"Krishna Is Within Every Atom"

Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.3.30
October 5, 1972, Los Angeles

Srila A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

Pradyumna: (leads chanting, etc.)

etad rupam bhagavato
hy arupasya cid-atmanah
maya-gunair viracitam
mahadadibhir atmani

"The conception of the virat, universal form of the Lord, as appearing in the material world, is imaginary. It is to enable the less intelligent and neophytes to adjust to the idea of the Lord's having form. But factually the Lord has no material form."

Prabhupada: So this is very important verse. Form and formless. When we speak of formless, we speak that God or even living entity, all of us, we have no material form. Just like we have got this form, but this form is temporary and it will never come again. As soon as this form is finished, I will have to take another form. That form may not be exactly like this. So this is the formula for everyone. But for Krsna, He has no material form. He has got spiritual form. Therefore His form is eternal. We do not remember our past lives, incidences, because the form has changed. But Krsna remembers because His form does not change. The evidence is the Bhagavad-gita. Krsna says... When He was questioned by Arjuna, "How can I believe that You spoke this philosophy of Bhagavad-gita 400,000,000's of years ago to the sun-god?" So Krsna says that "Yes, you were also present there, because you are My constant companion. But you have forgotten; I remember."

So we do not forget things so long the form continues. But when the form changes, we forget. Every night we have got this experience. Our form is lying on the bed, but I am dreaming in a different form. I am flying in the sky and forgetting that my real form is lying on the bed. You forget. We forget that "I am American" or "I am the son of such and such gentleman," or... Everything forgotten. Every night we have got this experience. So as soon as the form is forgotten, then everything is forgotten. With reference to the context.

So this universal form... The impersonalists, they are very much fond of this universal form. It is very favorable. But what is this universal form? This universal form is external expansion of the supreme form, Krsna. You can understand it very easily, that we all living entities, we are a spiritual form, very minute. Materially we cannot understand. But there is a form. We get the information from the sastra, although we cannot see it with our material eyes. Sastra says that every living entity is one ten-thousandth part of the tip of the hair. Sastra says. Everyone has seen the tip of the hair, but he has no idea how to divide it into ten thousand parts. Kesagra-sata-bhagasya satadha kalpitasya ca [Cc. Madya 19.140]. Kesagra. Agra. Agra means tip, kesa means hair. So you just imagine only that you see the top, tip of the hair, and divide it into ten thousand parts. That one part is the form of the living entity. (aside:) Who is extending the...? This is not good.

kesagra-sata-bhagasya satadha kalpitasya ca
jiva-bhagah sa vijneyah sa canantyaya kalpate
[Cc. Madya 19.140]

That is the dimension of the living entity, and they are innumerable, ananta. There is no limit how many there are.

So that small particle, atomic spiritual energy, takes shelter by superior control. When a man dies... I am speaking of man. Every living entity is dying. So the spirit soul is taken to the court of judgment of Yamaraja. And according to his work, he is given a body, next life. How? By superior arrangement. That is stated in the Srimad... Karmana daiva-netrena. Just like your... Ordinarily, suppose you are working somewhere. So your service record is there. Now, at the end of the year, or at the end of some period, the service record is checked, and you are given promotion or increase, increment. So many things are judged. Similarly, all our activities what we are doing now, that is being recorded. There is record. And after death, you are taken to the court of Yamaraja, the days of judgment, and the decision is made by the higher authority what kind of body I or you shall get. This is the way.

Karmana daiva-netrena jantur deha upapattaye [SB 3.31.1]. Jantu means living entities. For giving him a body, it is decided by the higher authorities. You cannot say, "Now give me the body of a king." Now you are American. You cannot say, you cannot dictate, that "Give me again the American body as the son of Rockefeller." No. That will be judged, what you have done. Of course, you have got this opportunity for your pious activities. Because to take birth in rich family or rich nation, that is due to pious activity, past. Janmaisvarya-sruta-sribhih. Janma, birth; aisvarya, riches; sruta, education; and sri, and beauty. These things are obtained according to past activities. Not that everyone becomes educated. No. There is no such chance. We were discussing this morning. There is no chance. Everything depends on some cause. Not that by chance anyone becomes very rich man. No. One has to work for it. Not that by chance one becomes very educated. These things are not chances. So as soon as there is no chance, there is cause, there must be judgment. There must be judgment. Otherwise why one man is born rich and other man is working so hard, but he is lying down on the street?

So there is judgment. So the small particle of the living entity, by the judgment, superior judgment, is transferred to the semina of a particular father. And the living entity is injected in the womb of the female, and both secretion combine, the living entity develops body. This is the science. If you use contraceptive, that means if you contaminate the emulsion, the poor living entity cannot take place. That is contra... You cannot kill the living soul, but you make the circumstances unfavorable for his staying, or... Then he has to be transferred to another womb.

So, so many subtle laws are going on. But the basic principle is that small particle of soul. Then the body develops. That we can see. Not that a pregnancy, on the day of pregnancy, immediately the body develops. No. It develops gradually, gradually. First it is just like a small pea, then gradually develops. As we see, the child born, he also develops. That is also not developed. That is transmigration from one body to another. Just like in a film, in cinema film, there are so many pictures, but when they are moved very swiftly, we see the picture is moving. But there are hundreds of picture. They are combined together. Similarly, the process of our change of body is so swift that we cannot perceive it. We think that it is growing. No. It is not growing. It is different bodies.

So our point is that the small spiritual spark develops this body, as we have developed this body. Similarly, this huge gigantic body of universal form is the development of Krsna's external body. This is also body. Therefore as your bodily functions are going on nicely because that spiritual spark is within, similarly, you see all these material activities, they are going nicely because the Supreme Lord is there. The rascal scientists, they cannot understand it. But any sane man can understand that these bodily functions are going on very nicely so long the spirit soul is there. Similarly, all this material, big manifestation of material world is going on nicely because Krsna is there. What is the difficulty? Because Krsna is there. That is explained in the Bhagavad-gita, vistabhyaham idam jagat, ekamsena sthito jagat. "My dear Arjuna..." Arjuna asked, "Krsna, kindly explain how Your energies are acting." So He explained in the Twelfth Chapter. He explained how Krsna's energies are working. Just like your energy is working on this body, similarly Krsna's energy also working in this universal body. So He summarized how His energies are working. Athava bahunaitena kim jnatena tavarjuna. "Arjuna, now I shall go on explaining how My energies are working, but you can summarize that I, in one of My plenary portion, enter into this material world, and therefore it is going on so nicely."

So as our this material body is not our real form... The real form is within this body, spiritual form. This body is explained as the dress. The dress is made when there is a real form. Just like you have got coat. Because you have got hands, the coat has got a hand. Your shirt: because you have got hand, the shirt has got a hand. But you are not the shirt or the coat. Similarly, because we are spiritual forms, maybe very minute, therefore we grow our hands and legs and heads and so many things. That is materially coated.

So here it is explained that people are very much fond of this universal form. They cannot imagine that a person -- Krsna is a person -- He can work so wonderfully. Because he cannot do it. How he can do? He is very small. They do not understand that a small fire and big fire. Just like spark. Spark is also fire, so spark can also burn, but it can burn very small portion. Suppose a spark falls on your cloth. It will burn immediately. It will make immediately black. But it is very small. Similarly, the difference between Krsna and me is that He is great, God is great, and I am small. Although qualitatively we are one. The same: big fire and small fire. Similarly, we have got also the same qualities, approximately, but very small quantity. We can play very wonderful by discovering some machine, say, the machine, what is called, which goes to the moon planet? Capsule. Or we float something in the sky, sputnik. But that is imitation of God. God is floating gigantic planets like sun, moon, in the space. You cannot do that. You can float a small sputnik.

So you have got the creative power, God has got the creative power. But God's creative power cannot be compared with your creative power. You have got the creative power, but not exactly like God. This is the conclusion. You cannot become God. You can imitate or you can do something very little. Just like little children, they play with little toys. Similarly, you can play with little toys and advertise yourself great scientist. That's all. But you are nothing. You are nothing. This is to be realized. This is called bhakti-yoga. The rascals are puffed up, "I am God." Foolishly. How you can be God? You may have some qualities, very minute quality of God, but you cannot claim that you are God. The same example. The small spark of fire is also fire. Nobody... There is no doubt. A small particle of gold is gold, but it cannot be compared with the gold mine. That is not possible.

So this gigantic... People, they are very much appreciative of the gigantic universal form. They do not like... "Oh! Krsna. Why Krsna I shall worship? We worship gigantic form." But this gigantic form is a product of Krsna's energy. They do not know that. Here it is said, maya-gunair viracitam. By Krsna's energy it is created. Maya-gunair viracitam mahadadibhir atmani. The material energy. The material energy also from Krsna's body, as much as spiritual energy. Whatever we see, they are different energies of Krsna. Just like in the Visnu Purana it is said,

eka-desa-sthitasyagner
jyotsna vistarini yatha
parasya brahmanah saktis
tathedam akhilam jagat

Akhilam jagat. The vast universal form which you are seeing, it is nothing but parasya brahmanah saktih: it is the manifestation of the energy of the Supreme Person. How? The example is given, eka-desa-sthitasyagneh. Just like fire. Take the example of the sun, the biggest fire within this universe. It is situated in a place. The sun is not distributed. The sunshine is distributed. The sunshine may be covering the whole universe, but that is not very important. The sun globe is important. It is localized. Similarly, as the sun is distributing heat and light, remaining itself in one place, similarly Krsna is playing with gopis in Goloka Vrndavana, and His shine is creating the whole universe. Not that Krsna is playing there, He is enjoying, therefore He is absent. No. Goloka eva nivasaty akhilatma-bhutah [Bs. 5.37]. That is Krsna. Krsna is Goloka Vrndavana, but He is present everywhere. That is Krsna. I am sitting here, you are sitting here. You are not in your apartment. That is my position. But Krsna's position is that although He is always in Goloka Vrndavana, He is present everywhere.

How? Andantara-stha-paramanu-cayantara-stham. He is within every universe; not only within every universe, He is within every atom. That is Krsna. That is Krsna. Don't think that Krsna, because He is playing as a cowherd boy or He is playing as a friend of the gopis, therefore He is ordinary man. The rascals imitate Krsna. They say, "Oh, Krsna has enjoyed the gopis? Oh, let me gather some young girls and enjoy." But you become universally represented everywhere. Then you enjoy. Rascal. He cannot do that. (laughs) He can simply imitate how to be in the midst of young girls and enjoy. That is the difference.

Thank you very much. (end)

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.3.30 -- Los Angeles, October 5, 1972

"God Is Everywhere"

Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.3.29
October 4, 1972, Los Angeles

Srila A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

Pradyumna: (leads chanting, etc.)

janma guhyam bhagavato
ya etat prayato narah
sayam pratar grnan bhaktya
duhkha-gramad vimucyate

Translation: "Whoever carefully recites the mysterious appearances of the Lord with devotion in the morning and in the evening gets relief from all miseries of life."

Prabhupada: This is called phala-sruti,(?) result. This chapter was describing different incarnations of God, and it is concluded that krsnas tu bhagavan svayam. There were many incarnations, and incarnations are coming incessantly just like there are waves in the ocean or in the river. You cannot sit down and count how many waves are flowing. As it is not possible, similarly, you cannot also count how many incarnations are there, how they are coming out. But the most important of them are described. And the conclusion is made that Krsna is the origin, as it is confirmed in the Bhagavad-gita. Aham sarvasya prabhavah. "I am the origin of everything, even the incarnations." Aham sarvasya prabhavo mattah sarvam pravartate [Bg. 10.8]. Everyone, all incarnations, all demigods, all living entities, all energies. The Vedanta-sutra also confirms, janmady asya yatah [SB 1.1.1]. The Absolute Truth is that which is the original source of everything.

So sometimes we mistake that Krsna is also incarnation. No. He is not incarnation. He is the source of incarnation. Therefore in the last verse it has been clearly, ete camsa-kalah pumsah krsnas tu bhagavan svayam [SB 1.3.28]. Krsnas tu bhagavan svayam. They are from Krsna, not Krsna is from them. Sometimes they argue that Krsna is the incarnation of Visnu, but that is not the fact. Visnu is incarnation of Krsna. Now, there is no use arguing, because there is no difference between incarnation and the source of incarnation. The example is given: just like diparcir eva hi dasantaram abhyupetya dipayate [Bs. 5.46]. Just like you have got one thousand candles here. So first you light on one candle, then the second, the third, the fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh -- you go on increasing. So each candle is equal to another candle. So far candlepower light is concerned, there is no difference. The first candle and the second candle, although second candle is lit up from the first candle, but the power of light is the same, either in the first candle or in the second candle. Similarly, do not think that because Krsna is the original candle and the next candle is Balarama, or Rama, that does not mean Balarama, or Rama, is less powerful than Krsna. They are equally powerful. Diparcir eva hi dasantaram abhyupetya dipayate vivrta-hetu-samana-dharma [Bs. 5.46]. There is no difference.

So don't consider that incarnation means less important. No. But because Krsna is the original source, therefore Bhagavata is pointing out that "These incarnation, all these incarnation, they are expansion of the original Personality of Godhead, Krsna, or expansion of the expansion," kalah. Amsa and kala. Amsa means direct expansion, and kala means expansion of the expansion. Just like Krsna's direct expansion is Balarama. Then, from Balarama, there is further expansion: Sankarsana, Aniruddha, Pradyumna, like that. Then Maha-Visnu, another expansion. Then from Maha-Visnu to Garbhodakasayi Visnu. Then Garbhodakasayi Visnu to Ksirodakasayi Visnu. From Ksirodakasayi Visnu, Paramatma, Isvara. Isvarah sarva-bhutanam hrd-dese 'rjuna tisthati [Bg. 18.61]. The all-pervading. So all of them are expansion and equally powerful. But still, for understanding, for pure knowledge, we should under stand that Krsna is the origin. Aham sarvasya prabhavah. This is the...

So anyone who will recite these incarnations of God, Krsna, regularly, in the morning and evening, that is the phala-sruti...(?) Janma guhyam bhagavatah. Bhagavatah. He is the original source of everything, and He is taking birth. Therefore it is called guhyam. It is very mysterious. Just like Kunti, when offered prayer to Krsna, she said that "You are inside and You are outside. You are all-pervading. You are present everywhere. Still, people cannot see You." This is the mystery. God is everywhere, but we cannot see. How it is? That is explained by Kunti. Just like somebody's father is playing on the stage dressed in a different way like a king or something. But the son cannot recognize him, although the father is playing just before him. The father is playing in his front, but he cannot understand. He's seeing some king is playing. Similarly, God is everywhere. God is everywhere. Simply you require to purify your eyes to see God. Otherwise God is everywhere. It is not that God has to be searched out some long, long... He's in... Of course, His real abode is long, long distant, but still, He is within your heart. Isvarah sarva-bhutanam hrd-dese 'rjuna tisthati [Bg. 18.61].

So to purify the eyes we require... That is meditation, how to search out. He is within my heart. Anywhere you sit down, you can see God, provided you have got the eyes to see. Premanjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena santah sadaiva hrdayesu vilokayanti [Bs. 5.38]. Those who are saintly persons, they are twenty-four hours seeing God. They have nothing, no other business than to see God. But they have got eyes to see. That is the difference. Ordinary persons, they have no eyes. Therefore they cannot see God. But those who have developed consciousness, Krsna consciousness, purified eyes, they can see always, twenty-four hours. They don't see anything else except God. Because God is everything. Whatever we see, if we have two eyes to see, then we can see God in every second, every moment. How? Oh, that you can practice.

In the Bhagavad-gita it is said raso 'ham apsu kaunteya: "I am the taste of water." Now, you are drinking water hundreds times. So as soon as you taste water, how nice it is, you can immediately see God, Krsna, "Oh, here is Krsna. Here is Krsna." So how do you say that "Can you show me Krsna?" You can see. Here is the process. You adopt it. You taste water, and when you enjoy the taste, that taste is Krsna. Krsna says, "I am this taste." Then where is the difficulty to see Krsna? There is no difficulty. The people say, "Can you show me God?" God is everywhere, in every moment, in every step. You do not like to see Him. That is the difficulty. Raso 'ham apsu kaunteya prabhasmi sasi-suryayoh. "I am the sunshine and moonshine." Who has not seen sunshine? Everyone has seen. From the very morning, we see sunshine, and at night also, when there is darkness, there is no sun, we see moonshine. So sunshine, moonshine -- Krsna says, prabhasmi sasi-suryayoh. So as soon as I see the sunshine and moonshine, I see God. What is the difficulty? Sabdah khe. When there is some sound, rumbling sound in the sky, khe... Khe means sky. Krsna says, "I am the sound." So as soon as you hear even the sound of airplane, that is also God. Punyo gandhah prthivyam ca. When you smell a nice flower, that smell is Krsna. So you can remember immediately Krsna.

So to remember Krsna, there are so many opportunities. But we don't want to remember Krsna. That is the difficulty. Therefore it is said that janma guhyam bhagavatah. Janma, God's appearance. God is appearing every moment everywhere. Here is just in front, Radha-Krsna. Personally He is present. But others will see a stone, because he has not purified his eyes. And Caitanya Mahaprabhu, as soon as He sees, He fells down immediately, unconscious: "Oh, here is my Lord." So you have to purify to see God. God is present everywhere. You haven't to ask anybody, "Can you show me God? Have you seen God?" These questions sometimes made. And where is the difficulty to see God? You don't like to see God. That is the difficulty. Otherwise there is no difficulty.

So janma guhyam bhagavatah. And Bhagavad-gita also Bhagavan says that janma karma me divyam yo janati tattvatah. One has to learn. One has to learn the science, how to see God. That is bhakti-yoga. One who is not in bhakti-yoga, he cannot see God, even God is present before him. Naham prakasah sarvasya yogamaya-samavrtah [Bg. 7.25]. "I am not exposed to everyone. The yoga-maya curtain is there." So first of all, before asking anybody, "Can you show me God?" you must be qualified to see God. That is required. That qualification is taught in Krsna consciousness movement, how to see God, how to understand God. Otherwise it is mysterious. Dharmasya tattvam nihitam guhayam mahajano yena gatah sa panthah.

So seeing God is very mysterious, but it is very easy also, very easy, provided we know the method how to see God. So that is bhakti-yoga. And therefore Krsna recommends in the Bhagavad-gita, bhaktya mam abhijanati yavan yas casmi tattvatah: [Bg. 18.55] "Only through devotional service one can understand Me as I am." Otherwise he will commit mistake. There are different processes undoubtedly: jnana, yoga, karma, bhakti. But if you want to see God, then you have to accept this bhakti-yoga, no other yoga. Neither jnana-yoga, nor karma-yoga, nor hatha-yoga. You cannot see. You can see. Kleso 'dhikataras tesam avyaktasakta-cetasam [Bg. 12.5]. Those who are impersonalists... All of them are impersonalists. For them, it is very difficult, troublesome, to see God. They may try their process, but it will take long, long time to see God. But if one takes to bhakti-yoga, immediately... Bhaktya mam abhijanati yavan yas casmi tattvatah [Bg. 18.55].

So one may argue that "These bhaktas are not always very learned scholars. Mostly, they are mediocre. And there are so many big, big scholars. They cannot see God easily and only the bhaktas can do?" Yes. That is the process. Krsna says, bhaktya mam abhijanati yavan yas casmi tattvatah. In bhakti, one can immediately... Because real process is to surrender to God. That is the real process. But these jnanis, yogis, and karmis, they are not prepared to surrender to God. The karmis will say, "Let us act nicely," I mean to say, "virtuously. We are karmis. So God must give us the result." This is called karma-mimamsa. They say that... Just like the so-called scientists say that "God has created this universe. The laws are there. So we have to study the laws. What we shall do with the God?" Is it not? "God has created these... The physical laws are there. So let us study these physical laws. What is the use of studying God?" That is their view. The karma-mimamsa also, that, they say that "After all, if we act virtuously, then we shall get good result. So what is the use of worshiping God? Let us work virtuously." This is their view. Karmi. And jnani. Jnani also, they say. Jnani, the scientists, they are jnani, that "What is the use of worshiping God? Let us study the laws of God." So jnani, karmi... And yogi, they are also of the same view.

So karmi, jnani, yogi, and the last is bhakta. So bhakta can see God very quickly because Krsna recommends, bhaktya mam abhijanati yavan yas casmi tattvatah [Bg. 18.55]. Tattvatah, in truth, one can understand what is God by following the process of bhakti-yoga. And so far the jnanis, yogis are concerned, they will come to that point of bhakti-yoga after many, many births. That is also stated in the Bhagavad-gita: bahunam janmanam ante [Bg. 7.19]. At the end of millions of births, jnani, jnanavan, those who are searching through knowledge... So what is the value of our knowledge? Teeny knowledge. Imperfect senses. We are gathering imperfect knowledge. But we don't neglect knowledge. We give credit to the philosophers, scientists, because... But we advise them that "Your research work should be for God, not for any temporary physical or chemical compound. No."
It is advised by Narada Muni, kavibhir nirupitah.

idam hi pumsas tapasah srutasya va
svistasya suktasya ca buddhi-dattayoh
avicyuto 'rthah kavibhir nirupito
yad-uttamasloka-gunanuvarnanam
[SB 1.5.22]

If you are a jnani, a philosopher, speculating what is the truth, so the truth is, ultimate truth is Krsna. So if from the very beginning you try to search out by your philosophical knowledge or if you try to prove the supremacy of Krsna by your philosophical speculation, that is perfection. That is your perfection. Otherwise it is simply laboring, waste of time. Srama eva hi kevalam. If you cannot go forward up to Krsna by your philosophical and scientific research, then all the labor you have taken, that is almost simply waste of time. The limit of knowledge, the limit of scientific research, will be confirmed when you have surrendered to God.

bahunam janmanam ante
jnanavan mam prapadyate
vasudevah sarvam iti
sa mahatma sudurlabhah
[Bg. 7.19]

That mahatma who knows Krsna is the supreme cause... Govindam adi-purusam tam aham bhajami. So our conclusion is that, that He is the Supreme, Govinda. So we bow down. Yes. Govindam adi-purusam tam aham bhajami **. We give all respects to others, but so far our surrendering process is concerned, that is to Krsna. Govindam adi-purusam tam aham bhajami **. Under the direction of Lord Brahma.

So therefore here it is said that janma guhyam bhagavato ya etat prayato narah. Just like we are here, in this Krsna consciousness movement. We don't claim that we have become perfect. That is not our... We cannot become perfect. Or at least, we have not become perfect. But prayatah, we are trying to be perfect. Prayatah. Prayatah means endeavoring, endeavoring for understanding God. So therefore here it is said, janma guhyam bhagavato ya etat prayato narah. Any person who endeavors for understanding Krsna through the relative sastras and devotional service, then what is the result? When? Sayam pratah. Two times at least, in the evening and in the morning. So if we sleep in the morning, snoring, then how we can understand? It is recommended here, sayam pratah. Tri-sandhya. Tri-sandhya means three times. We initiate... We... They promise that three times they will chant gayatri-mantra, but I do not know what they are doing.

So these are the recommendation in the sastra. If we don't follow, then we must fall down. There is no doubt about it. But if we follow the regulative principles, as they are enjoined in the sastra... Sadhu-guru-sastra. Sastra will say the same thing as guru advises. Sadhu-guru. A saintly person also will say the same thing. Just like here, Suta Gosvami, he is saintly person. He is advising, sayam pratah, "Morning and evening you should try to understand the science of God." Bhagavad-gita, Srimad-Bhagavatam, topics, chanting. So these are the process. Sayam pratar grnan bhaktya.

Now, this is the most important work, bhaktya. Because without bhakti... The real process is bhakti. Bhaktya mam abhijanati [Bg. 18.55], Bhagavad-gita says. Here also, it is said that "Don't read just like a academic scholar." No. That will not benefit you. It will benefit you, but it will take long, long time. Because without bhakti, God cannot be captured. Without bhakti, God cannot be captured. Everywhere you will find that. Krsna says in the Bhagavad-gita, yo me bhaktya prayacchati. Patram puspam phalam toyam yo me bhaktya prayacchati. Patram, a little flower, little leaf. Suppose I am very poor man. I cannot arrange for puri and rasagulla for Krsna. Then what my offering will be? No, there is no opportunity for offering Krsna? No. Krsna says, "You can offer Me a little flower, a little leaf, a little water." That's all. Who cannot secure it. Any part of the world, anywhere a person can offer to Krsna, "Sir, I have no means. I have secured these things." Now, Krsna says, "Yes, that's all right." Patram puspam phalam toyam yo me bhaktya prayacchati. "This bhakta, one who offers Me in devotion and love." That is the main ingredient. And a nondevotee cannot offer anything Krsna. Krsna is not poor. Krsna has not come here, He is very hungry, He has come here to eat your puri and rasagulla. No. (laughter) (laughs) Don't think like that. But Krsna is so kind that He has come before you to accept whatever you can offer with devotion. That is the point. Yo me bhaktya prayacchati, tad aham asnami. "I eat." Krsna says. Krsna is a liar? He's God, He says that "I eat." You cannot say that Krsna does not eat. Krsna says "I eat." Who are you to say that Krsna does not eat? Sometimes this atheist class, the rascal class, they say that "You are offering food. Why? Krsna is not eating. It is there." No. Krsna eats. But His eating is not like your eating. That is the difference. Purnam, purnasya purnam adaya purnam evavasis... He will eat everything and it will keep everything. If I give, I am given a plate, I eat everything, then remains nothing. But when Krsna eats, He eats everything and remains everything. Therefore it is prasadam. Therefore it is prasadam.

So we do not know how to know Krsna's activities. Therefore Bhagavad-gita says, janma karma me divyam. These are all transcendental subject. Here also, it is said, janma guhyam bhagavatah. Very confidential. These mysteries, confidence, are open to the confidential devotees. Bhaktya mam abhijanati [Bg. 18.55]. One who is devotee, He understands everything. Others cannot understand. Others, they will think, "Oh, they are worshiping an idol, and unnecessarily spending money for preparing prasadam." They will see like that. But a devotee knows how Krsna is eating, how Krsna's prasadam is being prepared. Everything He knows because He is bhakta.

Therefore one should try to become a devotee. Then everything will be disclosed to him. Svayam eva sphuraty adah. Sevonmukhe hi jihvadau svayam eva sphuraty adah. God will be revealed, and he will see everywhere God. Without any cessation twenty-four hours, he will see God. So as it is prescribed in the authorized sastras and directed by spiritual master, if you follow the principles, it is not very difficult to see God, to understand God. It is very easy.

Thank you very much. (end)

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.3.29 -- Los Angeles, October 4, 1972

"Sankirtan Movement (NOT ISKCON) Is Incarnation Of Krsna"

"The editors of this particular lecture gave it a misleading title. Prabhupada never actually said ISKCON is an incarnation of Krishna. The Sankirtan Movement of Lord Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is an incarnation of Lord Krishna. As much as ISKCON participates in and follows the orders of the founder acharya it may be admitted to be an amsa or vibhinamsa of the Lords incarnation. However as much as ISKCON deviates from the orders of its acharya it cannot be called even a partial representation of the Supreme Lord. At best it is a shadow only, Namabhasa."
- Joshua Hawley

Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.3.28
October 3, 1972, Los Angeles

Srila A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

Pradyumna: (leads chanting, etc.)

ete camsa-kalah pumsah
krsnas tu bhagavan svayam
indrari-vyakulam lokam
mrdayanti yuge yuge
[SB 1.3.28]

Translation: "All of the above-mentioned incarnations are either plenary portions or portions of the plenary portions of the Lord, but Lord Sri Krsna is the original Personality of Godhead. All of them appear on planets whenever there is a disturbance created by the atheists. The Lord incarnates to protect the theists."

Prabhupada: This is confirmed in Bhagavad-gita:

yada yada hi dharmasya
glanir bhavati bharata
abhyutthanam adharmasya
tadatmanam srjamy aham
[Bg. 4.7]

paritranaya sadhunam
vinasaya ca duskrtam
dharma-samsthapanarthaya
sambhavami yuge yuge
[Bg. 4.8]

So everything is property of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. So this material world is also the property of Krsna. Because here the people do not care for Krsna, that does not mean that it is not the property of Krsna. Just like in the prison, within the prison walls, the prisoners, they say, "We don't care for the government." They say like that. But it does not mean that the prison house does not belong to the government. It is government property. But these rascals, they are being forced to live in the prison house, and still they say, "We don't care for the government." This is rascaldom. You are under my control, and as soon as you are in wrong, I am kicking you on your face, still, if you say, "I don't care for you..." You can say that. But there is force that you say, "Don't care," but I force you. You have to care.

This is material world. They are saying "Don't... There is no God. We don't care for God. We are, everyone, God." But maya, the police force, is there, kicking on the face. And they are subjected to so many tribulations, miserable conditions of life. Especially birth, death, old age and disease. Now you don't care for God. So why don't you stop your death? You stop your death. Krsna says in the Bhagavad-gita, mrtyuh sarva-haras ca aham, "To the rascals and the demons, I am death. I take away everything." Sarva-harah. Sarva-harah means these rascals are trying to possess so many things: cars, motorcars, skyscraper building, bank balance, big family, big friends, big empire, and so many things. But when death comes, he cannot protect himself, what to speak of protecting other things. You see? So he's under full control, the demons. And every moment, he's under control. Suppose I have got money. I can eat so much. But as soon as you eat little more, immediately you are under control; you cannot eat for three days. Indigestion, immediately. And still, the rascal says that "I am not controlled." If there is little pain here, he immediately becomes: "Where is doctor, where is doctor, where is doctor?" And still he says, "I'm not controlled," and "I am God."

He does not know what is the meaning of God. God is never controlled by anyone. That is God. That is the definition of God. If you are God, then why you are being controlled? Because they're rascals, demons, foolishly speaking something nonsense. But we should know that God means controller. He's not controlled. And when God was present on this planet, He showed what kind of God He is. Paritranaya sadhunam vinasaya ca duskrtam [Bg. 4.8]. Anyone, any demon who tried to imitate God, they were all killed, all killed. The Kamsa, his only policy was to kill Krsna. "As soon as Krsna comes, kill Him." So many plans he made. He... Krsna happened to be his sister's son. So he imprisoned the sister and brother-in-law so that "He may beget children, but in my front... I must remain... As soon as children, child is born, I shall kill."

So this is the policy of the demons. Therefore, indrari-vyakulam lokam. When people become, the inhabitants of all different planets, they become very much perturbed on account of these demonic... In this Kali-yuga especially, the demons are so large in number that people are actually in harassment. Every year, they are presenting taxation bill. And wherefrom the taxation will come? The taxation will come from your pocket and my pocket. They will charge income tax, and the storekeepers will increase the value of commodity. So you have to pay. So you are, we are complaining, "Oh, the things are going high price." But why? Because the demons are levying taxes. The... It is not the scarcity of goods. There is sufficient commodity, sufficient. But they have made a economic plan. Just like in your country, the government said that "You don't produce more." Why? If one can produce... Krsna has given food. You have to simply little work and produce your food. But in order to keep the balance of price, they say, "Don't produce." Why not produce? So many people are, they are... If actually we produce foodstuff in the ordinary way, then we can produce foodstuff so much that ten times of the whole population of the world can be fed. Ten times. There is no question of scarcity or poverty. There is no question. We create. These demons, they create.

You have no experience. I have got experience. Or some of the Indians who are present... In 1942, the government created artificial famine, artificial famine. The government began to purchase. The poli... That time, the war was going on. So Mr. Churchill's policy was that "Keep the people in scarcity, and they will, they'll voluntarily come and become soldiers." That was the policy. "You have no money. So..., and the another venue is opened. Yes, you become a soldier. You get so much money." People, out of poverty, would go there. That was the policy. So this policy was executed that government began to purchase rice and, I mean to say, commodities which are daily necessities. And... Any price, any price they can offer. Because the currency in their hand. They can print the so-called papers, hundred dollars, and pay you. And you becomes satisfied: "Oh, I have got hundred dollars." But it is a piece of paper. The cheating is from the government. Why the people will not learn how to cheat?

So this is going on. This is called demonic. Demon means for their own sense satisfaction, they are prepared to do anything wrong. Just like this Kamsa. Kamsa, the elder brother of Krsna's mother, and as soon as he heard an omen from the sky that "You rascal Kamsa, you are taking your brother and sis..., brother-in-law and sister in your chariot to their home in their marriage ceremony, but you rascal do not know this sister's son will kill you." "Oh, my sister's son will kill me?" Immediately caught up sister: "Finish my sister." Vasudeva saw. "What nonsense you are doing? You are such a big king. And your sister, younger sister, and she is married in this auspicious moment. Why you are killing?" "No, she is the cause of my death." Then, "Your sister is not the cause of your death. Her son. That's all right. But I promise, all the sons will be delivered to you." Because it is the husband's duty to give protection. So someway or other, he saved the situation.

So this is the demon. He did not consider that "Here is my poor, younger sister. She's just now married. In jubilation she's going at her husband's home. How auspicious ceremony." And he was personally driving the chariot. But as soon as he heard that "Oh, there is danger from my sister," he did not care anything, no relationship, no ceremony, no auspicity, nothing. This is demon. Demon means for his self-interest, he can do anything nons..., nonsense. That is demon. And demigod means he'll consider thrice before doing anything. Just like Arjuna. Arjuna was insulted in so many ways by the other party, his cousin-brothers. His kingdom was taken. They were sent to forest for thirteen years. His wife was insulted. So many things. But still, he was considering, "Whether I shall kill my kinsmen? The other side, they're all my brothers, nephews, brother-in-law. Whether I shall fight and kill them? Krsna, I don't wish to kill them. Let them enjoy." This is demigod, In spite of the other party, aggressor in so many ways, he was thinking. And here you see Kamsa, simply for the news that in future his sister's son will kill him, immediately he was prepared to kill his sister. And in the marriage ceremony. This is the distinction between demigod and demon. Just try to understand. A demon has no consideration.

So in this age, Kali-yuga especially, demoniac, everything, demons, godless. Demon means godless. Indrari. Demons means Indra, or indrasya ari. Ari means enemy. Indra is demigod. And his enemy, that is demon. Indrari. Just like you are, when you go to preach Krsna consciousness, you have got so many enemies. They do not act directly, but they are very much envious: "What these nonsense are chanting Hare Krsna?" You see? They want to disturb. Just like we have to close this door because the demons will disturb. You see? So demons means enemy of the demigods, enemy of the devotees. Those who are God conscious, those who are abiding by the orders of God, they're demigods. God. Demigods means they're also God, but subordinate to God. They don't say, "I am God. I am completely." No, a Vaisnava will never say so. He knows that "I am eternal servant of God." Therefore demigod. Otherwise, their qualification is godly.

So indrari-vyakulam... Indra. Indra is demigod. He's the king of the demigods. So indrari-vyakulam. When people become very much disturbed by this demonic government and demons... So dharmasya glanih. Dharmasya glanih means discrepancies in the matter of executing religious principles. In Kamsa's time... Just like in Russia, you cannot chant Hare Krsna mantra. What to speak of chanting in the street, you cannot chant even in private. That is their law. So that law is coming gradually everywhere, godless. In China, I've heard, anyone teaching about God, next life, he'll be shot. Is it not? Somebody said me. Anyone teaching "Next life and God," he'll be shot down. So your country is still very nice because you are not shooting Krsna conscious people, but there is possibility. Demons are increasing. Demons are increasing. But don't be afraid. Krsna is there. Just like Krsna's mother and father were so much, I mean to say, harassed by Kamsa. But at the end, Kamsa was killed by Krsna.

So we may be harassed for the time being, but Krsna will save. This is saranagati. Avasya rakhibe krsna visvasa palana. The saranagati means, surrender means that "Krsna will save me. I, I'll not do anything against the devotional service. Even there is torture..." Just like Prahlada Maharaja. He was tortured by his father. He had... Krsna's mother was tortured by his brother. Not outsider. So the demons are so rascal, they don't care for son, sister, mother. No. "As soon as it is against my personal sense gratification, I must finish this." But be sure that Krsna will save. We have got so many instances. As Prahlada Maharaja was saved by Hiranyaka..., by Narasimhadeva from the hands of his father, Hiranyakasipu; Devaki was saved, Vasudeva was saved from the hands of Kamsa; so you will be also saved. Because there is promise in the Bhagavad-gita: kaunteya pratijanihi na me bhaktah pranasyati. Krsna says, "Make it a declaration throughout the whole world that anyone who is My devotee, he'll never be annihilated. He'll be protected. I'll give him protection." Samo 'ham sarva-bhutesu. Samo 'ham sarva-bhutesu na me dvesyo 'sti na priyah. Krsna says in the Bhagavad-gita that "I am equal to everyone. Nobody is My enemy, nobody is My friend." Ye tu bhajanti mam pritya. "But those who are devotees, engaged twenty-four hours, I give them special protection. I give them special protection." So the demons will be there, and they will always give trouble to the demigods, or the devotees, but you don't stop your function, devotional service. Don't be afraid of the demons. Indrari-vyakulam lokam mrdayanti. This mrdayanti means "giving protection" Yes. Give protection.

So this sankirtana movement, Hare Krsna movement, is also incarnation of Krsna. Nama-rupe avatara. Krsna can become incarnation in sound form also. Not even a physical form. Physical form also there; everything is there. But especially this age, Krsna is incarnated in His name. The name of Krsna is not different from Krsna. So nama-rupe krsna-avatara. So Krsna is already there. The whole world is now demonic, anti govern..., anti-God, anti-matter or anti-God now. So the incarnation has already come. Those who will take shelter of this incarnation of Krsna's name, they will be never annihilated. Take it for granted. Yes. So incarnation. Krsna's name and Krsna, no difference. That is omnipotency. Omnipotency. Omnipotency means everything is Krsna's energy. So the same potency in the energy and the energetic. This is omnipotency. God is omnipotent; He can give you protection when you take shelter of His name. Because His name is nondifferent from Him. Abhinnatvan nama-naminoh. Nama-krsna. Nama cintamanih krsnah, purnah suddho nitya-mukto 'bhinnatvan nama-naminoh. Don't think this Krsna's name is less efficient than Krsna. No. Purna. As Krsna is perfect, similarly, this name is also perfect. Purnah suddhah. As Krsna is pure, without any material contamination, apapa-viddham, no, nothing sin, sinful can affect him... You have read it in the Isopanisad. Just like sunshine. Infection cannot infect sunshine. Some disease can infect you, me, because we are less potential. But it cannot infect the sum. Rather, the sunshine will sterilize the infection. So anything infectious, anything sinful, cannot infect Krsna. Rather sinful activities in touch with Krsna will become purified. This is the process.

There are many instances. Just like Prahlada Maharaja, you can see. Prahlada Maharaja is standing, and his father is being killed before him. This is sinful. Can you tolerate? Suppose if somebody comes to kill me, and you will see and laugh? You'll do, will you do that? Why? That is sinful. So here Prahlada Maharaja is seeing. It is not protesting. Prahlada Maharaja is not protesting, "Why you are killing my father?" No. He's seeing. So why Prahlada Maharaja is worshiped? Why he has become a mahajana, authority? You can say, "Oh, he's a most sinful. He has seen in his presence, his father is being killed, and he did not protest." You can say so. But because it is in connection with Krsna, Prahlada Maharaja is the most exalted devotee. He's not sinful. The gopis. The gopis, they were wives, householder's wife, sister, daughter. So they went at dead of night to dance with Krsna. This is sinful according to Vedic injunction. No young girl can go to any young boy without being married. That is Vedic injunction. So practically it was sinful. And... But because it was with Krsna, in connection with Krsna, they went to dance with Krsna, the gopis are worshiped more than any devotee in the world. Caitanya Mahaprabhu... Gopis, exalted. Ramya kacid upasana vraja-vadhu-vargena ya kalpita. So actually, they did sinful acts, action, by leaving their father, brother or husband and went to Krsna at dead of night. They were all young girls. That is, according to Vedic injunction that is sinful. But they are worshiped.

Caitanya Mahaprabhu, such a big sannyasi, who never allowed any woman to come near to offer respect... He was so strict. They would offer respect from distance. He says, ramya kacid upasana. He says that the worship, the method of worship conceived by the gopis, that is, there is no comparison. Ramya kacid upasana vraja-vadhu-vargena ya kalpita. Now, He was so much strict about women. Why He is praising the external sinful activities of the gopis? Why? Because it is in connection with Krsna. There are many instances. Just like Bali Maharaja. Bali Maharaja gave up the connection with his spiritual master. Why? His spiritual master said, "You don't give to Krsna." He was thinking that "If this rascal, everything gives to Krsna, then how I shall live? I am living at his maintenance." Just like you sometimes give me maintenance, I live. So you stop the maintenance, I shall die. So he thought like that, that "He's my disciple, and he's going to..., everything to Krsna. Then I'll not get my maintenance. Then I shall die." He stopped him: "Don't give to Krsna." But Bali Maharaja said, "Oh, you are stopping me to give to Krsna? I give up your relation. I don't want." He became a mahajana. Prahlada Maharaja became a mahajana. Gopis became the most worshipable.

So Krsna is so powerful that even in the ordinary ways it looks sinful, but if it is actually done for Krsna's sake... The same thing, Arjuna. He was thinking that "Killing of my family members, it is sinful." He argued with Krsna. Therefore this Bhagavad-gita is there. He was simply arguing that "I'll not fight. I'll not kill my grandfather, my teacher, my brother, my nephews, my brother-in-laws. No, no, I am not going to... It is sinful." But at the end he did it, because he understood, "Oh, it is for Krsna. All right. I shall all, take all the risk. That's all right." So as Krsna..., the devotee takes all the risk of life, similarly, Krsna gives all the protection to the devotee. Don't be afraid.

So indrari-vyakulam lokam mrdayanti yuge yuge. He's always giving protection to the devotees. Don't be afraid. And another thing is that ete ca amsa-kalah pumsah. Pumsah means the person, the Supreme Person. So the Mayavadi rascals' theory is that the Absolute Truth is impersonal, and when He comes to be present before us as person, He accepts a material body. This is their theory, maya, Mayavada, that Krsna's body is also bone and skin. That is their theory. They accept, "Yes, Krsna is God, but He has accepted a body of flesh and bone." This is Mayavada theory. But the sastra does not say. Krsna Himself says, avajananti mam mudha manusim tanum asritam: [Bg. 9.11] "These rascals, they also consider Me like one ordinary human being because I have come here just like human being." He, He has said, mudho nabhijanati: "Deride at Me." This is their... To consider Krsna's body as made of flesh and bone, that means minimizing the value of Krsna. Dr. Radhakrishnan has done it. No. Krsna, the Absolute is, Absolute Truth is always person. Pumsah, here it is said. Ete camsa-kalah pumsah [SB 1.3.28]. The incarnation... When some incarnation comes, He's expansion of the person, not that He accepts this material body. Ete ca amsa-kalah pumsah. The, all the descriptions of the incarnations have been given before this verse. So therefore, it is concluding that "All these incarnations, they are expansion of the spiritual body of the Supreme Personality of Godhead." Not that the Absolute Truth is imperson, and He, He's accepting a form with material body. No. That is not. That is not. Just like here, Deity. He is also expansion, arca-vigraha. Arca-avatara. Don't think that it is made of stone or metal. It is expansion of Krsna. You want to worship. Krsna has expanded Himself to come here to accept your service. Don't think it is made of stone. So ete camsa-kalah pumsah krsnas tu bhagavan svayam [SB 1.3.28].

So bhagavan svayam, the Absolute Truth is Bhagavan. Bhagavan means person, with six opulences. And why He comes? Indrari-vyakulam lokam mrdayanti yuge yuge. People are harassed by these demons. Therefore, He comes to give protection. Paritranaya sadhunam. He comes to give protection to the sadhu. They are very much anxious to be... When they are in danger, they pray for Krsna. So just to satisfy them, Krsna comes. Not even for killing the demons. But when He comes, He also executes this service also, to kill all these demons. Otherwise, for killing demons, He does not require to come. He, He has got many agents. So many demons can be killed within a second. For this purpose, killing purpose, Krsna does not come. He comes especially for the devotee. Just like Prahlada Maharaja. For give darsana personally to Prahlada Maharaja -- he has suffered in the hands of his father -- He appeared. Otherwise, to kill Hiranyakasipu, oh, it is not very big business. Indrari-vyakulam lokam mrdayanti. When a devotee is very much harassed, so He comes in, as incarnation. So you stick to remain a pure devotee, and Krsna will give you all protection.

Thank you very much. (end)

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.3.28 -- Los Angeles, October 3, 1972

"The Perfect Philosophy"

Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.3.27
October 2, 1972, Los Angeles

Srila A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

Pradyumna: (leads chanting, etc.)

rsayo manavo deva
manu-putra mahaujasah
kalah sarve harer eva
saprajapatayah smrtah

Translation: "All the rsis, Manus, demigods and descendants of Manu, who are especially powerful, are plenary portions or portions of the plenary portions of the Lord. This also includes the Prajapatis."

Prabhupada: So prajapati, the beginning there was only Lord Brahma. The whole planetary system was to be populated. Therefore first of all Brahma, and then the seven rsis, then the Kumaras, then Rudras. In this way... Manus. Then Manu's son, his son, his son. In this way the... (aside:) What is that sound? The whole universe is populated. It is not the rascal Darwin's theory that "There was no human being. It came out of a stone, the life." The first is the most intelligent person, Lord Brahma.

So they are called prajapati. Praja means generation. Pati means master, husband. So all these prajapatis, as we learn from Bhagavad-gita... Manur iksvakave 'bravit. Vivasvan manave praha. Vivasvan, sun-god, he spoke to his son Manu, Vaivasvata Manu. Imam vivasvate yogam proktavan aham avyayam [Bg. 4.1]. Krsna said that "First of all I told to Vivasvan, the sun-god, and then he described, he handed over the knowledge to his son, Vivasvan, Vaivasvata Manu." This is the age of Vaivasvata Manu. So in one day there are fourteen Manus, in one day of Brahma. So in one month how many?

Devotee: Two hundred twenty.

Prabhupada: Two hundred twenty. In this way, in one year, there are so many Manus in Brahma's... Some five thousand Manus in one year. So, so many Manus, and his sons are coming. Manu. From Manu, the word man has come. Manusya. The man, this word, is from Manu. We are all sons of Manu. There are two descendants of Manu. No, two descendants, ksatriya family. One from the sun-god and one from the moon-god. Two families, ksatriyas. Royal order. So Manu is from the sun, and the descendants, surya-vamsa, they are from Manu. Manur iksvakave 'bravit. Manu, his son was Iksvaku. Maharaja Iksvaku, king. He was the king of this planet, the original forefather of Lord Ramacandra's dynasty. Maharaja... Lord Ramacandra appeared in the family of Manu. And similarly... Surya-vamsa. Similarly, Lord Krsna also appeared in yadu-vamsa.

So these families, dynasties, are very, very old. Every... According to Vedic system, any family -- brahmana, ksatriya, vaisya, those who are higher caste -- they must give at least seven generations account. Otherwise he is not a respectable family. Seven generations. His father, his father, his father, his father, his father, like that. When there is marriage, then there is check corroboration. The bride's party and the bridegrooms party, they should narrate their seventh generation. If within their seventh generation it, what is called, collide, becomes the one man, then there will be no marriage, because it becomes the same family. One cannot marry in the same family. He must pick up another family. Otherwise one could marry his own sister. No. That is not possible.

So these family descendants... Still there is gotra. Gotra means in which family one is coming. Everyone must say his gotra and family title. Gotra means the guru, disciplic succession. Acyuta-gotra. We Vaisnava, our gotra is acyuta-gotra, Krsna. Krsna's name is Acyuta. Because we give up our other family gotra. We accept. Actually, originally everyone is coming from Krsna. From Krsna the Karanarnavasayi Visnu. From Karanarnavasayi Visnu, Garbhodakasayi Visnu. From Garbhodakasayi Visnu, Brahma. From Brahma, the sages, the Manus. In this way, everyone is descended from Krsna. And Krsna confirms also in the Bhagavad-gita,

sarva-yonisu kaunteya
murtayah sambhavanti yah
tasam brahma mahad-yonir
aham bija-pradah pita
[Bg. 14.4]

"I am the origin, or seed-giving father." Trees, plants, aquatics, by their karma they have to accept different dress, but as spirit soul, everyone is part and parcel of Krsna. That is also confirmed in the Bhagavad-gita. Mamaivamso jiva-bhutah [Bg. 15.7].

So it is said here that manu-putra mahaujasah. Of course, those who are Prajapatis, they are very famous. Naturally. They are the original. But all of them are kalah sarve harer eva. Kala. Kala means just like part of the, part, plenary expansion of Krsna. Then the expansion of the plenary expansion, then again expansion, again expansion. In this way, the first expansion is called prakasa. Just like first expansion is Baladeva, from Krsna. These things are described in Teachings of Lord Caitanya. You must read. The first expansion is Baladeva. The next expansion is from Baladeva, Sankarsana. From Sankarsana, Vasudeva, Aniruddha, Pradyumna, like that. So the first expansion is called prakasa. Then there are divisions: prabhava, vaibhava... In this way, as you have learned from previous verses, many thousands of expansions. We are also expansion, but we are separated expansion, living entities. Svamsa-vibhinnamsa. Svamsa. Just like this my hand is my part and parcel of my body, direct expansion. And from the hands there are so many hairs. They are also from the hand. Just as my head. And from the head there are so many hairs. So they are also expansion. But they are separated expansion. I can cut my hair, but I cannot cut my throat.

So there are expansions, svamsa, personal expansion, and separated expansion. The personal expansions are called visnu-tattva. Baladeva... Just like Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu, His personal expansion is Nityananda Prabhu and Advaita Prabhu. And Srivasadi they are separated expansion. Although they are associates, but Srivasa, jiva-tattva; and Nityananda Prabhu and Advaita Prabhu, visnu-tattva. And Gadadhara is sakti-tattva. So in this way, God is person and His personal expansions are innumerable, unlimited. Visnu-tattva. They are worshipable. And other tattva, sakti-tattva and jiva-tattva, they are meant for service. But all together taken, that is one. That is Absolute Truth.

So there are many different philosophical views of the Absolute Truth, how He is one with the energies and the separated expansion. So here it is explained that kalah sarve harer eva. Everyone is expansion from Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. But those who are prominent, they are called prajapatis. Prajapatis means directly expanding. These Kumaras, they were also offered to become prajapati, but they refused their father's request. So "We are not going to marry and beget children." So Brahma was angry. So when he was angry, then Lord Siva, Rudra, from his eyes generated. In higher circle the generation can be produced from any part of the body. But we cannot understand. We simply know one part wherefrom the generation comes. No. In higher circle... Just like many living entities came out from Brahma's nostril, eyes, ear. Just like Lord Brahma himself came out from the navel of Visnu. This requires specific power. Not that we have got some stereotyped ideas. Therefore we sometimes find difficulty to understand the description of the Vedas and the Puranas. They do not believe. As soon as we say that there was a lotus flower sprouted from the navel of Lord Visnu, and on that lotus flower Brahma generated, they call it a story. No. These are not stories. These are fact. But our philosophy is Dr. Frog's philosophy. You see? I can simply understand that three feet water in the well. That's all. If there is beyond that, description of Atlantic Ocean, it is beyond my conception. I therefore refuse. This is going.

This is the so-called scientists, philosophers. They have got a teeny brain, which they cannot accommodate so many big things. Therefore they disbelieve. And therefore they are nastika. But every description in the Vedic literature, they are fact. That is called astikyam, to have staunch faith. Our process is, therefore, whenever we speak something, we have to quote some Vedic version. Then it is corroborated. It is fact. Janmady asya yatah [SB 1.1.1]. Vedas, Vedanta says, The Absolute Truth is that which is the origin, source of everything. There must be something, original source. Otherwise how things are coming? This conviction means faith. Krsna says, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja. So those who will argue, "Why shall I surrender to Krsna?" But one who will accept, he becomes benefited.

So Vedic knowledge should be accepted as it is. Don't try to comment. If you go on commenting with your teeny brain, then you will never be able to achieve the success. That is the process. Vedavan. I have given you several times this example, that in the Vedas it is said that cow dung is pure, although it is the stool of an animal. We accept: "Yes, it is pure." And actually you find, yes, it is pure. If you analyze, you'll find all antiseptic properties. Now how in stool? Stool is septic. Septic tank, where has stool. But this stool is anti... It is practical. You can see. But wherefrom we get this information? From the Vedas. The knowledge received from the Vedas, there is no mistake. There is no illusion. It is perfect. Just like here, we have read the passage that four lakhs of years, 400,000's of years after from this time, there will be incarnation of Kalki. His father's name should be Visnu Yasa. The place where He will appear, it is Sambhal. Everything is stated there. Now 400,000's of years it will... Lord Buddha appeared 2,500 years after the Bhagavat was written. That's came a fact.

So if we take the Vedic statement, Vedic literature statement, as fact, then our knowledge is perfect. You don't require to research. There is no need. It is perfect knowledge and very easy. Krsna says that imam vivasvate yogam proktavan aham avyayam [Bg. 4.1]. So Krsna said this. Arjuna was playing just like ordinary man, although he is not ordinary man. Just to give us lessons, he was asking question just like ordinary man. So when Krsna said that "I spoke this Bhagavad-gita science of God, or philosophy, to Vivasvan, the sun-god," He clarified the matter. He said... Arjuna said, "My dear Krsna, You are my contemporary, of the same age. So how can I believe that You spoke Bhagavad-gita some 400 millions of years ago to sun-god? How can I believe You?" So Krsna answered, "Yes, you were also present, but you have forgotten. I remember." That is the difference between God and human, living entity. God knows everything, past, present, future. We do not know. We are teeny. We cannot be equal with God at any stage of life. Even Arjuna, who is constant companion of Krsna, he is also forgetting that... Krsna replied, "Both you and Me had many, many births. We appeared. But you have forgotten; I remember. That is the difference."

So the difference between God and ordinary living entity must be there. Anyone who is claiming as the Supreme Lord or God, he is a blasphemer. He is a rascal. He's a cheater. So you should not be influenced by such rascals. God is always great, always great. There is no equal, no greater. That is called great. Nobody can be equal with God and nobody can be greater than God. Everyone under God. Asamordhva. Therefore God's another name is Asamordhva. "A" means none. Sama means equal. Urdhva means greater. Asamordhva So everyone is emanation from God, but nobody is equal with God. But the visnu-tattva, They are the same. There is no difference between Krsna and Ramacandra, Narayana, Visnu, because They are visnu-tattva. Baladeva. They are equally powerful. But jiva-tattva, we living entities, although we are part and parcel of God, we are not equally powerful. That is called the philosophy of acintya-bhedabheda-tattva, simultaneously one and different. Simultaneously one and different. Just like in Bible also, Jesus Christ is claimed as one with God, but at the same time different. As son, he is different. As representative of God, he is one. That is the philosophy, perfect philosophy. All living entities, anything within this manifestation, even this whole world, is one with God. Idam hi visvam bhagavan ivetarah Narada Muni said to Vyasadeva. Idam hi visvam. This whole universe is God. Idam hi visvam bhagavan, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, ivetarah. But it appears like different.

So now, according to this formula, idam hi visvam bhagavan... Then forgetfulness of Bhagavan. Forgetfulness of relationship with Bhagavan, Krsna, is materialism. The... Actually, everything is Bhagavan, but when we forget the relationship of this world and Bhagavan, Krsna, that is materialism. Just like we are offering some foodstuff to Krsna. So Krsna is eating matter? No. Krsna cannot eat matter. He is spirit. Then how we are offering the same rice and dal to Krsna which is also being cooked in the hotel? The thing is that here is the sense that "This rice or dal is given by Krsna." There is remembrance of Krsna. Therefore it is spiritual. And there, in the hotel, they do not know Krsna. Therefore it is matter. That is the difference between matter and spirit. Actually, everything is emanation from Krsna, so there cannot be anything matter. Idam hi visvam bhagavan. But the forgetfulness... The material world is... What is this material world? The material world is everyone is forgetting Krsna. Their only business is to forget Krsna. Therefore it is material. But if Krsna consciousness is there, the mat..., no more material world.

Just like this temple. This temple is spiritual, Vaikuntha. It is not Los Angeles. Don't think like that. It is Vaikuntha. Because here every second the remembrance of Krsna is there. Therefore it is not Los Angeles. Or anyone who remembers Krsna always, twenty-four hours, he is living in Vaikuntha. He is not in the kingdom of maya. That is required. Satatam cintayanto mam: "Always thinking of Me." In the Bhagavad-gita you will find, satatam cintayanto mam. So if you keep this practice, always thinking of Krsna, then you are not in the material world. You are always in the spiritual world. For practical example: just like there are foreign embassies in foreign countries. So long they are within the embassy, they are not living in the foreign country. That is the law. Suppose I belong to some foreign embassy. So I have done something criminal. So the American government cannot arrest me from the embassy. When I come out, he can arrest. So ships also, when they are on the port of a foreign country, so on the ship also the foreign police force cannot arrest anyone. These are the etiquette, law.

So if it is possible in ordinary dealings, so why not possible spiritually? And that's a fact. If you keep always yourself in Krsna consciousness, you do not belong to this material world. Then actually you are part and parcel of Krsna, your spiritual identity.

Thank you very much. (end)

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.3.27 -- Los Angeles, October 2, 1972

"Offering Everything To Krishna"

Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.3.19
September 24, 1972, Los Angeles

Srila A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

Pradyumna: (leads chanting, etc.)

pancadasam vamanakam
krtvagad adhvaram baleh
pada-trayam yacamanah
pratyaditsus tri-pistapam

Translation: "In the fifteenth incarnation, the Lord assumed the form of a dwarf-brahmana, Vamana, and visited the arena of sacrifice arranged by Maharaja Bali. Although at heart He was willing to regain the kingdom of the three planetary systems, He simply asked for a donation of three steps of land."

Prabhupada: So Vamanadeva.

chalayasi vikramane balim adbhuta-vamana
pada-nakha-nira-janita-jana-pavana
kesava dhrta-vamana-rupa jaya jagadisa hare

So Bali Maharaja, he was the grandson of Prahlada Maharaja. They were in the demon's family. But in the demon's family also, there is sometimes Prahlada Maharaja, Bali Maharaja. Prahlada and Bali, they are our acaryas. There are twelve bona fide acaryas. Balir vaiyasakir vayam. The acaryas are mentioned. Dvadasa-mahajanah. Svayambhu. Svayambhu means Lord Brahma. (aside:) Don't make sound. Svayambhu, Narada. Narada is also one of the authorities. They have been accepted at (as) authority for understanding religious principles. Religious principle is not to be understood by from a rascal. No, that anyone comes and says religious topics. No. We have to receive it from the authority.

So Bali Maharaja is one of the authorities. Out of the twelve authorities, first is Lord Brahma; the next, Narada; the next, Lord Siva; then next, the Kumaras; then Kapiladeva; then Manu, Vaivasvata Manu; then Prahlada Maharaja; then Janaka Maharaja; then Bhismadeva; then Bali Maharaja; then Sukadeva Gosvami; and then Yamaraja. It is stated in the sastra that mahajano yena gatah sa panthah. You cannot understand transcendental subject matter simply by dry speculation and argument. You cannot understand. Neither by reading Vedic literature. The conclusion is that you have to follow those who are authorities. Mahajano yena. Dharmasya tattvam nihitam guhayam mahajano yena gatah sa panthah. Guha. Guha means the cave, mountain cave, and guha means the heart. So suppose something is very valuable is there in the cave of the mountain, and you do not know how to search it out. But if you know somebody who knows it, if you follow him, that "He is going there so I may also follow..."

So religious principles cannot be manufactured, neither it can be made by speculation. So actually, there cannot be many religions. The rascal theory that "There are as many religious system as I can believe... You believe something, that's all right. I believe something, that's all right. He believes something, that's all right." No. It is not like that. Then everyone will believe like any nonsense thing, that becomes religion? No. Religion means dharmam tu saksad bhagavat-pranitam [SB 6.3.19]. Religion means the codes, the laws, given by God. That is religion. Man cannot manufacture. I have several times explained. Just like law, state law. The state law can be given by the government. You cannot manufacture law. Nobody will care for your law. The state law is that "You must keep right your car. As soon as there is red light, you must stop." If you violate, you will be punished, although it is very simple thing. Similarly, religion means the law of God. You cannot violate it. If you violate, then you will be punished. If you think that "This religious system is very stiff. Let me manufacture my own religion," so that kind of religion is not accepted by the Vedic culture. And when actually the real religion is violated... Yada yada hi dharmasya glanir bhavati... [Bg. 4.7]. Glanih means violation. Tadatmanam srjamy aham. At that time the Supreme Lord or His representative comes to establish real religion.

That is stated in the Bhagavad-gita.

...dharma-samsthapanarthaya
sambhavami yuge yuge.

Dharma-samstha... Real religious principle. Real religious principle means to abide by the laws of the Supreme Lord, God. But they do not believe in God. "Everyone is God. I am God, you are God, he is God, everyone is God. So whatever law you give yourself, that becomes your religion." This is going on. So God is not so cheap that you become God, I become God, he becomes God. The sastra says, krsnas tu bhagavan svayam. Isvarah paramah krsnah [Bs. 5.1]. God is Krsna, the Supreme Lord, the original God. Isvarah paramah krsnah sac-cid-ananda [Bs. 5.1]. God, Krsna also says in the Bhagavad-gita, mattah parataram nanyat: [Bg. 7.7] "There is no superior authority than Me." The Vedanta-sutra also says, janmady asya yatah [SB 1.1.1]. The original source of everything. Who is that original source? God. Who is that God? Krsna. Krsna says, aham sarvasya prabhavo mattah sarvam pravartate [Bg. 10.8]. "I am the origin of everything." Iti matva bhajante mam budha bhava-samanvitah. "Those who are budha..." Budha means one who knows, one who is in the knowledge. Bhava-samanvitah. Bhava-samanvitah, knowing everything in ecstasy, "Oh, here is God." Budha bhava-samanvitah.

aham sarvasya prabhavo
mattah sarvam pravartate
iti matva bhajante mam
budha bhava-samanvitah
[Bg. 10.8]

So everything is there. God is there. His name is there. His address is there. His law is there. Everything is there. But the rascals will not accept it. That is the position. Therefore we have to follow the mahajana. So Bali Maharaja is one of the mahajana. How he became mahajana? Because he's surrendering fully unto the Supreme Personality of Godhead. This Vamanadeva, incarnation of... Kesava dhrta-vamana-rupa. So the incident is that Bali Maharaja was very powerful, and he conquered the whole universe, even the demigods all. So Visnu is always in favor of the demigods because demigods, they are also devotees. The difference between sura and asura... Asura means envious of the demigods. That is called asura. Sura-dvisa. The another name of the asura, "those who are envious of devotees." That is the only business. There, two classes of men are always there. Sometimes one class in more in number, and other class is more in number. But two classes. Dvau bhuta-sargau loke. "There are two classes of men, living entities." Daiva asura eva ca. "One is called daiva, demigods, and the other is called asura." So who is daiva? Visnu-bhakto bhaved daiva. "Those who are devotees of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Lord Visnu, they are called demigods, or Vaisnava." All Vaisnavas are demigods. And those who are not... Asuras tad viparyayah. "Anyone opposite number, against Visnu, they are all called asuras."

So sometimes in asura's family also, there are Vaisnavas. By the grace of Narada. Narada makes... Just like Prahlada Maharaja became a great devotee by the grace of Narada, although he was born of a father, atheist father, Hiranyakasipu. So Narada Muni's business is to travel all over the universe and make Vaisnava. So this Bali Maharaja, he conquered all over the universe, and the demigods were defeated. So Vamanadeva, He also one of the considered demigods, Upendra. So He went to Bali Maharaja by a trick. Because Bali Maharaja... Krsna knows that Bali Maharaja was the grandson of Prahlada Maharaja and he was a great devotee at heart. He knew that. Isvarah sarva-bhutanam hrd-dese 'rjuna tisthati [Bg. 18.61]. Lord is situated in everyone's heart. He knows everyone. So therefore, in order to return back the kingdoms taken from the demigods, He made a trick. He went there. Bali Maharaja was performing a great sacrifice, Bali-dhare.(?) So He went there and asked Bali Maharaja, "Bali Maharaja, you are performing such a great sacrifice. I am at your door. I am brahmana. Will you kindly give Me some donation?" "Yes, why not? That is my... I will give you. Whatever You want, I will give You."

So immediately his spiritual master, the demon's spiritual master Sukracarya... Sukracarya means... Sukra means semina. Seminal acarya. Means... You do not know. In India, there is a class of men, they are called gurus. The professional guru, rather. So Sukracarya. Sukracarya, he was very learned scholar. He knew everything, that "Here Vamanadeva, He is incarnation of Visnu. He has come to cheat Bali. He will ask something and then He will take everything from Bali." He knew it. So sometimes cheating also done by the Supreme Lord for the sake of the devotee. So this is not cheating. Just like father sometimes cheats a son. Suppose something is there, and two brothers, small children, they are fighting. One has taken, another is crying. So the one will not deliver to the other. So father says, "My dear child, will you kindly give me this." So he gives to the father and he delivers to the other child. (laughter) You see? So sometimes God has to do such cheating of affection. That is not cheating actually. But the cheating propensity is there in God. Otherwise where we get it? (laughter) But we use cheating for our personal sense gratification. But if you use that cheating propensity for Krsna's satisfaction, then it is all right. Manimiti krtam papam punyayaiva kalpate.(?)

So the Bali Maharaja was cheated by... But he, being cheated, he became conqueror. So this Sukracarya said to Bali Maharaja, "Don't promise to this Vamana anything. He is Lord Visnu. He has come to cheat you." Bali Maharaja became more enlightened. "Oh, He is Lord Visnu? But you have taught me that everything should be given to Visnu. So if Visnu has come at my door, why you are asking not to make any promise?" So that means Sukracarya were playing duplicity. He taught something, and now he's saying another thing. Therefore Bali Maharaja said that "I cannot accept. I give up your company from this day, that you are checking me to offer everything to Visnu. Oh, I do not want such spiritual master"

So that means... That is the shastric injunction, that anyone who is not a Visnu devotee, or Vaisnava, he cannot become guru. That is the injunction of the sastra. Sat-karma-nipuno vipro mantra-tantra-visaradah. A brahmana, very learned, he knows his duties, brahminical duties very well... Just like Sukracarya. Sat-karma-nipunah. Sat-karma-nipunah. Brahmana have got six kinds of occupation: pathana-pathana yajana-yajana dana-pratigraha. Brahmana should be very learned, he should teach others also Vedic knowledge, pathana-pathana. Yajana-yajana. He must be devotee or great worshiper, and he should teach others also how to worship. Yajana-yajana. Dana-pratigraha. He will accept charity from others, and he will give in charity again to others. These are the six occupation of a brahmana. So sastra says, sat-karma-nipuno viprah, "A brahmana, well conversed with these duties of brahminical duties," and mantra-tantra-visaradah, "and expert in studying the mantras, Vedic mantras, and tantra, other Vedic literature," avaisnavo gurur na sa syat, "but if he is avaisnava," means he does not worship Lord Visnu but other demigods, "then he cannot become guru." That is not allowed. You cannot become guru. Sat-karma-nipuno vipro mantra...

So this Sukracarya, he was against Visnu. So Bali Maharaja immediately rejected him. Therefore he became a mahajana, exemplary. Because you cannot give up your spiritual master. That is a great sin. Once accepted, the spiritual master takes responsibility for the disciple. And disciple also must be obedient to the spiritual master for life, for good. That is the relationship. So if one rejects spiritual master, he becomes a great sinner, most sinful. So Bali Maharaja rejected his spiritual master. That's a great sin. But he rejected on shastric ground, because he objected for Visnu worship. Therefore such spiritual master should be rejected. Should be rejected. Therefore he became mahajana, authority. Anyone who is obstruction to worship the Supreme Lord, he should be rejected immediately. That is bhakti. Anukulyasya grahanam pratikulyasya varjanam. Anything favorable for advancement of Krsna consciousness should be accepted; anything unfavorable, that should be rejected. This is saranagati. Anukulyena krsnanusilanam. We have to worship Krsna, whatever is favorable. It is not that because the microphone is material, therefore I cannot use it. There are some so-called transcendentalists... Why not? If I speak through the microphone, I can serve better Krsna. Why shall I not accept it? So anukulyena krsnanusilanam. Anything which is favorable for serving Krsna, we shall accept. After all, everything belongs to Krsna. Isavasyam idam sarvam. Nothing belongs to you. Simply we are thieves. We are using Krsna's property for our own sense gratification. Stena eva sa ucyate. All thieves.

So just like this Bali Maharaja, he conquered. So actually nothing belongs to Bali Maharaja, but he thought So Krsna, to save him from this theft criminality, He approached him, "My dear Bali Maharaja, will you kindly give Me three feet land." So after rejecting his spiritual master, who opposed, he promised, "Yes, I shall give." So by one feet the whole lower portion of the universe was covered. The other feet, the upper portion of the universe was covered. Still, the third feet remained. So Vamanadeva asked, "Now, Bali Maharaja, all your possession is now covered by My two feet. Where is to keep the other feet?" Bali Maharaja said, "Yes, there is place. You just put Your feet, foot on my head." So in this way Bali Maharaja surrendered everything. Sarvatma-svapateyam. He, personal property and the personal body, everything dedicated to Krsna. He became mahajana. There are nine processes of bhakti:

sravanam kirtanam visnoh
smaranam pada-sevanam
arcanam vandanam dasyam
sakhyam atma-nivedanam
[SB 7.5.23]

So Bali Maharaja dedicated atma-nivedana, everything: his property, his personal body, everything. So in exchange, Vamana, Lord Vamana became his doorkeeper. So Vamanadeva said, "My dear Bali Maharaja, you are so great a devotee. So in return for your service, I shall remain always your doorkeeper."

So by offering everything to Krsna, nobody is loser. You must always remem... They are gainer, the best gainer. Because after all, everything belongs to Krsna. Why should we foolishly say, "It is mine, it is mine?" Aham mameti [SB 5.5.8]. Janasya moho 'yam. This is called illusion. Nothing belongs to me, but I think that "This is mine, this is mine, this is mine." The whole world is going on (like) that. Aham mameti [SB 5.5.8]. "We are Americans," "We are Indians," "This belongs to me," "That belongs to you." We make such, I mean to say, shareholder. But shareholder for other's property. Everything belongs to God. Not only this world -- there are many millions and millions of planet. Sarva-loka-mahesvaram. Loka means planet. Krsna says, sarva-loka-mahesvaram. Bhoktaram yajna-tapasam sarva-loka... [Bg. 5.29]. He is the proprietor. But we are dividing: "This is American," "This is Indian." But how long you will remain American and Indian? Say, fifty years. Then if you are going to be a dog, then who is saving your country? This is going on. Nothing belongs to us, except everything belongs to Krsna, and we are all offspring of Krsna. Everyone has got the right to father's property, but not to encroach others' property. Tena tyaktena bhunjitha ma grdhah kasya svid dhanam. If people accept this philosophy, then the whole world becomes Vaikuntha. There is no quarrel. There is no... Everything becomes happy.

Thank you very much. (end)

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.3.19 -- Los Angeles, September 24, 1972

"Civilized--Less Than Animal"

Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.3.14
September 19, 1972, Los Angeles

Srila A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

Pradyumna: (leads chanting, etc.)

rsibhir yacito bheje
navamam parthivam vapuh
dugdhemam osadhir vipras
tenayam sa usattamah

Translation: "O brahmanas, the ninth incarnation of the Lord, prayed for by sages, was King Prthu, who cultivated the land to yield various produces, and for that reason the earth was beautiful and attractive."

Prabhupada: So this refers to King Prthu, Maharaja Prthu. So his father's name was King Vena. And his father's name was... I don't remember. Perhaps Anga, like that. So the Vena's father married one woman. She was the daughter of Death, means the family was not very good. So as a result of this marriage, a son was born, whose name was Vena, who came out to be first-class rogue. So the father of Vena wanted to reform him in so many ways, but he could not. The son was not to be corrected. So the father became disgusted, and one day he left home without any knowledge of the family members or the officers and king. He left.

Then the great sages and brahmanas, because without king there was irregularities in the kingdom... Just like we have got experience. If there is no good government, strong government, the rogues, thieves, smugglers and so many other disrupting elements, they will grow. Because they are always existing. They find out the opportunity. As soon as there is some revolution, political upsurge, or mismanagement of the government, these undesirable elements, they come out. So when the father of Vena Maharaja left home, the kingdom became unruly. Therefore the sages and saintly persons, they asked the queen that "Your son, although he is worthless, so let him become king. There must be some king."

So this Vena was made king by the desire of the saintly person. The significance is that formerly the brahmanas, the ksatriyas, the vaisyas and the sudras, these four departments, they must remain. Varnasrama. That must be maintained, class division. So the brahmanas, the saintly persons, sages, they used to recommend that "Yes, this person is fit for becoming king." Then the coronation was celebrated. Or... This means that the ksatriyas were under the order of the brahmanas. So when Vena become king, of course, the rogues and thieves, they were immediately subdued. Because rogues and thieves, and here the king is also greater rogue. So the smaller rogues were subdued immediately. That was one of the benefit, because he was very strong and cruel. Immediately, caught a rogue, he will immediately cut off his head. So they were subdued. But he himself is a rogue. Nunam mahatam tatra. This is our experience. "Might is right." If you are stronger, then you can subdue less strong. But he became very much disturbing. He was atheist, and he ordered that "There is no God. I am God. So what I say, you have to abide." The brahmanas were also... "You cannot perform yajnas. This is not required." In this way, he became too much disturbing.

Then one day all the brahmanas and the sages, they came to give him instruction: "My dear king, it is not your duty to stop all kinds of religious activities." Just like the Communist government. Yes. But who hears? He said, "No. Why you are trying to pacify God? I am God. You just act. If you are actually God conscious, then you act according to my order." So when the sages and brahmanas became disgusted, he was killed by the brahmanas, by their order. You see? The brahmanas were so strong. By simply cursing, they could kill anyone. So the Vena was killed. Then again the rogues and thieves came out. Then from the body of Vena, they created two sons. One son was black, and he was ordered that "You go to the forest." Because they could know that he was exactly son of the father. Nisada. Nisada. They were sent... He was sent to the forest. And then the King Prthu was born. The King Prthu, He is incarnation of, power incarnation of God. Saktyavesavatara So he proved himself as a great king on this earth. He produced foodstuff, foodgrains, profusely.

That from the life of King Prthu we can understand. We are discussing that in the Fourth Canto, the life of Maharaja Prthu, how good government can be maintained. Prthu Maharaja is the ideal king. He produced, he made arrangement. The earth was not producing sufficient foodgrains, so he attacked the earth that "Why you are not producing?" The mother earth said that "Because the people have become demon and they are simply eating, but they are not doing their duty. Therefore I have minimized producing grain." This is to be very important, that the earth can produce any amount of foodgrains. There is no question of overpopulation. There is no question of overpopulation, because everyone is being fed by the mercy of God. Eko bahunam yo vidadhati kaman. God is giving everyone the foodstuff.

I have several times explained in this class that nobody has got any food problem. Simply the so-called civilized, advanced in science, these people have got problems of foodgrains. Otherwise, there are millions of elephants, they are eating very nicely. There are ants, there are elephants, there are tigers, there are monkeys, there are trees... So many, 8,400,000 forms of body. How they are eating? Unless they are eating... We kill animals, but the animals do not come to the..., to us, that "We are starving. Give us food." Never. By nature, there is arrangement, foodstuff. The cows, the other animals, they are eating grass. There is profuse growth of grass. So they are not eating your nice foodstuff, sandesa, rasagulla. You are making sandesa, rasagulla from the milk which they deliver. They are eating grass and delivering you nice foodstuff, milk. And from the milk, you can make hundreds and thousands of nice, nutritious, full of vitamin foodstuff. But no. We are so fool that instead of utilizing the milk, we are utilizing the blood. You see?

These rascals, the scientists, they do not know that milk is nothing but transformation of the blood. That everyone knows. So if you want to... That is nature's way, by God's will, that a cow gives forty pounds, fifty pounds milk daily, but it does not drink. Although it is her milk, no, it gives you, human society: "You take. But don't kill me. Let me live. I am eating only grass." Just see. And the civilized men killing them, killing them. And they want peace. Just see the fun. Without touching your foodstuff, the cow is eating the grass which is given by God, immense grass, and they are giving you the finest foodstuff, milk. Just after your birth you have only to drink milk, either mother's milk... Nowadays, mothers do not supply milk. That is also to be supplied by the cow. So from the very beginning of my life I am subsisting by the foodstuff given by mother, cow, and when I am grown up, I kill. This is my gratitude. Just see. And they are called civilized. Less than lowest animal, naradhama. They are called naradhama, lowest of the mankind. Those who are killing cows, maintaining slaughterhouse, they are lowest of the mankind. They are not human being. Less than animal. They have no gratitude.

So the idea is that there is no food problem. As the mother earth said to King Prthu that "I am restricting," so the more you become sinful, the food supply will be stopped. This is the law of nature. At the end there will be no foodgrains, at the end of Kali-yuga. That is stated in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. There will be no foodgrain, no fruits, no milk, no sugar. You have to live on flesh and blood. At that time, being hungry, you will kill your own children and eat flesh and blood. That day is waiting. So this is the civilization. Most heinous civilization. It can only be saved by spreading this Krsna consciousness movement. Otherwise there is no way.

So sinful civilization. Therefore our first restriction is no meat-eating. It is a most sinful act. Meat-eating, or intoxication, drinking, gambling, and illicit sex. These are the four pillars of sinful life. So unless you stop, you break these four pillars, how you can think of God? God is not so cheap. The rascal says, "You can do whatever you like. I give you... I push your eyes and you see God. You push your nose, you see God." You see? These nonsense things are going on. But God is not so cheap. He is cheap, very cheap. He is very kind. But we want to remain sinful. Therefore we cannot see God. Arjuna addressed Krsna, param dhama param brahma pavitram paramam bhavan. "You are the most pure." So how you can approach God with sinful life? That is not possible. That is simply bogus thing, that you keep your sinful life, at the same time you want to see God, you want to talk with God. That is not possible.

So this point is that if the population of the world becomes sinful, demonic, then nature will not supply you sufficient food. She will diminish. We have got experience. In India we have seen, some years there is overproduction of mango. People... Very cheap. Everyone can purchase. And sometimes there is no supply, some year. Similarly, foodgrains also. Some year there is oversupply of foodgrain and sometimes there is scanty supply. Now, this supply of foodgrains, fruits, and everything, even milk... In our New Vrindaban, because the cows feel very safe, they give us sufficient milk. That is our experience. So you keep things in order according to the Vedic injunction, you get sufficient food. There is no question of scarcity. But if you become sinful, demons, then the nature's food supply will be ultimately stopped. You can produce your food in the factory... You cannot do that. You can produce motorcars to consume all the petroleum within the earth, and then you become no petrol. Then throw all these motorcars. Unless you find out some other energy That you can do. You can make things topsy-turvied. But by your so-called scientific advancement, you cannot increase or, I mean to say, stop nonproduction. That you cannot.

So there was such a time because Prthu Maharaja's father was a demon. He stopped all religious activities. Therefore people became demonic, and there was restriction of food supply. Then Prthu Maharaja made arrangement, and there was sufficient foodstuff. Dugdhemam osadhir vipras tenayam sa usattamah. Since Prthu Maharaja arranged the whole society to be religious, to be God conscious, everything become beautiful. This can be done even now. If people become Krsna conscious, the whole world will become beautiful, Vaikuntha, without any anxiety. That is possible. Because that is nature's law. Just like if you become criminal, the state police force will always harass you. You cannot get out of it. He'll harass you. But that is expensive job for the government. Because it requires extra police, extra management, extra everything. But if the people become honest, God conscious, so many expenditure will be reduced. And money will be saved for spreading Krsna consciousness or for Krsna's service. Then the whole world will become exactly as it was in the Prthu Maharaja's day.

So Prthu Maharaja was very nice king. He not only helped producing enough foodstuff, but he was examining each man, whether he is employed or not. There was no unemployment in Prthu Maharaja's time. Everyone must have employment, engagement. Nowadays, in spite of so much advancement of science, there are thousands and thousands of unemployed people. They have no sufficient engagement. Of course, in your country, although there is employment, they have denied to accept employment. In India, for employment... There is employment bureau by the government. So if you go to any employment bureau, you will find thousands of men are standing in line to get a job. Unemployment. But it is the duty of the government to see that nobody is unemployed. Everyone must have some means of earning. That is good government.

So Prthu Maharaja did it. The brahmanas... Not that a brahmana will be employed as a sudra. No. A brahmana must be employed as a brahmana. A ksatriya must be employed for a ksatriya. A vaisya must be employed for a vaisya. And sudra... That was the system. The brahmanas are rejected in the present society because they have no more interest in religious activities. They don't care for the sastra, sadhu. No, don't care. They simply sense grati... Daksyam kutumba-bharanam. Udaram bharita. At the present moment people will be satisfied... Just like animal. If animal has got sufficient food to fill up the belly and sufficient arrangement for sex, then he is satisfied. He doesn't want anything.

So man has become like that. If his belly is filled up with some rubbish thing and if he is free to have sex life, then he thinks, "My life is perfect now." And more perfect life, daksyam kutumba-bharanam. In this age, if one man can maintain his wife and children, he will be considered a great man "Oh, he is so able, that he is maintaining his wife and children." Maintaining wife and children, even cats and dogs can do. But in this age, if a man can maintain his wife and children, he will be considered as very expert. Because most people will have no wife, no children. This is the age. So more you become sinful, the more you become irresponsible, the more you become Godless -- these things are awaiting.

Thank you very much. (end)

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.3.14 -- Los Angeles, September 19, 1972

"You Must First Be Gentle"

Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.3.13
September 18, 1972, Los Angeles

Srila A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

Pradyumna: (leads chanting, etc.)

astame merudevyam tu
nabher jata urukramah
darsayan vartma dhiranam
sarvasrama-namaskrtam

Translation: "The eighth incarnation was King Rsabha, son of King Nabhi and his wife Merudevi. In this incarnation the Lord showed the path of perfection, which is followed by those who have fully controlled their senses and who are honored by all orders of life."

Prabhupada: So there are some important words in this verse. The first thing is dhiranam. Dhiranam mean sober, gentle. There are two ways, because there are two kinds of people in this world. One is called dhira, and the other is called adhira. Adhira means almost animal. They cannot control their senses. The dhira, one who can control sense. He is called dhira. In the Rupa Gosvami's obeisances we find, krsnotkirtana-gana-nartana-parau premamrtambho-nidhi dhiradhira-jana-priyau priya-karau. Krsnotkirtana, the Krsna consciousness movement is appreciable by the both classes, dhira and adhira. Those who are advanced by austerities, controlling the senses, and those who are not so, very fallen, both of them, Dhiradhira-jana-priyau priya-karau nirmatsarau.

Another example of dhira is there in Kumara Sambhava. Kumara Sambhava is a Sanskrit book, which I think we read in our college I.A. class, by Kalidasa, poet Kalidasa. So this theme of that book is that the demigods, they wanted to fight with the demons, and it was necessary that a son should be begotten by Lord Siva. So Lord Siva at that time lost his wife in the daksa-yajna. She gave up his (her) life. There was some misunderstanding between Maharaja Daksa, father of Parvati, or Durga. So she gave up her life because her father was against Lord Siva. He was repudiating Lord Siva, and she could not tolerate that "My father, you are so proud that you are blaspheming Lord Siva because you think I am your daughter and your son-in-law is subordinate. So I am returning this body to you." So (s)he immediately gave up her body. So Lord Siva, having lost his wife, he was on the Himalayas executing severe tapasya. So the demigods, they planned to break the tapasya meditation of Lord Siva by sending Parvati, daughter of Himalaya. Lord Siva's wife then took birth as daughter of Himalaya. So when she was young, grown-up, sixteen years old, so she was engaged to break the meditation of Lord Siva. So Lord Siva was in meditation, naked, and Parvati was induced to worship Lord Siva and touch the genital. But Lord Siva still was undisturbed. So at that time, Kalidasa Kavi, that "Here is the example of dhira. He is so much absorbed in meditation that a young girl, touching the genital, still, he is undisturbed. He is so self-controlled."

So this is dhira. Dhira means even there is cause of disturbance he will not be disturbed. That is dhira. And one who is disturbed by the slight agitation, he is not dhira. He is adhira. So mostly, people are adhira. They are agitated by a slight disturbance, because they have not been trained in such a way. Otherwise... Just like Krsna. When Krsna was being elected as president in the rajasuya-yajna assembly of Maharaja Yudhisthira, so somebody remarked that "This man..." Because those who were blind, they would see Krsna as ordinary man... So "He is woman-hunter from the very beginning. So how He can be elected?" So at that time Bhisma, the most celebrated brahmacari... He never accepted any wife or he had no connection with any woman. He immediately stood up. He said that "I am celebrated throughout the whole world as brahmacari, but if I would have been in the position of Krsna... He was dancing with young girls, but He was not agitated. But I would have been agitated. I admit. Therefore He is dhira. He should be elected."

You'll find rasa-lila, Krsna was dancing with so many young girls, but you won't find there was any sex relation. There was nothing like that. So that is dhira. They were devotees, gopis. They used to come to Krsna. But there is no such thing written, as pregnancy and abortion. No, nothing of the sort. That is called dhira, that in spite of presence of the cause of disturbance... The gopis came to Krsna because He was very beautiful young boy. Actually they were attracted by His beauty. That is stated, kamat. They came as a lust. But when they came to Krsna, they became purified. That is dhira. Krsna was kind enough. The gopis, they wanted Krsna, to associate with Him. So Krsna gave them chance, "Yes, come on." The gopis wanted Krsna as husband. They made tapasya, austerity, to have Krsna as husband. But at that time Krsna was... The gopis and Krsna were of the same age. Just like boys and girls play together. But girls become at the age of twelve, thirteen years, their sex desires become strong. But boys, they do not become sex desire so strong, unless they are badly associated. So neither it was possible that Krsna would marry so many girlfriends. But they wanted Krsna as husband, all of them. Therefore Krsna fulfilled their desire in the vastra-harana. Because a woman can become naked only before husband. That is Vedic. So Krsna somehow or other made them naked so that... He declared that "You wanted Me as husband. So much, that's all." So people misunderstand Krsna. Unless understood through authoritative sources, Krsna is misunderstood. But He is the dhira. He is not adhira. He is not like ordinary man. Dhira.

So here it is said that urukramah. The Supreme Personality of Godhead is described here as urukrama. Urukrama means one who acts very wonderful things which is not possible for ordinary human being. So He wanted to show the real path of life. Maharaja Rsabhadeva, He was king, emperor of the world. So His instruction are there in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. (tapping sound) He instructed... (aside:) What is this sound? He instructed His sons, "My dear boys, this human form of life is not meant for sense enjoyment, which is available in the life of dogs and hogs." It was His instruction. He instructed that human society should be dhira, self-controlled. That is ideal human society. That is Vedic civilization.

Here it is also stated, sarvasrama-namaskrtam. Asrama. Sarva-asrama. Asrama. I have several times described that the brahmacari-asrama, grhastha-asrama, vanaprastha-asrama, sannyasa-asrama. Sarvasrama, all orders of life. Varnasrama. The Vedic civilization is based on four varnas: brahmana, ksatriya, vaisya, sudra; and four asramas: brahmacari, grhastha, vanaprastha, and sannyasa. So Lord Rsabhadeva planned in such a way to teach His sons -- He had one hundred sons -- that it will be honored by all the asramas. Out of His one hundred sons, nine became sannyasi. Nava Yogendra, very highly elevated spiritually, nine sons. And eighty-one sons... Out of hundred, nine gone, ninety-one sons? So out of them, eleven became ksatriyas, and others became brahmanas, like that. So this proves that not that by birth one becomes brahmana or ksatriya or vaisya or sudra, but it is by different qualification. Otherwise how Rsabhadeva's son... He was ksatriya, supposed to be ksatriya. So His sons are also ksatriya. How they became brahmana? No. That was the Vedic culture. Janmana jayate sudrah. As soon as one is born, he is accepted as sudra. Neither brahmana nor ksatriya nor... Raw. By training, either he becomes a brahmana or a ksatriya.

Just like a man has got several sons, but all of them, in the beginning, they are illiterate. Now, in their grown-up age, by accepting different departmental knowledge, one becomes a medical practitioner, one becomes engineer, one becomes lawyer, or one becomes vagabond. So not by birth, one becomes engineer or medical man or this or... No. Everything by culture, by education. Similarly, the Vedic culture means everyone is given the chance to become first-class brahmana. That is called brahminical culture. Everyone is given. Because without becoming a brahmana, nobody can understand what is God. And the human life is meant for understanding God. That is the only business of human form of life. Not like cats and dogs -- how to eat, how to sleep, how to have sexual intercourse, and how to defend. These the animals know. The birds, bees, they know how to do it.

This Rsabhadeva, He taught that "My dear boys, this life, human form of life, is not to be wasted like hogs and dogs." Sense enjoyment is there amongst the hogs -- better facility. No restriction. No restriction. In human society at least there is official some restriction. Matra svasra duhitra. All sastra says, "There is no..." But there are societies -- we do not want to discuss -- who have sex relationship even with mother, sister, and daughter. Still. But it was formerly also. Not like that, very common. But sastra says, matra svasra duhitra va naviviktasano bhavet. "You do not sit down in a secluded place even with your mother, with your sister, with your daughter." So people may say, "One becomes agitated by association of mother, sister, and daughter, many fools or most degraded." No. Sastra says balavan indriya-gramo vidvamsam api karsati. "The senses are so strong that even one is very learned, he becomes agitated." He becomes agitated, even in the presence of mother, sister, and daughter.

So senses are so strong. Balavan indriya-gramah. It is prohibited. What to speak of others. Therefore, the common moral teachings and the Vedic civilization is to accept any woman except his own wife as mother. Matrvat para-daresu. Para-daresu. Everyone is supposed to be married. Dara means wife. Para-daresu, other's wife. It doesn't matter if she is younger or older, but she should be treated as mother. Therefore it is the system in Vedic culture, as soon as one sees another woman, she (he) addresses her, "mother," Mataji. Immediately, "mother." That makes the relationship. The woman treats the unknown man as son, and the unknown man treats the unknown woman as mother. This is Vedic civilization. So we should be very careful. In our society, you are all Godbrothers, Godsisters. Or those who are married, they are like mothers. So you should be very careful. Then you will remain dhira, sober. That is brahminical qualification, brahminical culture. Not that "Because I have got facilities to intermingle with nice girls, so I shall take advantage and exploit them." Or the girls should take... No. Therefore our restriction: no illicit sex.

One has to become dhira. Then the question of God consciousness. Animals cannot have God consciousness. Therefore it is specially mentioned dhiranam. Vartma. The path which He showed, that is meant for the dhira, not for the adhira. Dhiranam. And it is so nice that sarvasrama-namaskrtam. All asramas will appreciate and offer obeisances. All asrama means brahmacari, grhastha, vanaprastha, and sannyasa. So dealing with woman... Especially instruction are given to men. All literatures, all Vedic literatures, they are especially meant for instruction to the men. Woman is to follow the husband. That's all. The husband will give instruction to the wife. There is no such thing as the girl should go to school to take brahmacari-asrama or go to spiritual master to take instruction. That is not Vedic system. Vedic system is a man is fully instructed, and woman, girl, must be married to a man. Even the man may have many wives, polygamy, still, every woman should be married. And she would get instruction from the husband. This is Vedic system. Woman is not allowed to go to school, college, or to the spiritual master. But husband and wife, they can be initiated. That is Vedic system.

So dhiranam vartma. Because people must be first of all gentle. Then talk of Krsna and God consciousness. If he is animal, what he can understand? This is Vedic system. Dhiranam. Dhira means must be gentle, perfectly gentle. Must address all woman as "mother." Matrvat para-daresu para-dravyesu lostravat. This is the training, that one should consider other's wife as mother, and others' money as like garbage in the street. Nobody cares for it. Similarly, one's other's money should not be touched. Even it is somebody has forgotten his purse, moneybag on the street, nobody will touch it. Let the man come back and take it. That is civilization. Para-dravyesu lostravat, atmavat sarva-bhutesu. And treating all other living entities as oneself. If somebody pinches me, I feel pain. Why shall I pinch other? If somebody cuts my throat, I become so sorry or so aggrieved. Why shall I cut the throat of other animals? This is civilization. This is Vedic civilization. And not that go on killing animals like anything and hunt upon the woman, topless woman, make business. This is not civilization. This is not human civilization.

Therefore it is called dhiranam. Those who are sober, for them. Those who are rascals, not for them. The brahmacari, grhastha, vanaprastha sarvasrama, asrama, this is meant for the gentle class, not for the rascals. First of all, training period as brahmacari. This brahmacari, he is taught. He is taught to address all women as "mother." The brahmacari goes to collect alms from door to door. Small boys. So how do they address? "Mother, kindly give us some alms." So immediately the household wife should come and give them. They will collect like that, for spiritual master. So if a boy is taught... Just like our these children are being taught chanting Hare Krsna. They are chanting. They cannot forget throughout life. Similarly, if a brahmacari is taught from childhood, from boyhood address all woman as "mother," he cannot see otherwise. "S(he) is my mother." I remember, it is an example. Long ago, say, in 1925, long ago, so we were in a cinema house. So my eldest son, as soon as he would see one woman in the picture, "Here is another mother! Here is another mother!" (laughter) he would cry. Because a small child, he does not know any woman except mother. He knows everyone as "my mother." So if we train from the childhood that "You should treat all woman as mother," then where is the question of anomalies? No. There is no question.

So one should be trained from the very beginning how to become gentle. From the very beginning if one is taught to become ungentle, uncontrolled of senses, how at the end he can become gentle? And if the people are not gentle, how you can expect peace and prosperity? Therefore we see in your country, every house: "Beware of dog. Don't come here." Because... What is that? Because they cannot trust anybody. Anybody.

So this is not advancement of civilization. If you want to know what is civilization, you have to learn here: dhiranam. In the Bhagavata the description is there. So actually, Vedic civilization is meant for the most gentle, highly advanced, not for the cats and dogs.

Thank you very much. (end)

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.3.13 -- Los Angeles, September 18, 1972