Prabhupada: Yes, nitya. We are part
and parcel of Krsna.
Guest (1): ...is the material nature, and material, this is not the gross body.
Prabhupada: Eh? Eh?
Guest (1): This is not the gross body. When we go to bed and sleep, we feel that there is some divine spark in us, which puts us by(?) our existence...
Prabhupada: Yes.
Guest (1): is a part and parcel of God. That's what the Sankara...
Prabhupada: No. Part and parcel of God in this way: it is the energy of God.
Guest (1): It is not prakrti. It is purusa. It is purusa inside.
Prabhupada: Purusa inside? That is Paramatma.
Guest (1): Sankaracarya says, Sankaracarya says that...
Prabhupada: No, we differ from Sankaracarya. We follow Krsna. We do not follow Sankaracarya. So if you think Sankaracarya is better than Krsna, that is your opinion. We follow Krsna. Sankaracarya is not original person. Krsna is original person. That is accepted by Vyasadeva and all... Narada, Devala. So our proposition is "Follow Krsna." Nityo nityanam cetanas cetananam (Katha Upanisad 2.2.13). The original person. Adi-purusam. Govindam adi-purusam. Sankaracarya is, say, one thousand five hundred years, but Krsna, He's the original purusa, before the creation. The creation was made... Sankaracarya also admits in his commentary on the Bhagavad-gita: narayanah parah avyaktat. And he accepts Krsna as the Supreme Personality of Godhead: sa bhagavan svayam krsnah. So you cannot supersede Krsna by accepting Sankaracarya. Sankaracarya admits, sa bhagavan svayam krsnah. So Sankaracarya admits Krsna is the authority, but Krsna says that this material body is prakrti. How you can say it is purusa? Krsna says that bhumir apo 'nalo vayuh, bhinna me prakrtir astadha: [Bg. 7.4] "These eight kinds of prakrti, they are My separated energy." How you can say it is purusa?
Guest (2) (Indian man): Sir, may I... Some reference(?) were written by Lord Krsna in Gita. He told us that api cet su-duracaro bhajate mam ananya-bhak. And He, ksipram bhavati dharmatma, and He also promised pratijane priyo 'si. But it is difficult to understand that the same Lord Krsna told, bahunam janmanam ante jnanavan mam prapadyante [Bg. 7.19], manusyanam sahasresu kascid yatati siddhaye, tesam api sahasresu [Bg. 7.3], "Can understand Me."
Prabhupada: Hmmm?
Guest (2): Can understand Lord Krsna. It is... This knowledge of Him, perfect knowledge, is very difficult because...
Prabhupada: Yes. But that is the standard of perfect knowledge, to surrender to Krsna.
Guest (2): Yes, but He is so easy that api cet su-duracarah, it means we must surrender in one way(?) but...
Prabhupada: Api cet su-duracaro bhajate mam ananya-bhak. Ananya-bhak, without deviating to any other thing, if one is simply sticking to worship Krsna, that is called ananya-bhak. Not that "I am worshiping Krsna sometimes, sometimes worshiping this, sometimes that." No, not like that. Ananya-bhak. One, concentrated. Such a person, even if he's found su-duracarah, due to his past habits... Just like these European boys and American boys. They have taken to Krsna consciousness very seriously. But sometimes we find that they are not so clean according to the sastra. So that is supported. Even though they are not sometimes following the routine work of cleanliness or something else, still, because he's sticking to the principle of worshiping Krsna, he does not do anything else, then he's sadhu. He's sadhu. Only for that qualification. They are not going to any other demigods or form of God. They are sticking to the simple... Mam ekam saranam vraja. This is required. This faith, that as Caitanya-caritamrta karaca says: krsne bhakti kaile sarva-karma krta haya. This is the faith, the beginning of faith. If one is strongly believing that "If I worship Krsna, then everything will be done nicely," that is called ananya-bhak. And if we want to worship Krsna for some purpose and another, some purpose, that is not ananya-bhak. His su-duracara will not be accepted. But if he sticks to Krsna only, then his su-duracara will be excused. [break] ...other Muslim.
Guest (3) (Indian man): No, I am Indian.
Prabhupada: Then, sir, you believe like Indian. [break]
Guest (3): ...question of belief. It is a fact. But people say it is belief.
Prabhupada: Fact is fact. You believe or not believe, fact is fact. [break]
Guest (3): ...belief. [break] ..."I am son of God."
Guest (4) (Indian man): And what about Krsna? He says...
Prabhupada: He says, "I am God." Therefore there is no difference. If Jesus Christ is son of God, and Krsna says "God," then where is the difference? If your son comes, "I am son of such and such gentleman," and if you say, "I am that gentleman," then where is the difference? Where is the difference? If I say, "I am Mr. such and such, such and such," and if my son says, "I am the son of Mr. such and such," then where is the difference? There is no difference. Christ says, "I am son of God." And Krsna says, "I am God." So Christ becomes His son. So where is the difference? And Krsna says, sarva-yonisu kaunteya sambhavanti murtayah: [Bg. 14.4] "As many forms are there, living entities." Why not of Christ? What do you say? Is that all right? Thank you. [break]
So I shall request you, all respectable gentlemen present here, that there is very good prospect of preaching this Krsna consciousness movement all over the world. That is my experience after working for the last four or five years. So our countrymen also, those who are leaders, those who are thoughtful, philosophers, scientists, they should try to understand this Krsna philosophy. That is my request. It is very clear to understand the science of God. Why you should neglect and by, mislead ourself by understanding some misleading interpretation? That is my mission. I want to establish throughout the world that krsnas tu bhagavan svayam [SB 1.3.28]. Here is Bhagavan. Why you are searching after Bhagavan? Here is Bhagavan. I give the name and address of Bhagavan. His father's name and everything. Why you are being misled? Where is the scope for searching out where is Bhagavan? Here is Bhagavan. Sri-bhagavan uvaca. Therefore in the Bhagavad-gita it is said... It does not say krsna uvaca. Sri-bhagavan uvaca. Its name is Bhagavad-gita, spoken by the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Bhagavad-gita. Sankaracarya says: bhagavad-gita kincid adita.(?) Sankaracarya says. Kincid adita. If, if somebody wants to understand Bhagavan he must read Bhagavad-gita. Kincid adita. He never challenges Krsna. So we have to understand the whole thing, whole philosophy, whole science of God through Bhagavad-gita. Then our life is perfect. Why Sankaracarya says bhagavad-gita kincid adita? Why? Can you say? [break] ...little of Bhagavad-gita.
Guest (4): (indistinct)
Prabhupada: Yes, yes.
Guest (4): [break]
Prabhupada: Simply by understanding Bhagavad-gita you understand what is the science of God.
Guest (4): (indistinct)
Prabhupada: [break] ...it is so full of knowledge, it is so full of knowledge. Yes.
Guest (4): Simply recitation of Bhagavad-gita...
Prabhupada: Yes. [break] ...not the parrotlike reading. No. We don't say that. Still, parrotlike reading also will help you.
Guest (4): Knowledge will be achieved in janmanam, bahunam janmanam ante [Bg. 7.19].
Prabhupada: Yes, ahh, yes... (end)
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Bhagavad-gita Lecture -- Ahmedabad, December 8, 1972
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