Denver, November 26, 1975
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Prabhupada: [break] If one is fool,
where is the question of searching out? If he has got the right knowledge, why
there should be searching? Searching means he is not in knowledge.
[break]Harikesa: It may be true that we have no knowledge, but we don't
think we need God to...
Prabhupada: "Maybe" means rascal. As soon as you say "maybe," you are a rascal, immediately. There is no other argument. As soon as you say "maybe," that means you are a rascal.
Harikesa: Well, definitely we don't know.
Prabhupada: Therefore rascal. (laughter) Therefore rascal. We definitely know Krsna, the origin of everything. That is definite, not "It may be." We don't say "Krsna may be." No. Definitely. Krsnas tu bhagavan svayam [SB 1.3.28]. Here is Bhagavan. Here is God. That is definite. Therefore our professor...
Hamsaduta: Svarupa Damodara?
Prabhupada: No, no. Who has written foreword to my Bhagavad-gita?
Harikesa: Dimmock.
Prabhupada: Dimmock. "Here is definitive..."
Hamsaduta: Version.
Nitai: "Definitive edition."
Prabhupada: "Definitive edition." That is the credit. Not "may be." No "maybe," sir. That is rascaldom.
Harikesa: In our social science we find that God is only necessary to define the unknown. Otherwise He has no purpose.
Prabhupada: No, our God is not unknown. Known. We know God's residence. We know God's father, God's mother, God's activities, God's friends. Everything we know. There is no "maybe."
Harikesa: Just like in the former days when the savages saw thunderbolts...
Prabhupada: The savage... You may be savage. We are not savage. You may be savage, but we are not savage. We are civilized.
Harikesa: Therefore we don't have so many unknown things, so we don't need God.
Prabhupada: Huh?
Harikesa: We're civilized, so we have so many things we know now, so we don't need God.
Prabhupada: No, we know everything. Who says we do not know? We know everything.
Harikesa: I'm playing the part... (laughs)
Prabhupada: We know everything. Yasmin vijnate sarvam idam vijnatam bhavanti. This is the Vedic statement. If you know God, then you know everything. Yasmin vijnate sarvam idam vijnatam.
Harikesa: The materialists think, though, that the less you know, the more you need God.
Prabhupada: Huh?
Harikesa: The less you know, the more you need God.
Prabhupada: Therefore we say they are rascal and fools. This is the... What is this "House of Soviet Culture"? So why don't you arrange a meeting here? Yes.
Aksayananda: A nice place for a meeting.
Prabhupada: Huh?
Aksayananda: That's the best place for a meeting.
Prabhupada: Yes. What is Soviet culture? We shall challenge them. Yes. We can challenge them because we know they are rascals. Mudha [break]
Harikesa: Religion is simply to keep people satisfied, that's all.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Harikesa: Religion is simply to keep people satisfied. It's the "opiate of the masses."
Prabhupada: That's all right, but you have no satisfaction even. Your culture is so bad that you are not satisfied even. Then you are better. Everyone is looking after satisfaction. So you have no satisfaction even. So you are less than animal.
Harikesa: Well, at least everybody is not satisfied equally, so there's no envy.
Prabhupada: Because you are, everybody is not learned, everybody is rascal. Therefore he is not satisfied. If one is in knowledge he is satisfied.
Harikesa: But religion is just sentimentality. There's no...
Prabhupada: You do not know what is religion. Therefore we do not accept sentimental religion. We say it is cheating. Such kind of religion, we say it is cheating.
Harikesa: You can't eat religion.
Prabhupada: Huh?
Harikesa: If you spend all your days just chanting, how can you eat? Religion means you go to the church and you just pray.
Prabhupada: And who says that religionists should not eat? Do we say...? We have ample prasadam to eat. It is already there. You are researching after food, starving dog. We don't research. There is food ready.
Harikesa: But we're just exploiting.
Prabhupada: Krsna bada day maya, karibare jihv jaya, sva-prasada anna dilo bhai. Krsna is ready. Take prasadam as much as you like.
Harikesa: The Communists will say we're just exploiting.
Prabhupada: The Communists may say, but we don't say. They are hungry people, they may say. We are not hungry. Our food is supplied by Krsna. Yoga-ksemam vahamy aham [Bg. 9.22]. He brings food. So why should the Communists? So we shall go further or return? Hm?
Hamsaduta: Which way?
Devotee (2): Do you want to go further, Srila Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: I can go. What is time?
Harikesa: Almost seven. [break]
Prabhupada: [break] ...road?
Devotee (2): This is Curzon Road.
Prabhupada: Curzon Road. [break] ...religion, we say "cheating religion." We don't accept sentimentally.
Harikesa: Well, the sentiment is the faith. The dictionary definition, sentimentalism is the faith.
Prabhupada: Yes. Faith is good, provided you have faith on the superior. That is good.
Harikesa: So faith in knowledge.
Prabhupada: Yes. Knowledge means received from the superior. Like the child gets knowledge from the father. That kind of faith is required. If the child does not believe the statement of father and mother, he cannot make any progress. If the child does not believe the statement of mother, he does not know who is his father. So there must be faith, faith in the right person. Then it is all right. If you have got faith in the person who has got eyes to lead you, then he will help you to cross the road. And if you put your faith to another blind man like you, then it will cause disaster. Faith is required, but to the right person. Then it will be all right. You know that one barber is honest: then you can make your neck like this and he is with a sharpened razor. But you have faith that "He will not cut my throat; he will shave me." This is faith. And if you do not know him and if you put your neck like this and if he is a rogue, he will cut your throat. That's all. The same faith, if you put it to the right person, you become cleansed, shaved, and the same faith put in the wrong person -- your throat is cut off. So you must know where to put the faith. So our Vedic injunction is: "Put your faith to the brahma-nistam, one who is God-realized." Tad-vijnanartham sa gurum evabhigacchet samit-panih srotriyam brahma-nistam: [MU 1.2.12] "One who has full knowledge in the Vedas and firmly fixed up in Brahman, God, you put your faith there." Otherwise there will be disaster. Right faith. [break] ...you call Prabhakara?
Tejas: I called him on the phone.
Prabhupada: He is here?
Tejas: Yes. I don't know why he didn't come.
Harikesa: So actually the one thing that makes Krsna consciousness different from other religious processes is the practical application of knowledge.
Prabhupada: Yes. Full knowledge, perfect knowledge. And other religious systems, they have no knowledge. They say of God something but they do not know what is God. We know what is God and who is God. That is the difference.
Devotee (3): But they have no pure devotee in which to put their faith.
Prabhupada: Huh?
Devotee (3): They have no one in which to put their faith.
Prabhupada: Whatever they may be, put because they do not know God, therefore it is cheating. Just see, India's capital and so dirty thing.
Harikesa: You were saying about Eisenhower and Nehru?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Harikesa: Nehru was trying to hide the villages.
Prabhupada: But any intelligent man can understand. Any foreigner who will come will understand how India is poverty-stricken by this picture. (?)
Harikesa: It seems like the strongest preaching point or platform is the presence of a pure soul.
Prabhupada: Huh?
Harikesa: The presence of a pure soul, someone who is wrapped up actually in love of God, is sufficient.
Prabhupada: Faithful servant of God. He can preach. He is authorized. He has got the power of attorney. Krsna sakti vin nahe nama pracara.
Harikesa: I was thinking on Juhu Beach, these men have been walking by now for four years, and actually none of them have heard you speak, or maybe a few, but now they are all coming and touching your feet.
Aksayananda: [break] ...two-year visas now, they must have more faith in you now, Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: Huh?
Aksayananda: They must have more faith in you now in India because they're giving us two-year visa. Faith must be improving...
Prabhupada: Yes.
Aksayananda: ...in the right person.
Prabhupada: They should have that knowledge, that we are doing the best service to the humanity. It is better late than never. [break] ...position so they may not lose their faith.
Aksayananda: Position should be pure.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Aksayananda: Remain pure.
Prabhupada: Earth teachers. (?) [break]
Harikesa: ...next conference.
Devotee (4): They're all trying to learn Russian here, Srila Prabhupada, for when the Russians come and take over their country. [break]
Prabhupada: ...the talk amongst the high-court judges. So when there was fierce fighting was going on between the Germans and the Allies, so during their relaxed hours, the judges were sitting. So one, the Chief Justice of Calcutta, he asked one Justice Mukherjee. So Justice Mukherjee was very... He was vice-chancellor. So he asked him, "Mr. Mukherjee, now the Germans are coming. What you will do when they come?" He said, "Yes, as soon as they come, we shall: 'Come on sir, come on sir, come on sir.' We shall receive them." "Why?" "Now, you have taught us like that. You British people, you have taught us. (laughter) Our business is to receive. Anyone comes, we shall receive him. That's all."
Devotee (4): And they will do the same with the Russians.
Prabhupada: Yes. [break]
Harikesa: It seems like they are preparing now by eating lots of meat and drinking a lot of alcohol.
Prabhupada: They cannot prepare us. That is the difference. Even they are preparing, but they cannot prepare us. That is the difference between fools and man with knowledge. [break] ...was existing? No. New temple.
Hamsaduta: I don't know. They're still in the process of building it.
Prabhupada: [break] Yes. Make samosa and halava.
Harikesa: For lunch?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Harikesa: For lunch. [break]
Hamsaduta: I couldn't follow the numbers. I just heard that so much for sleeping, so much for the toilet, so much... The noise of the machine... I couldn't follow the years.
Prabhupada: Out of hundred years, fifty years-sleeping. And fifty years balance twenty years-playing. And twenty years-old age, invalid. And ten years-frustration. Bas. (laughter)
Devotee (5): Prabhupada said Prahlada Maharaja said (unclear).
Prabhupada: Yes, yes. Hundred years finished and then become a dog. This is civilization. You got the hundred years for getting out of these material clutches, janma-mrtyu-jara-vyadhi [Bg. 13.9], but one will not do that. How spoiling civilization.
Gopala Krsna: In the Fifth Canto it is very nicely described how for each sinful activity a person goes to a separate type of hellish planet.
Prabhupada: But they do not accept this, such a foolish person.
Gopala Krsna: Any sane man, if he found out what the consequences will be, he would listen to the Srimad-Bhagavatam.
Prabhupada: They do not believe next life, that, to dismiss all these ideas. If there is no next life... Bhasmi bhutasya... Atheists, they do not believe next life. All big, big men in Europe, they say, "No, there is no life." Here also.
Hamsaduta: They will say, "We have no evidence, no evidence of..."
Prabhupada: Evidence is there. Still, you are so rascal. Evidence is you were a child. That is the evidence. Where is that body? A very simple evidence, but these rascals are so dull, they cannot understand.
Gopala Krsna: They accept what is good for their sense gratification, and what is not good, they won't accept.
Prabhupada: And where is sense gratification? [break]
Harikesa: Everything is unmanifest in the beginning, manifest in the middle, and unmanifest at the end. So why should I care for anything in this lifetime?
Prabhupada: Hm?
Harikesa: If it's all unmanifest in the beginning, it's only manifest in the middle, and it's unmanifest again at the end, why should I care about anything this life?
Prabhupada: Then why you are making so much arrangement for sense gratification?
Harikesa: Well, I can enjoy while I've got it.
Prabhupada: But why... If it is not manifested, what is the enjoyment?
Gopala Krsna: Harikesa?
Prabhupada: You know Bengali?
Devotee (4): No, Subhaga has spoken to me, Srila Prabhupada.
Harikesa: Well, it's better to enjoy than to suffer.
Prabhupada: And where is enjoyment? The thief also thinks like that: "Let me enjoy by stealing." Then, when he goes to the prison, then his enjoyment finished. If somebody gives you so many rasagulla, that "You take this rasagulla, and after finishing, I shall beat you with shoes," then will you take? (laughter) This is enjoyment. No sane man will like to enjoy like that. "Take this rasagulla, and after this, I will beat you with shoes, as many rasagulla you have taken." Will you take it?
Harikesa: Yes, but I eat rasagullas every day and nobody beats me with shoes.
Prabhupada: Why the other day you told me, "I am now not... I cannot see. My brain is..."? Is it not beating with shoes? (laughter) Eh? Don't you agree?
Indian man (5): (Hindi)
Prabhupada: Huh? Everyone, but they are so rascal.
Harikesa: One famous psychologist, psychiatrist, said there is a pleasure and pain principle, that everyone wants as much pleasure as possible and as little pain as possible. So because we have to suffer and enjoy, why not make enjoyment as much as possible and reduce the suffering? [break]
Prabhupada: They are vacant?
Hamsaduta: No, they look occupied.
Prabhupada: [break] ...big building.
Hamsaduta: Some kind of auditorium.
Harisauri: [break] Art.
Prabhupada: Art. Some art. Art, music
Harikesa: It's very enjoyable to hear music.
Prabhupada: Hm. [break] So why don't you come here?
Gopala Krsna: Haryana?
Prabhupada: Yes, and take information.
Gopala Krsna: Yes. I don't know if this is their offices. We'll check.
Prabhupada: Yes. Take immediately that. No, no, what is this?
Gopala Krsna: Come at nine o'clock.
Prabhupada: So near. You can come. [break] It is published, that the wood... Now it is no green leaves. Why? What is missing? If they are so expert, inject something and it will have green leaves like that. [break] ...I mean to say, trucks they are rejected in your country. We do not see such buses. What is this house?
Harikesa: It's a college. It's a girls' college.
Prabhupada: [break] How to kill child. This is education. Huh? Educated girl means how to divorce husband, how to kill child. Is it not? Educated, modern educated girl means how to become unfaithful to the husband, how to divorce and how to kill child.
Gopala Krsna: How to get equal rights.
Prabhupada: No, equal rights, that's all right. This is the education. The uneducated girls do not do this. [break]
Harikesa: This is very funny.
Prabhupada: What is that?
Harikesa: It says, "Invincible are the Korean people who are rallied firmly with one ideology and will under the brilliant rays of the immortal juch (?) idea of Comrade..."
Prabhupada: All ideals.
Indian man (6): This is South Korea or North Korea?
Harikesa: South, I think.
Prabhupada: Hare Krsna. Jaya. [break]
Harikesa: They are becoming very advanced, making big skyscrapers.
Gopala Krsna: It's a big hotel.
Prabhupada: Hotel? Oh.
Tejas: Hotel and office.
Prabhupada: Those who are not cooperating...
Gopala Krsna: They should be asked to leave.
Prabhupada: Yes. They must cooperate.
Gopala Krsna: [break] The problem that these foreign, some of these foreign devotees that have come lately, they have been such loose devotees that the temple presidents, they want to get rid of them; they are sending them to India. Three people came from Rupanuga's zone; and they were all useless devotees. They won't listen. They just ran away from Bombay. So I wrote a very strong letter to Rupanuga Prabhu. I said, you know, they should screen the devotees before they send them to India. What they are doing is they are sending their rejected devotees to India. If any devotee is not good in their zone they say, "Okay, we'll send them to India." But here we have such big projects that we need devotees who will follow the rules strictly and who will listen to authorities.
Prabhupada: So tell them. If they have rejected and you also reject them, where they will go? Hm?
Gopala Krsna: No, we will train them, but these devotees don't cooperate very much. (end)
Prabhupada: "Maybe" means rascal. As soon as you say "maybe," you are a rascal, immediately. There is no other argument. As soon as you say "maybe," that means you are a rascal.
Harikesa: Well, definitely we don't know.
Prabhupada: Therefore rascal. (laughter) Therefore rascal. We definitely know Krsna, the origin of everything. That is definite, not "It may be." We don't say "Krsna may be." No. Definitely. Krsnas tu bhagavan svayam [SB 1.3.28]. Here is Bhagavan. Here is God. That is definite. Therefore our professor...
Hamsaduta: Svarupa Damodara?
Prabhupada: No, no. Who has written foreword to my Bhagavad-gita?
Harikesa: Dimmock.
Prabhupada: Dimmock. "Here is definitive..."
Hamsaduta: Version.
Nitai: "Definitive edition."
Prabhupada: "Definitive edition." That is the credit. Not "may be." No "maybe," sir. That is rascaldom.
Harikesa: In our social science we find that God is only necessary to define the unknown. Otherwise He has no purpose.
Prabhupada: No, our God is not unknown. Known. We know God's residence. We know God's father, God's mother, God's activities, God's friends. Everything we know. There is no "maybe."
Harikesa: Just like in the former days when the savages saw thunderbolts...
Prabhupada: The savage... You may be savage. We are not savage. You may be savage, but we are not savage. We are civilized.
Harikesa: Therefore we don't have so many unknown things, so we don't need God.
Prabhupada: Huh?
Harikesa: We're civilized, so we have so many things we know now, so we don't need God.
Prabhupada: No, we know everything. Who says we do not know? We know everything.
Harikesa: I'm playing the part... (laughs)
Prabhupada: We know everything. Yasmin vijnate sarvam idam vijnatam bhavanti. This is the Vedic statement. If you know God, then you know everything. Yasmin vijnate sarvam idam vijnatam.
Harikesa: The materialists think, though, that the less you know, the more you need God.
Prabhupada: Huh?
Harikesa: The less you know, the more you need God.
Prabhupada: Therefore we say they are rascal and fools. This is the... What is this "House of Soviet Culture"? So why don't you arrange a meeting here? Yes.
Aksayananda: A nice place for a meeting.
Prabhupada: Huh?
Aksayananda: That's the best place for a meeting.
Prabhupada: Yes. What is Soviet culture? We shall challenge them. Yes. We can challenge them because we know they are rascals. Mudha [break]
Harikesa: Religion is simply to keep people satisfied, that's all.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Harikesa: Religion is simply to keep people satisfied. It's the "opiate of the masses."
Prabhupada: That's all right, but you have no satisfaction even. Your culture is so bad that you are not satisfied even. Then you are better. Everyone is looking after satisfaction. So you have no satisfaction even. So you are less than animal.
Harikesa: Well, at least everybody is not satisfied equally, so there's no envy.
Prabhupada: Because you are, everybody is not learned, everybody is rascal. Therefore he is not satisfied. If one is in knowledge he is satisfied.
Harikesa: But religion is just sentimentality. There's no...
Prabhupada: You do not know what is religion. Therefore we do not accept sentimental religion. We say it is cheating. Such kind of religion, we say it is cheating.
Harikesa: You can't eat religion.
Prabhupada: Huh?
Harikesa: If you spend all your days just chanting, how can you eat? Religion means you go to the church and you just pray.
Prabhupada: And who says that religionists should not eat? Do we say...? We have ample prasadam to eat. It is already there. You are researching after food, starving dog. We don't research. There is food ready.
Harikesa: But we're just exploiting.
Prabhupada: Krsna bada day maya, karibare jihv jaya, sva-prasada anna dilo bhai. Krsna is ready. Take prasadam as much as you like.
Harikesa: The Communists will say we're just exploiting.
Prabhupada: The Communists may say, but we don't say. They are hungry people, they may say. We are not hungry. Our food is supplied by Krsna. Yoga-ksemam vahamy aham [Bg. 9.22]. He brings food. So why should the Communists? So we shall go further or return? Hm?
Hamsaduta: Which way?
Devotee (2): Do you want to go further, Srila Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: I can go. What is time?
Harikesa: Almost seven. [break]
Prabhupada: [break] ...road?
Devotee (2): This is Curzon Road.
Prabhupada: Curzon Road. [break] ...religion, we say "cheating religion." We don't accept sentimentally.
Harikesa: Well, the sentiment is the faith. The dictionary definition, sentimentalism is the faith.
Prabhupada: Yes. Faith is good, provided you have faith on the superior. That is good.
Harikesa: So faith in knowledge.
Prabhupada: Yes. Knowledge means received from the superior. Like the child gets knowledge from the father. That kind of faith is required. If the child does not believe the statement of father and mother, he cannot make any progress. If the child does not believe the statement of mother, he does not know who is his father. So there must be faith, faith in the right person. Then it is all right. If you have got faith in the person who has got eyes to lead you, then he will help you to cross the road. And if you put your faith to another blind man like you, then it will cause disaster. Faith is required, but to the right person. Then it will be all right. You know that one barber is honest: then you can make your neck like this and he is with a sharpened razor. But you have faith that "He will not cut my throat; he will shave me." This is faith. And if you do not know him and if you put your neck like this and if he is a rogue, he will cut your throat. That's all. The same faith, if you put it to the right person, you become cleansed, shaved, and the same faith put in the wrong person -- your throat is cut off. So you must know where to put the faith. So our Vedic injunction is: "Put your faith to the brahma-nistam, one who is God-realized." Tad-vijnanartham sa gurum evabhigacchet samit-panih srotriyam brahma-nistam: [MU 1.2.12] "One who has full knowledge in the Vedas and firmly fixed up in Brahman, God, you put your faith there." Otherwise there will be disaster. Right faith. [break] ...you call Prabhakara?
Tejas: I called him on the phone.
Prabhupada: He is here?
Tejas: Yes. I don't know why he didn't come.
Harikesa: So actually the one thing that makes Krsna consciousness different from other religious processes is the practical application of knowledge.
Prabhupada: Yes. Full knowledge, perfect knowledge. And other religious systems, they have no knowledge. They say of God something but they do not know what is God. We know what is God and who is God. That is the difference.
Devotee (3): But they have no pure devotee in which to put their faith.
Prabhupada: Huh?
Devotee (3): They have no one in which to put their faith.
Prabhupada: Whatever they may be, put because they do not know God, therefore it is cheating. Just see, India's capital and so dirty thing.
Harikesa: You were saying about Eisenhower and Nehru?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Harikesa: Nehru was trying to hide the villages.
Prabhupada: But any intelligent man can understand. Any foreigner who will come will understand how India is poverty-stricken by this picture. (?)
Harikesa: It seems like the strongest preaching point or platform is the presence of a pure soul.
Prabhupada: Huh?
Harikesa: The presence of a pure soul, someone who is wrapped up actually in love of God, is sufficient.
Prabhupada: Faithful servant of God. He can preach. He is authorized. He has got the power of attorney. Krsna sakti vin nahe nama pracara.
Harikesa: I was thinking on Juhu Beach, these men have been walking by now for four years, and actually none of them have heard you speak, or maybe a few, but now they are all coming and touching your feet.
Aksayananda: [break] ...two-year visas now, they must have more faith in you now, Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: Huh?
Aksayananda: They must have more faith in you now in India because they're giving us two-year visa. Faith must be improving...
Prabhupada: Yes.
Aksayananda: ...in the right person.
Prabhupada: They should have that knowledge, that we are doing the best service to the humanity. It is better late than never. [break] ...position so they may not lose their faith.
Aksayananda: Position should be pure.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Aksayananda: Remain pure.
Prabhupada: Earth teachers. (?) [break]
Harikesa: ...next conference.
Devotee (4): They're all trying to learn Russian here, Srila Prabhupada, for when the Russians come and take over their country. [break]
Prabhupada: ...the talk amongst the high-court judges. So when there was fierce fighting was going on between the Germans and the Allies, so during their relaxed hours, the judges were sitting. So one, the Chief Justice of Calcutta, he asked one Justice Mukherjee. So Justice Mukherjee was very... He was vice-chancellor. So he asked him, "Mr. Mukherjee, now the Germans are coming. What you will do when they come?" He said, "Yes, as soon as they come, we shall: 'Come on sir, come on sir, come on sir.' We shall receive them." "Why?" "Now, you have taught us like that. You British people, you have taught us. (laughter) Our business is to receive. Anyone comes, we shall receive him. That's all."
Devotee (4): And they will do the same with the Russians.
Prabhupada: Yes. [break]
Harikesa: It seems like they are preparing now by eating lots of meat and drinking a lot of alcohol.
Prabhupada: They cannot prepare us. That is the difference. Even they are preparing, but they cannot prepare us. That is the difference between fools and man with knowledge. [break] ...was existing? No. New temple.
Hamsaduta: I don't know. They're still in the process of building it.
Prabhupada: [break] Yes. Make samosa and halava.
Harikesa: For lunch?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Harikesa: For lunch. [break]
Hamsaduta: I couldn't follow the numbers. I just heard that so much for sleeping, so much for the toilet, so much... The noise of the machine... I couldn't follow the years.
Prabhupada: Out of hundred years, fifty years-sleeping. And fifty years balance twenty years-playing. And twenty years-old age, invalid. And ten years-frustration. Bas. (laughter)
Devotee (5): Prabhupada said Prahlada Maharaja said (unclear).
Prabhupada: Yes, yes. Hundred years finished and then become a dog. This is civilization. You got the hundred years for getting out of these material clutches, janma-mrtyu-jara-vyadhi [Bg. 13.9], but one will not do that. How spoiling civilization.
Gopala Krsna: In the Fifth Canto it is very nicely described how for each sinful activity a person goes to a separate type of hellish planet.
Prabhupada: But they do not accept this, such a foolish person.
Gopala Krsna: Any sane man, if he found out what the consequences will be, he would listen to the Srimad-Bhagavatam.
Prabhupada: They do not believe next life, that, to dismiss all these ideas. If there is no next life... Bhasmi bhutasya... Atheists, they do not believe next life. All big, big men in Europe, they say, "No, there is no life." Here also.
Hamsaduta: They will say, "We have no evidence, no evidence of..."
Prabhupada: Evidence is there. Still, you are so rascal. Evidence is you were a child. That is the evidence. Where is that body? A very simple evidence, but these rascals are so dull, they cannot understand.
Gopala Krsna: They accept what is good for their sense gratification, and what is not good, they won't accept.
Prabhupada: And where is sense gratification? [break]
Harikesa: Everything is unmanifest in the beginning, manifest in the middle, and unmanifest at the end. So why should I care for anything in this lifetime?
Prabhupada: Hm?
Harikesa: If it's all unmanifest in the beginning, it's only manifest in the middle, and it's unmanifest again at the end, why should I care about anything this life?
Prabhupada: Then why you are making so much arrangement for sense gratification?
Harikesa: Well, I can enjoy while I've got it.
Prabhupada: But why... If it is not manifested, what is the enjoyment?
Gopala Krsna: Harikesa?
Prabhupada: You know Bengali?
Devotee (4): No, Subhaga has spoken to me, Srila Prabhupada.
Harikesa: Well, it's better to enjoy than to suffer.
Prabhupada: And where is enjoyment? The thief also thinks like that: "Let me enjoy by stealing." Then, when he goes to the prison, then his enjoyment finished. If somebody gives you so many rasagulla, that "You take this rasagulla, and after finishing, I shall beat you with shoes," then will you take? (laughter) This is enjoyment. No sane man will like to enjoy like that. "Take this rasagulla, and after this, I will beat you with shoes, as many rasagulla you have taken." Will you take it?
Harikesa: Yes, but I eat rasagullas every day and nobody beats me with shoes.
Prabhupada: Why the other day you told me, "I am now not... I cannot see. My brain is..."? Is it not beating with shoes? (laughter) Eh? Don't you agree?
Indian man (5): (Hindi)
Prabhupada: Huh? Everyone, but they are so rascal.
Harikesa: One famous psychologist, psychiatrist, said there is a pleasure and pain principle, that everyone wants as much pleasure as possible and as little pain as possible. So because we have to suffer and enjoy, why not make enjoyment as much as possible and reduce the suffering? [break]
Prabhupada: They are vacant?
Hamsaduta: No, they look occupied.
Prabhupada: [break] ...big building.
Hamsaduta: Some kind of auditorium.
Harisauri: [break] Art.
Prabhupada: Art. Some art. Art, music
Harikesa: It's very enjoyable to hear music.
Prabhupada: Hm. [break] So why don't you come here?
Gopala Krsna: Haryana?
Prabhupada: Yes, and take information.
Gopala Krsna: Yes. I don't know if this is their offices. We'll check.
Prabhupada: Yes. Take immediately that. No, no, what is this?
Gopala Krsna: Come at nine o'clock.
Prabhupada: So near. You can come. [break] It is published, that the wood... Now it is no green leaves. Why? What is missing? If they are so expert, inject something and it will have green leaves like that. [break] ...I mean to say, trucks they are rejected in your country. We do not see such buses. What is this house?
Harikesa: It's a college. It's a girls' college.
Prabhupada: [break] How to kill child. This is education. Huh? Educated girl means how to divorce husband, how to kill child. Is it not? Educated, modern educated girl means how to become unfaithful to the husband, how to divorce and how to kill child.
Gopala Krsna: How to get equal rights.
Prabhupada: No, equal rights, that's all right. This is the education. The uneducated girls do not do this. [break]
Harikesa: This is very funny.
Prabhupada: What is that?
Harikesa: It says, "Invincible are the Korean people who are rallied firmly with one ideology and will under the brilliant rays of the immortal juch (?) idea of Comrade..."
Prabhupada: All ideals.
Indian man (6): This is South Korea or North Korea?
Harikesa: South, I think.
Prabhupada: Hare Krsna. Jaya. [break]
Harikesa: They are becoming very advanced, making big skyscrapers.
Gopala Krsna: It's a big hotel.
Prabhupada: Hotel? Oh.
Tejas: Hotel and office.
Prabhupada: Those who are not cooperating...
Gopala Krsna: They should be asked to leave.
Prabhupada: Yes. They must cooperate.
Gopala Krsna: [break] The problem that these foreign, some of these foreign devotees that have come lately, they have been such loose devotees that the temple presidents, they want to get rid of them; they are sending them to India. Three people came from Rupanuga's zone; and they were all useless devotees. They won't listen. They just ran away from Bombay. So I wrote a very strong letter to Rupanuga Prabhu. I said, you know, they should screen the devotees before they send them to India. What they are doing is they are sending their rejected devotees to India. If any devotee is not good in their zone they say, "Okay, we'll send them to India." But here we have such big projects that we need devotees who will follow the rules strictly and who will listen to authorities.
Prabhupada: So tell them. If they have rejected and you also reject them, where they will go? Hm?
Gopala Krsna: No, we will train them, but these devotees don't cooperate very much. (end)
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Morning Walk -- November 26, 1975, New Delhi
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