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Nitai: "I offer my full obeisances unto the feet of Sri Nityananda Rama, whose partial representation called Karanodakasayi Visnu, lying on the Karana Ocean, is the original purusa, the master of the illusory energy, and the shelter of all the universes."
Prabhupada: maya-bhartajanda- sete saksat karanambhodhi-madhye yasyaikamsah sri-puman adi-devas tam sri-nityananda-ramam prapadye [Cc. Adi 1.9] |
Yesterday we discussed about purnaisvarya, sankarsanakhyam, nityananda-ramam, the Deity, the superintending Deity of the spiritual world. Here also, anywhere, the master is Krsna in His different forms. So just like for management we expand some secretaries, or personal representatives, similarly there is good management also in Krsna's affairs. The original person is Krsna, and His expansions, they are also as good as Krsna, but departmental.
So we have discussed yesterday that in the spiritual world, Sankarsana is the supreme manager. And so far the material world is concerned, the same person is the Supreme, but His name is different, Karanabdhisayi. In the spiritual world, the name is Sankarsana, and the material world, the supreme superintendent is also the same person, but name is different -- Karanabdhisayi. This Karanabdhisayi is maya-bharta. Bharta means husband. Just like a husband begets children in the womb of the wife, similarly, all these universes are impregnated in the total material energy, maya, by Karanabdhisayi Visnu. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gita: aham bija-pradah pita.
sarva-yonisu kaunteya
sambhavanti murtayo yah
tasam mahad-yonir brahma
aham bija-pradah pita
[Bg. 14.4]
The bija-pradah pita, the father, is the seed-giving person, and the mother is receiving the seed, and then she is impregnated and they develops the body. As we have got experience, the creation, the creative energy, this is going on, the same process, everywhere. So this Karanabdhisayi Visnu -- we have already discussed to some extent -- is the origin of this material creation. That, the scientists says, that... I do not know exactly what is their theory, but so far I have heard, that... There are so many theories. One of them is "There was a chunk, and from that, this material world..." They have no idea what is material world or spiritual world. But in that way a creation take place. Can anyone say what is the theory or..., of creation? Can any one of you say? What do they say about the creation?
Trivikrama: Their one theory is that there's a big chunk, and them from that, everything else came.
Jagadisa: It exploded.
Rupanuga: An explosion, a big bang.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Rupanuga: A big bang. An explosion.
Hamsaduta: There were some chemicals.
Prabhupada: So wherefrom the chunk came? That is not... That is their brain fag, that they are simply trying to get everything from matter. That is their material brain. But we see here that the origin is not matter. Origin is Visnu, Maha-Visnu. So Maha-Visnu is the supreme soul, maha, Maha-Visnu. So we cannot accept such nonsense theory, that chunk exploded. Where is the evidence that a chunk explodes automatically? How nonsense theory it is. We haven't got experience. There is explosion of big, big mountains when there is dynamite, and the dynamite is given by some person. So how explosion can take place without the hand of somebody else, some living entity? This simple theory they cannot understand, that where is the evidence that matter acts automatically? Where is the evidence? How you can say that there was a chunk? Suppose there was a chunk. First of all, the question will be: "Who made this chunk?" And then again, next question will be: "How explosion took place unless there was some living being to explode, as we have got experience that sometimes we explode, explode the mountain with dynamite, and that is arranged by a living being?" So they have no common sense even, and they are passing as big, big philosopher, scientist. Then where is the evidence? Can anyone say? Is there any evidence that matter explodes without a living being's touch? Is there any? No.
Pancadravida: The sun. There are so many explosions are going on in the sun every day.
Prabhupada: That is the same thing that, that vrscika-tandula-nyaya. Explosion is going on, but behind that all these explosions, all these transformations, is the Supreme Lord. That is here. And it is confirmed in the Bhagavad-gita:
mayadhyaksena prakrtih
suyate sa-caracaram
hetunanena kaunteya
jagad viparivartate
[Bg. 9.10]
They do not see who is behind this explosion. That is their ignorance or poor fund of knowledge. We have got practical experience that no explosion takes place without the touch of a human being. Similarly, even there was explosion going on, but there is a touch of the Supreme Being. That is the statement in the Bhagavad... Mayadhyaksena [Bg. 9.10]. We are seeing the explosion. Just like child sees the explosion. He does not know that there, behind the explosion, there is a management of a superior being. This is childish observation. Because in sastra we see that behind everything the hand of the Supreme Being is there, and by our practical experience also, we see that matter does not act automatically without being touched by a living being, so how we can accept this argument, that the explosion is going on automatically? What is the evidence? There is no evidence.
So this is not... Besides that, we have to accept the Vedic injunction, sastric injunction, not nonsensical theories. If we are guided by nonsensical theories, then we'll never be able to understand how things are going on.
panthas tu koti-sata-vatsara-sampragamyo
vayor athapi manaso muni-pungavanam
so 'py asti yat-prapada-simny avicintya-tattve
govindam adi-purusam tam aham bhajami
[Bs. 5.34]
You can go on observing, one after another, by many, many years, many, many years. Just like if you start your jet plane from here to see where is the original cause, panthas tu koti-sata-vatsara, and go on for many, many millions of years with the speed of mind, panthas tu koti-sata-vatsara-sampra... Koti-sata-vatsara... Millions and millions of years. And panthas tu koti-sata-vatsara-sampragamyo vayor athapi. These airplanes, vayu-ratha... Vayu-ratha means airplane. There is airplanes. There are different speeds. What is the speed? The speed is mental speed. Now their speed, say, eighteen thousand miles per hour. But if there is question of mental speed, it is more speedier than the vayu speed. We have got experience. Many thousand miles, by your mind, you can reach within a second. So with the mental speed, airplane, if you start today and go for many millions of years, still it will be not possible to find out wherefrom the explosion is coming. That's it.
So that is not the way. Therefore sruti-pramanam. Sruti-pramanam means from the Vedic evidence we have to understand. Now, just like in the Vedas it is said, jalaja nava-laksani. In the Vedas, all knowledge was there, all the living entities described fully and with minute, exact quantity. Now, within the water, we understand from the Vedic literature, there are 900,000 forms of aquatics. Now, the modern scientists, how many they have observed or studied? But it is said exactly, 900,000. Jalaja nava-laksani sthavara laksa-vimsati. Of course, you cannot enter within the water. But on the land, now different, and that is two million. How many species of plants and trees, and that is two million. How many the botanists have studied? Two million. Sthavara laksa-vimsati. Even in your country, in your village, you'll find daily some new vegetable. You see? So these are the Vedic calculation. And not only that, there are different species of life, and how they are working, what senses are predominant in each and every life and everything is described. Everything is very minutely described. Therefore, if we want to have knowledge, you cannot do it by mental speculation. We should know that our mind is very, very limited. Simply by theorizing, it is not possible. Therefore tad-vijnanartham sa gurum eva abhigacchet sampit-panih srotriyam brahma-nistham [MU 1.2.12]. So we have to know from the supreme authority or the Vedas. Then the knowledge will be perfect. Otherwise...
So original creative energy is coming from this Karanabdhisayi Visnu. This is confirmed in Brahma-samhita. Yasyaika-nisvasita-kalam athavalambya jivanti loma-vilaja jagad-anda-nathah [Bs. 5.48]. The jagad-anda-nathah... Here it is also said, ajanda. Jagad-anda or ajanda, the same thing, or Brahmanda, the same meaning. Aja means Brahma. So the Brahma is the head of this anda. It is egglike. This whole universe is like an egg, anda. So as from the anda, from the egg, a bird is coming out; similarly, from this egglike substance, Aja has come. Aja means who does not take birth like others, human beings or animals, but from this anda. So the Karanabdhisayi Visnu another name is ajanda anghasrayanda. His whole body is producing universes. Ajanda-sanghasraya. Sanghasraya means aggregate, congregation. Just like we have got holes on the body, pores in the body. So we do not know even how many pores are there in my body, but it is a fact. We cannot, even in a localized head, we cannot count how many pores are there from which the hairs are coming. Is it possible to count? And how many pores are there in our body? This is a little body. And just imagine Maha-Visnu. Therefore His name is Maha-Visnu. From His pores of the body, the universes are coming. From His nostril, with the breathing, universes are coming. So just imagine how many universes are there. The whole body is full of potency to produce universes. And it is continually being produced. Brahma, brahma brhatvad. brhannatvat. This is the creation. And how you can accept this theory that there was a chunk and explosion and the universes became manifested? And these things are being accepted. Mudha nabhijanati mam ebhyah param avyayam. These rascals, mudhas, they do not know, and misleading... Andha yathandhair upaniyamanah [SB 7.5.31]. These rascals are blind, and they are leading some other blind men, and they are satisfied that "We have got all scientific knowledge." That's all. That is not the way of scientific knowledge. If you want scientific knowledge, then you should know from Krsna. That is scientific knowledge. Jnanam me paramam guhyam yad vijnana-samanvitam. Vijnana-samanvitam.
So we do not, I mean to say, become proud to have very, very scientific accurate knowledge by speculation. We are not such people. We are taught by the parampara system that we are humble servants of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and what our master says, we accept it. That's all. We do not like to be foolishly proud to have full knowledge of this universe, of this creation. We have full knowledge, but we understand in this way. This is called parampara system. Just like in the Vedas... Take for example the Brahma-samhita. It is spoken by Lord Brahma. Brahma has got the full knowledge. Tene brahma hrda adi-kavaye. Because the full knowledge was given..., full knowledge of creation was given to Brahma. We do not accept this nonsense theory that there was no human being, and later on, they became gradually civilized, and for the last two hundred years only they have got the intelligence, scientific knowledge. We do not accept these nonsense theories. We... Our understanding is: the first creation is the most intelligent human being, Brahma, not that there was no human being, or any living being. No. The first creation is the most perfect or intelligent living being. This is our theory. Not theory; it is the Vedic evidence. And he got full knowledge from the Supreme, tene brahma hrda adi-kavaye, adi-kavi, the original learned person, and then he compiled Vedas, giving full knowledge, what he experienced. And the Brahma-samhita is there -- it is written by Brahma. And in the Brahma-samhita, the Karanabdhisayi Visnu is mentioned, yasyaika-nisvasita-kalam athavalambya jivanti loma-vilaja [Bs. 5.48]. It is not that we are accepting this verse of Caitanya-caritamrta author. No. It is confirmed by the Vedic knowledge. This is the origin of creation, not that this chunk, or... No. Matter cannot expand. Matter, when there is reaction... Just like explosion. We have got experience that there is sometimes explosion like if you mix together two chemicals, acid and alkaline, there is explosion for the time being. But this explosion takes place when a chemist in the laboratory mixes soda, soda bicarb, and citric acid. Otherwise, it is not possible.
So this is wrong theory that matter automatically takes the explosion or something like that. Matter is handled by some superior living being. Then it explodes or whatever you call. It reacts. Otherwise, it is not possible. And because the living being takes the superior position for explosion of matter or reaction of matter, therefore in the Bhagavad-gita it is admitted that the matter is handled by the living being; it is inferior energy. Both of them are energies of the Supreme Lord, but one is superior energy, another is inferior energy. That is the statement in the Bhagavad-gita. Bhumir apo 'nalo vayuh [Bg. 7.4], this material things, earth, water, air, fire, they are inferior energy. And Krsna says, apareyam: "They are inferior. There is another, superior energy." Apareyam itas tu viddhi me prakrtim param: "There is another, superior energy." And what is that superior energy? Now, jiva-bhutam, "These living entities." Jiva-bhutam maha-baho. The superior energy is not produced by the inferior energy. That is nonsense. The inferior energy is produced by the superior energy. This is perfect. We have got experience that the superior controls the inferior, not that inferior controls the superior. Where you get all this idea? Therefore it has been described as apara and para prakrti. And what is that para prakrti? Jiva-bhutam maha-baho yayedam dharyate jagat [Bg. 7.5]. The whole world is being manipulated by this superior energy. Just like we have got experience that a human being, an engineer, he is creating a skyscraper building, not that a skyscraper building is creating an engineer. Where is this theory?
So these are all nonsense, simply nonsense, mudha. Of course, we use this word mudha, and people become very angry, but what can I, can we do? (laughter) The mudhas must be explained as mudhas. And because the mudhas are going as intelligent, therefore there is chaotic condition. (bird chirping) There it is confirmed. So our Krsna consciousness movement is to become intelligent, not to remain mudhas, and to expose these rascal mudhas. That's this, our Krsna consciousness movement. So you must be prepared. While making propaganda, expose these mudhas. That is one of the service of Krsna. Don't remain foolish. Wherever there is required, fight with these mudhas and tell them rightly, straightforward, that "You are mudhas."
Thank you very much. (end)
>>> Ref. VedaBase => Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Adi-lila 1.9 -- Mayapur, April 2, 1975
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