Prabhupada: ...innocent child, woman,
they're innocent. They should be given full protection. There is no such thing.
They're being exploited, keeping them unmarried, and the hotels, and the clubs,
and the, what is called? Top... top...Devotees: Topless.Prabhupada:
Topless, bottomless. That is going on. It is a regular policy that girls may
remain unmarried, and the drunkards and the meat-eaters may take advantage of
the prostitution. This is the policy. They have no sympathy. So many hundreds
and thousands of innocent girls, they're like children. And they're exposed to
prostitution. They have no shelter. Now these girls who are with us, they're
feeling some shelter, you see? That we are giving some shelter. Everything
should be reformed, political, social, and be, you American nation -- you're
favored nation, that I am always speaking; you should utilize the favor of God
and be yourself perfect -- and be leader of the whole world. Anyone who is not
believer in God, he should be punished. Because he's animal. He is animal, and
he is posing himself as human being. Cheater. Human life is meant for tapasya,
for understanding God. That is human life. This dog's life, cat's life, this is
not human life. If you become a very powerful tiger, is that human life? They're
thinking like that. "If I become as strong as a tiger, then there we are perfect
nation." Then what is the use of tiger? It is simply kill only. What other
intelligence he has got? So in your country there are so many things to be done.
I give you the idea, now you take the leaders. [break] Rascal. Sentimental. Be
yourself leader. [break] ...you give up all this material advancement. But there
must be Krsna consciousness. Otherwise it is waste of time. Live very
comfortably, gentlemanly. Krsna never says that "You live like wretched
urchins." Krsna never says that. Yuktahara-viharasya yogo bhavati duhkha-ha. And
this was practically introduced by my Guru Maharaja, that living in palatial
building and riding on first-class cars, one can become the best devotee. Not
that one has to live underneath a tree, imitating Rupa Gosvami. That is not
possible in this age. That is the continuation of my Guru Maharaja, that if one
is sincere he can remain a first-class devotee even in this material opulence.
And if he would not have introduced, then it was not possible to come here and
preach this gospel. That because the principle was to live underneath a tree, go
to Vrndavana, and have loincloth, just like the babajis are imitating. No. Even
in full material opulence we can become a perfect devotee, provided you follow
the principles. It doesn't matter. Grhe va... It was sung by Narottama dasa
Thakura long ago. Grhe va banete thake. Either you live in the forest or in the
city, opulent city, the business is gauranga bole rakhe: always thinking of Lord
Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Narottama mage tarsan.(?) Narottama dasa Thakura says, "I
want their association, who is a devotee of Lord Gauranga." It doesn't matter
whether he lives in the forest or in the opulent city. It doesn't matter. He
must be devotee. [break] Household life or in city life we should not be
extravagant, unnecessarily eating, unnecessarily enjoying. No, that is not
the... One man's food, another man's poison. We must know this philosophy.
[break] ...and even we..., my health is not always going on nicely. Still, why I
am trying? That is my ambition. I want to begin one revolution. Their godless
civilization..., against godless civilization. That is my ambition. The America
will be the best person to be educated in this line and to lead, to become the
leaders. They're already leader, but they must be real leader now, so that the
whole world may be happy. That I can give direction. If the topmost American
gentlemen come to me, I can give them direction how they can become the world
leader. Actual leader. Actual leader, not bogus leader. Because God has favored
them, so many things. And this movement has been started from America. I started
this movement from New York. So it should be taken very seriously by the
government. [break]Hrdayananda: ...important?Prabhupada:
Ah?Hrdayananda: You're saying that America is the most
important?Prabhupada: Yes.Hrdayananda: You think...Prabhupada:
Therefore I come to your country...Hrdayananda: So perhaps...Prabhupada:
...because you're most important. Now you must... Under my guidance you must be
real important, not false important.Hrdayananda: So perhaps I should stay
here then and preach.Prabhupada: Ah?Hrdayananda: If it is so important,
I think perhaps I should stay here and help Rupanuga.Prabhupada: Yes. Turn
your whole nation, turn into God consciousness, because they've declared in the
Constitution, "In God we trust." Now they must take it very seriously. What does
it mean by "God"? What does it mean by "trust"? You take this propaganda. We are
doing, actually. We trust in God; therefore we have sacrificed our whole life
for God. This is trust in God. Not that smoking in the parlor, and you trust in
God. Not that kind of trust. Real trust. Trust means first of all you know what
is God. Suppose that if you say "Trust this man." But I must know what is this
man. Then my trust will be convinced, that "He is very respectful man, he's rich
man, he's able man..." Yes, I can trust. But simply trust in God, you do not
know what is God, what is trust, and it is going on. Why this bluff? Ah? What
you say?Prajapati: That that's right, Srila Prabhupada.Prabhupada: Yes.
So you must take this clue, that we Americans, we say "In God we trust." Now,
every American should know what is God, what is trust. This is propaganda, Krsna
consciousness. The government must come forward to patronize this. This is my
proposition. So you write articles, you are theologicians. The America must rise
up to the occasion. They have pledged themselves, "In God we trust." Every human
nation or every human being should be like that. In God they must trust. So
America, especially taken up the slogan as part of Constitution. Now there
should be regular educational program, that every child, every man, every woman
will trust in God. And this is Krsna consciousness. So? Am I wrong in my
arguments?Devotee: No, correct.Prabhupada: So why don't you take it
seriously, you American boys?Prajapati: Also in the Constitution, Srila
Prabhupada, there is a thing called separation of church and state, that they
would have...Prabhupada: Yes, that is all right. We want to educate, we
don't want to take part in administration. But the administration should be
under our guidance; they should take advice from us, how to do it. That is
required. We are not going to be president. We are satisfied in our humble
temple.Karandhara: According to traditional American values, though, the
government should not take instruction from the church.Prabhupada: That is
their... But... Church means... Because they've seen church is
useless.Karandhara: Yes.Prabhupada: Now here is scientific church. They
refuse to take advice from the church because at the present moment church is a
bogus thing. So what is the use of taking advice from them?Hrdayananda: That
was actually... That was actually the reason they made that
separation.Prabhupada: Yes.Hrdayananda: They became disgusted with
the...Prabhupada: Yes. It's simply, we can say, what is called? Stereotype,
the church. Just like you said they want more pay. Payment... They have no
knowledge, so what is the use of taking advice from such rascals? What is the
use? But here it is not like that. We know the science of God. We know who is
God. It is not a vague thing. Now you try to understand. Let there be
educational institution. America has got so many universities. Let there be a
department. There is already a religious department. So let the students learn
the science of God. We have got so many books. Why they will not? They are
actually appreciating. So this should be introduced in the university, in
colleges, in schools. Why they should neglect such a, such an important
scientific knowledge?Devotee (1): When we try to introduce it sometimes,
they very often say that it is sectarian.Prabhupada: Not sectarian. You do
not know. Why do you say sectarian? How it is sectarian?Devotee (1): They
say that it represents...Prabhupada: We are preaching God consciousness. So
is it not for everyone? God consciousness is sectarian? Is it meant for certain
sect? Or it is meant for human beings?Hrdayananda: The difficulty is that
nowadays every common man has his own God..., theory of God
consciousness.Prabhupada: No, no, every common man he says "I got my
mathematics." Will he be accepted?Hrdayananda: No.Prabhupada: So why
these things should be allowed? That is our proposition. Every man will say,
"No, I've got my own mathematics." Will he be allowed? So we have to fight,
otherwise what is the meaning of preaching?Hrdayananda:
Fight.Prabhupada: If you think that everything will be accepted very easily,
then what is the necessity of preaching?Hrdayananda: Jaya!Prabhupada:
And propaganda.Hrdayananda: You have to fight.Prabhupada: You must know
that they are all rascals. That I said, rascals, unbelievers. You have to
convert them to be sane man. That is preaching.Hrdayananda:
Jaya.Prabhupada: That is preaching. What do you expect that every man will
immediately go and he'll agree with you? Why do you expect like that? That is
foolishness.Hrdayananda: Jaya!Prabhupada: You must know that everybody
will disagree with you, and it is your preaching work that you will make him
agree with you. That is your preaching work.Hrdayananda: Jaya, Prabhupada!
As your example.Prabhupada: Yes. We do not expect that everyone will agree.
Everybody will disagree. Just like our book. Say, four, five years ago, nobody
knew these books. So there was no market. But we have created our market. That
is preaching. We have created our market. Nobody was dying for want of these
books. So that is preaching. Preaching does not mean everyone is ready to accept
your theories. You must expect that everyone will not accept it. Now it is your
power to convince him, "Yes, you must accept." That is
preaching.Hrdayananda: Jaya, Prabhupada.Prabhupada: They must know what
is God, how to trust Him, why we shall trust God, what is the benefit. These
things should be known, properly educated.Hrdayananda: Jaya,
Prabhupada.Prabhupada: And we have got the science. We are not speaking
blindly or, what is called, sentimentally. (japa) [break]Prajapati:
...movement for the church today, Srila Prabhupada, is called the ecumenical
movement. Ecumenical movement means all the different divergent groups are
trying to get together to understand..., you know, make a common ground. Now we
have the perfect platform...Prabhupada: Yes.Prajapati: ...for giving
them that common ground.Prabhupada: Yes, that is your duty. You do it as
theologicians. Bring them on the platform. This so-called church is going on.
They're doing all sorts of sinful activities, and it is going on church and
religion. Therefore the importance of Christian religion is diminishing. How
they can bluff all the time? (japa)Hrdayananda: When you came to America,
for one year no one would help you.Prabhupada: Ah?Hrdayananda: When you
came to America, you told us in Pittsburgh, that for one year no one would help
you, you had no place.Prabhupada: Yes. [break]Hrdayananda: ...child.
(Prabhupada chuckles) The perfect example. [break] Jaya.Prabhupada: That is
Krsna consciousness. Real help for real friend is my Krsna. That is Krsna
consciousness. Suhrdam sarva-bhutanam [Bg. 5.29]. He's not only my friend, He's
friend of, even of the ant. That is Krsna consciousness.Yasomatinandana:
(indistinct) ...when Prabhupada didn't get help from anybody...Prabhupada:
Yes.Yasomatinandana: ...he just got help from Krsna.Prabhupada: Krsna is
the friend of everyone. We don't take His help, that is the difficulty. He says,
He's guaranteed, that "If you just surrender to Me, I'll give you all
protection." Such a friend who can give, there. But they'll not do that.
Actually if one trusts in God, then everything is there,
perfectly.Prajapati: So if they did trust in God, they would not have all
these problems today.Prabhupada: No. It is factual. Just like in modern...
Immediate problem is the petrol. Nobody trusts in God. The Arabians, they're
thinking that this oil, "Our oil." But actually, his father has not manufactured
this oil. It is God's oil. None of them believe in God, either the Arabians or
the others. Therefore there is crisis. It is practical. Is the petrol
manufactured by man? So why a section of man is claiming, "It is my petrol"? If
somebody says, "It is my Pacific Ocean," what is this nonsense? Because they are
going on under this nonsense ideas, therefore there is problem.Devotee (1):
Sometimes they claim the Pacific Ocean as their own.Prabhupada: Ah?
Ah?Devotee (1): Some countries claim, you know, twelve, three hundred miles
of the ocean is being their ocean.Prabhupada: That's all right, three
hundred miles, let them claim. But not the oil. (devotees chuckle) If I say "Now
the sandy beach, two miles mine," you can say, but what is that talk? (laughs)
But it belongs to the government. You can say... A child may come, "Oh, this is
my area, you cannot come." (laughter) That is going on. But is that sanity? The
father will laugh: "All right, let him, demarcation, this area." So this
foolishness is going on. Our philosophy... Isavasyam idam sarvam [Iso mantra 1].
Everything belongs to God. This is philosophy.Hrdayananda: Jaya,
Prabhupada.Prabhupada: But these rascals, they won't accept it, although it
is fact. Although it is fact. But they will not accept it. Therefore preaching
is required, education required, to bring him into sense. This is fact. This
portion of the ocean does not belong to any nation or any person; it belongs to
God. This moon belongs to God, the sky belongs to God. But they're thinking, "It
is mine." And therefore there is trouble. Just like government. The Senate is
there, so they sit down together, and if there is any problem they discuss
together to find out the solution. Similarly, they have got this United Nation.
Why do they not consider, "First of all let us settle to whom this planet
belongs"?Hrdayananda: Jaya.Prabhupada: They're United Nation, first of
all let us settle. They are fighting: "I'm Arabian," "I'm Indian," "I'm
American," "I'm Englishman..." "All right, let us settle actually to whom this
planet belongs." They cannot do that, because all of them are thieves. None of
them will agree that it belongs to God. The real fact, that they will not agree.
Then how there can be peace? Because they're all cheaters. They want to cheat
God. God's property, they're claiming "ours." All thieves and rogues, so how
there can be any settlement? There cannot be any settlement.Devotee (1): If
we approached them and we said something like that, they would
laugh.Prabhupada: That's because they're rogues. Against their ideals. "Why
you're laughing like fools? Does it belong to you or your father? This whole
world? Why you are laughing like a fool?" You should have said like that.
"You're laughing not like a gentleman; you're laughing like a fool. Can you say
that it belongs to your father? Or you'll be allowed to stay here in America?
After some years you'll be kicked out. Do you know where you were going? Why you
are laughing like fools?" This should be the answer.Karandhara: The Arabs,
some of the Arabs, they say they believe in God, but that everyone else
is...Prabhupada: Nobody believes in God. That is our proposition. Nobody
believes... All this bogus. Now they should come to understand what is God.
This, in this Krsna consciousness movement. Nobody believes, neither know what
is God. Here we are giving the name, the address, the form, the activities,
everything of God -- Krsna consciousness. Let all the Arabians, all the
Americans, let come to us. Those who are chief men, intelligent man, we shall
convince them. That is our preaching.Karandhara: There's one Arab leader, he
goes to the temple five times a day, he doesn't eat meat, er, doesn't drink
liquor or smoke or go out with women...Prabhupada: Yes, these are, these are
prohibited in Muhammadan villages.Karandhara: Yes.Prabhupada: Yes. But
still it is good. To some extent, he's advanced.Karandhara: He doesn't allow
any liquor shops or tobacco shops in this country.Prabhupada: Yeah, that's
good.Karandhara: Khadafi.Hrdayananda: Which country is
it?Prabhupada: All these things are sinful. To drink is sinful. Even among
the Muhammadans. To smoke, sinful. They have got austerities. Their
animal-killing is once in a year. (Hindi) Only animals should be sacrificed in
worship. There are so many things. Every religion there is good thing, but then
nobody follows. Simply defined, "I'm Christian," "I'm Muhammadan," "I am
Hindu..." That's all. He's neither of them. He's simply animal. He's simply
animal. Just like these rascal Christian. The first proposition is "Thou shalt
not kill," and see they're simply killing, and they're claiming "Christians."
Just see. All rascals, and they're claiming, "We're follower of Christian."
[break] ...propaganda is to teach all these rascals. Therefore we say general
rascals. It may be very strong... That professor was referring, "Yes, everyone
is rascal." You know that professor?Karandhara: Yes. He thought "rascals"
was a bit harsh.Prabhupada: Yes. Krsna says rascal;
therefore...Yasomatinandana: But he... The professor, when he left he said
that "Prabhupada is very, very gentle," he said. He's the most gentle man he's
ever seen.Devotee: Gentle like a rose, and strong like a thunderstorm.
[break]Prabhupada: ...India. Just start this movement
seriously.Yasomatinandana: Yes, Prabhupada.Prabhupada: Yes. And Bombay
is the best center.Yasomatinandana: I'm being very enthused when you say
these things to...Prabhupada: Yes. There is great field to conquer, and you
are educated and intelligent, capable. You have got qualification, you can do
this very good work.Yasomatinandana: We think that it may be impractical to
go in the politics or like that. But then when you say so firmly, all the
whole..., immediately our eyes get open, you see? "Yes, actually, this is
possible."Prabhupada: Why not possible?Yasomatinandana: What is
impossible for a Krsna's devotee?Prabhupada: Yes.Yasomatinandana: Krsna
is the supreme controller.Prabhupada: Yes. That conviction you must have. If
you are sincere to Krsna, if you are actually serving Krsna, where is impossible
to you? Where is impossible? There's nothing impossible.Yasomatinandana:
Mukham karoti vacalam pangum langhayate girim. Prabhupada: That one of my
important Godbrothers says. He's sincere. All others, they are rascals. He says
that "In the Caitanya-caritamrta it is said prthivite ache yata nagaradi grama.
So we were thinking that this is imagination, that Caitanya Mahaprabhu's cult
would be spread all over the world, everyone will chant. So you have done it."
So he's appreciating in that way. "But we are simply thinking that it is not
possible, it is simply imagination. But that you have made it possible." So that
is his appreciation.Hrdayananda: Because you are so faithful. So
(indistinct), more firmer. [break]Devotee (3): That's what he
says.Prabhupada: He says?Devotee (3): He says that, yes.Prabhupada:
What they said?Devotee (3): Ah... They believe him.Prabhupada:
Ah?Devotee (3): The Maharaj-ji...Devotee (4): He said that... He said
that everyone in the world will become his devotees, but we'll... The Krsna
conscious devotees will be the last. But they'll be the best.Prabhupada:
(indistinct) (everyone laughs) (end)
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