Prabhupada: ...said that "This is
our mission. Now whether you'll cooperate?" We cannot make any compromise.
[break]Tamala Krsna: He's going to have to hold regular kirtanas and
arati.
Prabhupada: You have to teach them. But so far the young boys who were there, they were very much impressed.
Tamala Krsna: But they won't change their lives, I'm sure. They...
Prabhupada: Why not?
Tamala Krsna: They're impressed to the point of hearing, let's say, yes.
Prabhupada: If they hear more, they'll change.
Tamala Krsna: Yeah. It's just that I... You know, from our experience here in India, practically the only place that we've made devotees regularly is in Bengal. Other than there, we have not been able to make people give up their ways.
Prabhupada: Why don't you say that "We could not preach"?
Tamala Krsna: Yeah, it's our own fault.
Prabhupada: Why do you blame the other party?
Tamala Krsna: Yes, it's our own fault.
Prabhupada: It is preaching. Preaching means to make Jagai-Madhai a devotee. That is preaching. Simply talking big, big words...
Tamala Krsna: So I'm enthusiastic to go there and to try and get these people to be devotees. I mean, I'm enthusiastic to do that. I'm just... I know that in order for it to work, they have to take it themselves. That...
Prabhupada: Otherwise it is not possible.
Tamala Krsna: No. That was my only point.
Prabhupada: Yes. Where we shall get men?
Tamala Krsna: No, that's the one thing we cannot...
Prabhupada: That I have already clearly said.
Tamala Krsna: But I'm very keen to go there and to associate with the workers there, teach them as much as...
Prabhupada: I am also going there for that. Otherwise...
Tamala Krsna: I think it's a real good challenge. I mean, I feel it's a nice challenge.
Prabhupada: Now the... We can see practically how the system of civilization is bad, that this Indira Gandhi, raksasi, she became exalted in the topmost rank, and she thought... A person who is equally good or more than her, he was imprisoned. Then how the system is bad, that a rogue comes to the topmost post and a good man is put into the prison? Is not the system defective? Imperfect? Some way or other, you can become very important, and the actually important man you can cut down.
Tamala Krsna: Envious system.
Prabhupada: Animal.
Tamala Krsna: Animals are envious also.
Prabhupada: Envious is everywhere. So the whole civilization is so defective. Somehow or other, you come to the power, and you do whatever you like, and the people in general will have to depend on such leaders for their welfare. How they can be happy? If the whole system is defective, how they can be happy? The same man, in one day he's very important, in the next day he's the most degraded. And the most degraded man, previously he was praised by millions of people and next day he's condemned. That means who elevated her to the post, they're all rascals.
Tamala Krsna: Right.
Prabhupada: Sva-vid-varaha-ustra-kharaih samstutah purusah. So what is the value of such election, and what is the value of such important men? Therefore the whole system is condemned. Is it not the fact? Everywhere, not only in India. Not that the actual good man is on the head of the ruling power.
Tamala Krsna: No, rather, they look upon good qualities as weakness.
Prabhupada: Whatever... That they'll achieve.
Tamala Krsna: If someone is humble, they think it is weak.
Prabhupada: (Bengali)
Indian devotee: Chyavana-prash, Prabhu.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Indian devotee: Chyavana-prash.
Bhakti-caru: (Bengali)
Prabhupada: (Bengali) So you are arranging for tickets for how many men?
Tamala Krsna: The party is Your Divine Grace...
Prabhupada: We are four.
Tamala Krsna: We are four. Then Pradyumna...
Prabhupada: And his wife.
Tamala Krsna: ...and his wife and child. And Karttikeya Mahadevia and Yadubara. So including the child, nine. But I don't think we will need a ticket for him. We'll only purchase eight tickets, and if they demand it, then on the plane..., on the train...
Prabhupada: Karttikeya is going to pay?
Tamala Krsna: Well, I would hope so.
Prabhupada: Why hope?
Tamala Krsna: Well I'm going to buy his ticket, but he's going to pay me back. I mean, he charges whenever... Just like I sent a typewriter for cleaning...
Prabhupada: No, no. He is a grhastha. He must pay.
Tamala Krsna: Yeah, I mean... No, I mean, he must pay. No, we're not paying for him. I mean, I'm going to lay the money out for him. No, I guarantee I'll get the money.
Prabhupada: Another thing you say privately. He has got a bad habit. When I am speaking, in the middle he speaks.
Tamala Krsna: This gentleman, Mr. Dwivedi.
Prabhupada: No, no. Karttikeya. He... Nobody should speak when I am speaking.
Tamala Krsna: No.
Prabhupada: Unless he's permitted. That is the etiquette. It is not ordinary talk.
Tamala Krsna: No.
Prabhupada: Everyone should take note of this, and you can privately say, "You never speak like that. The etiquette is: when you are permitted by Guru Maharaja, you can speak," not that "He is speaking. I know better than him. I shall speak something." That's very licentious. It is not ordinary talk. The system is unless he is ordered that "You explain," then nobody can talk. And outsider, they may do. They should not... They also should not, but that is the system. And Visvambhara may... If possible, he can come for one or two days.
Tamala Krsna: I was thinking that same thing, that instead of writing Aksayananda, maybe I should write Visvambhara. Or both of them could come. Do you think it is all right if they both come?
Prabhupada: Hm?
Tamala Krsna: I was thinking the same thing, Srila Prabhupada. So today I have to write a letter. As soon as the ticket is booked, I shall write a letter to Aksayananda Maharaja. One copy we will send in the post, and the other we will give by hand to Nava-yogendra Maharaja. I think it will be a very nice program.
Prabhupada: And if the President comes, it will be very, very nice.
Tamala Krsna: Yeah, that'll give good establishment of our program.
Prabhupada: I can at least present. So, so many people are suffering for want of good leader throughout the whole world. Andha yathandhair upaniyamanah [SB 7.5.31]. They are in ignorance, and some rascals are leading them.
Tamala Krsna: I think it would make...
Prabhupada: And spoiling the chance of human life. Nature's law will go on. If somebody becomes next life a dog... There is possibility. These political leaders are like that. They are not trained up. Just like these dogs at night, they are very busy. Nobody has appointed them. But he is thinking, "I am in charge of this, watching." As soon as one dog will bark, all they, "Oh, gow! There is some important duty. Come on. Come on." And "Gow! Gow! Gow!" (laughs) And who has appointed him? They, all the politicians, are like that. Nobody likes... "Oh, oh, give me vote. Give me vote. I shall give you this arrangement." And barking amongst themselves, "Gow! Gow! Gow!" Therefore I said that the United Nations is an assembly of barking dogs. Actually that is. They cannot do anything. What they have achieved, the United Nations?
Tamala Krsna: Wasting money.
Prabhupada: And each representative of nation, they're talking day and night, and all, they have got their... There was a Mr. Mellon... And he was speaking, and he was showing. He fainted, and people took him, "Oh, he's such a good representative." And what he did, actually?
Tamala Krsna: He fainted?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krsna: What was the cause?
Prabhupada: The cause was Pakistan and India. Pakistan is accusing India, and India is accusing Pakistan in United Nations.
Tamala Krsna: So when Pakistan accused India, he became so shocked that he fainted?
Prabhupada: No, no. They were talking, barking. He was barking, and he was barking. One barking dog became fainted. (laughs) That's all. Nobody could achieve anything.
Tamala Krsna: No.
Prabhupada: They're simply barking, but this weak dog became fainted. That's all.
Tamala Krsna: And they praised him for that.
Prabhupada: Yes. "Oh, he has talked so much." (laughter) I saw that "These two dogs are barking only. One of them fainted."
Tamala Krsna: There was a picture in the newspaper showing the students going to school, and each one of them was shown as a dog with a hat, graduation hat on, comparing the students to dogs. There was a cartoon, very apt.
Prabhupada: Yes, they are creating so many dogs. "Can you give me any service?" "No vacancy! Get out!" And somebody becomes a... "All right, a bit of bread..." And: "Oh, oh, you are so kind." These sudras... The number of sudras have created this world situation so bad. [break] In your country also the farmers wants to go to the city to become educated and never comes back again. They are no more interested.
Tamala Krsna: No. Actually Paramananda was telling me that, you know, he's made some very close friends amongst the farming people, not our own people. So every year he goes back to near New Vrindaban, 'cause he made friends with the local people there, and he spends a week with them, and Devaki-nandana also. So he says that now he helps them. Whenever he goes, he helps them with the farming because their sons are all starting to marry the girls from the city, and they're not so much inclined towards the farming work. So the father and mother, even though they're getting older, they have to more and more work because the children are not helping them.
Prabhupada: The city girl, she does not wish to come.
Tamala Krsna: No. It's too... What should I say?
Prabhupada: They are not faithful wives.
Tamala Krsna: No. They want the cinema and all of the other things. They don't want to work hard. Farm life means to work hard. You have to get out and milk the cows, so many things. They don't want to do this. They want to stay at home.
Prabhupada: Stay home and read fiction and drink.
Tamala Krsna: And watch television. That is the great American sport, watching television. When Mr. Dwivedi and his friends were asking, I went over what our... I gave him an idea of what our menu would be. So he was saying, "So four o'clock in the afternoon will be tea or coffee?" I said, "We don't drink tea or coffee. We don't take cigarette. We don't go to the cinema." Actually I should have told him, "No onions or garlic." I didn't tell him, you know. You'll tell him when we go there.
Prabhupada: You just appoint one local cook. There are good cooks.
Tamala Krsna: Oh, yeah.
Prabhupada: That dal, ruti and purina(?) chutney. If there is no vegetable, you can eat there nicely.
Tamala Krsna: I don't think there'll be any problem at all for the fooding. Actually it seems to me it'll be a very good arrangement in everywhere. Simple but very nice.
Prabhupada: If you can eat dal, ruti with little purina(?) chutney, that is sufficient.
Tamala Krsna: Yeah.
Prabhupada: And at night little milk. Bas, complete food.
Tamala Krsna: Good... He has some... He says they only have pure ghee there.
Prabhupada: That's it. Very nice.
Tamala Krsna: And I told him, "Cow's milk?" He said, "Yes, we can arrange." Everything he has. They have basmati rice. He says, "That's all we eat is basmati rice." Nice ata, and everything they say...
Prabhupada: No, their climate is very nice. So you could accept it. If such things are available, now you'll get appetite and your health will increase.
Tamala Krsna: Actually it's a fact. I remember that when I was traveling in Bhopal, and even in Bihar also -- Bihar is similar climate; Bihar is similar -- that I got a much bigger appetite in the summertime.
Prabhupada: Bhopal is better than Bihar.
Tamala Krsna: Better. Very dry. He is known to everyone for many hundreds of miles around. He's a very well known man because he's...
Prabhupada: No, he is a sincere worker. Therefore he approached me. From Vrndavana, Gwalior is very near, within hundred miles. So Visvambhara can transfer, come, come there to..., to see. Let us first of all settle up. My, this farming program, theoretically there is no comparison. But practically people are accustomed in different way. To bring them to the program it will take some time. Otherwise my program is assured happiness, happiness assurance, if they get... Have your own food grown. Keep cows. Have your own crops. Chant Hare Krsna.
Tamala Krsna: That goes for all over the world.
Prabhupada: Don't go to the city. That is my determination. The hellish city. In city nobody has got the opportunity for living in such comfortable place. It is all Krsna's mercy that we have got. Otherwise if you go to the Bombay city, even here, these pigeon holes, three small rooms... It is not expected that everyone will be able to live in such palatial building. That is not possible. Even they have no bathroom in Bombay. In the room, in the corner, there is a tap, and you have to go to the public well, latrine. This is the system. So whole family will take advantage of the corner tap and then have to go to public latrine. There is no bathroom.
Tamala Krsna: No sewer system?
Prabhupada: No, sewer system. [break] ...each toilet for fifty men. They are in line in the same building. One after another you get chance. You have got dysentery, then it is... Then you...
Tamala Krsna: You have to take a bucket.
Prabhupada: So nasty. You come here. [break] Vivekananda, so on, so on, so on, so on... If I had been in political power, I would have killed.
Tamala Krsna: Hanged.
Prabhupada: No, hanged. They are not guru. They are not missionaries. They do not know. They have no knowledge. And missionaries? You see? The so-called politicians, philosopher, religionists, rascals, distorting the meaning of Bhagavad-gita. And yato mata tato patha. And "I like. Whatever I like, I can speak, and that is supported." What is this? Chaotic condition. There is no standard. We are giving the standard, Bhagavad-gita As It Is. And Gandhi said, "Oh, how can I stop cow-killing? It is their religion." Just see. Such a rascal. "My religion is to kill others, and it should be supported by the government." Such a foolish man, they are on the government power. Pariksit Maharaja, did he consider that? "So you are killing cow? You must be killed." That's all. Life for life. "It is my religion, sir." "Then get out here! Get out of my kingdom! Perform your religion outside." This is king. This is government. He said like that, Kali. You know?
Tamala Krsna: Yes.
Prabhupada: "Yes, all right, I don't interfere with your business, but not... You leave my kingdom. Get out."
Tamala Krsna: Yes. Kali said that "You have given me nowhere to live now, 'cause in your kingdom there is no such place."
Prabhupada: Yes. "Therefore I say, get out from my kingdom. I don't care for your religion or business, but you cannot do within my kingdom." And that is king. If I have to flatter you for vote, "Yes, whatever you like, you can do. Give me vote," is that government?
Tamala Krsna: No.
Prabhupada: I follow this. To accept me as guru I have to flatter you -- I don't follow. If you want to hear me, then you become my disciple. Otherwise go to hell. Don't want. Here many big men came. And big men means the businessmen, big... I refused "If you cannot follow the instructions..." When they are in office there is some income. Nanda, he is driven out from office after some time, at least twenty years. Then he was given post. Long time. What he has done? He has taken from Haryana government some crores of rupees and he has made his own statue, fifty thousand. He has made his own statue. (laughs) He appreciates his own activities. This is their politician. Just like our Bon Maharaja. He has done so. He does not wait for his death. He knows, "After death everyone will forget me. So let my, let me make my own statue, a tirtha in this asrama." He wanted to...
Tamala Krsna: He has a statue?
Prabhupada: Yes. That is... He has done. Like this Nanda has done this. And he's sticking to his whimsical policy. I wanted to mix with him, and I thought that he'll be useful. Useless. Manava-dharma "man's religion" I asked him several times that "Is there any dog's religion? You have manufactured that." Religion means man's religion. That much he can do. Manava-dharma. He is educated, intelligent, buddhi -- with no brain. I have studied. And he's a good man also, but no intelligence. I have studied all these rascals. So long they are in office, by the power of office they are useful. Otherwise they are useless. Just like my books they are appreciating. They have never seen me. Not that because I am guru of some temple... They appreciate my work. That is real appreciation. "What you have done? What remains behind? All for the...(?)" Anyway, do something. Do. People are... [break]
Tamala Krsna: Blowing?
Prabhupada: Yes, blowing with mouth.
Tamala Krsna: Blowing with mouth.
Prabhupada: So they have got business, blowing with mouth in three ways.
Tamala Krsna: The brahmanas.
Prabhupada: What is that? First of all, if they are third class, then blowing in the oven, fire.
Tamala Krsna: Blowing in the...?
Prabhupada: The oven. (laughter) He is third class. And the second class, blowing in the conchshell, pujari. And first class? Blowing in the ear and becoming spiritual master. (laughter) But their business is...
Tamala Krsna: Blowing.
Prabhupada: Either here or in the conchshell or in the fire, first, second, third. This is a very..., said three way.
Tamala Krsna: Bengali language has so many...
Prabhupada: Bengalis are very poetic. That's a fact.
Tamala Krsna: Very witty also.
Prabhupada: Ah, yes. Brahmanera tin phun. Phun. Phun means...
Tamala Krsna: Blowing.
Prabhupada: Three phuns.
Tamala Krsna: Three breaths, I think.
Prabhupada: Yes. So they are... We say, phun. So this phun or this phun or this phun. (laughs) Keep account how much you are taking.
Tamala Krsna: Yes. (long pause)
Prabhupada: I think he wanted 150 rupees two ways.
Tamala Krsna: Huh? Yes. So I say sixty, sixty-five rupees one way times three, because first class is three times the cost. So I'm giving him two hundred rupees per person, and he'll give me the receipt and change.
Prabhupada: No, in the ticket there is price written. In the ticket.
Tamala Krsna: In the ticket, yes. And he's also honest man. But I will check. (long pause)
Prabhupada: The reservations should be four. Three opposite. Throughout the car also(?).
Tamala Krsna: No, no, no, no. We're going to get two full compartments, four and four. No, we're not... Because I want both compartments full, because we have so much expensive luggage and machines, we could not let anybody else into our compartments, and they must be locked at every... That's understood. Ramesvara called you the other night, and we gave him the answers to our call. He said that Gurukrpa Maharaja was requesting that I write him a letter saying that they actually require the second $100,000 for construction.
Prabhupada: No mail?
Tamala Krsna: There's no mail today because yesterday was Sunday. (long pause) (end)
Prabhupada: You have to teach them. But so far the young boys who were there, they were very much impressed.
Tamala Krsna: But they won't change their lives, I'm sure. They...
Prabhupada: Why not?
Tamala Krsna: They're impressed to the point of hearing, let's say, yes.
Prabhupada: If they hear more, they'll change.
Tamala Krsna: Yeah. It's just that I... You know, from our experience here in India, practically the only place that we've made devotees regularly is in Bengal. Other than there, we have not been able to make people give up their ways.
Prabhupada: Why don't you say that "We could not preach"?
Tamala Krsna: Yeah, it's our own fault.
Prabhupada: Why do you blame the other party?
Tamala Krsna: Yes, it's our own fault.
Prabhupada: It is preaching. Preaching means to make Jagai-Madhai a devotee. That is preaching. Simply talking big, big words...
Tamala Krsna: So I'm enthusiastic to go there and to try and get these people to be devotees. I mean, I'm enthusiastic to do that. I'm just... I know that in order for it to work, they have to take it themselves. That...
Prabhupada: Otherwise it is not possible.
Tamala Krsna: No. That was my only point.
Prabhupada: Yes. Where we shall get men?
Tamala Krsna: No, that's the one thing we cannot...
Prabhupada: That I have already clearly said.
Tamala Krsna: But I'm very keen to go there and to associate with the workers there, teach them as much as...
Prabhupada: I am also going there for that. Otherwise...
Tamala Krsna: I think it's a real good challenge. I mean, I feel it's a nice challenge.
Prabhupada: Now the... We can see practically how the system of civilization is bad, that this Indira Gandhi, raksasi, she became exalted in the topmost rank, and she thought... A person who is equally good or more than her, he was imprisoned. Then how the system is bad, that a rogue comes to the topmost post and a good man is put into the prison? Is not the system defective? Imperfect? Some way or other, you can become very important, and the actually important man you can cut down.
Tamala Krsna: Envious system.
Prabhupada: Animal.
Tamala Krsna: Animals are envious also.
Prabhupada: Envious is everywhere. So the whole civilization is so defective. Somehow or other, you come to the power, and you do whatever you like, and the people in general will have to depend on such leaders for their welfare. How they can be happy? If the whole system is defective, how they can be happy? The same man, in one day he's very important, in the next day he's the most degraded. And the most degraded man, previously he was praised by millions of people and next day he's condemned. That means who elevated her to the post, they're all rascals.
Tamala Krsna: Right.
Prabhupada: Sva-vid-varaha-ustra-kharaih samstutah purusah. So what is the value of such election, and what is the value of such important men? Therefore the whole system is condemned. Is it not the fact? Everywhere, not only in India. Not that the actual good man is on the head of the ruling power.
Tamala Krsna: No, rather, they look upon good qualities as weakness.
Prabhupada: Whatever... That they'll achieve.
Tamala Krsna: If someone is humble, they think it is weak.
Prabhupada: (Bengali)
Indian devotee: Chyavana-prash, Prabhu.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Indian devotee: Chyavana-prash.
Bhakti-caru: (Bengali)
Prabhupada: (Bengali) So you are arranging for tickets for how many men?
Tamala Krsna: The party is Your Divine Grace...
Prabhupada: We are four.
Tamala Krsna: We are four. Then Pradyumna...
Prabhupada: And his wife.
Tamala Krsna: ...and his wife and child. And Karttikeya Mahadevia and Yadubara. So including the child, nine. But I don't think we will need a ticket for him. We'll only purchase eight tickets, and if they demand it, then on the plane..., on the train...
Prabhupada: Karttikeya is going to pay?
Tamala Krsna: Well, I would hope so.
Prabhupada: Why hope?
Tamala Krsna: Well I'm going to buy his ticket, but he's going to pay me back. I mean, he charges whenever... Just like I sent a typewriter for cleaning...
Prabhupada: No, no. He is a grhastha. He must pay.
Tamala Krsna: Yeah, I mean... No, I mean, he must pay. No, we're not paying for him. I mean, I'm going to lay the money out for him. No, I guarantee I'll get the money.
Prabhupada: Another thing you say privately. He has got a bad habit. When I am speaking, in the middle he speaks.
Tamala Krsna: This gentleman, Mr. Dwivedi.
Prabhupada: No, no. Karttikeya. He... Nobody should speak when I am speaking.
Tamala Krsna: No.
Prabhupada: Unless he's permitted. That is the etiquette. It is not ordinary talk.
Tamala Krsna: No.
Prabhupada: Everyone should take note of this, and you can privately say, "You never speak like that. The etiquette is: when you are permitted by Guru Maharaja, you can speak," not that "He is speaking. I know better than him. I shall speak something." That's very licentious. It is not ordinary talk. The system is unless he is ordered that "You explain," then nobody can talk. And outsider, they may do. They should not... They also should not, but that is the system. And Visvambhara may... If possible, he can come for one or two days.
Tamala Krsna: I was thinking that same thing, that instead of writing Aksayananda, maybe I should write Visvambhara. Or both of them could come. Do you think it is all right if they both come?
Prabhupada: Hm?
Tamala Krsna: I was thinking the same thing, Srila Prabhupada. So today I have to write a letter. As soon as the ticket is booked, I shall write a letter to Aksayananda Maharaja. One copy we will send in the post, and the other we will give by hand to Nava-yogendra Maharaja. I think it will be a very nice program.
Prabhupada: And if the President comes, it will be very, very nice.
Tamala Krsna: Yeah, that'll give good establishment of our program.
Prabhupada: I can at least present. So, so many people are suffering for want of good leader throughout the whole world. Andha yathandhair upaniyamanah [SB 7.5.31]. They are in ignorance, and some rascals are leading them.
Tamala Krsna: I think it would make...
Prabhupada: And spoiling the chance of human life. Nature's law will go on. If somebody becomes next life a dog... There is possibility. These political leaders are like that. They are not trained up. Just like these dogs at night, they are very busy. Nobody has appointed them. But he is thinking, "I am in charge of this, watching." As soon as one dog will bark, all they, "Oh, gow! There is some important duty. Come on. Come on." And "Gow! Gow! Gow!" (laughs) And who has appointed him? They, all the politicians, are like that. Nobody likes... "Oh, oh, give me vote. Give me vote. I shall give you this arrangement." And barking amongst themselves, "Gow! Gow! Gow!" Therefore I said that the United Nations is an assembly of barking dogs. Actually that is. They cannot do anything. What they have achieved, the United Nations?
Tamala Krsna: Wasting money.
Prabhupada: And each representative of nation, they're talking day and night, and all, they have got their... There was a Mr. Mellon... And he was speaking, and he was showing. He fainted, and people took him, "Oh, he's such a good representative." And what he did, actually?
Tamala Krsna: He fainted?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krsna: What was the cause?
Prabhupada: The cause was Pakistan and India. Pakistan is accusing India, and India is accusing Pakistan in United Nations.
Tamala Krsna: So when Pakistan accused India, he became so shocked that he fainted?
Prabhupada: No, no. They were talking, barking. He was barking, and he was barking. One barking dog became fainted. (laughs) That's all. Nobody could achieve anything.
Tamala Krsna: No.
Prabhupada: They're simply barking, but this weak dog became fainted. That's all.
Tamala Krsna: And they praised him for that.
Prabhupada: Yes. "Oh, he has talked so much." (laughter) I saw that "These two dogs are barking only. One of them fainted."
Tamala Krsna: There was a picture in the newspaper showing the students going to school, and each one of them was shown as a dog with a hat, graduation hat on, comparing the students to dogs. There was a cartoon, very apt.
Prabhupada: Yes, they are creating so many dogs. "Can you give me any service?" "No vacancy! Get out!" And somebody becomes a... "All right, a bit of bread..." And: "Oh, oh, you are so kind." These sudras... The number of sudras have created this world situation so bad. [break] In your country also the farmers wants to go to the city to become educated and never comes back again. They are no more interested.
Tamala Krsna: No. Actually Paramananda was telling me that, you know, he's made some very close friends amongst the farming people, not our own people. So every year he goes back to near New Vrindaban, 'cause he made friends with the local people there, and he spends a week with them, and Devaki-nandana also. So he says that now he helps them. Whenever he goes, he helps them with the farming because their sons are all starting to marry the girls from the city, and they're not so much inclined towards the farming work. So the father and mother, even though they're getting older, they have to more and more work because the children are not helping them.
Prabhupada: The city girl, she does not wish to come.
Tamala Krsna: No. It's too... What should I say?
Prabhupada: They are not faithful wives.
Tamala Krsna: No. They want the cinema and all of the other things. They don't want to work hard. Farm life means to work hard. You have to get out and milk the cows, so many things. They don't want to do this. They want to stay at home.
Prabhupada: Stay home and read fiction and drink.
Tamala Krsna: And watch television. That is the great American sport, watching television. When Mr. Dwivedi and his friends were asking, I went over what our... I gave him an idea of what our menu would be. So he was saying, "So four o'clock in the afternoon will be tea or coffee?" I said, "We don't drink tea or coffee. We don't take cigarette. We don't go to the cinema." Actually I should have told him, "No onions or garlic." I didn't tell him, you know. You'll tell him when we go there.
Prabhupada: You just appoint one local cook. There are good cooks.
Tamala Krsna: Oh, yeah.
Prabhupada: That dal, ruti and purina(?) chutney. If there is no vegetable, you can eat there nicely.
Tamala Krsna: I don't think there'll be any problem at all for the fooding. Actually it seems to me it'll be a very good arrangement in everywhere. Simple but very nice.
Prabhupada: If you can eat dal, ruti with little purina(?) chutney, that is sufficient.
Tamala Krsna: Yeah.
Prabhupada: And at night little milk. Bas, complete food.
Tamala Krsna: Good... He has some... He says they only have pure ghee there.
Prabhupada: That's it. Very nice.
Tamala Krsna: And I told him, "Cow's milk?" He said, "Yes, we can arrange." Everything he has. They have basmati rice. He says, "That's all we eat is basmati rice." Nice ata, and everything they say...
Prabhupada: No, their climate is very nice. So you could accept it. If such things are available, now you'll get appetite and your health will increase.
Tamala Krsna: Actually it's a fact. I remember that when I was traveling in Bhopal, and even in Bihar also -- Bihar is similar climate; Bihar is similar -- that I got a much bigger appetite in the summertime.
Prabhupada: Bhopal is better than Bihar.
Tamala Krsna: Better. Very dry. He is known to everyone for many hundreds of miles around. He's a very well known man because he's...
Prabhupada: No, he is a sincere worker. Therefore he approached me. From Vrndavana, Gwalior is very near, within hundred miles. So Visvambhara can transfer, come, come there to..., to see. Let us first of all settle up. My, this farming program, theoretically there is no comparison. But practically people are accustomed in different way. To bring them to the program it will take some time. Otherwise my program is assured happiness, happiness assurance, if they get... Have your own food grown. Keep cows. Have your own crops. Chant Hare Krsna.
Tamala Krsna: That goes for all over the world.
Prabhupada: Don't go to the city. That is my determination. The hellish city. In city nobody has got the opportunity for living in such comfortable place. It is all Krsna's mercy that we have got. Otherwise if you go to the Bombay city, even here, these pigeon holes, three small rooms... It is not expected that everyone will be able to live in such palatial building. That is not possible. Even they have no bathroom in Bombay. In the room, in the corner, there is a tap, and you have to go to the public well, latrine. This is the system. So whole family will take advantage of the corner tap and then have to go to public latrine. There is no bathroom.
Tamala Krsna: No sewer system?
Prabhupada: No, sewer system. [break] ...each toilet for fifty men. They are in line in the same building. One after another you get chance. You have got dysentery, then it is... Then you...
Tamala Krsna: You have to take a bucket.
Prabhupada: So nasty. You come here. [break] Vivekananda, so on, so on, so on, so on... If I had been in political power, I would have killed.
Tamala Krsna: Hanged.
Prabhupada: No, hanged. They are not guru. They are not missionaries. They do not know. They have no knowledge. And missionaries? You see? The so-called politicians, philosopher, religionists, rascals, distorting the meaning of Bhagavad-gita. And yato mata tato patha. And "I like. Whatever I like, I can speak, and that is supported." What is this? Chaotic condition. There is no standard. We are giving the standard, Bhagavad-gita As It Is. And Gandhi said, "Oh, how can I stop cow-killing? It is their religion." Just see. Such a rascal. "My religion is to kill others, and it should be supported by the government." Such a foolish man, they are on the government power. Pariksit Maharaja, did he consider that? "So you are killing cow? You must be killed." That's all. Life for life. "It is my religion, sir." "Then get out here! Get out of my kingdom! Perform your religion outside." This is king. This is government. He said like that, Kali. You know?
Tamala Krsna: Yes.
Prabhupada: "Yes, all right, I don't interfere with your business, but not... You leave my kingdom. Get out."
Tamala Krsna: Yes. Kali said that "You have given me nowhere to live now, 'cause in your kingdom there is no such place."
Prabhupada: Yes. "Therefore I say, get out from my kingdom. I don't care for your religion or business, but you cannot do within my kingdom." And that is king. If I have to flatter you for vote, "Yes, whatever you like, you can do. Give me vote," is that government?
Tamala Krsna: No.
Prabhupada: I follow this. To accept me as guru I have to flatter you -- I don't follow. If you want to hear me, then you become my disciple. Otherwise go to hell. Don't want. Here many big men came. And big men means the businessmen, big... I refused "If you cannot follow the instructions..." When they are in office there is some income. Nanda, he is driven out from office after some time, at least twenty years. Then he was given post. Long time. What he has done? He has taken from Haryana government some crores of rupees and he has made his own statue, fifty thousand. He has made his own statue. (laughs) He appreciates his own activities. This is their politician. Just like our Bon Maharaja. He has done so. He does not wait for his death. He knows, "After death everyone will forget me. So let my, let me make my own statue, a tirtha in this asrama." He wanted to...
Tamala Krsna: He has a statue?
Prabhupada: Yes. That is... He has done. Like this Nanda has done this. And he's sticking to his whimsical policy. I wanted to mix with him, and I thought that he'll be useful. Useless. Manava-dharma "man's religion" I asked him several times that "Is there any dog's religion? You have manufactured that." Religion means man's religion. That much he can do. Manava-dharma. He is educated, intelligent, buddhi -- with no brain. I have studied. And he's a good man also, but no intelligence. I have studied all these rascals. So long they are in office, by the power of office they are useful. Otherwise they are useless. Just like my books they are appreciating. They have never seen me. Not that because I am guru of some temple... They appreciate my work. That is real appreciation. "What you have done? What remains behind? All for the...(?)" Anyway, do something. Do. People are... [break]
Tamala Krsna: Blowing?
Prabhupada: Yes, blowing with mouth.
Tamala Krsna: Blowing with mouth.
Prabhupada: So they have got business, blowing with mouth in three ways.
Tamala Krsna: The brahmanas.
Prabhupada: What is that? First of all, if they are third class, then blowing in the oven, fire.
Tamala Krsna: Blowing in the...?
Prabhupada: The oven. (laughter) He is third class. And the second class, blowing in the conchshell, pujari. And first class? Blowing in the ear and becoming spiritual master. (laughter) But their business is...
Tamala Krsna: Blowing.
Prabhupada: Either here or in the conchshell or in the fire, first, second, third. This is a very..., said three way.
Tamala Krsna: Bengali language has so many...
Prabhupada: Bengalis are very poetic. That's a fact.
Tamala Krsna: Very witty also.
Prabhupada: Ah, yes. Brahmanera tin phun. Phun. Phun means...
Tamala Krsna: Blowing.
Prabhupada: Three phuns.
Tamala Krsna: Three breaths, I think.
Prabhupada: Yes. So they are... We say, phun. So this phun or this phun or this phun. (laughs) Keep account how much you are taking.
Tamala Krsna: Yes. (long pause)
Prabhupada: I think he wanted 150 rupees two ways.
Tamala Krsna: Huh? Yes. So I say sixty, sixty-five rupees one way times three, because first class is three times the cost. So I'm giving him two hundred rupees per person, and he'll give me the receipt and change.
Prabhupada: No, in the ticket there is price written. In the ticket.
Tamala Krsna: In the ticket, yes. And he's also honest man. But I will check. (long pause)
Prabhupada: The reservations should be four. Three opposite. Throughout the car also(?).
Tamala Krsna: No, no, no, no. We're going to get two full compartments, four and four. No, we're not... Because I want both compartments full, because we have so much expensive luggage and machines, we could not let anybody else into our compartments, and they must be locked at every... That's understood. Ramesvara called you the other night, and we gave him the answers to our call. He said that Gurukrpa Maharaja was requesting that I write him a letter saying that they actually require the second $100,000 for construction.
Prabhupada: No mail?
Tamala Krsna: There's no mail today because yesterday was Sunday. (long pause) (end)
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Morning Talk -- April 25, 1977, Bombay
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