All Isms Equal Animalism

Chicago, July 9, 1975

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Prabhupada: ...that requires complete overhauling. This religion, that religion will not help. They have no idea what is spiritual knowledge. Everyone is hovering on the mental plane. [break] ...the principle of Ba'hai religion?Jayatirtha: It was founded in Persia. It's a hodge-podge principle. (Prabhupada laughs)
Jagadisa: They think that everyone is evolving, that after taking this human life, you have to go to heaven. That's the next stage, even if you're the most sinful of all sinners.
Prabhupada: Oh. Even one is sinful, he will also go?
Jagadisa: Yes. Because they say that God is all-merciful, therefore...
Prabhupada: You can do whatever you like.
Brahmananda: God becomes the order-supplier.
Jayatirtha: They have a big temple.
Prabhupada: This is Ba'hai temple?
Jagadisa: No, no, it's back the other way.
Jayatirtha: It's much bigger than this building?
Jagadisa: Yes, it's quite a..., very nice. [break] (walking:)
Prabhupada: Hare Krsna. [break] ...buddhih kunape tri-dhatuke. So long one is in the bodily concept of life, he is animal. Will these people accept this? Hm?
Jayatirtha: They won't like to.
Prabhupada: Then?
Tamala Krsna: By our preaching we have to make them accept it.
Prabhupada: Yes. Actually that's a fact.
Sudama: We have to set an example for them to see.
Prabhupada: What is the example?
Sudama: That this Krsna consciousness, actually it does work, it does make us purified.
Prabhupada: "No. It works with you. It doesn't work with me," he will say. You have to prove that they are animals. How you will prove it?
Tamala Krsna: By showing the activities of the animals and their activities to be the same.
Prabhupada: Yes. They have to judge that "What is the difference between animal's activities and our so-called civilized man's activities?"
Sudama: When you compare them to the animals, then they become insulted.
Prabhupada: But he is animal. That is, if you call a thief a thief, he will feel insulted. But does it mean that I shall say that "You are very honest?" A thief shall be called thief. That is natural. If you call a Negro, "You black," he will be angry. But he is black. So... So that is another thing. When the activities are similar to the animal activities, then he is animal. Why a reasonable man will not accept that, hm? In that case also, he is animal. Because they say, "Man is rational animal." So if you are devoid of rationality then again you are animal. So how he will avoid, that he is not animal?
Satsvarupa: Many people today are willing to accept that. They say, "Yes, we're animals. We should enjoy our animal nature."
Prabhupada: Yes, so go on enjoying. Then don't talk of this "How, what to do, criminal?" Go on, animal. Then why you are anxious to avoid criminality? Hmm? The dogs, hogs, they are not anxious to avoid criminality. Why you are trying to avoid criminality? Remain animal. When the dog goes left to the right, it is not criminality, but why do you prosecute a man when he drives from the left to the right? You remain dog. "Why you charge me criminality? I am dog, sir." Tell him. (laughter) Go to the court and say, "I am dog, sir. Excuse me, I am dog." Why don't you say that? Do you say like that? When you are arrested and charged in the court, you can plead, "I am dog, sir. Excuse me." Why it is not excused? He is punished, why?
Satsvarupa: The human body means you have responsibility.
Prabhupada: Yes. And they say, "Whatever you do, it is all right." In the human body you cannot do like that. If in the ordinary court it is so strict, so what will be in the court of the God?
Sudama: Just like they have laws, so similarly, Krsna has.
Prabhupada: Well, laws come... Wherefrom the laws come? It comes from Krsna. Janmadyasya yatah. Everything, whatever you see, it has come from God. Otherwise where you get the idea? That is the definition in the Vedanta. Whatever you have experienced, that is coming from God, original idea from God. Janmadyasya yatah. In the Bhagavad-gita the same thing is said, aham sarvasya prabhavah [Bg. 10.8]. Whatever you see, you perceive, you experience, the original is from Krsna. (pause) So we shall go? [break] ...them directly that "You are animal." And let him go to the court and we shall prove that he is animal. [break] ...them he is in bodily concept of life, charge him that "You are animal. If you think it is defamation, let us go to the court." [break] ...these isms, nationalism, Communism, socialism, this ism, these are all animalism, nothing but animalism. [break] ...big fish within the water, they are also eating the small fish, and these persons are engaged, the same business.
Tamala Krsna: Like a big fish, bigger fish.
Prabhupada: Big fish is expert. He can go within the water and eat. He has to make some tackle. He is less than fish. (laughter)
Tamala Krsna: After catching, he eats it.
Prabhupada: No, the fish immediately. He has to cook, he has to..., another thing. That means it is not his food. Artificially, he is eating. [break] ...has taken this photograph?
Brahmananda: Yes, she did yesterday. [break]
Devotee (1): ...why do some of them carry these sticks.
Prabhupada: Sticks?
Tripurari: Danda.
Prabhupada: To drive away dogs. (laughter) [break]
Jayatirtha: The 400,000 different species of human life? There's one place in which you mention that different persons like carpenter or different tradesmen are different species. Is that...?
Prabhupada: No, no.
Jayatirtha: What's the...
Prabhupada: That is division. Varna, that is called varna.
Jayatirtha: So that has nothing to do with species. Species is like Negro or...
Prabhupada: Yes. [break]
Jayatirtha: ...gods are also included in this human species.
Prabhupada: Different types of... Kinnara, 400,000.
Brahmananda: Also different planets?
Prabhupada: Yes. But everyone can become devotee. There is no harm. It is not that because one is in the lower species, he cannot become a devotee. Everyone can become a devotee. [break] ...yoni, they can also become perfect devotee. [break] This is the power of God. He can deliver anyone without any consideration. Therefore pandita is sama-darsinah, he does not make these divisions. He sees that "He is spirit soul. So let him be delivered." That's all. Panditah sama-darsinah [Bg. 5.18]. Materially there is division. He is black, he is white, he is this, he is that. This is material. Spiritually, there is no division. One. [break] They make, what is called, spiritual division also. That is their foolishness. Spiritually there is no division. Samah sarvesu bhutesu mad-bhaktim labhate param [Bg. 18.54]. Samah sarvesu bhutesu mad-bhaktim labhate param. Hare Krsna. Jaya. (end)

 

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Scientists Controlling Nature"

Chicago, July 4, 1975

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Tamala Krsna: We've been reading in the Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya-lila, that, there's a statement that when Caitanya Mahaprabhu took prasadam at the house of Advaita Acarya, there's a verse quoted from the Srimad-Bhagavatam that a sannyasi should not leave anything, no... When he's taking his meals he should not leave anything on the plate. But sometimes we have heard in the past that a sannyasi should leave something on the plate.Prabhupada: No. Sometimes the guru leaves some remnant to be taken by the disciple. That is meant for the disciple. Ordinarily they should not. [break] ...from the other side of the lakes?
Brahmananda: It's Canada.
Prabhupada: Canada, oh.
Sri Govinda: Actually, I think it is Michigan. It is another state in the United States. Then to the north is Canada. [break]
Satsvarupa: One temple, St. Louis temple, has come to this festival, and they brought with them their installed Deities which are Gaura-Nitai. I wasn't sure that was right of them to do that. And They're now on the altar of the Chicago temple, but the Deities are not in the St. Louis temple. Gaura...
Prabhupada: That is closed?
Satsvarupa: They left one man there. Better to keep the temple open with the Deities there or can the...?
Prabhupada: No, no. When there is Deity, it must be taken care of.
Satsvarupa: They should not be transported to another temple?
Prabhupada: No, no harm.
Satsvarupa: May the temple be only one man left?
Prabhupada: Why, if there is no Deity, what is the use of keeping one man? [break] ...is meant for Deity, not for man. [break]
Visnujana: ...Damodara here for the festival. Is it all right for Them to go on Lord Jagannatha's altar while He is gone?
Prabhupada: Hmm?
Visnujana: Is it all right to put the Deities on the altar in the temple, on Lord Jagannatha's altar while He's gone?
Prabhupada: Yes. [break] ...private houses or...?
Bhavananda: Some of them are university and some are private. [break]
Prabhupada: ...the news we have got the "no objection" certificate.
Tamala Krsna: Really? For the temple or the...
Prabhupada: Bombay.
Tamala Krsna: That's for a skyscraper building or for the temple?
Prabhupada: Temple. The chief minister has sanctioned. He is very nice man.
Tamala Krsna: Nayika(?)?
Prabhupada: No, no, Nayika was a rogue.
Tamala Krsna: A new one.
Prabhupada: Yes, he is Chyavan?
Tamala Krsna: So now we can build two towers and a temple.
Prabhupada: Now bring money.
Tamala Krsna: Prabhupada, what is the plan? To send money or books?
Prabhupada: No, money. [break]
Tamala Krsna: ...He says a devotee is never vanquished, Prabhupada. Just see. [break]
Prabhupada: ...we get so much description of the sky and planets, but they had no observatory. How it was possible? [break] ...they can see with the observatory? (laughs) [break]
Visnujana: ...see it themselves, Prabhupada. They don't want to just read it in books, they say.
Prabhupada: No, what they will see? That is my question. With these limited eyes?
Satsvarupa: But they say that even what they can't see, it's more of the same.
Prabhupada: Huh?
Satsvarupa: They've made some conclusion by their mathematics as to what they can see. Whatever they can't see, it's still more of the same, material sky and planets. There's nothing beyond it.
Prabhupada: Then seeing and not seeing, the same thing? That is, means you see or not see... Is that mean, that seeing or not seeing? This is contradictory. Either you see or you don't see. These are two things. (laughter) But what is this "I see, I don't see"?
Visnujana: For that, they spend millions of dollars on a telescope.
Prabhupada: And just see. That which is impossible, they are trying for that. Punah punas carvita-carvananam [SB 7.5.30], chewing the chewed, that's all. When your senses are imperfect, then what you will see? Whatever you see, that is imperfect. So what is the meaning of seeing? Therefore our seeing is sastra-caksusat: "We should see through the authorized scriptures." That is our... You will see in the description of Sukadeva Gosvami of the whole universe, conclusion, Sukadeva Gosvami, "So far I have described as I have heard." He never says, "As I have seen." This is required. [break] ...that we believe in the creation. And others also, just like Christians, they also believe God created. But who has seen God is creating? Who has seen? Simply hear from God. He says, "I have created." That's all. But if you challenge, "I have not seen that You have created; neither I have seen You," then how can you believe? God says, "I have created," so those who are God believers, they will accept that. So what is the use of seeing again, observatory? We trust in God, but don't trust in His word. This is going on. You write in America, "We trust in God," but don't trust in His word. (laughs) Just see. If God you trust, then whatever God says, you believe. "No, that we cannot do." This is the (indistinct). [break]
Visnujana: Krsna is so opulent, why did He appear in the form of Lord Caitanya in such a poor village atmosphere?
Prabhupada: That is His opulence. Here the material man, if he is rich man, he cannot become a poor man. That means he is lacking that opulence. [break] ...opulence. Anor aniyan mahato mahiyan. He can become the bigger than the biggest and the smaller than the smallest. That is opulence. You cannot manufacture a mosquito. You can manufacture a 747, but manufacture a mosquito, then we shall know your science. (laughter) ...the same machine. Otherwise how it is flying? [break] ...seen, so imperfect you are, that what are the machine there? And you are proud of seeing, nonsense. See the machine, where it is there, how the mosquito is flying.
Tamala Krsna: And one mosquito can produce many mosquitos.
Prabhupada: Yes. Everything is there complete.
Brahmananda: It doesn't crash either.
Prabhupada: No. (laughter) And still, these rascals, believing their eyes. What is the meaning of your eyes? You see, study mosquito. Not only mosquito, you will find at night I see a small insect, less than the magnitude of full stop. (Makes insect sound:) "Gu, gu, gu, gu." The same machine is there. Now see what is the machine there if you have such eyes. What is their answer? "In future." Just see. In future they will be able. Yes. [break]
Brahmananda: ...will say that nature has created such a...
Prabhupada: Then nature is greater than you. Then you are rascal. He knows, You have to accept, somebody is greater than you. He knows, you do not know. Learn from him.
Brahmananda: Well, they say that they can control nature.
Prabhupada: Again foolishness. That irritates me. When they speak like that, rascal, that irritates me. (laughter) Therefore I simply call them rascal. [break] Harav abhaktasya kuto mahad-gunah. They are claiming very, very, big man, but as soon as we see that he is not a devotee of Krsna, we reject, "He is a foolish." [break] There is... That is a fact, one case was going on, and the judge was dozing, like that. So his clerk warned, "You are dozing. Big, big lawyers, they are talking." "So let these rascals go on talking. I have already concluded my..., (laughter) what judgment I shall give. Let them..." (laughs) So our is like that. We don't hear these rascals. Our judgment is already there. They are rascals. That's all. Let them talk whole day and night. The judge said to the clerk that "I have already made my judgment, so let these foolish men go on talking." [break] ...minister of Orissa, he has promised a land in Jagannatha Puri. So if we get that land, is it not possible to construct another Jagannatha temple? You'll earn the American money here.
Tamala Krsna: If they won't let us into that Jagannatha Puri, we have to make another one.
Prabhupada: Yes. Jagannatha will come to our temple. Yes. [break] ...selling prasadam, we shall distribute free. [break] ...comes, take prasadam. (end)

 

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How Blind People Are!

Chicago, July 8, 1975
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Prabhupada: So blind and the lame man combined together will perform a great task. [break] ...blindly, simply accumulating money, but they do not know how to utilize the money. They should take direction, authorized direction from us, and then it will be very nice. [break] ...not these concocted "isms." This "ism," that "ism," that "ism." Because it is, andha yathandhair upaniyamanah. These all rascals are blind. They do not know how to direct. Na te viduh svartha-gatim hi visnum durasaya [SB 7.5.31]. They are trying to adjust the world affairs blindly. They do not know. So let us combine. Let them come forward, take direction from us. After all, your money, my money, your intelligence, my intelligence -- everything belongs to Krsna. Sarvasya caham hrdi sannivisthah [Bg. 15.15]. Krsna is giving intelligence. We must agree to take His good advice. Early morning till night, we are always thinking, "How people will be happy by Krsna consciousness?" And they are coming here for rowing boat. You see? How blind they are! The human life, so intelligent life, and they are utilizing for rowing boat. How blind they are! Not a single moment to be wasted and they are simply finding out, "How to waste time?" [break] ...is "Crime, what to do?" "Hippies, what to do?" "Problems, what to do?" Why "What to do?" Here is a direction. Do like this." "No, sir, that I will not do." [break] ...to take photo.Tamala Krsna: Visakha, take photo. [break]
Prabhupada: And the steps...
Harikesa: The steps also.
Prabhupada: Just try to understand. Our lake in Mayapur we shall make like this, all sides clear and four sides, the steps, ghata, and garden.
Visakha: Four sides, the steps?
Prabhupada: These steps, you see? Here, there... There is no... Just opposite.
Tamala Krsna: Four corners.
Prabhupada: Four... Not four corners. Four sides.
Visakha: And also with that in the center? Island?
Prabhupada: No, island is not required. Make a program like that.
Tamala Krsna: Take photos.
Prabhupada: And if possible, send them ideas and direction. Bhavananda has gone. [break] ...convince them that they are doing very nice, to their best capacity, but they are doing it blindly. You are very good driver, but if you are a blind man, then how you will drive? You will create disaster. So we can open their eyes so that their good driving capacity will be properly utilized. A good driver, blind, what he will do? Ajnana-timirandhasya. Darkness, it will not help. The western method of seeing things -- blind eyes. Actually, they are blind. They are trying to see things with microscope. First of all you are blind. What you will see? Microscope, this machine or that machine, but you are blind. That they do not know. [break]
Devotee: What should I do if I'd like to preach more and become free from my family entanglements?
Prabhupada: Just teach him what to do. Tell him.
Tamala Krsna: What was his ques... What should you do...?
Devotee: I want to preach more and become free from my family entanglement.
Tamala Krsna: I think Jagadisa is having some preaching programs. So your family is no hindrance. Preaching is not hindered by family, one way or the other.
Prabhupada: Ahaituky apratihata. Why don't you understand? Preaching cannot be checked by anything -- if you want to preach. In any circumstances you can preach. Pranair arthair dhiya vaca. Preaching can be executed by four things: by your life, by your money, by your intelligence, and by your words. You have got so many assets. So you can utilize it for preaching. Dedicate your life. If you think that you are family man, you cannot dedicate twenty-four hours, then earn money and give it to Krsna consciousness movement as other family men, they are earning money. Eh? Is it not? You can earn. In America there is good facility for earning money. They want that you work and take money. So earn money as grhastha and give it to Krsna. Pranair arthair. If you cannot earn money, then use your intelligence. There are so many intellectual work: publication, going to this officer, that officer. You, intellectually you try. And vaca, by words. If you cannot do anything, go anyone, anywhere and say that "Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, just offer your obeisances." Finished. So where is the scarcity? You can serve Krsna in any capacity-provided you want to serve. And if you want to engage Krsna for your service, that is blunder. Then it is blunder. You cannot engage Krsna to your service. The everyone is trying to engage Krsna for his service. They are going to the church, "O Krsna, give us our daily bread," that "You serve me. You give us our daily bread and serve me." And our proposition is, Yasodamayi, "Krsna, You are playing all day. Come on! Take food first of all." This is service. They are going to Krsna for asking daily bread. And here Yasodamayi is commanding, "Come here! If You don't eat, You will get lean and thin. Come on." This is Vaisnava philosophy.
Devotee: Jaya, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: Hare Krsna. [break] ...is concerned, "How Krsna will keep good health?" And we are concerned, "Krsna will go to hell. Please supply me food so that I might keep my health good." That is the difference between materialistic and spiritualist. The foolish man does not understand that Krsna is supplying food to the elephant, to the ant, and why I shall go to the church for asking my food? It is already there. And our policy is, "Krsna, Hare Krsna, please engage me in Your service." Hare Krsna means, "O Krsna, O the energy of Krsna, please engage me in Your service." We create problem. Otherwise, no problem. Krsna has arranged everything. Isavasyam idam sarvam [Iso mantra 1]. Just see so many fruits for the birds. They are so sumptuously supplied, they are thrown. Purnam idam [Iso Invocation]. Everything is sufficient. But these rascal blind, they do not know. They are trying to adjust. What adjustment? It is already sufficient. You are misusing that. Sufficient land, sufficient intelligence. Everything is sufficient. They are misusing. In Africa, in Australia, sufficient land, and they are raising cattle to kill them. This is their intelligence. And growing coffee and tea.
Tamala Krsna: And tobacco.
Devotee: For money, for profit.
Tamala Krsna: And tobacco.
Prabhupada: Tobacco, by which... They know tobacco is bad, and they are utilizing time for growing tobacco and smoking tobacco. This is their intelligence. So blind men... Give them intelligence, these rascals. We call therefore only rascals. People are dying for want of food grains, and they are growing tobacco, which smoking, they will go to hell. This is their intelligence. Huh? What do you think?
Satsvarupa: I agree.
Prabhupada: This is the idea.
Sudama: And they even indicate, Prabhupada, on the advertisements that smoking is hazardous for the health.
Prabhupada: Yes. [break] ...for money, the money which will push them to hell. This is their intelligence. We have to give them intelligence, open their eyes. [break] ...angry first of all because murkhayo 'padeso hi prakopaya na santaye: "If you give good intelligence to the fools and rascals, they will be angry." But still, you have to do it. Just like when Nityananda Prabhu went to Jagai-Madhai to deliver them, they became angry and injured. So that is preacher. These rascals will be angry, will sometimes do harm to you, and still, you have to do it. That is preaching. Are you understanding what is preaching? Yes. You have to prepare like that. At all risk you have to preach. [break] ...world is full of rascals, and you have to educate them. So according to one's capacity let them preach, pranair arthair dhiya vaca. But everyone can preach to some extent. There is no hindrance.
Jaga-jivana: Is everything done in our movement for preaching? Everything that is done in our movement is done for preaching?
Prabhupada: Yes. To awaken their Krsna consciousness. They are in dog consciousness; we have to raise them to God consciousness. Don't you see how much they are taking care of the dog? Because they do not know, blind, whether they will be God conscious or dog conscious. So the dog conscious people should be raised to the platform of God conscious. That is preaching. Mudha nabhijanati. These rascals, they do not know the life is meant for understanding God. That they... Ask anyone. Nobody knows. They are so fool. They want to remain dog. The dog is also running; they are also running. And because they can run on by car, they are thinking they are civilized. But the business is running, that's all.
Tamala Krsna: And the purpose for the running is the same.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krsna: Eating, sleeping, mating and defending.
Prabhupada: That's all. [break] ...condemn running by car, but utilize it for Krsna. That we want. If the purpose is same, like dog, then what is the use of running by car? [break] ...by car to preach Krsna consciousness. [break] ...not after that philosophy, that jagan mithya brahma satya, no. We say jagat is also satya because brahma satya, the jagat is also satya. It is mithya because it is improperly utilized. Let it be utilized properly, it is also truth. It is truth actually. You cannot say, "This is a false tree." This is the ignorance. How it is false? But it is being misused. That is false. You cannot misuse anything which is given by God. You should properly utilize it. Then it is truth. And as soon as you misuse it, it is untruth.
Tamala Krsna: So material consciousness is false.
Prabhupada: Yes. Everything can be utilized for Krsna. That is our preaching. That is truth. There is a nice car. Why shall I condemn it? Utilize it for Krsna. Then it is truth. And the Mayavadi philosophers, they will say, "It is untruth. Give it up." No. When you have produced something by your good intelligence, it is truth, but when you use it for other purpose than Krsna, then it is false. [break] ...Deity nicely decorated, if I say, "It is all false," is that very good sense? They have created such a nice thing. No, the purpose for which you have created or utilized, that is false. So we want to change the consciousness. We don't condemn the thing. [break] ...with a knife you are cutting vegetables and utilizing, but if you use it for cutting your throat, that is bad. That is bad. So they are using the knife for cutting their own throat. This is bad. [ The sastra says, nidraham adyam plavam sukalpam. This body... We are just crossing the ocean of nescience. So this body is a good boat. maya ete 'rtam guruh karna-dharam. And the wind is favorable, Krsna's instruction. And the captain is guru. He is guiding you. With all these facilities, if you cannot cross the nescience, then you are cutting your throat. [break] ...boat is there, the captain is there, the favorable wind is there. But we are not utilizing it. That means I am killing myself. [break] ...nity. is there. [break] ...policy. The policy is suicidal. That is the defect. So preaching means to remove this defect and utilize the policy for going ahead. [break]
Devotee: Is it because of our impurity that we can't convince them to stop cutting their throat?
Prabhupada: Hm?
Tamala Krsna: His question is whether is it due to our impurity that we cannot convince people to stop cutting their throats.
Prabhupada: No, it is due to their impurity, they do not take. What you are saying, that is pure. But the difficulty is if you instruct a rascal, he becomes angry. The example is given that if you give milk and banana to the serpent, he increases his poison. Payah-panam bhujanganam kevalam visa-vardhanam. Therefore we have to select sometimes that our preaching is in the proper place. Because a snake-like person, they will not hear. But if you are a good charmer, you can charm the snake also. (laughter) That depends on your quality. Just like Caitanya Mahaprabhu did. He made these snakes, the tigers, the elephants, all dancing Hare Krsna. That is possible by Caitanya Mahaprabhu.
Tripurari: Just like you have charmed all of us, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: Well, I am not going to imitate Caitanya Mahaprabhu. (laughs) I have come to New York, not to the jungle. (laughter)
Sudama: New York is worse than jungle.
Tamala Krsna: It is called an asphalt jungle.
Prabhupada: After all, they are human being. Therefore we have collected some nice souls. [break] If you can go to the jungle, that is no hindrance, but let us take the opportunity of the civilized nations, preach them. Yad yad acarati sresthah [Bg. 3.21]. They are leading the whole civilization. If they are convinced, it will be great benefit to the human race. [break] Also my Guru Maharaja said that "You go to the western country." If he had said that "You go to the jungle," I would have gone. [break] ...preacher, either the jungle or the city is the same. Narayana-parah na kutascana bibhayati. One who is devotee of the Lord, he does not make any discrimination that "This is jungle and this is city." Svargapavarga-narakesv api tulyartha-darsinah [SB 6.17.28]. For them, everywhere, Krsna's property. So where Krsna asks him to go and serve, he will go. That's all. [break]
Jaga-jivana: All classes of men should preach Krsna consciousness?
Prabhupada: Yes. First of all he must know what to preach. If he does not know what to preach, what he will preach? You have got a preaching capacity, provided you learn the art of preaching. But everyone can preach. That's a fact.
Devotee: What is to become of those devotees that leave ISKCON and take to breaking the regulative principles, and stop chanting sixteen rounds?
Prabhupada: Explain.
Devotee: There are even brahmanas in our temple who have left the temple and they are acting just like karmis.
Prabhupada: So they were wrongly initiated. We want recommendation from the authority, whether one should be initiated, but they gave wrong information. That is the defect of the informer. [break]
Tamala Krsna: ...Hari-nama initiation can be a little more liberal.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krsna: But brahmana initiation should be strict.
Prabhupada: Very strict. Very strict means he must be observed that he is actually chanting sixteen rounds, following the regulative principles. That's all.
Tamala Krsna: Those are the important...?
Prabhupada: These are the criterions, that he is actually, seriously doing this. Then he can be initiated. Otherwise useless. He will fall down. [break]
Tamala Krsna: ...stated that one who does not, an unsuccessful person in yoga practice takes his next birth, sucinam srimatam gehe [Bg. 6.41].
Prabhupada: That is another thing, but you are fallen. Who take birth in high family or in opulent, that is the fallen condition. That is not successful con... But they are taking, "This is success. I have got so much money. I have got so much prestige. This is success."
Tamala Krsna: That's a fallen condition.
Prabhupada: That is fallen condition.
Devotee: They think that is the success of life.
Prabhupada: They think. They are foolish. They can think like that. Generally, that is... Not that devotees are not opulent. No, that is not. But this materialistic opulence means fallen condition.
Tamala Krsna: The demigods are in a very opulent position also.
Prabhupada: Yes. But they are devotees.
Tamala Krsna: But they are devotees, not fallen.
Prabhupada: They can fall. Everyone can fall. [break]
Tripurari: ...says that a sannyasi should not take, be anxious for disciples but should only take those who are qualified. But sometimes, when there's no one qualified, he takes a risk.
Prabhupada: Yes. One who does not like to take the risk, they do not take the risk of preaching. But one who takes the risk, he is recognized by Krsna immediately, "Oh, he is taking risk." But he must know where to take risk and where to act foolishly. Just like Nityananda Prabhu took the risk of being injured. But He was certain that "I can deliver him." That is...
Tamala Krsna: You took a great risk also, Prabhupada, by coming to us.
Prabhupada: (laughs) Yes. I have already written that. I was thinking that "What shall I do here? I have come here. As soon as I shall impose these four principles they will say, 'Go home.' " But I took that risk. I never said anything palatable. Against their activities, "You don't do this, don't do this." [break]
Tamala Krsna: ...compromised at all, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: No, what is the use of compromise if there is no good result?
Tamala Krsna: Someone who compromises, he actually wants followers.
Prabhupada: That is not good. Therefore Caitanya Mahaprabhu decried, na dhanam na janam, "I don't want these followers." What is the use of follower if he does not follow? [break] ...idam. Everything is sufficient, complete. Why they are embarrassed with incompleteness? Everyone is trying to adjust incompleteness, but the Vedic information, "Everything is complete." That means lacking knowledge. The car is complete. One who does not know to drive, he will find it incomplete, "Where to push on, this way, that way." He does not know how to drive the car. (end)

 

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