Peacock-plume Eyes

Peacock-plume Eyes

Srimad-Bhagavatam 2.3.22
Los Angeles, June 19, 1972

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Pradyumna: (leads chanting, etc.)

Prabhupada: That's all right. So,

barhayite te nayane naranam
lingani visnor na niriksato ye
padau nrnam tau druma-janma-bhajau
ksetrani nanuvrajato harer yau

Word meaning?

Pradyumna: (reads synonyms, then:) Translation: "The eyes which do not look at the symbolic representations of the Personality of Godhead, Visnu, His forms, name, quality, etc., are like those printed on the plumes of the peacock, and the legs which do not move to the holy places, where the Lord is remembered, are considered to be like tree trunks."

Prabhupada: So, the peacock plumes, they look like eyes, painted. But it has no power to see. Similarly, if we do not see the forms of the Lord, just like in this temple we are seeing, then these eyes are to be considered as painted eyes. Not real eyes. Simply just appearing like eyes. It has no use. The human form of life, the eyes are there, particular eyes, to see the forms of the Lord eye to eye. And because our present position is that with these material eyes we cannot see the Lord in His spiritual form, therefore the Lord has kindly appeared before us in a manner in which we can see Him. The forms of the Lord is not imagination. They say that they imagine some form. Sadhakanam hitvarthaya brahmano rupa-kalpanah. The Mayavadi philosophers, due to their poor fund of knowledge, they think that "The Absolute Truth is formless, but because we cannot meditate upon formless, something formless, let us imagine some form." Imagine. Nirvisesa-vadi, nirakara-vadi, they imagine forms.

Therefore, their philosophy, that "Any form you like, you can concentrate. Because after all, there is no form. But for your present facility, you can imagine some form." But there is also mistake on their part, because they say "Imagine any form." Generally, they prescribe the form of Lord Siva, the form of Lord Visnu, the form of Durga, the form of the sun, and the form of Ganesa. Pancopasana. These five forms. But ultimately, you become "form-less." The example given by them is that you rise up to a upper place with a wooden stair, and as soon as you reach there, you throw it away, so that you'll not be able to come back again. Similarly, their philosophy is: "With some imagination of form, you worship, and as soon as you realize Brahman, throw it away. No more." These are all imagination; actually there is no fact. They do not know the actual position of spiritual life; therefore they are personally misled, and they mislead others also. Here it is particularly mentioned, lingani visnoh, the form of Visnu, not of this rascal imagination of Durga, Kali, or Lord Siva.

So we are not concerned with the imagination form. They are also not imagination. Actually, everyone, all the demigods, they have got their forms. But the difference is Visnu, the form of Visnu, is eternal; and the forms of demigods or the form, our forms... Just like we have got now some form. They're not eternal -- temporary. We all sitting here, we have got different forms, but as soon as these forms will be changed, we shall accept another form -- this form's gone forever. It will never come again. But Visnu form, Lord Visnu's form, visnu-tattva. Visnu-tattva means the forms of the original Lord, Krsna. Krsna is the original form. Krsnas tu bhagavan svayam. But He expands in different forms. The original form is Krsna. Advaitam acyutam anadim ananta-rupam [Bs 5.33]. In the Brahma-samhita it is said, Krsna, advaita, one. There is no second, I mean to say, counterpart. But He expands. Advaitam acyutam. Acyuta. Acyuta means which does not fall down. Acyuta. Cyuta means "fall down." So God's another name is Acyuta, never falls down. Just like we living entities, we fall down. From spiritual world, we fall down. Because we have fallen down, therefore we have got this material body. But Krsna, or God, never falls down. Advaitam acyutam anadim ananta-rupam [Bs 5.33]. Ananta, endless. You cannot count how many forms are there of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. They have been compared with the incessant waves of the river. Just like, in the river you stand, on a flowing river, you will find the waves are day and night flowing, flowing, flowing, flowing.

Similarly, God, Krsna, from Him, ananta-koti, innumerable incarnations are coming out, coming out. Advaitam acyutam anadim ananta-rupam [Bs 5.33]. Then next question may be that "If all the forms are coming from Krsna, then Krsna also must have come from some other form." Because we see ... Suppose I have got hundred children, so I was also born by some father. No. Krsna is not like that.

Anadi. He is not emanation from anyone. He's original. Krsnas tu bhagavan svayam. All others are emanations from Krsna. Advaitam acyutam anadim ananta-rupam adyam [Bs 5.33]. He's the original. Adyam Purana, the oldest. Then why Krsna does not look like old man? Just like in some other religious sects they present God as very old man. But Krsna is, although the oldest... Because He's the origin of all emanations, He must be oldest, but He's nava-yauvanam ca, just like a young man, sixteen to twenty years old. That is Krsna. Yogesvara. Krsna, the oldest of all, still He appears nava-yauvana. Nava-yauvana, just youthful life is beginning. That is called nava-yauvana. So according to our human society, the youthful life begins at sixteen years. So Krsna is like that. He'll look always sixteen to twenty years old, not more than that. We have never seen Krsna has become old. Advaitam acyutam anadim ananta-rupam [Bs 5.33]. Lingani. Lingani means form. So Krsna has many forms.

As Krsna, as Visnu, as Narayana, as Baladeva, as Jagannatha. So many. Govinda. There are thousands and thousands of forms. So we must see at least one of such forms. Either you see Krsna form or Rama form or Visnu form or Narayana form or Baladeva form, or His incarnation, Nrsimhadeva form, Matsyavatara, Minavatara... So many. If we do not increase our anxiety or inclination to see one of the forms of Visnu... Here it is specifically mentioned, Visnu. Not others. Lingani visnor na niriksato ye. If we do not see, then our eyes are exactly like the painted eyes on the plumes of the feathers, or plumes of the peacock. It looks very nice, but it has no value. No, it has no seeing power. So our, these eyes are also painted, because it is material. These eyes will remain when I shall give up this body, but it will have no more seeing power. The seeing power is gone when the spirit soul gives up this body. So in spite of the beautiful eyes, it is unable to see. Similarly, so long we have got this instrument... This is an instrument to work. Mayaya... In the Bhagavad-gita  it is said,

isvarah sarva-bhutanam
hrd-dese 'rjuna tisthati
bhramayan sarva-bhutani
yantrarudhani mayaya
 [Bg. 18.61]

Isvarah the Supreme Lord, Krsna, is sitting within everyone's heart, and He's witness, anumanta-upadrasta. Upadrasta means He's seeing our activity. He's noting what I desire, because our desires are coming one after another, one after another. So according to our desire, Krsna is so kind, He gives you a body. Isvarah sarva-bhutanam hrd-dese 'rjuna tisthati [Bg. 18.61]. Isvara, the Supreme Lord, is sitting within the heart of everyone. So... And sarva-bhutanam hrd-dese 'rjuna tisthati bhramayan. And He's giving us chance to transmigrate to different types of bodies or species of bodies. He's noting down that "This soul is very much fond of fresh blood and raw meat. All right. You take the body of a tiger. Yes. This soul feels pleasure being naked. All right, you take the body of a tree. You stand up naked for ten thousand years.

Satisfy your desire for being naked for ten thousand years." Why two years, three years, or five years, ten years? Remain naked. Human body is meant for covering, not to become naked, but if anyone develops the idea of becoming nudie, naked, "All right, next life you get tree. Stand up." The example is there, Yamala-Arjuna, They wanted to be naked. Narada gave them opportunity, "All right, you remain naked as trees." So therefore, our business should be to go to the temple as it is prescribed here, padau nrnam tau druma-janma-bhajau. Those who are not moving, they're just like trees, they do not move. So, if we do not move to the places where Visnu's forms are there... Just like in India, we have got many places of pilgrimage. Just like Vrndavana. There are... A small city, about fifty thousand utmost population. But there are five thousand temples, big and small. Out of that, about one dozen temples are very, very big, just like fort. And there are small temples.

So altogether, it is a city of fifty thousand population, but there are five thousand temples, Krsna. All Radha-Krsna. So this is a chance, that "Come to Vrndavana, and wherever you go, you see Radha-Krsna. That will make your life successful." By seeing, seeing, Radha-Krsna, Radha-Krsna, seeing, seeing, you'll get an impression. And if you continue... The inhabitants of Vrndavana, you'll find if, when you go there, that in the morning and evening, all of them, they are going different temples and seeing the Deity Radha-Krsna. So there is no need of education, there is no need of philosophy, there is no need of science. Simply if you visit temples of Visnu, then your life is successful. This is the Krsna consciousness process. Simply if you move to the temple and see with your eyes; very simple process. Our, this Krsna consciousness program is so simple, at the same time sublime, that you become liberated at the end. Tyaktva deham punar janma naiti [Bg. 4.9]. If you simply think of Krsna in that way.

If you cannot read, then sit down and simply see the Deity's form. That will also give you. Anything, anything done. Little dancing, little, a little ringing the cymbals or singing Hare Krsna mantra... Anything you do. These children... Just like they are dancing. They are also being spiritual profited. It will never go in vain. Somehow or other he has shown some jubilation in front of the Lord, it is noted immediately. Therefore this verse is there, padau nrnam tau druma-janma-bhajau. If you do not move to the temples, then what is the difference between your legs and the trees which are standing without legs? They have legs, but they cannot move. Tree's another name is padapa. They drink water with their legs. Just like we drink water in our mouth... So it is not that all animals act in the same way. No. Just like there is a bird (which) is called bat. They pass stool through the mouth. You know? Yes. So there are different processes. The fishes in the water, they touch with the wings.

Their wings are so perfect that three miles off, another big fish is coming to eat them, they can understand by the wings. Immediately, they take protection. These are all described in the Bhagavata. You get so much perfect knowledge, scientific knowledge, of different species of life, how they are acting, how they are eating, how they are moving. All, everything is perfect there. Vidya bhagavatavadhi. If you study Srimad-Bhagavatam perfectly, then all your education is complete. You don't require any other book to read; you get from Srimad-Bhagavatam all material and spiritual knowledge, and at the end, Krsna. This is the profit. Ksetrani nanuvrajato harer yau. Ksetrani. Ksetra means pilgrimage. This temple is pilgrimage. It is not ordinary house; it is Vaikuntha. In the sastra it is said that to live in the forest is living in goodness. There are three qualities, you know -- goodness, passion, ignorance -- in this material world. So when you live in the forest, you live in goodness.

When you live in a city, in a town, then you live in passion. And when you live in a liquor shop, in a brothel or Bowery street, then it is living in ignorance. There are three kinds of living. Everything, three kinds. Sattva, rajas, tamas, goodness, passion ... But if you live in temple, you live in Vaikuntha. Above goodness. So all of you should be very careful that you may not fall down again from the Vaikuntha place. That should be your first business, that you have been given opportunity to live in Vaikuntha, but don't fall down again. Either you fall down on goodness, passion... That is material. They go to forest for meditation, but that is goodness, material goodness. But one who lives in temple, he's not concerned with material goodness, passion, or ignorance. He lives in Vaikuntha. In this age it is not possible. You can imagine that "Now I shall go to Himalaya and forest and practice meditation." They're all bogus; you cannot do that. That is not possible.

Because the age is different. We are not trained in that way. Formerly, the brahmacaris, they used to go to the forest, to the teacher, to the spiritual master, and they acclimatized with the atmosphere. But here, from the very beginning, in school, college, dormitories mixing freely, doing all nonsense. How it can go? That's not possible. That is not possible. Therefore, take advantage of this temple, the centers we are opening, and live in Vaikuntha. And the authorities of the temple should be so careful that it does not turn into something else besides temple. Then you are safe. The maya cannot touch you. What is this? Hm. Then? Read.

Pradyumna: "Especially for the householder-devotees, the path of Deity worship is strongly recommended. As far as possible, every householder, by the direction of the spiritual master, must install the Deity of Visnu, forms like Radha-Krsna, Laksmi-Narayana, or Sita-Rama especially, or any other form of the Lord, like Nrsimha, Varaha, Gaura-Nitai, Matsya, Kurma, salagrama-sila and many other forms of Visnu, like Trivikrama, Kesava, Acyuta, Vasudeva, Narayana, Damodara, etc., as they are recommended in the Vaisnava tantras or puranas, and one's family should worship strictly, following the directions and regulation of arcana-vidhi."

Prabhupada: Hm. Now, this is the important point. I understand that some of our householder devotees are ordering for Deities in India. But here is the point. The point is that they "worship strictly, following the direction and regulation of arcana-vidhi." Don't make a play. If you follow strictly the Deity worship method, then you establish; otherwise, don't establish. It will be offense. One who is able to manage... Just like we are showing the example, how to worship Deity in the temple. In the same way, if one can... The idea is, as here, our devotees are engaged in the worship of the Deity, similarly, a householder, when all the family members are trained up how to worship the Deity, then they can establish. Not that make a farce. Cleanliness, and the rules and regulation, that must be... That is the duty of every... Actually, the higher castes in India still, everyone -- brahmana, ksatriya, vaisya -- they must have Deity worship at home. Therefore, in the Bhagavad-gita it is said, sucinam srimatam gehe yoga-bhrasto 'bhijayate.

Anyone who is rich in India still, they have got Deity worship at home. Very nicely. A separate house, a small house attached to their big buildings, and there is Deity worship, and the all the members should go there, offer prayers. Just like we are doing, the similar, same thing there. In Kanpur there is one temple, Dvarakadhisa. The temple belongs to a very rich man, Singhania. The, all the members... It is order of the lady, the mother of Mr. Singhania, that "You all of you, you must visit the Deity..." Very rich men, always busy in business. But still, they have to come to the temple and offer respect, take caranamrta and prasadam. Then go to office. If one misses one day, then he will be fined. Still. The head man will be fined ten dollars, and the next man five dollars, like that, according to position. So if one day somebody misses, immediately the priest will go with the bill of fine: "Sir, you have to pay this fine." "Yes. You take immediately."

Still there are such rules and regulations. So Deity worship, it is the duty of all householders, Deity worship. That means automatically all the members become devotees. But it must be done according... there are sixty-four kinds of offenses. In The Nectar of Devotion you'll find. Deity worship... For chanting Hare Krsna mantra, there are ten kinds of offenses. But Deity worship, there are so many offenses. These are described. "You cannot sit down before the Deity like this, you cannot yawn before the Deity, you cannot talk nonsense before the Deity." So many things are there. So therefore it is said that "strictly following the direction and regulation of arcana-vidhi." So you are being trained up. In India they are trained up since centuries. Their culture is different. They automatically can adopt, immediately. They're trained up. You are not trained up as yet. You are being trained. So unless you are fully trained, don't establish Deity to make a farce. Better learn it perfectly in the temple, and when you think that the members of the household are also now as good as the devotees in the temple, then you must establish the Deity. That is required. Next.

Pradyumna: "Any member of the family who is above twelve years of age should be initiated by a bona fide spiritual master, and all the members of the household should be engaged in the daily service of the Lord, beginning from morning, 4 a.m., till night, 10 p.m. ..."

Prabhupada: Hm. This is Deity worship. Not that sleeping up to 9:00 and Deity worship. This is farce. That is not allowed. That will be offense. All the members must rise early in the morning, just we are doing in the temple. At 4 a.m. take bath, cleanse, and offer aratrika. That is the beginning of Deity worship. And all the members should be so trained up... Suppose one is absent for some business, the other members should take it. There will be so many assistants, but the Deity worship must go on very nicely. Then?

Pradyumna: by performing mangala-aratrika, niranjana, arcana, puja, kirtana, srngara, bhoga-vaikali, sandhya-aratrika, patha, bhoga (at night), sayana-aratrika, etc. Engagement in such worship of the Deity, under the direction of a bona fide spiritual master, will greatly help the householders to purify their very existence and make rapid progress in spiritual knowledge. Simple theoretical book knowledge is not sufficient for a neophyte devotee. Book knowledge is theoretical, whereas the arcana process is practical. Spiritual knowledge must be developed by a combination of theoretical and practical knowledge, and that is the guaranteed way for attainment of spiritual perfection. The training of devotional service for a neophyte devotee completely depends on the expert spiritual master who knows how to lead his disciple to make gradual progress towards the path back home, back to Godhead. One should not become a pseudo spiritual master as a matter of business to meet one's family expenditures; one must be an expert spiritual master to deliver the disciple from the clutches of impending death. Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura has defined the bona fide qualities of a spiritual master, and one of the verses in that description reads:

sri-vigraharadhana-nitya-nana-
srngara-tan-mandira-marjanadau
yuktasya bhaktams ca niyunjato 'pi
vande guroh sri-caranaravindam

Sri-vigraha is the arca, or suitable worshipable form of the Lord, and the disciple should be engaged in worshiping the Deity regularly by srngara, by proper decoration and dressing, as also by mandira-marjana, the matter of cleansing the temple. The spiritual master teaches the neophyte devotee all these kindly and personally to help him gradually in the realization of the transcendental name, quality, form, etc., of the Lord.

Only attention engaged in the service of the Lord, especially in dressing and decorating the temple, accompanied by musical kirtana and spiritual instructions from scriptures, can save the common man from the hellish cinema attractions and rubbish sex-songs broadcast everywhere by radios. If one is unable to maintain a temple at home, he should go to another's temple where all the above performances are regularly executed. Visiting the temple of a devotee and looking at the profusely decorated forms of the Lord well dressed in a well-decorated, sanctified temple naturally infuse the mundane mind with spiritual inspiration. People should visit holy places like Vrndavana where such temples and worship of the Deity are specifically maintained. Formerly all rich men like kings and rich merchants constructed such temples under the direction of expert devotees of the Lord, like the six Gosvamis, and it is the duty of the common man to take advantage of these temples and festivals observed in the holy places of pilgrimage by following in the footsteps of great devotees (anuvraja). One should not visit all these sanctified pilgrimage places and temples with sightseeing in mind, but one must go to such temples and sanctified places immortalized by the transcendental pastimes of the Lord and be guided by proper men who know the science. This is called anuvraja. Anu means to follow. It is therefore best to follow the instruction of the bona fide spiritual master, even in visiting temples and the holy places of pilgrimage. One who does not move in that way is as good as a standing tree condemned by the Lord not to move. The moving tendency of the human being is misused by visiting places for sightseeing. The best purpose of such traveling tendencies could be fulfilled by visiting the holy places established by great acaryas and thereby not being misled by the atheistic propaganda of moneymaking men who have no knowledge of spiritual matters.

Prabhupada: So you can keep (indistinct) (devotees offer obeisances -- end)

 

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Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.10.13
Mayapura, June 19, 1973


 

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Pradyumna: (leads chanting, etc.)

sarve te 'nimisair aksais
tam anu druta-cetasah
viksantah sneha-sambaddha
vicelus tatra tatra ha

"All their hearts were melting for Him on the pot of attraction. They looked at Him without blinking their eyes, and they moved hither and thither in perplexity."

Prabhupada: Read the purport also.

Pradyumna: Purport: "Krsna is naturally attractive for all living beings because He is the chief eternal amongst all eternals."

Prabhupada: Yes. Krsna, the very name, suggests attractive. Krsna means all-attractive. He has got, because He's complete, purna, so He has got all the attractive features, from material point of view, spiritual point of view. Therefore His name is Krsna. And He delivers the fallen souls from the miserable condition. He attracts and He delivers. Krsna. Therefore krsna means Param Brahman. Param brahman iti sabdyate. Rama also, the same thing, Param Brahman.

So Krsna is all-attractive, by opulence, by His power. Our definition of God is very simple. We do not define God as avyakta. Avyakta means "cannot be explained." If you cannot explain, then what you will understand? The Mayavadis, they say that God cannot be explained. In the Vedanta-sutra there is a sutra: na sabdyat. I, I forget the... "God is explainable." Because in the Vedas there are mantras. Sa aiksata, sa asrjata. He glanced over the material nature. He created. Sa aiksata. So these things are explainable. So we don't see that the Absolute Truth is not explicable. It is explicable. We have got our explanation. Purna. Purna means complete. Nityo nityanam cetanas cetananam. He's also a living entity like us. (yelling in background) (aside:) Ask the rascals to stop talking. But He's purna. That is the difference. We are not purna. We are defective. Especially when we come in the material world, we are defective in so many respects. By nature, we are defective. Or not purna, incomplete, subordinate. He's therefore called the nityo nityanam cetanas cetananam. He's complete, the chief all living entities.

So how do we explain it? It is very simple thing. Suppose I am here, and you are here. So you may be better than me. Nobody is equal. You don't find. We don't find. In every respect, two bodies equal, you won't find. In bodily features, in qualities, in action, in thinking, in feeling. All you'll find varieties. Var... That is... Variety is enjoyment. If I agree with you in every respect, then where is varieties? Just like if you are given a nice dish of foodstuff. Somebody says, "Give me this one." Another says, "Give me this one." So variety of taste. Although all sweetmeats are made of the same ingredients, sugar and yogurt or curd, but somebody says, "Give me this rasagulla," somebody, "The sandesa..." Somebody says, "Give me panthva(?)." They're made of the same ingredient, but it is different taste.

So you cannot neglect these varieties of taste. That is enjoyment. Anandamayo 'bhyasat. We are all anandamaya, joyful. Therefore there must be varieties. Without varieties, there is no joy. Simply hackneyed, one thing, "Brahman, Brahman, Brahman," nobody likes it. They keep with "Brahman, Brahman," they fall down or they again come to the explanation of this Bhagavatam. I have seen so many Mayavadi sannyasis. By "Brahman, Brahman," they could not attract audience. Then come to Bhagavata reading and explains in nonsense way all the Bhagavata, Mayavadi. But they come to... Because Bhagavata is full of varieties. But they explain in their own way. I have seen one big Mayavadi sannyasi, explaining Bhagavata that "God became pleased..." in some stanza. "So if you become pleased, then God becomes pleased." This was his explanation. If I am pleased by drinking wine, then God is also pleased? This is his explanation. Yes. I'm a grand debauch. By debauchery I am pleased. So God is also pleased by my debauchery. Because God and I, the same. This is their explanation.

So it is very difficult. Therefore Caitanya Mahaprabhu has given one line of Vaisnava behavior: asat-sanga tyaga ei vaisnava acara. Simply to give up these rascals' association. The rascal means the Mayavadi, karmi, jnani, yogi, all they are rascals. It is our open declaration. So we have to give up the company of these rascals. If we actually serious about advancing in Krsna consciousness, we should not mix with them. We should not even invite them. Neither we shall take their foodstuff, accept their foodstuff. Dadati pratigrhnati bhunkte bhojayate ca... Guhyam akhyati prcchati ca. Bhunkte bhojayate caiva sad-vidham priti-laksanam. Priti. If you want to make one friends, then these six kinds of dealings must be there. Dadati. Dadati means there must be... One must give something to the other, a friend. Just like I am friend. You are friend. I give you something. In return you give me something. Dadati pratigrhnati. Guhyam akhyati prcchati ca. I open my mind to you, you also inquire confidential things from me. Or I inquire. Guhyam akhyati prcchati ca. And then bhunkte bhojayate. Whatever you give me, I eat. And I give you, you eat. By these six kinds of dealing, priti, love increases.

So in our Krsna consciousness movement, we practice this. As far as possible, we are giving and taking. We are... We have made this program, life membership. We are giving our books, knowledge. Whatever we have got, little knowledge, we have written in our books, we are giving them: "Take it." And they are also giving: "Take this eleven hundred rupees." So this is dadati pratigrhnati. And they also come here to inquire: "Swamiji, your movement is very nice. What is the meaning of this? What is the meaning of that?" Guhyam akhyati, expresses their mind. Prcchati. They explain, "This is my position. I cannot do it. How can I do it?" And the Vaisnavas reply them. Then we invite them in our love feast. In all our centers, we have got this arrangement. We invite everyone: "Come on, take prasadam." And if somebody gives us something to eat, we also eat, provided he's not a Mayavadi, karmi, jnani. Otherwise, we should not take. We can..., we cannot accept anything from these classes of men, atheist class. Then we'll be... Sangat. Sangat sanjayate kamah. If we associate with these Mayavadi, atheist class, karmi, jnani, yogi, then we'll infect their quality. So if we infect the Mayavadi quality, karmi quality, jnani quality, yogi quality... I see some of the students, still they practice some yoga asana. That quality is not yet... He's not yet free. But this is nonsense. This is nonsense. We should, by promise, we should not associate with any of their qualities. That is...

asat-sanga-tyaga -- ei vaisnava-acara
stri-sangi -- eka asadhu krsnabhakta ara

 Asat. Asat means bad element, bad association. So asat-sanga. We have to give up asat.

"So who is asat, Sir?" Caitanya Mahaprabhu's speaking: asat-sanga-tyaga ei vaisnava-acara. Vaisnava's behavior, Vaisnava's character should be simply to give up the company of the asat. Now there are so many nice people, gentlemen. So if we give up, if we say everyone is asat... So we must know. The Caitanya Mahaprabhu next line gives: "Yes, asat eka stri-sangi." Eka stri-sangi. One asat is stri-sangi. Stri-sangi means too much attached to women. Or attached to women. Or attached to women. Too much or little -- it doesn't matter. Attached to women. He's asat. And krsna-abhakta -- and who is not a devotee of Krsna. So these Mayavadis, karmi, jnani, yogi, they are not krsna-bhaktas. They'll say, "Krsna is not God. I am God. I am also God. Krsna is not God. I am God. But Krsna is not God." This is their version. Therefore they're rascals. "I am God." They'll declare, "I am God. You are God." But Krsna is not God. Except Krsna, everyone is God." This is their version.

So how much rascal they are we must know. So therefore we should give up their company. Asat-sanga-tyaga vaisnava-acara. Otherwise, asat... Asat eka stri-sangi krsna... There are stri-sanga, vaidha-avaidha. Vaidha means regular, according to sastra. According to sastra means restricted. Sastra restricts. Sastra means sas-dhatu. Sas-dhatu means sasana, ruling. From sas-dhatu, sastra has come, sastra, weapon, has come. And sas-dhatu, from sas-dhatu, sisya also comes. These words are derived from sas-dhatu. Sastra, sastra, sasana. Sasana means ruling. Sanskrit is very nice language. From one verbal root, you can manufacture so many words; therefore it is very difficult to make Sanskrit dictionary. It is very difficult. The so-called Sanskrit dictionaries available in the market, you won't find all the words. It is not possible. Because so many words are manufactured by one dhatu. How many they will add? But there is one book, what is the name of that book? Meaning, this word means this, this, this, that...?

Devotee: Thesaurus.

Prabhupada: Eh?

Devotee: Thesaurus.

Devotee: Synonyms and antonyms.

Prabhupada: What is that? Name?

Devotee: It's a...?

Devotee: Thesaurus.

Devotee: Thesaurus.

Prabhupada: Disorder?

Bhavananda: Thesaurus. Thesaurus.

Prabhupada: Oh. The Sanskrit name or Persian name?

Bhavananda: No, that is the name for the book. Any book which gives so many different words, word meanings for one word, is called thesaurus.

Prabhupada: So this sastra, sastra-vidhi. Sastra-vidhi. Loke vyavayamisa-madya-seva nitya hi jantoh. Nitya hi. Na hi tatra codana. One does not require encouragement. One is not taught in the school how to learn sexual intercourse. No. These things are already there. Nitya, nitya hi jantoh. Every living entity has got these propensities: intoxication, sex intercourse. Vyavaya amisa. Amisa: meat-eating, fish eating. They're there already. One does not require to be educated, how to eat meat, how to drink, how to use sexual intercourse. No. It is already there. Nitya hi... Na hi tatra codana. There is no need of encouragement. Then why the sastra's ordering that "You eat meat in this way. You drink in this way. You have sexual intercourse in this way"? What is the purpose? The purpose is to restrict him. Because by natural propensity he'll have... Just like in Western countries there is no marriage practically. But they have sexual intercourse. They think, "Sex is there, available. Why we should bound ourselves by marriage tie?" They think like that. So why the marriage is there? Just to restrict. Without marriage, the man and woman will be open to so many other men and women. Therefore it is to restrict. One man, one woman. Otherwise, if you associate with so many men and so many women, this is animalism. So in order to check him from the animal life, sex intercourse, the marriage is there. This is the purpose. Therefore sastra. Sastra means simply restrict. One who is accustomed to restriction, he's perfect. Not indulgence. The animals are not restricted. But nowadays, better animal is restricted. They have got a time for sexual intercourse. But these, these animals, the four-, two-legged, two-hands animal, they have no restriction. Any time. Less than animal. Therefore sastra is there.

So vaidha. Vaidha means what is sanctioned by the sastra. That is vaidha stri-sanga. Yes. One may have association with the women... There must be association with women. By God's creation, there is man, woman. They're meant for being united. So therefore in the Bhagavad-gita it is said that dharmaviruddho kamah aham. "When sex intercourse is there according to the sastra, that is I am. That is I am." Dharmaviruddhah. So there are rules and regulations, how to have sex life. So... There are two kinds of association with women, vaidha and avaidha. Vaidha means according to sastra, and avaidha means without any restriction, without any restriction of the sastra. So asat, eka stri-sangi. Caitanya Mahaprabhu has said. And the sahajiyas, rascals, they interpret: asat eka stri-sangi. One who has got only one wife, he's asat. One must have many wives. The sahajiyas, you know. They keep so many women, like monkeys, in their company. You see, they have interpreted in this way. Asat eka stri-sangi.

So we, we, sastra restricts, but rascals, they interpret in a different way, and they enjoy. The real purpose comes... Just like what is that sannyasi in Australia who wrote against... What is the name?

Devotee: (indistinct)

Prabhupada: Where is Pradyumna? What is the name of that rascal sannyasi? In Australia?

Devotee: Aghananda. Aghananda.

Prabhupada: Oh, Austria, Austria.

Devotee: Aghananda. Aghananda.

Devotee (2): No. Aghananda Bharata.

Prabhupada: Eh?

Pradyumna: Aghehananda Bharata.

Prabhupada: Agyanananda? No?

Pradyumna: Aghehananda

Prabhupada: Aghehananda. That rascal says that "This, this is our ultimate goal: unrestricted, eating meat and sex." Is it not? Did he not say like that?

Devotee (3): No, I think that's Rajneesh Acarya.

Prabhupada: Eh?

Devotee (3): Rajneesh Acarya says that one should have unrestricted sex life.

Prabhupada: So there are so many rascals. Therefore...

Indian: Shakespeare writes in his books that marriage is nothing but legal prostitution.

Prabhupada: Yes. So that is their interpretation. Marriage, Vedic sastra enjoins marriage, and it is for prostitution. Just see the interpretation. All the great rsis, they recommended: "Yes, you can go on, prostitution, with your prostitution, under the sanction of the sastra." No, it is not that. The real purpose is to restrict. Just like meat-eating. Meat-eating is recommended in Vedic literature. There is kali-puja. Kali-puja. By sacrificing one goat before Goddess Kali. Goddess Kali's worshiped on the amavasya. Amavasya takes place once in a month. Therefore these rascals who are meat-eaters, they'll be restricted. If they accept the sastra, "No, no, if we eat meat from the butcher's place, then we shall be sinful. Let us eat meat..." Just like in Calcutta you'll find so many butchers, they have kept one Goddess Kali deity so that people will think now it is not sinful. Here the mamsa, the meat is not..., it is sanctified. Hindu-brahmana-kati(?). So these things are going on. Actually, it is restriction. And even when there is bali, the sacrifice is given, the mantra means, the mantra says that "This man is killing you. You'll get next life a human being. But you have the opportunity, option, to kill him." This is the mantra. Now, if somebody's responsible, he'll certainly think that "I am going to be killed by this goat again?" Mamsa khadati. Mam: "He will eat me." That is mamsa. So no responsible man will take that responsibility, that "I will kill this animal. Again he'll become a man and he'll kill me. No, no. Stop this business."

So this is the process of restriction. Similarly those who are drunkards, for them is recommended by offering liquor to Candi, they can drink. Similarly, marriage is also like that. It is restriction. It is not prostitution. It is restriction. Pravrttir esa bhutanam nivrttis tu maha-phala. This is natural tendency. If you want, if one can stop it, that is called tapasya. And human life becomes perfect by tapasya.

tapasa brahmacaryena
samena ca damena ca
tyagena satya-saucabhyam
yamena niyamena va
 [SB 6.1.13]

This is human life. Not like animals, unrestricted. Animals are also restricted. So vaidha-avaidha. So Caitanya Mahaprabhu has strongly restricted that: "Don't associate with these rascals. Asat." Asat means those who are interested in material affairs. Asato ma sad gama. The Vedic injunction. That is Vedic injunction: sad gama. Just try to make progress towards sat. Om tat sat. Don't be interested in asat. Asato ma sad gama. Jyotir gama. So these are the Vedic injunctions.

So because these Pandavas and their families were all sat by association of Krsna, therefore they were all perplexed within their mind, that "Krsna is going back to His home. How we shall live? How we can give up Krsna?" Those who are actually devotee of Krsna, they cannot give up Krsna at any risk. Just like Prahlada Maharaja, and the Haridasa Thakura in this Navadvipa area. He was a Muhammadan. He took to krsna-nama. The kazi called him, "You are Muhammadan. Why you are taking this krsna-nama?" "What is the fault, sir? There are many Hindus. They also become Muslim. So I like this." So he was punished. But he did not give up. He did not give up. One cannot give up. Prahlada Maharaja could not give up.

So that is explained, that sat-sangan mukta-duhsangah. As soon as one associates with Krsna's name, he associates with Krsna. Therefore asat, maya, cannot touch him. If he's purely chanting without any offense, maya cannot touch him. Ceto-darpana-marjanam bhava-maha-davagni-nir... [Cc. Antya 20.12]. And as soon as maya cannot touch him, then bhava-maha-davagni-nirvapanam. The blazing fire of material existence extinguished immediately. This is the first gain by chanting Hare Krsna maha-mantra offenselessly, the first gain is mukti. Bhava-maha-davagni-nirvapanam means mukti. By chanting Hare Krsna mantra, namabhasa, not pure name. As soon as one comes to the platform of chanting pure Hare Krsna mantra, without any offense, he becomes immediately enhanced in love with Krsna, prema, krsna-prema. Just like Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Caitanya Mahaprabhu was chanting as acarya. He was crying. Tava nama-grahane bhavisyati. Sunyayitam jagat sarvam govinda-virahena me. So what is that verse? Caks..., caksusa pravrsayitam. Caksusa pravrsayitam. Tava nama, kada tava nama-grahane bhavisyati. This is the ultimate, ultimate realization of chanting Hare Krsna maha-mantra, that one should cry. Caitanya Mahaprabhu has said like that. So Krsna and Krsna's name, identical.

These Pandavas were so purified by association of Krsna. So they were thinking, "How we shall live? If Krsna goes away to Dvaraka, then how we can live?" In this way, they could not make any solution. They were loitering here and there. Just like when you are disturbed in mind, you loiter, "What to do, what to do, what to do?" So they were doing that.

Thank you very much. Hare Krsna. Now begin. (end)

 

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.10.13 -- Mayapura, June 26, 1973

"When People Become Demons"

Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.10.4
Mayapura, June 19, 1973

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Devotee: (leads chanting, etc.)

kamam vavarsa parjanyah
sarva-kama-dugha mahi
sisicuh sma vrajan gavah
payasodhasvatir muda
[SB 1.10.4]

"During the reign of Maharaja Yudhisthira, the clouds showered all the water that people needed, and the earth produced all the necessities of man in profusion. Due to its fatty milk bag and cheerful attitude, the cow used to moisten the grazing ground with milk."

Prabhupada: So due to good king, in... There is a maxim in Bengali: rajera dose raja nasta, rajya nasta, grhini dose grhastha nasta(?). This is very important instruction. If the king of the state is an impious man, sinful man, that kingdom will never be happy. Nasta. Everything is spoiled. As much as in a family, if the housewife is not good, contaminated, then there is no good life in the family. In Western countries especially, and in this country also, nowadays, there is no peace between husband and wife, and there is no, practically, no family life. In Western countries there is divorce. Here also the divorce law is introduced. And no family is happy. Grhini dose grhastha nasta. So king must be very pious.

So Maharaja Yudhisthira... We have studied a few verses about Maharaja... So the beginning is dharmena. Here it is:

pitra canumato raja
vasudevanumoditah
cakara rajyam dharmena
pitr-paitamaham vibhuh

So he was Dharmaraja Yudhisthira. He was ruling dharmena. Dharmena means just according to the desire of the Supreme Lord. This is dharma. Dharmam. Dharmam tu saksad bhagavat-pranitam [SB 6.3.19]. Dharmena means, religious principle means to act according to the order of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. This is religious principle. It is not that you manufacture some dharma: "We are Hindus," "We are Muslims," "We are Christians." These are not dharmas. Nobody cares for God. Nobody carries out the order of God. Nobody knows what is God. Nobody knows what is relationship with God. So where is dharma? The, all bogus. Therefore Bhagavata says: dharmah projjhita-kaitavo 'tra [SB 1.1.2]. This so-called cheating type of religious system is kicked out in Bhagavatam. Real dharma. What is that real dharma? Param satyam dhimahi. Namo bhagavate vasudevaya. This is dharma. Namo bhagavate vasu... Beginning. Om namo bhagavate vasudevaya. Vasudeva, Krsna, Vyasadeva is offering respect. Why? Now satyam param dhimahi. He is the Supreme Truth. What is that Supreme Truth? Janmady asya yatah [SB 1.1.1]. That Supreme Truth from whom everything emanates. And this is confirmed in the Bhagavatam, uh, Bhagavad-gita: mattah sarvam pravartate. Aham sarvasya prabhavah. This is confirmed. The Vedanta-sutra gives hint that the Absolute Truth, Brahman, is that which is the original source of all emanations. That is Absolute Truth. Athato brahma jijnasa. What is Brahman? Brahman means the original source of everything. So this is the Vedanta-sutra. And Krsna says:

aham sarvasya prabhavo
mattah sarvam pravartate
iti matva bhajante mam
budha bhava-samanvitah
[Bg. 10.8]

So when one becomes budha... Budha means well aware of everything. Then he understands Krsna is the source of everything. He's the Supreme. So... And dharma, as it is stated in the Srimad-Bhagavatam, in reference with the Ajamila-moksana, that Yamaraja said: dharmam tu saksad bhagavat-pranitam [SB 6.3.19]. Nobody can manufacture dharma.

So here Yudhisthira Maharaja ruled over this planet, Bharatavarsa, dharmena. Here it is said, cakara rajyam dharmena. Exactly... And here also it is confirmed, that bhismoktam acyutoktam. Nisamya bhismoktam atha acyutoktam. So if such kind of king is there, then everything is all right. Everything. And establishing such pious king... Here it is stated, yudhisthiram prita-mana babhuva, isvara, isvara, nivesayitva nija-rajya isvaro yudhisthiram prita-mana babhuva. And Krsna, why He took part in the Battlefield of Kuruksetra? He wanted that these rascals should be removed, the Duryodhana and company. And Yudhisthira must be there. Therefore He personally supervised the warfare. He took the reigns of Arjuna's chariot to give him direction: "Kill all these demons. Even Bhisma. Even Dronacarya. Kill all of them, because they have taken side of the wrong side. Kill them." That is Krsna's order. "Although Bhisma is respectful, respectable, Dronacarya's respectable, your guru, your grandfather, and such great personality, certainly they are respectable. But because they have taken side of the wrong side, they must be killed. They must be." This is the instruction.

So dharma is so strong. Dharma means to abide by the order of Krsna. That is dharma. If we remain faithful to Krsna, and what Krsna says, if we do that, that is perfect dharma. Sa vai pumsam paro dharmo yato bhaktir adhoksaje [SB 1.2.6]. That is first-class religious system. We do not decry any system of religion. We do not say that Hindu religion is better than Christian religion. In what way Hindu religion is better than Christian religion? The followers of so-called Christian religion, they're also set of nonsense, and so are the Hindus. Why we should give preference to one class of rascals and fools than the other class of rascals and fools? We have no such idea, "The Hindus are greater than the Muslims or the Christians," or "The Muslims or the Christians..." We do not con... We want to see, test how much he's devotee of God, how much he has developed his God consciousness. Then we accept that he is, here is dharma. That is the test. Sa vai pumsam paro dharmo yato bhaktir adhoksaje [SB 1.2.6].

I told you sometimes, I think, in New York Airport. So seeing us, the sadhus, one young man came to me. So introduced himself, "Sir, I am Christian. I faithfully discharge my religious principles." So I, I told him, "No, no. You do not faithfully discharge your religion." So he was surprised that without talking with him, immediately I charged that "You don't follow your Christian religion." "No, why do you say like that?" "Do you eat meat?" "Yes, sir." "Then you are not a Christian. You are not a Christian. Because in the Christian religion the first commandment is ‘Thou shalt not kill.' So you are encouraging killing. How you are a Christian? You are not a Christian." The actually everyone is very proud of becoming Christian, Hindu, Muslim, but nobody is following. Nobody's following. All bogus.

Because if they would have followed... We don't say follow this religion, that religion. If actually they would have followed, then the symptom would have been they had become devotee of God, lover of God. And as soon as he becomes lover of God, he becomes fully qualified with all good qualifications. Yasyasti bhaktir bhagavaty akincana sarvair gunais tatra samasate surah. This is the test. He hasn't got to be trained up how to become honest, how to become clean, how to become this, how to become that. If he becomes a lover of God, Krsna, then all the good qualities automatically reveal. Just like when you are out of diseased condition, all your healthy symptoms are revealed, manifest. It doesn't require to bring them separately, to bring them separately. It is already there. Because every living entity is part and parcel of God, Krsna, he has got all the good qualities of Krsna, very minute quantity. The Gosvamis have analyzed: seventy-eight percent. Not in full, but in minute quantity. It is not joke. Seventy-eight percent of the qualities of Krsna is there in living entity. And Krsna means all-good; they're all good qualities.

So actually when one becomes a devotee, he is qualitatively one with Krsna. Because one cannot become devotee without acquiring the Krsna qualities. You cannot go into the fire without being fire. Without being Brahman, you cannot approach Brahman. Just like if you want to be secretary of a very big man, so you must have necessary qualification. Not that any, any man can become secretary of a big man. So when one becomes devotee, it is the statement of sastra: yasyasti bhaktir bhagavaty akincana... Akincana-bhakti. Akincana-bhakti means without any motive. That is akincana-bhakti. "I'll become devotee because I'll get this opportunity to exploit Krsna." That is not devotion. When one shall be ready to be exploited by Krsna, then he's a devotee. Not that with a motive, that "I shall become a devotee and exploit Krsna and Krsna consciousness movement and aggravate my position as sense gratifier." No, that is not devotion.

anyabhilasita-sunyam
jnana-karmady-anavrtam
anukulyena krsnanu-
silanam bhaktir uttama
[BRS 1.1.11]

That is uttama-bhakti. And that, when one attains that uttama-bhakti, then he's first-class follower of religion. Sa vai pumsam paro dharmo yato bhaktir a... [SB 1.2.6]. It doesn't matter whether you are Christian or Muhammadan or Hindu; we want to see whether you are lover of God, you are a devotee of God, you can sacrifice everything for God. Then you are religious. Otherwise, I..., there is no question of religion.

So Yudhisthira Maharaja was that type of religious man, dharmena. And as soon as you become, then ajitasraya. Your shelter becomes under the lotus feet of Krsna. It is not story. Krsna says, aham tvam sarva-papebhyo moksayisyami ma sucah. It is not story. Krsna says, confirms: "You just become My devotee, and I'll give you all protection." Kaunteya pratijanihi na me bhaktah pranasyati. So many assurances. "Immediately I give you protection." Aham tvam sarva-papebhyo mo... If I am released from all reaction of my sinful activities, then where is my difficulty? Difficulty's there so mo..., so long one is sinful. We suffer the reaction of sinful activities. But if there is no sin, I become purified, then where is suffering? There is no question of suffering.

So the king, being the head, naradeva... Therefore king's another name is naradeva. He's God. King is considered as God, representative of God. Caitanya Mahaprabhu, yes, Sanatana Gosvami. Sanatana Gosvami gave certificate to Nawab Hussain Shah that "You are representative of Krsna." When Nawab Hussain Shah was inquiring about Caitanya Mahaprabhu, that "This person is not ordinary person. We are kings. Sometimes when we give in charity so many men flock around us. But here is a person, wherever He's going, thousands of men are following Him. So He's not ordinary person." After all, he's a king. He has got intelligence. Even from diplomatic point of view, he can understand. So he inquired from his minister, Sanatana Gosvami, "So who is this person?" So Sanatana Gosvami replied that "Whom you accept as (indistinct), the profit is His. It is your fortune that during your reign, He has taken birth in Bengal. You are governor, you are the king of Bengal. And why you are asking me? You are king. You are representative of Krsna. You ask your mind and you'll understand what He is." He gave the certificate immediately. Not that "Oh, you are Muhammadan. What you can know?" No. Muhammadan, Hindu, doesn't matter. If one is king he must be blessed by Krsna. He has been given the opportunity to become... And if the king also remembers that "I am representative of God. God has given me this post to rule over this country, to make them dharmic, to follow, to understand Krsna consciousness, then that is my duty, first duty," then everything is all right.

The rascal, so-called kings, they think that "It is my property. Let me tax the people to the extreme and take the money and enjoy in drinking and enjoying women." Therefore the monarchy's finished. But what is the benefit by finishing this monarchy? The democracy, that is another set of rascals. There was one rascal. Now hundreds of rascals. That is the benefit. Hundreds of rascals, they go and form the democratic government, minister. There is dacoitry. There is rising of the rogues and thieves, and they're enjoying fat salary. So at the present moment we are in a very precarious condition so far the government is concerned. People may say that I am speaking against government, but I am just comparing the government of Maharaja Yudhisthira and the present. If, if... I am not doing anything in my imagination... These are the things. Actually that is the thing. And if the king is right, if the king is dharmic, proper representative of God, then supply, there is no limit of supply. Take.

We have got experience. In sometimes we find in this mango season profuse mango. People cannot end it by eating. And sometimes there is no mango. Why? The supply is in the hand of Krsna through His agent, the material nature, this earth. The earth can produce profusely if people are honest, God conscious. There cannot be any scarcity. Therefore it is said that kamam vavarsa parjanyah [SB 1.10.4]. God gives. Eko yo bahunam vidadhati kaman. Nityo nityanam cetanas cetananam. So God, Krsna, fulfills all our desires. Now in Bengal we are seeing some rains. In other parts of India, there is no rain. Last time I had been Hyderabad, Ahmedabad, all dry. People are... In Bombay also. People are very much unhappy. There is famine, declaration of famine. So if there is no parjanya, rains, then everything finished. Your so much, so many schemes, ten-years plan, five-years plan and so many plans, they will all dry up. The rascals, they do not know. And how parjanya becomes possible? Yajnad bhavati parjanyo parjanyad anna-sambhavah. You perform yajna. There will be parjanya. The rain falling is not in your hand. You may be great scientist and calculate so much hydrogen and so much oxygen, mixed up, there is water. Now mix up and bring water where there is no rain.

So these so-called scientists, philoso..., all of them are rascals. We should take instruction from sastra. Krsna says: parjanyad anna-sambhavah. Yajnad bhavati parjanyah [Bg. 3.14]. If you perform yajna... Yajna-sistasinah santo mucyante sarva-kilbisaih. We have to perform yajna. Yajna means to satisfy Visnu. That is yajna. Visnu, the Supreme Lord's another name is Yajna-pati. So yajnarthe karmanah anyatra loko 'yam karma-bandhanah [Bg. 3.9]. Therefore everything should be done for yajnarthe, for satisfying Visnu. But na te viduh svartha-gatim hi visnum [SB 7.5.31]. These rascals, they do not know that their real interest is to satisfy Visnu, not his sense. These rascals, they do not know it. They think, "Some way or other, if I can satisfy my senses, then my life is perfect." But you cannot satisfy your senses without satisfying the Lord's sense. If there is no water, no grain, no food, how you can satisfy your senses, rascal? So if you satisfy the senses of the Lord, then your senses will be satisfied automatically. Tasmin tuste jagat tusta. But if you neglect to satisfy the senses of the Lord, and if you want to satisfy your senses, that will not be done.

So Maharaja Yudhisthira was always prepared to satisfy Krsna. He was sorry that so many people were killed in the battle, but he was happy: "Krsna wanted. Krsna is satisfied, that's all right. That's all right. Never mind, so many people have been killed." But personally he was not happy, but Krsna was satisfied. Krsna wanted. Paritranaya sadhunam vinasaya ca duskrtam [Bg. 4.8]. So He has finished all the duskrtam. But finishing duskrtam, everyone got svarupa. They were all liberated. Therefore, Krsna is all-good. Either He delivers the devotees and kills the nondevotees, the action, resultant action is the same -- both of them become liberated. Svarupa. That is also stated. Everyone... Because died seeing Krsna in presence in the battlefield. Either this party or that party, it doesn't matter. Everyone died seeing Krsna. so they were all liberated. It is not an ordinary thing, that in the presence of... We have to remember Krsna at the time of death. But Krsna is so kind, in the Battlefield of Kuruksetra, He's personally present. Anyone is dying, he's seeing Krsna. So what is the question of liberation? Everyone is liberated.

So kamam parjanyah, kamam vavarsa parjanyah [SB 1.10.4]. Whatever you get, all the necessities of your life will be available if there is sufficient rain. Because after all, the earth produces... This is the system. There is rainfall, proper rainfall, and the earth produces. Not only food grains. Also jewels also, produced. Those who are astronomers, they know. Under certain constellation of the star, if the rain falls on the head of a snake, there is jewel. If the rain falls on the head of an elephant, there is jewel. Then in the sea also, the pearls, they are produced. It is all due to rains. So kamam vavarsa. Kamam vavarsa. We require so many things. Krsna is prepared also to supply. Nature is there. But even Krsna wants to supply, if you do not become devotee, nature will restrict, "No." That is the proof. When there was less supply... The Maharaja Prthu wanted to kill Prthivi. She explained that "Why you are after me? It is my duty. Now there are only demons. I don't want to give food to the demons. I want to give foodstuff to the devotees." She said. So nature's restriction of supply will be there when people become demons, nondevotees. When people become demons, then nature will stop supply. There will be famine, pestilence. This is the way.

So during the time of Maharaja Yudhisthira, they were not demons. Maharaja Yudhisthira..., Maharaja Pariksit... Maharaja Pariksit, when he wanted to kill Kali, he gave him two chances, that "Either you get out of my kingdom, or I shall kill you." So Kali said, "My lord, I am also your subject. My activities are very heinous. That is my nature. I am meant for that purpose. But I am also your subject. So why you want to drive me away? You give me some place where I shall go if you don't like me." Then he gave him place: yatra papas catur-vidha, striyah sunah pana dyuta yatra papas... "Where there are four principles of sinful activities, namely, illicit sex, intoxication, meat-eating and gambling, you can go there." So Kali could not find a single place where these things are going on. That is the during the reign of Maharaja Pariksit. So he became very much distressed. Therefore, under his plan, he also wanted to drive away Maharaja Pariksit so that he can advance his activities, Kali's activities.

So one brahmana boy cursed him, influenced. The boy was influenced by Kali. His father repented, "Oh, you rascal boy, what you have done?" One side, that a boy, born of a brahmana, only twelve years old, he could curse even a big king like Maharaja Pariksit, and that is invocable. It cannot be nullified. Of course, Maharaja Pariksit could nullify, but he accepted. So even a brahmana boy could curse. But this was wrong. His father repented later on, "What you have done, childish? Such a king." So as soon as Maharaja Pariksit was moved from the scene, the Kali-yuga began in full force. Therefore sometimes it is said that the brahmanas are responsible for introducing Kali-yuga. So that is not actually fact. In due course of time, everything will happen.

So Maharaja Yudhisthira was so pious that during his reign time, kamam vavarsa parjanyah [SB 1.10.4]. There was regular rainfall and everything was produced nicely. Sarva-kama-dugha mahi. Sarva-kama. The, another side is that you don't require industries, trade. You don't require. If you have got land and cow, then everything is complete. This is basic principle of Vedic civilization. Have some land. Have some cows. Dhanyena dhanavan gavayah dhanavan. Not industry. There is no need of industry. Because you want some food, nice food, nice milk, nice fruit, that will be produced by nature. You cannot manufacture all these things in the factory. So therefore the..., at the present moment, the big, big factories, they are the activities of the asuras, ugra-karma. All the people are dragged in the city, industrial area, to engage them in the produce of iron bars, big, big iron bars, Tartiron(?) iron industry, and so many other industry. Capitalists, they have drawn all the innocent people from the village. And they think that "We are getting fat salary." But what is the use of fat salary? One side you get fat salary; another side you have to purchase three rupees a kilo rice. Finish your salary. This is going on. Let them produce their own food. Let him have some land. Let him produce his own food. Let there be cows. Let cows become happy.

Now here is very important word, that payasodhasvatir muda, udhasvatir muda. They were very jolly because they can understand whether they are going to be killed or not. Because they have got, they're animal, they have got sense. I have seen in your country, almost all cows are crying, crying. Because in the beginning, all the calves are taken away and slaughtered in their presence. Perhaps you know. So what is the position of the cow? I have seen when we purchase cows, the calves are already taken away. The cow was crying, regular tears were gliding down. So they can understand that... Who cannot understand? Suppose if you are taken in the concentrated camp? Just like the Germans did. What is the meaning of concentrated...? That he'll be killed after some days. So how you can be happy? If you are already informed, condemned to death, and kept in a concentration camp, will you be happy? Similarly, when these people take these cows to the slaughterhouse, animal stock room, go down, they understand. Very recently, about few years ago, some..., that animal stock store was some way or other broken and all the cows began to... Perhaps you know. It was published in the... And they were shot down. Shot to death. They were fleeing like anything, that "We shall save ourselves."

So if the cows are not happy, if they are always afraid, that "This rascal will kill us at any moment," then how they can be happy? There was no such thing. Therefore it is said: muda. Muda. Happy. And as soon as the cows are happy, you not only get sufficient milk, but the pasturing ground, I mean to say, ground, becomes moist with milk. So much milk supplied. Here it is stated, payasa udhasvatir muda. Yes. There is another description. Formerly, Krsna's cows, when they were passing on, the whole road will be moistened with milk. Milk supply was so sufficient. Simply manufacture butter, milk products, dahi... Distribute. Krsna was distributing amongst the monkeys even: "Take," the monkey, "come on."

So by Krsna's grace if we actually become dharmic, follow Krsna, the milk supply will be so profuse that everyone, even the animals can take the butter and yogurt. That is wanted. That is civilization. Produce sufficient quantity of grains, let the milk, cows, supply sufficient quantity of milk. All economic question solved. There is no use of industry. No use of man's going fifty miles to work. No, there is no need. Simply land and cows. Here is the statement. Kamam parjanyah, vavarsa parjanyah sarva-kama-dugha. Everything you'll get from the land. Even luxury articles. What can be more luxurious article than the jewels? The jewels are also produced. The medicine is produced, the minerals are produced, gold is produced, diamond is produced from the earth. Sarva-kama-dugha. You get everything. Make your civilization very perfect, very luxurious simply by satisfying Krsna. This is Krsna consciousness movement.

Thank you very much. (end)

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.10.4 -- Mayapura, June 19, 1973