Mayavadis Think Krishna Is... Maya
Srimad-Bhagavatam 5.6.07
Vrndavana, November 29, 1976
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Pradyumna: "Actually Lord Rsabhadeva
had no material body, but due to yogamaya, He considered His body material, and
therefore, because He played like an ordinary human being, He gave up the
mentality of identifying with it. Following this principle, He began to wander
all over the world. While traveling, He came to the province of Karnata in South
India and passed through Konka, Venka and Kutaka. He had no plan to travel this
way, but He arrived near Kutakacala and entered a forest there. He placed stones
within His mouth and began to wander through the forest, naked and with His hair
disheveled like a madman."
Prabhupada:
Tasya ha va evam mukta-lingasya bhagavata rsabhasya.
[SB 5.6.7]
Bhagavan, in His any form, He is mukta-linga. As we have got linga, deha, linga, this material body, and we have got our spiritual body also... The spiritual body is covered by the material coating. This is not our actual body. But in the case of Supreme Personality of Godhead, there is no such difference. Deha, dehi. As we have got difference... Dehino 'smin yatha deha. Deha and dehi. Dehi means the owner of the body. Just like I say, "It is my body." I don't say, "It is I body." Everyone has got this experience. Even a child, ask him, pointing out to the finger. He will say, "It is my finger." Nobody says, "I finger," because there is difference between the body and the spirit soul. This is to be understood.
Spiritual education means, beginning is, to understand that "I am not this body." Aham brahmasmi: "I am beyond this body." But in the case of Krsna or His different expansion, plenary expansion, there is no such difference, deha dehi.
prakrta kariya mane visnu-kalevara
aparadha nahi ara inhara upara(?)
Caitanya Mahaprabhu has said, "Any rascal" -- of course, "rascal" he did not say; I say -- that "Anyone who considers the body of Krsna is prakrta" -- prakrta means material -- "that is the greatest offense." The Mayavadis, they say so. Therefore Caitanya Mahaprabhu says, mayavadi haya krsne aparadhi. They think that when... "God is impersonal, but when He becomes a person, He accepts the material body." That is wrong. Here it is said that mukta-lingasya bhagavata rsabhasya. It is no difference. Even a big scholar, while writing comments on Bhagavad-gita, when Krsna says, man-mana bhava mad-bhakto mad-yaji mam namaskuru [Bg. 18.65], he warns the reader, "It is not to the person. The soul or the spirit within the person." Means he is thinking Krsna as ordinary person, and he's a big scholar. This is going on.
Krsna condemns, avajananti mam mudha manusim tanum asritah [Bg. 9.11]. Anyone who thinks that Krsna has a different soul... No. Krsna and Krsna's so-called soul, the same thing. There is no difference. That is the... Otherwise how Krsna can lift, as a seven-years-old boy, Govardhana Hill? Is it possible by this material body? No. That is not possible. This is common sense. But they cannot understand Krsna, mudha. Avajananti mam mudha. They call, "It is mythology. Mythology. Everything mythology." First of all they cannot find out what is God, and when God comes, shows His opulences, these rascals say, "It is mythology." What God will do? He comes before you. He displays His mighty opulences. He expanded Himself into sixteen thousand form. "Mythology." So what can I do? What Krsna can do? Advaitam acyutam anadim ananta-rupam adyam purana-purusam nava-yauvanam ca [Bs. 5.33]. Sastra says He has got ananta-rupam, but still one. There is no difference. They cannot understand the Absolute Truth, and they like to comment upon it foolishly.
Therefore Sanatana Gosvami says that don't hear anything from the Mayavadi, avaisnava. Mayavadi means avaisnava. Sanatana Gosvami says that sravanam na kartavyam putam hari-kathamrtam. Sravanam na kartavyam: "Those who are not Vaisnavas, from them do not hear the transcendental topics." Avaisnava-mukhodgirnam putam hari-katham, sravanam na kartavyam. He has warned, "Don't hear. Who is not a Vaisnava, don't hear from him at least Gita, Bhagavatam. Or any sastra, don't hear," because they do not know what is actually the position. Krsna also says, naham prakasah sarvasya yogamaya-sama... [Bg. 7.25]. Here it is said, yogamaya-vasanaya. Atah sri-krsna-namadi na bhaved grahyam indriyaih [Cc. Madhya 17.136]. These blunt senses, they cannot appreciate what is Krsna. Yogamaya-samavrtah. He's covered. To the nondevotees, He is covered. To the devotees -- sevonmukhe hi jihvadau svayam eva -- He reveals: "Yes, I am here like this." So do not think... Caitanya Mahaprabhu has warned, prakrta kariya mane visnu kalevara, aparadha nahi ara inhara upara(?). So long we are aparadhi, offender, there is no possibility of understanding Krsna. And Caitanya Mahaprabhu therefore has warned, that "Don't hear about Krsna or any transcendental subject matter from a Mayavadi." Mayavadi-bhasya sunile haya sarva-nasa [Cc. Madhya 6.169]. If you hear from a Mayavadi, then your advancement in devotional service is finished. Haya sarva-nasa. You should be very, very careful.
avaisnava-mukhodgirnam
putam hari-kathamrtam
sravanam na kartavyam
sarpocchista-payo yatha
If one is not Vaisnava, don't be liberal, that "Oh, what is the wrong? He is talking Bhagavatam." But he does not know who can speak Bhagavatam. Here in Vrndavana there is a big Mayavadi sannyasi. He speaks on Bhagavatam and speaks all nonsense, but there is a big crowd go to hear him. Yes.
So Mayavadis are attractive. They are very educated. They can put things in jugglery of words. That capacity they have got. So people become amazed, and almost everyone... So therefore they are not very much pleased with this movement, that "Krsna is God." We are preaching, and all full of Mayavadis, they are thinking, "What this nonsense is doing? Krsna..." They think Krsna is maya. Visnu-kalevara maya. Krsna says, mattah parataram nanyat kincid asti dhananjaya [Bg. 7.7]. Avajananti mam mudha manusim tanum asritah [Bg. 9.11]. Aham sarvasya prabhavo mattah sarvam pravartate [Bg. 10.8]. Repeatedly He is saying what He is, and He is personally present and all the acaryas confirming. Even Sankaracarya, he also says sa bhagavan svayam krsna. Narayanah parah avyaktat. Don't bring Narayana in this material world. So... Bhaja govindam bhaja govindam bhaja govindam mudha mate. "You rascal, you have studied so much grammar. Now give up all this. Bhaja govindam, govinda bhaja." Nahi nahi raksati dukrn-karane: "Your grammatical knowledge, du-pratyaya, krn-pratyaya, lin-pratyaya, din-pratyaya, oh, this will not do." Bhaja govindam mudha-mate, prapte sannihite karana, hita kala-marane: "This is... Jugglery of words will not save you. This is my final instruction." Mayavadam asac-chastram pracchanam bauddham ucyate. Kalau brahma-murtina. He has some business to do that, but actually, we should not hear about..., especially Srimad-Bhagavatam. Therefore Sripada Sankaracarya avoided to write any comments on Srimad-Bhagavatam. He has written comments on Bhagavad-gita, but he has completely avoided to write any comment on Bhagavata because he knew that "I am doing the wrong thing. How can I touch Srimad-Bhagavatam?" Srimad-bhagavatam amalam puranam yad vaisnavanam priyam. He has purposefully avoided. And the acarya, other acaryas like Sri Ramanujacarya, Madhvacarya, Visnu Svami and up to Caitanya Mahaprabhu, everyone has accepted, Srimad-bhagavatam amalam puranam.
Amalam means there is no material contamination, pure description. Therefore Vyasadeva, from the very beginning he says that dharmah projjhita-kaitavo 'tra paramo nirmatsaranam: [SB 1.1.2] "This book is not meant for the person who is envious." Envious... You begin enviousness from Krsna. Krsna says, sarva dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja [Bg. 18.66]. The envious person will say, "Oh, this is too much. Why shall I surrender to Krsna? I am also Krsna. I am also God. This is too much." This is rascaldom. The actual fact is that we are eternal servant of Krsna, we have forgotten it, and therefore we have become servant of maya. We are suffering, and Krsna, out of His kindness, He comes to prove that the living entities are eternal servant and He is the eternal master. Still, because they are contaminated, contaminated by the yogamaya, contaminated by maya, mahamaya... Mahamaya. Ya devi sarva-bhutesu nidra-rupena samsrita(?). Mahamaya. This material energy is described in the Chandi, ya devi sarva-bhutesu nidra-rupena samsrita(?). (S)he's keeping everyone in sleeping, more dozes. Utthisthata jagrata prapta varan nibodhata. And therefore Veda says that "Don't sleep. Get up, rascal. Get up. This is the opportunity." But no. Yogamaya-samavrtah. Yogamaya is keeping him in sleeping condition. Nidralasya. So we should be very careful. Caitanya Mahaprabhu also: jiv jago jiv jago gauracandra bole. The Gauracandra's mission is to awaken the conditioned soul. Jiv jago jiv jago gauracandra... Kota nidra yao maya-pisacira kole. How long we shall sleep? We are thinking that "I am sleeping at the lap of my beloved mother." Don't do this. Get up. The Vedic vacana: utthisthata jagrata prapta varan nibodhata. We should be very careful that we have got this body, human form of body, and we should not sleep. Sleeping means ignorance. Maya andha-kara. Just like at night we sleep because it is darkness. But during daytime we do not sleep, generally. That is the way.
So we must come to the light and may not sleep and lose the chance of human form of body. Here the instruction is that Krsna, or Rsabhadeva... Rsabhadeva is bhagavata rsabha-devasya, rsabhasya. Imam jagatim abhimana, abhimana abhasena. Abhimana abhasena. He looks like ordinary human being, but you should be careful. No. He is not ordinary human being. Then... Therefore we must know. These are the knowledge given by... And if we understand it perfectly... Understanding means when we are uncontaminated, we can understand. So long we are contaminated -- daivi hy esa gunamayi mama maya duratyaya [Bg. 7.14] -- then you cannot. But you can get out of the clutches of this maya. Then you can understand. How? Mam eva ye prapadyante mayam etam taranti te [Bg. 7.14]. Just surrender. Surrender means to surrender... Mayy asakta manah partha yogam yunjan mad-asrayah. This is surrender. Mad-asrayah. Take shelter of Krsna. Krsna, we cannot take shelter directly, mad-asrayah. But you can take shelter of a person who has taken shelter of Krsna. If one is surcharged with electricity, if you touch him, then you will be also electrified. Evam parampara praptam imam rajarsayo [Bg. 4.2]. Krsna, five thousand years ago He spoke Bhagavad-gita. How we can hear Him? Yes, you can hear Him by parampara system. Krsna says repeatedly that "I am this, I am this," and Arjuna understands Him, "Yes, You are this." Sarvam etan rtam manye yad vadasi kesava. Then he understands. He is directly understanding. And you take the version of Arjuna. Arjuna says, param brahma param dhama [Bg. 10.12]. Why you, rascal, interpret in a different way, rascal? What right you have got? "My Krsna is like that. My Krsna..." What right you hve got? Krsna says like this; one who listen to Krsna about Krsna, he says like that. You rascal, why do you interpret in a different way? This is going on.
So be careful of these rascals. Mayavadi-bhasya sunile haya sarva nasa [Cc. Madhya 6.169]. Then you'll never be able to understand Krsna. Yogamaya-samavrtah. We should take the instruction of the sastra that Krsna and Krsna's soul, there are... Ekam evadvitiyah. He is one, without any second. Bhayam dvitiyabhinivesi..., nisevatah syat isad apetasya. Isad apetasya. So the more we forget Krsna, then we are in the material stage. Material stage means bhayam, always fearful. "Why shall I accept Krsna as human being, as a person? Oh, it is... It is not. How He can be a person? How a person can produce such a vast sky?" He says, bhumir apo analo vayuh kham mano buddhir eva: [Bg. 7.4] "Yes, I have produced the sky." But these rascals will not believe how a person can do it. They'll comment in their own way. So avoid this.
Here Rsabhadeva says about the Personality of Godhead. Accept them; believe them; take it. You understand or not understand, take it for granted. Then you will be able to make advance in Krsna consciousness.
Thank you very much. (end)
© 2001 The Bhaktivedanta Book Trust International.
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