. They are always envious of the devotees. They are called demons. Just like Prahlada Maharaja and his father Hiranyakasipu. Hiranyakasipu is the father of Prahlada Maharaja, but because Prahlada Maharaja was a devotee, he became envious. That is the nature of the demons. So much so envious, that he was prepared to kill his own son. The only fault is that little boy, he was chanting Hare Krsna. That is his fault. The father could not. Therefore they are called sura-dvisam, always envious of the devotees. Demon means always envious of the devotees. This material world is nuisance place that...

Just you have got a very nice example. Just like Jesus Christ, Lord Christ. So what was his fault? But the sura-dvisam, the envious persons killed him. And if we find, if we analyze, what is the fault of Jesus Christ, there is no fault. The only fault he was preaching about God. And still he'd find so many enemies. He was cruelly crucified. So you'll always find this, sura-dvisam. So Krsna comes to kill these sura-dvisam. Therefore vadhaya ca sura-dvisam. These envious persons are killed.

But this killing business can be done without the presence of Krsna. Because there are so many natural forces, war, pestilence, famine. Anything. Just set on working. Millions of people can be killed. So Krsna does not require to come here to kill these rascals. They can be killed simply by Krsna's direction, nature's law. Prakrteh kriyamanani gunaih karmani sarvasah [Bg. 3.27]. Srsti-sthiti-pralaya-sadhana-saktir eka [Bs. 5.44]. The nature has got so much power that it can create, it can maintain, it can annihilate, dissolute, everything. Nature is so powerful.

Srsti-sthiti-pralaya. Srsti means creation and sthiti means maintenance and pralaya means destruction. These three things nature can do. Just like this creation, material creation is natural, nature, cosmic manifestation. It is being maintained. By nature's mercy, we are getting sunlight, we are getting air, we are getting rains and thereby we are growing our food, eating nicely, growing nicely. This maintenance also being done by nature, But at any time everything can be finished simply by one strong wind. Nature is so powerful. So for killing these demons, nature is already there. Of course, nature is working under the direction of Krsna. Mayadhyaksena prakrtih suyate sa-caracaram [Bg. 9.10]. So if Krsna says that these demons may be killed, then nature's one blast, one strong wind will, can kill millions of them.

So for that purpose Krsna does not require to come. But Krsna comes as it is stated here, that: yacita. Krsna comes when He is requested by devotee like Vasudeva and Devaki. That is His coming. That is the cause of His coming. And simultaneously when He comes He also shows that, that "Anyone who is envious of My devotees, I kill them. I kill them." Of course, His killing and maintaining, the same thing. He's absolute. Those who are killed by Krsna, they immediately get salvation, which requires millions of years to get. So people say like that, that Krsna came for this purpose or that purpose, but actually Krsna comes for the benefit of the devotees, ksemaya. What is the meaning of ksemaya? For maintenance?

Devotee: "For the good."

Prabhupada: For the good. For the good of the devotees. He's always after seeing good of the devotees. Therefore from this instruction of Kunti, our business should be always how to become devotee. Then all good qualities will come upon us. Yasyasti bhaktir bhagavaty akincana sarvair gunais tatra samasate surah. If you simply develop your devotion, dormant devotion, natural devotion... We have got natural devotion.

Just like father and son, there is natural affection. And the son has got natural devotion to the father, for father, for mother. Similarly, we have got our natural devotion. When we are actually in danger, even the scientists, they also pray to God. But when they are not in danger, they defy. God. So therefore danger is required in order to teach these rascals that there is God. So that is natural. Jivera svarupa haya nitya-krsna-dasa [Cc. Madhya 20.108-109]. That is our natural... Artificially we are trying to banish God. "God is dead, there is no God, I am God, this God, that God." This rascaldom we shall give up. Then we shall be given all protection by Krsna.

Thank you very much. (end)

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.8.33 -- Los Angeles, April 25, 1973