May 13, 1973
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Prabhupada: But if you have got
simply the belly and legs, then it is a dead body. It cannot work properly. The
brain is lost; therefore they are mad after so much advancement of civilization.
They are exactly like cats and dogs. As soon as you enter some country, dog,
watchdog: "Wowf! Wowf! Why you have come? What is your position?" ("Where is
your visa?"?) This is dog's business. This is dog's business. (laughter) And
they have set up immigration department. But it is a dog's business, watchdog. I
say it is watchdog's business. A first-class gentleman is being searched out
pocket, whether you have got revolver. Cannot be trusted, all these educated
rogues and thieves. So what is this advancement of civilization? It is
civilization? No sober man, no intelligent man, all cats and dogs, thieves,
rogues. Is that civilization? It is not civilization.Paramahamsa: The
question I have, Prabhupada is that before scientific advancement, many people
would listen to, like, scriptural knowledge.
Prabhupada: Yes. That means sudras. That I have already said.
Paramahamsa: But now they listen more to scientists.
Prabhupada: That means sudra. Sudras are interested to hear from sudra.
Paramahamsa: For example in the Bible they quote that the world is flat. So therefore when they found out the world is round, they say, "Oh, scripture is false."
Prabhupada: Yes.
Paramahamsa: Scientists, they have proven the truth that the world is round. Therefore scientists...
Prabhupada: Yes. That must be, therefore the scriptures must be transcendental. Nonsense scripture, and people become nonsense. So except Vedic literature, all nonsense scripture. They are not scripture. Manufactured. This Bible was manufactured by the saint, this saint, that, according to their imagination. It was not spoken by Lord Jesus Christ. What was spoken by Jesus Christ, that they ignore: "Thou shalt not kill." They kill. Nobody is following Christian principle; neither Bible is perfect. But that, if we say, we will be shot. (laughter)
Paramahamsa: That is what they do now in the Vietnam. For God they are killing.
Prabhupada: Huh?
Paramahamsa: One of the reasons that the Vietnamese war was beginning was because Communists, being atheists, it was a fight between the theists and the atheists. This was an excuse given.
Prabhupada: Yes. But that is quite all right. We also prepare to kill atheists.
Paramahamsa: But preach first.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Paramahamsa: They don't preach.
Prabhupada: That is, killing is also preaching. If I kill your ignorance, that is also killing. That is also killing. Not... Killing does not mean that everyone has to take the sword.
Paramahamsa: A new method of warfare.
Prabhupada: Yes, it is always there. By argument, by knowledge.
Svarupa Damodara: It's a little wet.
Paramahamsa: Srila Prabhupada, when you are not present with us, how is it possible to receive instructions, for example, on questions that may arise?
Prabhupada: Well, the questions... Answers are there in my books.
Paramahamsa: Other than that, for example, that we would ask you in...
Prabhupada: Yes.
Paramahamsa: Do you direct us also through the heart? Besides the Paramatma?
Prabhupada: If your heart is pure. Everything depends on purity. Whether there. What is this? Sacrificial arena? (laughter)
Paramahamsa: For children, I think. No? For cooking, yeah. (pause)
Prabhupada: (About tennis players) How people are kept into ignorance. Life is so valuable, and they are wasting time in that way. Life is valuable, how life should be utilized, what is the object of life -- they do not know anything.
Svarupa Damodara: Without knowing that the soul is eternal, everybody would be acting like this.
Prabhupada: Yes. That is... Bodily concept of life means animal life. The animal does not know. Sa eva go-kharah [SB 10.84.13]. Go-kharah. Go means cows, and kharah means ass. One who is in the, under bodily concept of life, he is no better than animals. So when the animal talks of knowledge, an intelligent man laughs. That is our position. The animals, they are talking of knowledge.
Paramahamsa: At least, the animals live by certain codes. They do not kill unless necessary. They only eat when necessary, whereas man, he kills unnecessarily, eats unnecessarily. So forgetting God, we are even lower than animals.
Prabhupada: Yes. Therefore we suffer also, more than the animals. (pause) So Krsna consciousness movement is not a bogus religious sentimental movement. It is a scientific movement. So now it is up to you to prove this. Then you will be actually Krsna conscious. (pause) [break]
Svarupa Damodara: So they were saying that everything in the universe is just happening by chance.
Prabhupada: So you are writing book by chance. Then what is the value of your book?
Karandhara: The book is also by chance.
Prabhupada: Yes. Everyone can write chance, so what is your credit? Anything nonsense can be written.
Svarupa Damodara: Monod is his name. He got Nobel Prize in 1965 from... He is Frenchman, physiologist. And his, chance and necessity about life, he said everything started by chance. So he is saying that by chance these chemicals combined together, forming these molecules, the basic molecules...
Prabhupada: But wherefrom the molecules came?
Svarupa Damodara: According to him it is simply by chance.
Prabhupada: Chance. So everything is chance. So what is the necessity of your writing book?
Svarupa Damodara: Then necessity arises, so these molecules re-orient, change as a fashion because of necessity.
Prabhupada: Why? If everything is by chance, where is the necessity? What is the meaning? Let the chance take place. Why necessity?
Paramahamsa: He is hoping for another Nobel Prize by his chance.
Prabhupada: All fools' paradise. That's all. Why do they send their children to school? Why not let them grow by chance? Is there any excuse if I say, "By chance I have violated this rule?" Is that the cause of excuse?
Svarupa Damodara: That's because of my ignorance.
Prabhupada: That is chance. That is chance. Because I am ignorant, therefore there is chance.
Paramahamsa: It would be just as stupid as saying a beautiful instrument like a car was made by chance.
Prabhupada: Yes. Yes. That is the most regrettable condition, that these rascals are getting recognition; talking all foolish, and they are getting recognition.
Svarupa Damodara: It's so strange. When I read that book. He defines the difference between the living and the non-living by a term called teleonomy. I tried to find out in the dictionary and I couldn't find any word like that. But I understood that what he meant was...
Prabhupada: Hyerpolosvel. (Prabhupada's mythical scientific word) (laughter)
Krsna-kanti: He invents his own word jugglery.
Svarupa Damodara: He was trying to present the difference between organic beings and the non-organic beings. So he goes in such a round about fashion just to differentiate.
Prabhupada: Petitio principii. This logic is called petitio principii. He has to prove something, but he is taking his premises from that something. (end)
Prabhupada: Yes. That means sudras. That I have already said.
Paramahamsa: But now they listen more to scientists.
Prabhupada: That means sudra. Sudras are interested to hear from sudra.
Paramahamsa: For example in the Bible they quote that the world is flat. So therefore when they found out the world is round, they say, "Oh, scripture is false."
Prabhupada: Yes.
Paramahamsa: Scientists, they have proven the truth that the world is round. Therefore scientists...
Prabhupada: Yes. That must be, therefore the scriptures must be transcendental. Nonsense scripture, and people become nonsense. So except Vedic literature, all nonsense scripture. They are not scripture. Manufactured. This Bible was manufactured by the saint, this saint, that, according to their imagination. It was not spoken by Lord Jesus Christ. What was spoken by Jesus Christ, that they ignore: "Thou shalt not kill." They kill. Nobody is following Christian principle; neither Bible is perfect. But that, if we say, we will be shot. (laughter)
Paramahamsa: That is what they do now in the Vietnam. For God they are killing.
Prabhupada: Huh?
Paramahamsa: One of the reasons that the Vietnamese war was beginning was because Communists, being atheists, it was a fight between the theists and the atheists. This was an excuse given.
Prabhupada: Yes. But that is quite all right. We also prepare to kill atheists.
Paramahamsa: But preach first.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Paramahamsa: They don't preach.
Prabhupada: That is, killing is also preaching. If I kill your ignorance, that is also killing. That is also killing. Not... Killing does not mean that everyone has to take the sword.
Paramahamsa: A new method of warfare.
Prabhupada: Yes, it is always there. By argument, by knowledge.
Svarupa Damodara: It's a little wet.
Paramahamsa: Srila Prabhupada, when you are not present with us, how is it possible to receive instructions, for example, on questions that may arise?
Prabhupada: Well, the questions... Answers are there in my books.
Paramahamsa: Other than that, for example, that we would ask you in...
Prabhupada: Yes.
Paramahamsa: Do you direct us also through the heart? Besides the Paramatma?
Prabhupada: If your heart is pure. Everything depends on purity. Whether there. What is this? Sacrificial arena? (laughter)
Paramahamsa: For children, I think. No? For cooking, yeah. (pause)
Prabhupada: (About tennis players) How people are kept into ignorance. Life is so valuable, and they are wasting time in that way. Life is valuable, how life should be utilized, what is the object of life -- they do not know anything.
Svarupa Damodara: Without knowing that the soul is eternal, everybody would be acting like this.
Prabhupada: Yes. That is... Bodily concept of life means animal life. The animal does not know. Sa eva go-kharah [SB 10.84.13]. Go-kharah. Go means cows, and kharah means ass. One who is in the, under bodily concept of life, he is no better than animals. So when the animal talks of knowledge, an intelligent man laughs. That is our position. The animals, they are talking of knowledge.
Paramahamsa: At least, the animals live by certain codes. They do not kill unless necessary. They only eat when necessary, whereas man, he kills unnecessarily, eats unnecessarily. So forgetting God, we are even lower than animals.
Prabhupada: Yes. Therefore we suffer also, more than the animals. (pause) So Krsna consciousness movement is not a bogus religious sentimental movement. It is a scientific movement. So now it is up to you to prove this. Then you will be actually Krsna conscious. (pause) [break]
Svarupa Damodara: So they were saying that everything in the universe is just happening by chance.
Prabhupada: So you are writing book by chance. Then what is the value of your book?
Karandhara: The book is also by chance.
Prabhupada: Yes. Everyone can write chance, so what is your credit? Anything nonsense can be written.
Svarupa Damodara: Monod is his name. He got Nobel Prize in 1965 from... He is Frenchman, physiologist. And his, chance and necessity about life, he said everything started by chance. So he is saying that by chance these chemicals combined together, forming these molecules, the basic molecules...
Prabhupada: But wherefrom the molecules came?
Svarupa Damodara: According to him it is simply by chance.
Prabhupada: Chance. So everything is chance. So what is the necessity of your writing book?
Svarupa Damodara: Then necessity arises, so these molecules re-orient, change as a fashion because of necessity.
Prabhupada: Why? If everything is by chance, where is the necessity? What is the meaning? Let the chance take place. Why necessity?
Paramahamsa: He is hoping for another Nobel Prize by his chance.
Prabhupada: All fools' paradise. That's all. Why do they send their children to school? Why not let them grow by chance? Is there any excuse if I say, "By chance I have violated this rule?" Is that the cause of excuse?
Svarupa Damodara: That's because of my ignorance.
Prabhupada: That is chance. That is chance. Because I am ignorant, therefore there is chance.
Paramahamsa: It would be just as stupid as saying a beautiful instrument like a car was made by chance.
Prabhupada: Yes. Yes. That is the most regrettable condition, that these rascals are getting recognition; talking all foolish, and they are getting recognition.
Svarupa Damodara: It's so strange. When I read that book. He defines the difference between the living and the non-living by a term called teleonomy. I tried to find out in the dictionary and I couldn't find any word like that. But I understood that what he meant was...
Prabhupada: Hyerpolosvel. (Prabhupada's mythical scientific word) (laughter)
Krsna-kanti: He invents his own word jugglery.
Svarupa Damodara: He was trying to present the difference between organic beings and the non-organic beings. So he goes in such a round about fashion just to differentiate.
Prabhupada: Petitio principii. This logic is called petitio principii. He has to prove something, but he is taking his premises from that something. (end)
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