Nitai: "Others say that the world, being overburdened like a boat at sea, is much aggrieved, and that Brahma, who is Your son, prayed for You, and so You have appeared to diminish the trouble."
Prabhupada:
bharavataranayanye
bhuvo nava ivodadhau
sidantya bhuri-bharena
jato hy atma-bhuvarthitah
So Brahma's another name is Atma-bhu. He is born from Garbhodakasayi Visnu without the help of Laksmi. Laksmi was there; she was massaging on the lotus feet of the Lord, but the Lord did not take help of Laksmi, and He gave birth to Brahma. Therefore Brahma's another name is Atma-bhu, "born from the father directly, without taking the help of the mother." So another name is Svayambhu. Brahma's another name is Svayambhu.
svayambhur naradah sambhuh
kumarah kapilo manuh
prahlado janako bhismo
balir vaiyasakir vayam
[SB 6.3.20]
Out of the twelve authorities of sastra, Brahma is the origin, and he has been explained as Svayambhu. Atma-bhu, like that.
So this is the Supreme Personality's omnipotency. He does not require the help of another woman to beget child. Even Brahma, he has given birth to so many children not through woman but from his different parts of the body. So this we cannot conceive, because we are materially impeded. We cannot understand this is possible. So possibility and impossibility does not depend on our understanding. We have to take knowledge from the authority. Here, in the Vedic literature, we understand that Brahma was born directly from the father. So we have to accept it. That is called Vedic knowledge. You cannot argue. That is possible. That is omnipotency. All potencies are there.
So Brahma was approached by the earth, mother earth. She felt overburdened by the sinful activities of the demons. So Brahma approaches Narayana, er, Visnu -- not directly he can see, but he can stand on the bank of the ocean of milk, and from there he can submit his petition. And Garbhodakasayi Visnu gives His order. So once upon a time, when the whole world was overburdened -- this is the history of Krsna's birth -- so the earthly planet approached Brahma to appeal to Garbhodakasayi Visnu to have His incarnation to diminish the burden of the world. The world is, of course, it is very heavy. We can understand there are so many oceans and so many big, big hills, besides your skyscraper building, and certainly the whole lump of matter is very heavy. But not only this planet, but many other planets, even the sun planet. It is heavier by fourteen hundred thousand times. Still, they are floating in the air by... Why? Because Krsna enters in each of them.
In each of them... Gam avisya. Dharayamy aham ojasa. Krsna says in the Bhagavad-gita that "I enter into each planetary system, each universe, and by My power I hold it. It is floating." Why it is floating? Because Krsna is there. The atheist may not believe it, but it is a fact. It is a fact. How? Just like an animal or a man, while he is living, he can float in the air or in the water. That everyone has seen. But if the man is dead, it will not float. It will fall down. Is it not a fact? So why it is floating? Because a very small particle of Krsna's spiritual potency is there. That is living entity. Big, big... An elephant, he can also float in the water, and the horses, elephant, and what to speak of man? This is practical. Because a small particle of the Supreme is there within this body... Dehino 'smin yatha dehe [Bg. 2.13]. Very small particle. How much small? One ten-thousandth part of the top of the hair, so small. It has got so power that it can hold the whole body floating in the air. Air... There are very, very big, big birds. They are floating in the air, very, very big eagle. They fly from one planet to another. Their resting place is... They start from one planet, and they go and rest in other planet. And they lay their eggs while flying. That eggs also become a bird simply by air cohesion. That's all.
Devotee: Friction.
Prabhupada: Friction, yes. So there are so, so big, big arrangement in the kingdom of God. So it is not very difficult for Him to give birth to Brahma or to float this whole universe or the planets in the air. We shall have to apply our intelligence by comparative study. So if it is possible to float a big body... There are many big bodies. The whale fish, it is as big as a ship. Still, it is floating. Why? That small particle of spiritual entity is there. Therefore it is floating. Then, if the Supreme Person enters into a big lump of matter, why it will not float? What is the reason? At least I try to understand in this way. Am I wrong or right? What is your opinion? Eh? No, it is...
So this is called faith. This is called faith. Unless you have got faith, you cannot understand what is Krsna. Adau sraddha. Sraddha: "Yes, Krsna can make anything possible." That faith we must maintain. That is the basic... That has been explained by Krsnadasa Kaviraja Gosvami, what is faith. "Faith means complete conviction." Sraddha-sabde visvasa kahe sudrdha niscaya. That is faith. Visvasa. If I say something and if you believe cent percent, that is called faith. That is called faith. Not that "It may be," or... No. So sraddha-sabde visvasa. Visvasa means faith. How? What kind of faith? Sudrdha niscaya, firm faith, without any doubt. Niscaya. And what is that faith? Krsne bhakti kaile sarva-karma krta haya. If one is surrendered to Krsna, then his all duty is done, finished. He has nothing to do. Na tasya karyam karanam ca vidyate. As Krsna has nothing to do -- He has got so much potency that things are done very automatically -- similarly, if you faith, have faith in Krsna -- krsne bhakti kaile sarva-karma -- then everything will be done automatically. Krsna will do for him. What is the difficulty there?
So this big, big lump of matter, earthly planet, they are actually not heavy, but it becomes heavier when there are demons. Demons means material activities. If there is spiritual activity, it remains very light. And if there is too much material activity and materialistic persons, it become heavier and troublesome. So such time became possible, and therefore the earthly planet went to Brahma to appeal to Visnu to take His incarnation. So somebody says that bharavatara..., taranaya, avataranaya, to diminish the burden, burden... Just like a bad son is a burden of the father. This has been explained by Canakya Pandita that a stupid son... Ko 'rthah putrena jatena yo na vidvan na bhaktiman: "What is the use of getting a son who is neither learned nor a devotee? Useless." Ko 'rthah putrena jatena: "Such kind of son, what is the use?" The son who is not a devotee... Two things are required: the son should be a devotee or a learned. Without being learned, nobody can become devotee. If one becomes devotee, he's learned also. But sometimes materially learned, not devotee, it happens. So if one is neither learned nor devotee, what is the use of such son? The example is given: kanena caksusa kimva caksuh pidaiva kevalam: "If you have got one eye, cataract, you cannot see, but it is always troublesome." Unless you get it operated, it is simply troublesome. In many places it is said, Canakya Pandita... Ko 'rthah putrena jatena. Varam eko guni putro na ca murkha-satair api: "If you get one son, very qualified, that is preferred. What is the use of having many sons and all of them are rascals and fools?" Na ca murkha-satair api.
So as a father becomes perplexed when there are rascal sons, similarly, when there are increase of rascal population the world becomes overburdened. Therefore it is called... It is said in the Bhagavad-gita, varna-sankara. Varna-sankara. Now the whole world is practically full of varna-sankara. First of all, there is no division of varnas. Catur-varnyam maya srstam guna-karma-vibhagasah [Bg. 4.13]. According to quality, it can be done. But people are not interested. They want hodge-podge. Therefore they are suffering. They cannot systematically do anything. So when the system of varna and asrama is destroyed... Just like in Western countries there is no such thing as varna and asrama. Therefore the varna-sankara, the hippies... That is varna-sankara. So varna-sankara... In the Bhagavad-gita... If the varna-sankara increases, strisu dustasu varna-sankaro jayate. When women become polluted, no fixed-up husband -- that is pollution for woman, no chaste, no chastity -- then this varna-sankara will come out. And when the world is overpopulated by varna-sankara, it will become a burden. Therefore it so became, atheist, varna-sankara, demons. So it was unbearable by the earthly planet. And it is said, yada yada hi dharmasya glanir bhavati bharata, tadatmanam srjamy aham [Bg. 4.7]. Therefore mother earth went to appeal, "Please come and save me. I am very much overburdened." Therefore it is said, bharavataranaya: "diminish."
So five thousand years ago Krsna came to kill some of the demons. Not all of them were demons. But next time, when Krsna will come, it will be only demons. Only demons. Kalki avatara. What is that stotra? Kesava dhrta-kalki-sarira jaya jagadisa hare. So at that time Krsna will not preach Bhagavad-gita. Kalki avatara will simply come to cut the throat only. That will be the preaching. That will be preaching. Mleccha-nivaha-nidhane kalayasi karavalam, karalam. Karalam means death personified. Mleccha-nidhane. Mleccha means meat-eaters. Those who are meat-eaters, fish-eaters, they are mlecchas. Mleccha-yavana, they are called, according to Vedic... So people are becoming meat-eaters nowadays. I have... There is no secrecy. Formerly, at least in India, the meat-eaters used to eat meat very secretly. We had seen in our childhood. If somebody will meat-eat, it was not allowed within the house. They, formerly, rich men, they used to keep Muslim servants as the caretaker of the horse or the carriage driver. So in the (horse)(?) stable(?) they would secretly cook some meat, and the so-called Babu, Zamindar, will eat. It was not allowed. And those who are not rich men -- poor men, sudra class -- they would go to Kali-ghata, and get one goat, sacrifice there, and cook there and eat, then come back. Meat-eating was not at all allowed. The higher caste, especially the brahmanas, they would never touch. Still in some provinces, in Maharastra provinces, in Madras... Of course, they are now taking.
So meat-eaters means mleccha. So now that is increasing, meat-eaters. So when wholesale population will be meat-eaters, mleccha, they'll not understand anything about spiritual matter -- "Why it is forbidden?" because the meat-eaters, they cannot understand anything about spiritual matter. It is very difficult. Vina pasughnat. Pariksit Maharaja said,
nivrtta-tarsair upagiyamanad
bhavausadhac chrotra-mano-'bhiramat
ka uttamasloka-gunanuvadat
puman virajyeta vina pasughnat
[SB 10.1.4]
This chanting of Hare Krsna maha-mantra is possible by a person who is nivrtta-tarsa. Nivrtta-tarsa. Nivrtta means finished. Brahmany upasamasrayam. We have to finish this material business before we can understand spiritual thing. If one has got still inclination for material things, it is useless waste of time for him to understand, try to understand what is spiritual thing. So nivrtta-tarsair upagiyamanat. Actually the holy name of Lord can be chanted by a person like Haridasa Thakura, who has no other desire, material desire. But those are not like Haridasa Thakura, they may take... Bhavausadhi. If he chants, then gradually he'll be released from this material disease. For them, this is the chance. Actually it is meant for liberated person like Haridasa Thakura. Then why we are chanting? We are chanting -- ceto-darpana-marjanam [Cc. Antya 20.12] -- to cleanse our heart, to cure the material disease.
So it is actually relished by the liberated persons, but those who are diseased like us, they can chant and gradually cure the material disease. This is the basic principle of chanting the holy name of Krsna. Nivrtta-tarsair upagiyamanat. Upagiyamana, it is chanting. Why? Bhavausadhi. It is medicine of this bhava-roga. What is that bhava-roga? Bhava-roga... Bhava means you become, means take your birth and again die. Bhutva bhutva praliyate. This is our disease. This is called samsara. All these rascals in the material world, they are simply getting one body and again... Vasamsi jirnani yatha viha... When it is useless, no more can be used, then you get another body according to the price you pay. Just like when your garment is old, you purchase another garment. So you can purchase very good garment, or not very good garment, as you pay price. Similarly, to get a different type of garment or this body, you'll have to pay price. Price. If you are in higher status of consciousness, then urdhvam gacchanti sattva-sthah: you get your body in the higher planetary system where the comforts are thousands and thousand times better than this.
We can understand that, that the material comforts in the Western countries are better than in this country. Similarly, urdhvam gacchanti sattva-sthah. We can go to the higher planetary systems; we get more duration of life. Just like Brahma has got very, very long, millions and millions of years to our calculation. Just like the insect who comes, attacks us at night. Their duration of life? That night only. Within the night, they are born, they have sex life, and they beget children and increase the population, and as soon as the night finished, all finished. They have got also duration of life. And if you say to them that "There is another animal called man. This night is only twelve hours. And he has got day, another twelve hours. In this way, one month. In... Thirty days. And then..." He becomes surprised: "How it is possible?" Similarly, when we calculate the age of Brahma, we become astonished, "How such millions and millions of years...?" Because we, in comparison to Brahma, we are like insect.
So this is scientific. This world is relative. This is relative world. According to your position, you get. The time is also relative. What is present, past, present, future for you, that is not past, present, future for others. So what is past, present for Brahma, that is not past, present, future for us. Everything is relative. And in the creation of Krsna there are so many relativities. Therefore it is called relative world. Time is eternal, but on account of our relative birth and death, we make our own past and present. Otherwise, time is eternal. Therefore, for Krsna, there is no such thing as past, present and future. Because He is He, He's time eternal. Therefore He knows everything. Vedaham. Just like you know, present, everything -- there is no past; there is no future -- similarly, for Krsna there is no such, past and future. Therefore He could say that "Formerly, millions and trillions of years ago," according to Arjuna's calculation, "I spoke this Bhagavad-gita to sun-god." He did not believe it because he is relatively calculating past and present. But Krsna is not within that past and present. Therefore Krsna said that "Both I and you, you and Me, we appear many times." Bahuni me vyatitani. "And you were also... But you forget because you have got past, present, future. I have no such thing. Therefore I remember."
So in this way, if people become irreligious or not spiritual, the burden of the world becomes heavier, unbearable. That you can understand. I have already explained. This body, this body, you weigh it. Say, it is one man, fifty seras or something like... But as soon as it will be dead, the burden will... The weight will increase. Is it not? What do you think? The weight will increase. Not the same weight. So, so long people are materialistic, the burden will increase. And so long people are spiritualistic, there will be no burden. So bharavataranaya anye bhuvo nava ivodadhau. Just like if there is a boat, then you can cross over the sea or the river with the help, so when you are Krsna conscious, then you can cross over the sea of nescience very easily. Bhuvo nava iva udadhau, sidantya bhuri-bharena. Bhuri-bharena, very heavily burdened. So she was lamenting, "My Lord, save me." So the conclusion is that if people become simply atheistic or materialistic... Materialistic means atheistic. And then the weight of the earth, or any planet, will increase and the situation will degrade, and everyone will be unhappy and there will be restlessness. And at that time, Krsna comes. He says, yada yada hi dharmasya glanir bhavati [Bg. 4.7].
So at the present moment, the actually it is overburdened by the material activities. So Krsna has descended already. Krsna has descended already. Nama-rupe kali-kale krsna avatara. Krsna has taken His incarnation in the form of Hare Krsna maha-mantra. So if people take to it, chanting Hare Krsna maha-mantra, the present situation of the world can be favorable for our living, and atmosphere will change. Therefore the Krsna consciousness movement is meant for this purpose, to give people relief from all these burdens so that they can peacefully live, understand the value of life, and become spiritualized so they live peacefully in this life and go back to home, back to Godhead. That is the mission of the Krsna consciousness movement.
Thank you very much. (end)
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