Los Angeles, June 22, 1975
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Prabhupada: Brahmananda is not come?
Nobody knows why? [break]Devotees: He was in mangala aratik.
Tamala Krsna: He was not dancing very much, though. So maybe he was not... [break]
Radha-ballabha: Here comes Brahmananda.
Prabhupada: How he comes? (laughing) He is running. Oh, another car?
Bahulasva: Yes. [break]
Tamala Krsna: This not like Juhu.
Prabhupada: Yes. [break] ...Maharaja feeling separation of mayapur.
Tamala Krsna: It's transcendental.
Prabhupada: He has constructed Mayapur. This is very good. Asaktis tad-vasati-sthale. If one becomes attracted in the place of Krsna -- place of Krsna everywhere -- especially where His lila was performed... So Brahmananda, why late today?
Brahmananda: I was in the temple, chanting.
Prabhupada: Oh.
Brahmananda: I didn't think you would come so early.
Prabhupada: It is early?
Brahmananda: Well, earlier than yesterday.
Prabhupada: No, I don't think. What is the time?
Tamala Krsna: Ten minutes to six.
Jayatirtha: Yesterday you left about 5:40 and today you left exactly at 5:30. So...
Brahmananda: I came just after you left.
Prabhupada: I think your watch is slow. (laughter) [break] ...actual time now?
Jayatirtha: It's 5:51.
Prabhupada: Hm? What is my?
Jayatirtha: Your's is about one minute faster.
Prabhupada: And what is your?
Brahmananda: 5:53.
Prabhupada: Fast. [break] ...in my childhood, I remember, I went to see football match in the Maidan.
Tamala Krsna: Calcutta Maidan.
Prabhupada: Yes. So when I was returning -- of course, I was walking -- throughout the whole... At that time our house was that Mullik's house. So from Maidan to Mahatma Gandhi Road I came. And all the watches throughout the road, the same time. Means every watch was, every clock was wrong. But I was going, so I, suppose I saw 5:10 here, then few steps away, 5:10, 5:10, 5:10, like that.
Bhavananda: Not any more.
Prabhupada: Huh?
Bhavananda: In Calcutta it's not that way any more.
Prabhupada: That's very strict in time?
Bhavananda: No, every clock is hours off. (laughter) From each other.
Prabhupada: Hours? (laughs)
Bhavananda: Hours.
Prabhupada: Hare Krsna. [break] ...today?
Tamala Krsna: I think in Los Angeles it is always...
Prabhupada: Always.
Dharmadhyaksa: The month of June, Prabhupada, in California is very cloudy. [break] It was one of the few days that it was sunny.
Prabhupada: Hawaii is clear. Hawaii is clear. Every day we used to see sun.
Jayatirtha: Very beautiful there.
Tamala Krsna: India is like that also.
Prabhupada: [break] ...sinners.
Revatinandana: I think it is a joke, though.
Jayadvaita: Then again commit sins. They'll repent and commit them again.
Prabhupada: Oh yes. Atonement.
Tamala Krsna: Whenever we meet the Christians, they always say that "It doesn't matter because Jesus came to save us from our sins. So now it doesn't matter because we're saved."
Prabhupada: Then Jesus is a fool, and he has taken contract to suffer, and these people are free to commit sin.
Dharmadhyaksa: Jesus actually said...
Prabhupada: And they are so clever that they can make God's son also fool. Over-clever.
Dharmadhyaksa: [break] ...always said, "Your sins are forgiven you, go and sin no more." He always gave that injunction, "Go and sin no more." [break]
Prabhupada: ...is no description of sins in Bible? What are the sins?
Tamala Krsna: Killing, adultery, stealing. They mention it.
Jayatirtha: There are Ten Commandments.
Prabhupada: That is.
Dharmadhyaksa: Worship of demigods. They also say, "Putting any god in front of the one Supreme God." Worshiping matter. [break]
Tamala Krsna: In Berkeley there's this one demon, so-called Christian, and every day he comes out and he stands behind us with a big sign that "You will not achieve anything by your mantras and meditation." And he calls us idol worshipers. And now he writing these big signs, "Don't chant Hare Krsna with them." He chanting... He's writing, "Hare Krsna," and he's telling... (laughter)
Prabhupada: You charge, "Why you are chanting?" [break]
Tamala Krsna: [break] ...day he stands behind us for two hours to three hours of kirtana. He's becoming one of our men now. (laughter) [break]
Revatinandana: ...used to do that but he never came around. He used to be out there every day in Los Angeles for years.
Dharmadhyaksa: Prabhupada? The father of the H-bomb, the man who developed the H-bomb, he retired a week ago, and he said he was very sad that the young people were becoming disgusted with science nowadays, and all the young scientists, they are not as good as the old scientists. They have no desire any more really.
Revatinandana: Edward Teller?
Dharmadhyaksa: Yes. Teller retired.
Prabhupada: Who is he?
Dharmadhyaksa: His name is Edward Teller.
Prabhupada: So what he is?
Revatinandana: He's famous for inventing the H-bomb. He invented the hydrogen bomb.
Revatinandana: Hydrogen bomb. He was the main inventor.
Prabhupada: Oh.
Dharmadhyaksa: Srila Prabhupada, there was a survey of these psychologists, young psychologists, and they asked them whether or not they would like to do research. And the vast majority of the psychologists said no, they don't want to do any research. They don't like to do research because it's all a joke. They don't prove anything. They figure it's a waste of time. [break]
Prabhupada: ...nasau munir yasya matam na bhinnam:" You cannot become a philosopher unless you disagree with other philosopher." Nasau munir yasya matam na bhinnam. [break] ...something drown?
Sudama: Yes, they destroyed an amusement park there, and that got stuck in the water.
Prabhupada: Oh. Why destroy?
Sudama: No one was coming any more.
Prabhupada: All amusement finished.
Sudama: Yes.
Dharmadhyaksa: They did that to get insurance money?
Prabhupada: [break] ...they are becoming disappointed in science, philosophy, amusement. That is good sign. [break]
Dharmadhyaksa: ...we go to colleges, the young people that are working on Ph.D.'s, they are very... (laughs) They say, "We're doing all this research but you can't prove a thing." I ask them, "Well, this experiment, you know, what will it prove?" He says, "Well, it indicates this, it indicates that, but really doesn't prove anything."
Prabhupada: (laughs) It proves only that he's a fool. That is the only...
Dharmadhyaksa: I talked to a very nice Indian gentleman. He's a life member. He's a young Ph.D. in chemistry, Dr. Bhatt. He dedicated his Ph.D. thesis to Krsna.
Prabhupada: Accha?
Dharmadhyaksa: Yes. And he quoted isvarah paramah krsnah sac-cid-ananda-vigrahah [Bs. 5.1]. And I asked him, "What is the practical result of your research?" He said, "Maybe in twenty years they'll find some way to use the research that I am working on."
Prabhupada: So he has dedicated to Krsna, very good. [break] ...also dedicated, our Dr. S..., yes, to Krsna.
Dharmadhyaksa: I was very surprised. I was at his home, and I opened it up, and it said "Dedicated to Sri Krsna, the Supreme Scientist." He quoted Brahma-samhita. [break]
Prabhupada: Dr. Wolfe also believes in Krsna very strongly.
Tamala Krsna: You had a talk with him yesterday?
Prabhupada: He said "I believe in Krsna unconditionally."
Tamala Krsna: What is his specialty?
Prabhupada: He is a linguist, Ph.D. in linguist.
Tamala Krsna: Oh, linguistics.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Bahulasva: Dr. Judah also says like that, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: Accha?
Bahulasva: Yes. He was coming to hear Visnujana and Tamala Krsna do kirtana, every day at Berkeley. He said he liked to come and hear the chanting very much.
Tamala Krsna: Yeah, he comes every day.
Bahulasva: He was very impressed with the bus. He was seeing Radha-Damodara bus. He was very impressed.
Revatinandana: So whenever a devotee visits him, he is very pleased to see the devotees come and visit him also.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Revatinandana: At his office.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krsna: He's a devotee. Nice devotee.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Revatinandana: He's been also to Mayapur, I think, and Vrndavana, and he's associated with you before. So he's had a lot of good association.
Prabhupada: Yes, he saw Tirtha Maharaja, Bon Maharaja.
Tamala Krsna: Yes, he met them.
Bahulasva: He told me that if he was not so entangled with family life, he would want to take sannyasa.
Prabhupada: (laughs) He is family man?
Bahulasva: Yes.
Prabhupada: No, so what is the anxiety? We can take charge of their family. How old he is?
Bahulasva: He's about sixty-five. He's just getting ready to retire. He's retiring this year.
Prabhupada: So retire.
Dharmadhyaksa: He's in very good health, Srila Prabhupada.
Bahulasva: We spoke with him that when we incorporate Berkeley temple as a university, he can be affiliated with that, and he thought that would be very nice.
Prabhupada: Oh. So let him help that our center be affiliated.
Bahulasva: Yes. We were thinking if it was, if it pleased Your Divine Grace, maybe he could teach one class in his book, and we can have some students come there.
Prabhupada: That will be very nice.
Bahulasva: That would be all right?
Prabhupada: Oh, yes.
Dharmadhyaksa: There's this one psychologist. He comes every week to study Krsna consciousness, and he plays some of the bhajana tapes in his office. And there's twenty doctors in his office, and he plays it so all the doctors can hear. And they all come in and ask him, "What is that wonderful music?" He says, "Oh, this is from the Hare Krsna movement." He says, "No, that can't be from the Hare Krsna movement. They just chant and dance on the street the same thing." He says, "No, no, no, this is the Hare Krsna movement." They are very, very pleased. He gives all his patients mantra cards and tells them, "You should go to the temple. This will really help you." [break]
Prabhupada: This is nudie beach?
Tamala Krsna: The nude beach.
Revatinandana: It used to be.
Bahulasva: ...on one side
Revatinandana: At one time they made it legal to be nude here, and then later on, they repealed the law again.
Jayatirtha: Venice? It is still nude, Venice Beach.
Revatinandana: Is it still? Really.
Jayatirtha: You can either come wearing clothes or not wearing clothes to this beach.
Tamala Krsna: Lucky we come early.
Sudama: Just like the monkeys.
Revatinandana: Oh, it was in Laguna that they repealed it.
Prabhupada: But why, then, the lavatory they have made distinction for woman and for men?
Tamala Krsna: Now in the colleges there's no more distinction.
Jayatirtha: Co-educational bathrooms.
Tamala Krsna: One bathroom. One residence, one bathroom...
Revatinandana: The boys and girls live in the same residence on the same floors and use the same bathrooms. Practically there is no restriction on the association. They're not married.
Tamala Krsna: Congress just passed a law that the health education, means the gym, gymnastic classes... Every day there's physical education class?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krsna: Must be co-educational. They must be. They passed a law like that.
Dharmadhyaksa: Soon they'll get so disgusted with this association, they'll all want to become brahmacaris.
Revatinandana: When we noticed that this amusement pier was torn down, I didn't think that it meant that they were less interested in amusement, but they have become more degraded in their approach. The amusement pier... They come here instead to be naked on the beach for their amusement. Or they stay home and use intoxicants mostly. That is increasing. [break] ...like a prostitute house. And almost every place they are, not even one part of the city anymore, but you see them everywhere.
Prabhupada: The woman gives massage?
Revatinandana: Yes. Always advertising, "Beautiful young girls to massage you."
Dharmadhyaksa: This is open prostitution now. They advertise very, very, very badly.
Bahulasva: We had a hearing in Berkeley for our temple, whether or not we could live there, and some neighbors were saying that "These Hare Krsna people are no good because they don't have any sex life and don't take any intoxication."
Jayatirtha: "They hate sex, they hate women, they hate drugs..."
Bahulasva: They said, "They are too pure. They will make this whole place... They'll take over this whole place."
Devotee: "They'll convert the whole neighborhood."
Dharmadhyaksa: "They're trying to subvert and infiltrate our philosophy into their neighborhood."
Prabhupada: So they are coming to know what we are. (laughter)
Woman: (in distance) Hare Krsna!
Prabhupada: Thank you very much.
Mexican Woman: Good morning.
Devotees: Hare Krsna!
Prabhupada: Good morning.
Revatinandana: The Mexican people are always a little appreciative. They naturally believe in God.
Prabhupada: Give them invitations. Today is Sunday.
Bahulasva: Yes, Cit-sukhananda is speaking with them.
Prabhupada: No, you have no card? Love feast card? Give them, that "come."
Jagannatha-suta: Jayatirtha has one. [break]
Prabhupada: ...is our enemy, it means Hare Krsna is acting upon him. Yes.
Bahulasva: Like Kamsa.
Prabhupada: Yes. (chuckles) Kamat bhayat krodhat. Either for lust desires or out of fear, out of anger, some way or other, if one is attached to Krsna, his life will be nice. So enemy means krodhat, being angry upon us. "These Hare Krsna people does like that." So he is angry. But that will also be effective. Krodhat.
Tamala Krsna: Krsna is so merciful.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Revatinandana: One day in London a woman came to try to drag her daughter from the temple. She came into the temple room with her shoes on, and one devotee... She would not remove her shoes, so the devotee pulled off her shoes and she fell down. It was almost like she bowed down. She became so angry, she was shouting in front of the Deities, and I dragged her out and had to wrestle her out of the temple, literally wrestling with her to get her out the door. And she came back in with a policeman, and she pretended to have a fainting spell because we had beaten her so badly, she said. And so she said, "Get me some water," but we didn't have any water, so we have her some milk prasadam, and she drank it without thinking what it was. And so in so many ways -- she saw the Deities, she had prasadam, and then she left again, and all this, completely out of anger, but her anger was so strong that she got a lot of association because of it. She was so energetic, I think she could become a devotee some day. [break]
Tamala Krsna: ...in America from India. They are so much impressed, Srila Prabhupada. But the most impressive thing for these life members is to come to America and see our institutions. They have letters of introduction. They don't want to live in the temple generally, but they come to see.
Prabhupada: The other, that member, the same?
Tamala Krsna: Different men. I know. I made these men life members in Bombay, and I happened to be in Washington D.C. when they came there. And they attend the aratis, you know. It's very nice. They are very, very impressed.
Revatinandana: When Kartikeya Mahadevia came to America some time back, he remarked to me that he had come to see all the sights like the Grand Canyon and like that, but primarily he seemed, now he was just simply going from temple to temple because the temples were nice. Nothing else was so nice as he expected.
Bahulasva: Some life members came to San Francisco, and we picked them up in this Mercedes.
Tamala Krsna: Yes, that's him, that same man.
Bahulasva: And they were so impressed that we had such a nice car for greeting the life members. (laughter)
Tamala Krsna: They talked about that. It's the same man I met in Washington D.C., Mr. Poddar.
Bahulasva: Mr. Poddar, yes. They said, "Oh, this is the life member car."
Prabhupada: One gentleman came to see me in Hawaii. He's also life member.
Harikesa: Ramesh Lahoti.
Tamala Krsna: Oh, Mr. Lahoti. Yeah, actually...
Prabhupada: Yes, he knows you very well.
Tamala Krsna: Yes. Actually, that plan to have a tour is a very good plan if it can be arranged. Because if they get convinced here by seeing this, then, when they go there, they'll speak so highly to so many people.
Prabhupada: Yes, yes.
Tamala Krsna: I think that they think that we're bluffing to some extent, but when they come here, they see actually it's not just the pictures that we are showing, but there's something substantial behind the picture. [break]
Dharmadhyaksa: ...the colleges and high schools now that the teachers appreciate the philosophy much more than the students. They have more brain substance, and it's even a possibility many of them will actually become devotees if they have more association because devotees are practically the only intelligent people that they ever get to talk to. Even the other members of the faculty, they are not so intelligent to talk to them. But we went to see one philosopher. He's written seventeen books and he's a distinguished professor of philosophy. We talked to him for three hours, a very famous... His books are used all over the country. He said, "My philosophy is closest to this Hare Krsna philosophy, after you've explained it to me." He will be coming back. He's going on tour. He's retiring. We're also going to try to get him to come to Berkeley.
Revatinandana: Is that the one at Pomona College?
Dharmadhyaksa: No, this is another one at U.S.C., University of Southern California.
Prabhupada: So some professors wanted to see me?
Jayatirtha: Yes. In fact, one is coming over this afternoon.
Brahmananda: Today two are coming.
Dharmadhyaksa: Actually at the University of Southern California around three or four members of the religion department want to come, including the chairman.
Prabhupada: So let them come. [break]
Bahulasva: ...yesterday that Indian gentleman, Dr. Singh? He had become very doubtful when you told him they didn't go to the moon. He was saying, "Do you think they really didn't go?" (laughter) He never thought of that before, that they might have just made a show.
Prabhupada: No. If we believe in our Bhagavata, they have not gone. It is above the sun planet, 1,600,000 miles above. How they can go?
Bahulasva: Srila Prabhupada, at night, when we see in the sky that moon, that is the same moon that is above the sun?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Bahulasva: Yes? So their miscalculations are due to their imperfect senses.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Bhavananda: Srila Prabhupada, I told Madhava dasa in Atlanta that you had said that the sun is actually closer than the moon, and he immediately was able to prove that that is correct. He sat down and he, "Oh..." He was able to prove something by the way they are measuring... They are measuring the distance incorrectly in terms of bending light rays and straight light rays.
Prabhupada: Oh.
Brahmananda: Sometimes the moon comes in front of the sun.
Prabhupada: What is the front?
Brahmananda: Between the sun and the earth the moon comes.
Jagannatha-suta: Lunar eclipse.
Prabhupada: No, no. Eclipse is different, not according to their theory. That planet is called Rahu.
Devotees: Ah yes.
Tamala Krsna: It's not the moon. That's Rahu.
Revatinandana: So Rahu covers sometimes the sun and sometimes the moon?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Bahulasva: This Rahu planet's invisible? We cannot see this with our eyes?
Prabhupada: Yes. Why you believe your eyes so much? (laughter) Nonsense eyes.
Dharmadhyaksa: There's this psychology book, and he says that the light spectrum is this long, and that we can see this much of the spectrum of energy. Very nice, this book makes many points that agree with Krsna conscious philosophy.
Bahulasva: So, Prabhupada, you say that these astronauts have gone to the Rahu planet.
Prabhupada: Yes, they might. That is also very difficult.
Bahulasva: I was trying to arrange a meeting between Your Divine Grace and this astronaut, Dr. Mitchell, and also this other famous scientist, Werner von Braun. But they are on the east coast at this time, so they couldn't come. But they both wrote nice letters that they would like to meet you if they could be in California at the same time.
Revatinandana: This von Braun is a big rocket scientist from the old days. He designed the V-2 missile in Germany during World War II, and then he designed the American missiles during the space program.
Prabhupada: What benefit he has done?
Revatinandana: Well, he's recently said... He retired, and he said now he thinks the only purpose of life is to research about God, to find out about God. He's very famous, so...
Prabhupada: That is good. They have finished already science. Now if they do not come to God, then they are finished. They have nothing to say any more. Athato brahma jijnasa. That is Vedanta. Now they have finished all their so-called talent. Now they have to come to brahma-jijnasa, inquiry about the Supreme. That is their concern now. Now they have cheated public and bluffed them, they are going to this, going to this, but they are all failures. Now they are anxious how to keep their position. That is the problem.
Bahulasva: They get lots of money for their position, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: Because if they are not employed by government with big, big salaries, who will care for them, scientists? Hundreds of scientists may wander or walk in the street. Who will recognize him unless he has got money? I have seen in India. So many scientists are loitering in the street without any employment. Who cares for them?
Dharmadhyaksa: They will have to go on welfare, Prabhupada, pretty soon.
Tamala Krsna: But a saintly person, even he has no money, people care.
Prabhupada: Yes, yes. [break] ...Pandita says, vidvat tvam ca nrpatvam ca naiva tulyam kadacana: "A rich man, or a king, and a learned man, learned vidvan, they should not be compared. There is no comparison." Why? Sva-dese pujyate raja. "A rich man or a king may be worshiped in his kingdom," vidvan sarvatra pujyate, "and if a man is learned, he will be worshiped everywhere." Therefore, he says, "Never compare with rich man with learned man."
Bahulasva: Therefore it's very important that all the devotees study your books so they become learned.
Prabhupada: Yes. Yes. Anarthopasamam saksad [SB 1.7.6]. This is the learning only, to keep them saved from this illusory material energy. [break] ...means knowledge, and this Bhagavatam is the essence cream of Vedas. Nigama-kalpa-taror galitam phalam [SB 1.1.3]. Nigama means Vedas, and this is the galitam phalam, ripened fruit of the tree.
Dharmadhyaksa: Srila Prabhupada, there's one professor... [break]
Prabhupada: ...drags the home. [break] ...living?
Jayatirtha: No. Maybe he is. I think in, he was in Switzerland or some place. [break]
Prabhupada: ...make research about God. Somebody told me?
Brahmananda: Yeah. Dr. Werner von Braun. That has been his conclusion now, at the end of his career. He is interested in meditation and self-realization. (end)
Tamala Krsna: He was not dancing very much, though. So maybe he was not... [break]
Radha-ballabha: Here comes Brahmananda.
Prabhupada: How he comes? (laughing) He is running. Oh, another car?
Bahulasva: Yes. [break]
Tamala Krsna: This not like Juhu.
Prabhupada: Yes. [break] ...Maharaja feeling separation of mayapur.
Tamala Krsna: It's transcendental.
Prabhupada: He has constructed Mayapur. This is very good. Asaktis tad-vasati-sthale. If one becomes attracted in the place of Krsna -- place of Krsna everywhere -- especially where His lila was performed... So Brahmananda, why late today?
Brahmananda: I was in the temple, chanting.
Prabhupada: Oh.
Brahmananda: I didn't think you would come so early.
Prabhupada: It is early?
Brahmananda: Well, earlier than yesterday.
Prabhupada: No, I don't think. What is the time?
Tamala Krsna: Ten minutes to six.
Jayatirtha: Yesterday you left about 5:40 and today you left exactly at 5:30. So...
Brahmananda: I came just after you left.
Prabhupada: I think your watch is slow. (laughter) [break] ...actual time now?
Jayatirtha: It's 5:51.
Prabhupada: Hm? What is my?
Jayatirtha: Your's is about one minute faster.
Prabhupada: And what is your?
Brahmananda: 5:53.
Prabhupada: Fast. [break] ...in my childhood, I remember, I went to see football match in the Maidan.
Tamala Krsna: Calcutta Maidan.
Prabhupada: Yes. So when I was returning -- of course, I was walking -- throughout the whole... At that time our house was that Mullik's house. So from Maidan to Mahatma Gandhi Road I came. And all the watches throughout the road, the same time. Means every watch was, every clock was wrong. But I was going, so I, suppose I saw 5:10 here, then few steps away, 5:10, 5:10, 5:10, like that.
Bhavananda: Not any more.
Prabhupada: Huh?
Bhavananda: In Calcutta it's not that way any more.
Prabhupada: That's very strict in time?
Bhavananda: No, every clock is hours off. (laughter) From each other.
Prabhupada: Hours? (laughs)
Bhavananda: Hours.
Prabhupada: Hare Krsna. [break] ...today?
Tamala Krsna: I think in Los Angeles it is always...
Prabhupada: Always.
Dharmadhyaksa: The month of June, Prabhupada, in California is very cloudy. [break] It was one of the few days that it was sunny.
Prabhupada: Hawaii is clear. Hawaii is clear. Every day we used to see sun.
Jayatirtha: Very beautiful there.
Tamala Krsna: India is like that also.
Prabhupada: [break] ...sinners.
Revatinandana: I think it is a joke, though.
Jayadvaita: Then again commit sins. They'll repent and commit them again.
Prabhupada: Oh yes. Atonement.
Tamala Krsna: Whenever we meet the Christians, they always say that "It doesn't matter because Jesus came to save us from our sins. So now it doesn't matter because we're saved."
Prabhupada: Then Jesus is a fool, and he has taken contract to suffer, and these people are free to commit sin.
Dharmadhyaksa: Jesus actually said...
Prabhupada: And they are so clever that they can make God's son also fool. Over-clever.
Dharmadhyaksa: [break] ...always said, "Your sins are forgiven you, go and sin no more." He always gave that injunction, "Go and sin no more." [break]
Prabhupada: ...is no description of sins in Bible? What are the sins?
Tamala Krsna: Killing, adultery, stealing. They mention it.
Jayatirtha: There are Ten Commandments.
Prabhupada: That is.
Dharmadhyaksa: Worship of demigods. They also say, "Putting any god in front of the one Supreme God." Worshiping matter. [break]
Tamala Krsna: In Berkeley there's this one demon, so-called Christian, and every day he comes out and he stands behind us with a big sign that "You will not achieve anything by your mantras and meditation." And he calls us idol worshipers. And now he writing these big signs, "Don't chant Hare Krsna with them." He chanting... He's writing, "Hare Krsna," and he's telling... (laughter)
Prabhupada: You charge, "Why you are chanting?" [break]
Tamala Krsna: [break] ...day he stands behind us for two hours to three hours of kirtana. He's becoming one of our men now. (laughter) [break]
Revatinandana: ...used to do that but he never came around. He used to be out there every day in Los Angeles for years.
Dharmadhyaksa: Prabhupada? The father of the H-bomb, the man who developed the H-bomb, he retired a week ago, and he said he was very sad that the young people were becoming disgusted with science nowadays, and all the young scientists, they are not as good as the old scientists. They have no desire any more really.
Revatinandana: Edward Teller?
Dharmadhyaksa: Yes. Teller retired.
Prabhupada: Who is he?
Dharmadhyaksa: His name is Edward Teller.
Prabhupada: So what he is?
Revatinandana: He's famous for inventing the H-bomb. He invented the hydrogen bomb.
Revatinandana: Hydrogen bomb. He was the main inventor.
Prabhupada: Oh.
Dharmadhyaksa: Srila Prabhupada, there was a survey of these psychologists, young psychologists, and they asked them whether or not they would like to do research. And the vast majority of the psychologists said no, they don't want to do any research. They don't like to do research because it's all a joke. They don't prove anything. They figure it's a waste of time. [break]
Prabhupada: ...nasau munir yasya matam na bhinnam:" You cannot become a philosopher unless you disagree with other philosopher." Nasau munir yasya matam na bhinnam. [break] ...something drown?
Sudama: Yes, they destroyed an amusement park there, and that got stuck in the water.
Prabhupada: Oh. Why destroy?
Sudama: No one was coming any more.
Prabhupada: All amusement finished.
Sudama: Yes.
Dharmadhyaksa: They did that to get insurance money?
Prabhupada: [break] ...they are becoming disappointed in science, philosophy, amusement. That is good sign. [break]
Dharmadhyaksa: ...we go to colleges, the young people that are working on Ph.D.'s, they are very... (laughs) They say, "We're doing all this research but you can't prove a thing." I ask them, "Well, this experiment, you know, what will it prove?" He says, "Well, it indicates this, it indicates that, but really doesn't prove anything."
Prabhupada: (laughs) It proves only that he's a fool. That is the only...
Dharmadhyaksa: I talked to a very nice Indian gentleman. He's a life member. He's a young Ph.D. in chemistry, Dr. Bhatt. He dedicated his Ph.D. thesis to Krsna.
Prabhupada: Accha?
Dharmadhyaksa: Yes. And he quoted isvarah paramah krsnah sac-cid-ananda-vigrahah [Bs. 5.1]. And I asked him, "What is the practical result of your research?" He said, "Maybe in twenty years they'll find some way to use the research that I am working on."
Prabhupada: So he has dedicated to Krsna, very good. [break] ...also dedicated, our Dr. S..., yes, to Krsna.
Dharmadhyaksa: I was very surprised. I was at his home, and I opened it up, and it said "Dedicated to Sri Krsna, the Supreme Scientist." He quoted Brahma-samhita. [break]
Prabhupada: Dr. Wolfe also believes in Krsna very strongly.
Tamala Krsna: You had a talk with him yesterday?
Prabhupada: He said "I believe in Krsna unconditionally."
Tamala Krsna: What is his specialty?
Prabhupada: He is a linguist, Ph.D. in linguist.
Tamala Krsna: Oh, linguistics.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Bahulasva: Dr. Judah also says like that, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: Accha?
Bahulasva: Yes. He was coming to hear Visnujana and Tamala Krsna do kirtana, every day at Berkeley. He said he liked to come and hear the chanting very much.
Tamala Krsna: Yeah, he comes every day.
Bahulasva: He was very impressed with the bus. He was seeing Radha-Damodara bus. He was very impressed.
Revatinandana: So whenever a devotee visits him, he is very pleased to see the devotees come and visit him also.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Revatinandana: At his office.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krsna: He's a devotee. Nice devotee.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Revatinandana: He's been also to Mayapur, I think, and Vrndavana, and he's associated with you before. So he's had a lot of good association.
Prabhupada: Yes, he saw Tirtha Maharaja, Bon Maharaja.
Tamala Krsna: Yes, he met them.
Bahulasva: He told me that if he was not so entangled with family life, he would want to take sannyasa.
Prabhupada: (laughs) He is family man?
Bahulasva: Yes.
Prabhupada: No, so what is the anxiety? We can take charge of their family. How old he is?
Bahulasva: He's about sixty-five. He's just getting ready to retire. He's retiring this year.
Prabhupada: So retire.
Dharmadhyaksa: He's in very good health, Srila Prabhupada.
Bahulasva: We spoke with him that when we incorporate Berkeley temple as a university, he can be affiliated with that, and he thought that would be very nice.
Prabhupada: Oh. So let him help that our center be affiliated.
Bahulasva: Yes. We were thinking if it was, if it pleased Your Divine Grace, maybe he could teach one class in his book, and we can have some students come there.
Prabhupada: That will be very nice.
Bahulasva: That would be all right?
Prabhupada: Oh, yes.
Dharmadhyaksa: There's this one psychologist. He comes every week to study Krsna consciousness, and he plays some of the bhajana tapes in his office. And there's twenty doctors in his office, and he plays it so all the doctors can hear. And they all come in and ask him, "What is that wonderful music?" He says, "Oh, this is from the Hare Krsna movement." He says, "No, that can't be from the Hare Krsna movement. They just chant and dance on the street the same thing." He says, "No, no, no, this is the Hare Krsna movement." They are very, very pleased. He gives all his patients mantra cards and tells them, "You should go to the temple. This will really help you." [break]
Prabhupada: This is nudie beach?
Tamala Krsna: The nude beach.
Revatinandana: It used to be.
Bahulasva: ...on one side
Revatinandana: At one time they made it legal to be nude here, and then later on, they repealed the law again.
Jayatirtha: Venice? It is still nude, Venice Beach.
Revatinandana: Is it still? Really.
Jayatirtha: You can either come wearing clothes or not wearing clothes to this beach.
Tamala Krsna: Lucky we come early.
Sudama: Just like the monkeys.
Revatinandana: Oh, it was in Laguna that they repealed it.
Prabhupada: But why, then, the lavatory they have made distinction for woman and for men?
Tamala Krsna: Now in the colleges there's no more distinction.
Jayatirtha: Co-educational bathrooms.
Tamala Krsna: One bathroom. One residence, one bathroom...
Revatinandana: The boys and girls live in the same residence on the same floors and use the same bathrooms. Practically there is no restriction on the association. They're not married.
Tamala Krsna: Congress just passed a law that the health education, means the gym, gymnastic classes... Every day there's physical education class?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krsna: Must be co-educational. They must be. They passed a law like that.
Dharmadhyaksa: Soon they'll get so disgusted with this association, they'll all want to become brahmacaris.
Revatinandana: When we noticed that this amusement pier was torn down, I didn't think that it meant that they were less interested in amusement, but they have become more degraded in their approach. The amusement pier... They come here instead to be naked on the beach for their amusement. Or they stay home and use intoxicants mostly. That is increasing. [break] ...like a prostitute house. And almost every place they are, not even one part of the city anymore, but you see them everywhere.
Prabhupada: The woman gives massage?
Revatinandana: Yes. Always advertising, "Beautiful young girls to massage you."
Dharmadhyaksa: This is open prostitution now. They advertise very, very, very badly.
Bahulasva: We had a hearing in Berkeley for our temple, whether or not we could live there, and some neighbors were saying that "These Hare Krsna people are no good because they don't have any sex life and don't take any intoxication."
Jayatirtha: "They hate sex, they hate women, they hate drugs..."
Bahulasva: They said, "They are too pure. They will make this whole place... They'll take over this whole place."
Devotee: "They'll convert the whole neighborhood."
Dharmadhyaksa: "They're trying to subvert and infiltrate our philosophy into their neighborhood."
Prabhupada: So they are coming to know what we are. (laughter)
Woman: (in distance) Hare Krsna!
Prabhupada: Thank you very much.
Mexican Woman: Good morning.
Devotees: Hare Krsna!
Prabhupada: Good morning.
Revatinandana: The Mexican people are always a little appreciative. They naturally believe in God.
Prabhupada: Give them invitations. Today is Sunday.
Bahulasva: Yes, Cit-sukhananda is speaking with them.
Prabhupada: No, you have no card? Love feast card? Give them, that "come."
Jagannatha-suta: Jayatirtha has one. [break]
Prabhupada: ...is our enemy, it means Hare Krsna is acting upon him. Yes.
Bahulasva: Like Kamsa.
Prabhupada: Yes. (chuckles) Kamat bhayat krodhat. Either for lust desires or out of fear, out of anger, some way or other, if one is attached to Krsna, his life will be nice. So enemy means krodhat, being angry upon us. "These Hare Krsna people does like that." So he is angry. But that will also be effective. Krodhat.
Tamala Krsna: Krsna is so merciful.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Revatinandana: One day in London a woman came to try to drag her daughter from the temple. She came into the temple room with her shoes on, and one devotee... She would not remove her shoes, so the devotee pulled off her shoes and she fell down. It was almost like she bowed down. She became so angry, she was shouting in front of the Deities, and I dragged her out and had to wrestle her out of the temple, literally wrestling with her to get her out the door. And she came back in with a policeman, and she pretended to have a fainting spell because we had beaten her so badly, she said. And so she said, "Get me some water," but we didn't have any water, so we have her some milk prasadam, and she drank it without thinking what it was. And so in so many ways -- she saw the Deities, she had prasadam, and then she left again, and all this, completely out of anger, but her anger was so strong that she got a lot of association because of it. She was so energetic, I think she could become a devotee some day. [break]
Tamala Krsna: ...in America from India. They are so much impressed, Srila Prabhupada. But the most impressive thing for these life members is to come to America and see our institutions. They have letters of introduction. They don't want to live in the temple generally, but they come to see.
Prabhupada: The other, that member, the same?
Tamala Krsna: Different men. I know. I made these men life members in Bombay, and I happened to be in Washington D.C. when they came there. And they attend the aratis, you know. It's very nice. They are very, very impressed.
Revatinandana: When Kartikeya Mahadevia came to America some time back, he remarked to me that he had come to see all the sights like the Grand Canyon and like that, but primarily he seemed, now he was just simply going from temple to temple because the temples were nice. Nothing else was so nice as he expected.
Bahulasva: Some life members came to San Francisco, and we picked them up in this Mercedes.
Tamala Krsna: Yes, that's him, that same man.
Bahulasva: And they were so impressed that we had such a nice car for greeting the life members. (laughter)
Tamala Krsna: They talked about that. It's the same man I met in Washington D.C., Mr. Poddar.
Bahulasva: Mr. Poddar, yes. They said, "Oh, this is the life member car."
Prabhupada: One gentleman came to see me in Hawaii. He's also life member.
Harikesa: Ramesh Lahoti.
Tamala Krsna: Oh, Mr. Lahoti. Yeah, actually...
Prabhupada: Yes, he knows you very well.
Tamala Krsna: Yes. Actually, that plan to have a tour is a very good plan if it can be arranged. Because if they get convinced here by seeing this, then, when they go there, they'll speak so highly to so many people.
Prabhupada: Yes, yes.
Tamala Krsna: I think that they think that we're bluffing to some extent, but when they come here, they see actually it's not just the pictures that we are showing, but there's something substantial behind the picture. [break]
Dharmadhyaksa: ...the colleges and high schools now that the teachers appreciate the philosophy much more than the students. They have more brain substance, and it's even a possibility many of them will actually become devotees if they have more association because devotees are practically the only intelligent people that they ever get to talk to. Even the other members of the faculty, they are not so intelligent to talk to them. But we went to see one philosopher. He's written seventeen books and he's a distinguished professor of philosophy. We talked to him for three hours, a very famous... His books are used all over the country. He said, "My philosophy is closest to this Hare Krsna philosophy, after you've explained it to me." He will be coming back. He's going on tour. He's retiring. We're also going to try to get him to come to Berkeley.
Revatinandana: Is that the one at Pomona College?
Dharmadhyaksa: No, this is another one at U.S.C., University of Southern California.
Prabhupada: So some professors wanted to see me?
Jayatirtha: Yes. In fact, one is coming over this afternoon.
Brahmananda: Today two are coming.
Dharmadhyaksa: Actually at the University of Southern California around three or four members of the religion department want to come, including the chairman.
Prabhupada: So let them come. [break]
Bahulasva: ...yesterday that Indian gentleman, Dr. Singh? He had become very doubtful when you told him they didn't go to the moon. He was saying, "Do you think they really didn't go?" (laughter) He never thought of that before, that they might have just made a show.
Prabhupada: No. If we believe in our Bhagavata, they have not gone. It is above the sun planet, 1,600,000 miles above. How they can go?
Bahulasva: Srila Prabhupada, at night, when we see in the sky that moon, that is the same moon that is above the sun?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Bahulasva: Yes? So their miscalculations are due to their imperfect senses.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Bhavananda: Srila Prabhupada, I told Madhava dasa in Atlanta that you had said that the sun is actually closer than the moon, and he immediately was able to prove that that is correct. He sat down and he, "Oh..." He was able to prove something by the way they are measuring... They are measuring the distance incorrectly in terms of bending light rays and straight light rays.
Prabhupada: Oh.
Brahmananda: Sometimes the moon comes in front of the sun.
Prabhupada: What is the front?
Brahmananda: Between the sun and the earth the moon comes.
Jagannatha-suta: Lunar eclipse.
Prabhupada: No, no. Eclipse is different, not according to their theory. That planet is called Rahu.
Devotees: Ah yes.
Tamala Krsna: It's not the moon. That's Rahu.
Revatinandana: So Rahu covers sometimes the sun and sometimes the moon?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Bahulasva: This Rahu planet's invisible? We cannot see this with our eyes?
Prabhupada: Yes. Why you believe your eyes so much? (laughter) Nonsense eyes.
Dharmadhyaksa: There's this psychology book, and he says that the light spectrum is this long, and that we can see this much of the spectrum of energy. Very nice, this book makes many points that agree with Krsna conscious philosophy.
Bahulasva: So, Prabhupada, you say that these astronauts have gone to the Rahu planet.
Prabhupada: Yes, they might. That is also very difficult.
Bahulasva: I was trying to arrange a meeting between Your Divine Grace and this astronaut, Dr. Mitchell, and also this other famous scientist, Werner von Braun. But they are on the east coast at this time, so they couldn't come. But they both wrote nice letters that they would like to meet you if they could be in California at the same time.
Revatinandana: This von Braun is a big rocket scientist from the old days. He designed the V-2 missile in Germany during World War II, and then he designed the American missiles during the space program.
Prabhupada: What benefit he has done?
Revatinandana: Well, he's recently said... He retired, and he said now he thinks the only purpose of life is to research about God, to find out about God. He's very famous, so...
Prabhupada: That is good. They have finished already science. Now if they do not come to God, then they are finished. They have nothing to say any more. Athato brahma jijnasa. That is Vedanta. Now they have finished all their so-called talent. Now they have to come to brahma-jijnasa, inquiry about the Supreme. That is their concern now. Now they have cheated public and bluffed them, they are going to this, going to this, but they are all failures. Now they are anxious how to keep their position. That is the problem.
Bahulasva: They get lots of money for their position, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: Because if they are not employed by government with big, big salaries, who will care for them, scientists? Hundreds of scientists may wander or walk in the street. Who will recognize him unless he has got money? I have seen in India. So many scientists are loitering in the street without any employment. Who cares for them?
Dharmadhyaksa: They will have to go on welfare, Prabhupada, pretty soon.
Tamala Krsna: But a saintly person, even he has no money, people care.
Prabhupada: Yes, yes. [break] ...Pandita says, vidvat tvam ca nrpatvam ca naiva tulyam kadacana: "A rich man, or a king, and a learned man, learned vidvan, they should not be compared. There is no comparison." Why? Sva-dese pujyate raja. "A rich man or a king may be worshiped in his kingdom," vidvan sarvatra pujyate, "and if a man is learned, he will be worshiped everywhere." Therefore, he says, "Never compare with rich man with learned man."
Bahulasva: Therefore it's very important that all the devotees study your books so they become learned.
Prabhupada: Yes. Yes. Anarthopasamam saksad [SB 1.7.6]. This is the learning only, to keep them saved from this illusory material energy. [break] ...means knowledge, and this Bhagavatam is the essence cream of Vedas. Nigama-kalpa-taror galitam phalam [SB 1.1.3]. Nigama means Vedas, and this is the galitam phalam, ripened fruit of the tree.
Dharmadhyaksa: Srila Prabhupada, there's one professor... [break]
Prabhupada: ...drags the home. [break] ...living?
Jayatirtha: No. Maybe he is. I think in, he was in Switzerland or some place. [break]
Prabhupada: ...make research about God. Somebody told me?
Brahmananda: Yeah. Dr. Werner von Braun. That has been his conclusion now, at the end of his career. He is interested in meditation and self-realization. (end)
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Morning Walk -- June 22, 1975, Los Angeles
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