Conversations With A Realized Master: November 2012

Thursday, November 29, 2012

Ask Rascal Incarnations to... Pass Fragrant Stool

Srimad-Bhagavatam 5.5.33
Vrndavana, November 22, 1976

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Pradyumna: "Because Lord Rsabhadeva remained in that condition, the public did not disturb Him, but no bad aroma emanated from His stool and urine. Quite the contrary, His stool and urine were so aromatic that they filled eighty miles of the countryside with a pleasant fragrance."

Prabhupada:

tasya ha yah purisa-surabhi-saugandhya-vayus tam desam dasa-yojanam samantat surabhim cakara

[SB 5.5.33]

So here is incarnation of God, Rsabhadeva. Now there are so many rascal incarnation. Is it possible to pass stool and make it surabhi? Is it possible? So you can ask these rascals incarnation that "Pass your stool here. Let us see first of all. Then we shall accept you." Practical. "We are fools and rascals. We want practical test." So sastra-caksusah. This is the injunction, sastra. Here is sastra, that the incarnation of God, even He passes stool, it is fragrant. He can do it. That is God. That practically you can see, that the cow dung... Cow dung, you can make a stack of cow dung here. It will never disturb you. You'll, rather, feel pleasure, passing through that portion of field where cow dung is stacked. You'll never feel any disturbance because it is pure. Cow dung... We have discussed this point many times. Where it is impure, that it makes pure. In Indian villages, still they use cow dung for smearing over the floor, and it becomes very nice, fresh, and purified. That is injunction of the sastra, that cow dung is pure. So if by the will of Krsna, by the arrangement of Krsna, even an animal's stool can become so purified, what to speak of Krsna's stool?

But param bhavam ajanantah. They do not know it, what is transcendental body, aprakrta, sac-cid-ananda-vigraha [Bs. 5.1], and what is the difference between this body and that body. Mudha, they do not know. Avajananti mam mudha manusim tanum asritam [Bg. 9.11]. Therefore they consider that "The Krsna's body and my body is the same. If He has become God, so why shall not I become God?" But that is not possible. His body is transcendental; your body is not transcendental. Your body is this rotten earth, water, fire, pannca-bhautika. You cannot compare with that. In this way, as it is stated in the Brahma-samhita, His body is completely different from our body. Angani yasya sakalendriya-vrttimanti, we sing every day in the morning. His body is so made that He can do everything and anything by any part of the body. There are many instances. Just like generally we find a person is born from the yoni. Therefore we call sarva-yoni. But Maha-Visnu or Garbhodakasayi Visnu, He did not take any help from his wife to give birth to a son, Lord Brahma. He generated from His navel. This is called angani yasya sakalendriya-vrttimanti. We have to see that. Where is that instance ordinarily that a child is born from the navel? But He can do that. A child is born from female. That is from the yoni. But here is, a living creature is born from the navel, and that is also purusa. So these things are there. And Krsna, He exhibited, manifested, His virata-rupa. So He can do everything and anything because His body is not this body. Isvarah paramah krsnah sac-cid-ananda-vigrahah [Bs. 5.1]. That is sac-cid-ananda-vigrahah.

You cannot compare Krsna's body with our body. If you do that, then you must be a mudha, rascal. Don't do that. Krsna is always transcendental, divyam. Janma karma ca me divyam [Bg. 4.9]. This divya you should understand. Yo janati tattvatah. He is liberated person. Anyone who knows what is Krsna, immediately he becomes liberated. Janma karma ca me divyam yo janati tattvatah [Bg. 4.9]. It is not so easy to understand Krsna in truth. It requires time. He... Not all of a sudden you can understand. But if you stick to devotional service, sevonmukhe hi jihvadau svayam eva sphuraty adah [Brs. 1.2.234], then He reveals. When you engage your tongue... It is also wonderful. To understand Krsna, you require your tongue. Generally we understand by seeing or by hearing. Hearing is there, but here it is recommended tongue, especially. Why tongue is used? Because if you simply chant Hare Krsna by your tongue and taste Krsna prasadam, you will understand Krsna. Sevonmukhe hi jihvadau svayam eva sphuraty adah. If you make it a promise that "I shall not talk anything except Krsna's message," and if you promise that "I shall not take anything which is not offered to Krsna," these two things, this prasadam and chanting, will make you perfect to understand Krsna. In another place Krsna says, mayy asakta-manah partha yogam yunjan mad-asrayah. This is yoga, bhakti-yoga. How easy it is. There are so many yogas, but if you practice bhakti-yoga you become first-class yogi.

yoginam api sarvesam
mad-gatenantaratmana
sraddhavan bhajate yo mam
sa me yuktatamo matah
[Bg. 6.47]

So it is very easy, bhakti-yoga. It is not at all difficult. You haven't got to strain your body as in other hatha-yoga practice you have to very undergo hardship, to sit in a particular posture, in a particular place. These things are stated in the Bhagavad-gita. Not that you become yogi in a fashionable city as you'll find nowadays, yoga-asrama signboard in a fashionable house, and you show some gymnastic, you become a yogi and get some money. Not that. This is bhakti-yoga, begins from jihva. Exercise your jihva, tongue; then you become a perfect yogi.

mayy asakta-manah partha
yogam yunjan mad-asrayah
asamsayam samagram...

Samagram. Krsna you understand fully, not partially. Not partially means not simply understanding impersonal Brahman. That is partial understanding. And then localized Paramatma, that is also partial understanding. But when you understand Krsna, the Supreme Person, that is full understanding. So you simply concentrate your mind unto the person of Krsna, mayy asakta-manah. Here is Krsna. We can see Krsna. So if we simply concentrate our mind, meditation Sa vai manah krsna-padaravindayor vacamsi vaikuntha-gunanuvarnane [SB 9.4.18]. This was the practice done by Ambarisa Maharaja.

So Durvasa Muni, he was a great yogi, and he became very much envious that "Here is a person who is a grhastha and a ksatriya, he is not even a brahmana, and he does not practice anything. He is always engaged in his royal activities, and this man is so famous as a great person, great devotee. So I'll chastise him. I'll show." So he wanted to pick up some quarrel with Ambarisa Maharaja, and on dvadasi day he approached there with sixty thousand disciples and he said, "Maharaja, arrange for our prasadam. We..." "Yes, welcome." But his purpose was different. So he went to take bath in the Ganges and Yamuna, and then he came late. In the meantime he had to observe dvadasi-parana. With the advice of the brahmanas he took little water. The brahmanas advised, "Maharaja, water is food and no food. It has no actually food value. So your guest has not returned as yet. You can take little water and observe the completion of dvadasi." So he did it, and Durvasa came very angry, that "I am your guest, and you have taken food?" That is not food, little water. So he wanted to chastise him. He created a big giant to kill the Maharaja.

So immediately Krsna's promise... Kaunteya pratijanihi na me bhaktah pranasyati [Bg. 9.31]. Immediately sudarsana-cakra came and killed that demon immediately, and then he pursued Durvasa Muni. Durvasa Muni first of all approached Lord Siva because he was devotee of Siva: "Please give me protection." He said, "Oh, it is not possible for me. If sudarsana-cakra is after you, I cannot do anything." Then similarly, he approached Brahma. So he also said, "No, this is not possible." Then he was so powerful that he approached Lord Visnu even, personally, in the Vaikunthaloka. He refused to help him. He said, "Durvasa Muni, unless you beg pardon from Ambarisa Maharaja, there is no question of excusing you. The sudarsana-cakra will not excuse." Therefore Vaisnava aparadha is very, very offensive. You should be very careful. Caitanya Mahaprabhu has warned vaisnava aparadha, hati mata. Vaisnava aparadha, offense at the feet of Vaisnava, is exactly like mad elephant. If a mad elephant enters your garden, then he spoils everything. This has been given. Vaisnava aparadha means hati mata. Mata means mad, and hati means elephant. So we should be very, very careful not to commit any offense at the feet of Vaisnava. Vaisnava does not take any offense. He does not care who is offender, but Krsna takes care. Krsna will never tolerate if a person is Vaisnava aparadha. Mind that. Just like a big man. You can offend him, he doesn't mind. But if he does something harmful to his child, so he becomes very angry.

Similarly, here also, Lord Visnu... Just see how much powerful was Durvasa Muni that he could cross over the material universe and go to the Vaikuntha universe and see the Lord personally. How much powerful yogi he was, just you can... There is no such yogi, at least at the present moment. He could see, but he was refused by Lord Visnu, and he came back to Ambarisa Maharaja, and Ambarisa Maharaja was standing without aking any food, that "This brahmana came at my place. Somehow or other, unnecessarily he became angry and he has left. So unless he comes back, I cannot take any food." So he took only one year. The modern scientists, they are estimating that to go to the topmost planet of this universe, it will take forty thousands of years. That is their estimation. Now, Durvasa Muni, by his yogic power, he not only crossed over this material space and the material universe, but he went to the other space, paravyoma, where he saw Lord Visnu, and he came back within a year. So that is yoga. One can reach even the sun planet by the beams. This is yoga practice. By touching the beams he can go to the sun planet. There are so many wonderful things. So Durvasa Muni was a great yogi. He knew all these things. Still, he was defeated before a Vaisnava. He had to come and immediately fall down, "Maharaja Ambarisa, kindly excuse me. I have done offense." Maharaja Ambarisa was so humble that "You are in trouble, brahmana, so whatever I have got, asset, whatever I have done austerity, penance, and..., you take immediately and be excused." This is Vaisnava: "You take all my asset." So there was very friendly. Then both of them took prasadam, and then Durvasa Muni could understand what is the power of devotee. Yam labdhva caparam labham manyate nadhikam tatah. So be very much careful to remain a spotless devotee. Then all success is there. There is no doubt about it. There are so many instances.

So this is transcendental body. It has nothing to compare with the material body. Param bhavam ajanantah. Krsna also says, janma karma ca me divyam yo janati tattvatah [Bg. 4.9]. So one has to know Krsna. But that tattvatah, in truth to understand Krsna, is very difficult job.

manusyanam sahasresu
kascid yatati siddhaye
yatatam api siddhanam
kascid vetti mam tattvatah
[Bg. 7.3]

Not to understand superficially but to understand tattvatah. Then you are liberated immediately. Tyaktva deham punar janma naiti [Bg. 4.9]. One who has understood Krsna tattvatah, he is immediately liberated person. He is fit for being transferred to the spiritual world. Tyaktva deham punar janma naiti [Bg. 4.9]. Punar janma... One who does not understand Krsna, he will have to repeat birth after birth. Nivartante mrtyu-samsara-vartmani [Bg. 9.3]. Unless you understand Krsna -- harim vina na mrtim taranti -- you cannot escape death, birth, death, old age and disease. It is not possible.

So if you want actually your life successful, you must try to understand Krsna. That is Krsna consciousness movement. Then your life is successful. And to understand Krsna, no other method will help you. Krsna said, bhaktya mam abhijanati [Bg. 18.55]. Never said that "I can be understood by yogic process or by karma, by jnana." The modern politicians, they stress on karma because they want to work hard like hogs and dog. They think karma-yoga... So karma-yoga is good, but karmis are mudhas. Those who are simply working hard day and night for sense gratification, they are no better than the hogs and dogs. They are no good. But karma-yoga is different thing. Karma-yoga means one who has got attachment for producing something, working something. So Krsna said that "Yes, you can do, but," yat karosi yaj juhosi yad asnasi yat tapasyasi kurusva tad mad-ar... [Bg. 9.27], "the result you must give to Me." Anasritah karma-phalam karyam karma karoti yah, sa sannyasi [Bg. 6.1].

So anyone who does not take the result of his karma, then he is sannyasi. Suppose you earn... You are a businessman. You have earned two lakhs of rupees, but give it to Krsna. Anasritah karma-phalam. Otherwise what you will do with these two lakhs of rupees? If you don't take it, will you throw it away? "No, why shall I throw it? It should be utilized for Krsna." So let them... People are very much enthusiastic to earn money in this material world. We can see practically, especially in the Western world. But if they engage their profit for pushing on Krsna consciousness movement, then their money will no more be engaged in releasing atomic bomb. Otherwise it will be used for releasing atomic bomb. I shall break your head and you shall break my head. Both of them, we shall finish.

Thank you very much. (end)

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Brahmacari Escapes Tribulation

Srimad-Bhagavatam 5.5.34
Vrndavana, November 21, 1976

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Pradyumna: "In this way Lord Rsabhadeva followed the behavior of cows, deer and crows. Sometimes He moved or walked, and sometimes He sat down in one place. Sometimes He lay down, behaving exactly like cows, deer and crows. In that way, He ate, drank, passed stool and urine and cheated the people in this way."

Prabhupada:

evam go-mrga-kaka-caryaya vrajams tisthann asinah sayanah kaka-mrga-go-caritah pibati khadaty avamehati sma
[SB 5.5.34]

A character, avadhuta, without any connection with human bodily activities, Rsabhadeva remained lying down on the street just like animals. We see so many cows and birds and crows, they do not care for anything of this material world, but eating, sleeping, mating, that is there. As in the human society, so amongst the lower animals the same activities are there. There is no change. Visayah khalu sarvatah syat. Sastra says visayah, the objects of sense enjoyment, sarvatah syat, everywhere. There is no difference. Visayah khalu sarvatah syat. So visaya. Sometimes we say, visayi. Visayi, generally they mean a man having estates to manage. But actually visaya means this eating, sleeping, mating, and defending. These things are there. So He was callous: "Never mind." Although He was the emperor, but when He took the position of avadhuta, without any conception of body, He became like ordinary animals, exemplifying that the, so far the body is concerned, the activities of the body, there is no difference between the lower animals and the higher animals; or, in other words, without spiritual conception of life, simply in the bodily conception of life we are equal with the animals. Ahara-nidra-bhaya-maithunam samanyam etad pasubhih naranam.

So our real life is spiritual life, not this bodily conception of life. Narottama dasa Thakura says that anyone who is above the bodily conception of life, he is liberated person. Samsara bandhana Deha-smrti nahi yara, samsara-bandhana kahan tara. Deha-smrti: "I am this body," "I am Indian," "I am American," "I am brahmana," "I am ksatriya." These are bodily conception of life. One who forgets this bodily conception of life, he is liberated. So how we can forget bodily conception of life? It can be forgotten. Just like one big person Sometimes we have seen practically. We have, of course, heard, we have not seen, that Mr. Stalin, the great Communist leader, he was to undergo a surgical operation of the intestine. So the physician, the doctor, surgeon, he wanted to give him anaesthetic, chloroform. He refused: "There is no need of. Let the operation go on. I shall see what is there within the belly." Strong-minded, here, even in material conception, he was, he undergo, underwent the surgical operation without any chloroform. So that is possible. If one is fully absorbed in Krsna consciousness, then he has no more bodily conception of life. That is not to be imitated. It is on the highest stage it is possible to forget completely, and he is liberated. Deha-smrti nahi yara samsara bandhana kahan tara. He is no more conditioned by the material nature.

So how it can be possible? It can be possible. I have given already one crude example. Similarly, why Mr. Stalin could tolerate without any trouble? Because he was a leader. He was always absorbed in the thought of how he could advance the Communist cause. This is the real reason. Similarly, if we take our cause very seriously, our... What is our cause? That is explained by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Our, this Krsna consciousness movement means to serve Krsna. That is explained by Srila Rupa Gosvami:

iha yasya harer dasye
karmana manasa vaca
nikhilasv apy avasthasu
jivan-muktah sa ucyate

If you become fully absorbed in the thought of serving Krsna, iha... Iha means complete absorption in the thought, "How I shall serve Krsna?" What is serving Krsna? That is explained by Krsna, that He... We can see from his practical behavior, acarana. Not only His acarana, behavior, but later on, His incarnation, Caitanya Mahaprabhu's acarana, or behavior. What is that? To spread Krsna consciousness. Krsna also came for the same purpose, to spread Krsna consciousness. Ya idam paramam guhyam mad-bhaktesv abhidhasyati [Bg 18.68]. And Caitanya Mahaprabhu also came for the same purpose, to spread Krsna consciousness. So if we follow their footsteps and be fully engaged in spreading Krsna consciousness, then immediately we become liberated.

This is the formula: iha yasya harer dasye karmana manasa vaca. We act three ways: by our bodily activities, by the mind, and by words. So if we engage our body Body means senses. What is this body? So long the hand is working, the eyes are working, the legs are working, all these different karma and jnana, indriyas, they are working, then it is body. Otherwise, if the indriyas do not work, then it is dead matter. Indriyani parany ahur [Bg. 3.42]. So these indriyas, so long the indriyas are working, that means my body is working, I am alive. Therefore if we engage our indriyas in the service of Krsna, then this material..., not This is not material activities. To engage the senses in the matter of serving Krsna, these are not material activities. These are all spiritual activities. And the difference between the Mayavada philosophy and Vaisnava philosophy, that the Mayavada philosophy, they want to stop activities. They think stopping of all activities is perfection, sunyam, sunyavadi. Nirvisesa-sunyavadi. Simply stop material. But what is the positive engagement? That they do not know. That is the difference. Positive engagement means serving Krsna. That positive engagement means, engagement means, acting means, the employment of the senses.

So when we employ our senses in the positive activities, that is liberation. That is liberation. Just like a diseased man and a healthy man, what is the difference? The difference is that a healthy man is engaged in healthy activities, and the diseased man is engaged in diseased activities. The diseased man is also lying down, and the healthy man is also lying down. There is vast of difference. The diseased man is also eating, and the healthy man is eating. There is vast difference. So these activities, devotional activities, are not material activities. Material activities means sense gratification, and spiritual activities means to carry out the orders of Krsna. This is the difference. Sarvopadhi-vinirmuktam tat-paratvena nirmalam [Cc. Madhya 19.170]. Nirmalam means purified senses must be there. We are living entities. There must be senses. There must be desires. That is not possible because we are living entities. If our senses do not work, if we do not desire, then what is the difference between the stone and myself? The stone does not move, the stone does not act, the stone does not desire. So if I become like stone, then what is the benefit? No. The nirvisesavadi, sunyavadi, they want to make oneself like stone. That is not curing. They give up everything. Brahma satyam jagan mithya. They That is not mithya but temporary. Anyway, they simply give up.

But real thing is to accept the positive life. That is Krsna consciousness. That is bhakti. Anukulyena...

sarvopadhi-vinirmuktam
tat-paratvena nirmalam
hrsikena hrsikesa-
sevanam bhaktir ucyate
[Cc. Madhya 19.170]

So hrsika means senses. Because I stop material activities, that does not mean my senses are also finished. No. Senses are there. That is purified senses. When I do not act for any material purpose, that means my sense activities are purified, and that is bhakti. That is bhakti. Anukulyena krsnanusilanam [Cc. Madhya 19.167]. This is little difference, not very great difference. People are One has to learn. Adau gurvasrayam sad-dharma-prcchat. Sad-dharma-prcchat. To accept guru means to give up all material desires and be ready to ask from guru, "What shall I do?" Just like Sanatana Gosvami, when he approached Caitanya Mahaprabhu, he asked this question, that "By Your grace I am now released from my responsible activities." He was a minister of Nawab Hussain Shah, so he had many responsible activities, but he resigned from the post. And when he approached Caitanya Mahaprabhu he asked, "Now, by Your grace, I am now relieved from all material activities. Now kindly tell me what shall I do." So doing, it is not stopped. The Mayavada philosophy means stop doing. Jagat mithya: there is no more activities. That cannot stay. That is artificial. Aruhya krcchrena param padam tatha patanty adhah [SB 10.2.32]. If you give up this world as material -- you have nothing to do -- then you'll fall down again. Patanty adhah. This is the sastra injunction. So therefore our Gosvamis, under the sastra..., that "Engage yourself in Krsna activities; otherwise you will fall down." Iha yasya harer dasye karmana manasa vaca.

So here is Rsabhadeva giving example. So far the body is concerned, it has nothing to do with the spiritual activities. The body is as good as that of the animals, the crows and the cows, birds, beasts. He is showing the same now, that so far body is concerned, it is the same thing. But when you come to the spiritual platform, that is... This is negation or equation with the material body. But real activities are anukulyena krsnanusilanam bhaktir uttama. Simply be ready to work for Krsna, sad-dharma-prcchat, as Sanatana Gosvami exemplified. He came to Caitanya Maha Tyaktva turnam asesa-mandala-pati-srenim. He was minister. His business was with the big, big men, mandala-pati. Tyaktva turnam asesa-mandala-pati-srenim sada tucchavat: "It has no meaning. No more dealing with them." Tucchavat. Bhutva dina-ganesakau karunaya kaupina-kanthasritau. And in order to give some benefit to the dina-ganesakau Gana. Gana means general public. To give them some benefit, that is Vaisnava life. Stop material activities, and for the benefit of the mass of people, dina. They are very dina, very poor. Mahad-vicalanam grhinam dina-cetasam. Dina-cetasam. They're very, very crippled, dinasam. Grhinam. Those who are grhi, they are very dina, very poor-hearted, because they do not know anything except to maintain the family.

Especially in this age a person will be considered very expert if he can maintain his family. Daksyam kutumba-bharanam. The age is so fallen that if one can maintain one wife and a few children, oh, he is Daksa Maharaja. Daksa Maharaja is called Daksa means he was very expert in begetting children and maintaining them. That is Daksa Maharaja. He was begetting children, many thousands, and Narada used to visit and make them sannyasi. That was Narada's business. So, and Daksa in Kali-yuga, that is not very easy thing, to beget many thousands of children and maintain them and get them married and their children, their children. Because this is the happiness of home life. Yan-maithunadi-grhamedhi-sukham hi tuccham [SB 7.9.45]. These grhamedhis' happiness is sexual intercourse, that's all. So he produces dozens of children by sexual intercourse, and when the children are grown-up, educated, then for him also another arrangement for sex, very pompously married. What is the purpose? The same sex. Therefore grhamedhi-sukham is sex. "I have enjoyed sex. I have got so many nice children, educated, now working. Now give him facility for sex. Then again, grandchildren."

So anyone who can maintain like this himself, his children, with wife and eating, ahara-nidra-bhaya-maithunam, then he is expert. And if he becomes a sannyasi, brahmacari, does not take part in these stereotyped activities, then he is useless, escaping from the world, escaping. They do not take the responsibility. But that is not the fact. If one can maintain himself as brahmacari, he is escaping all the tribulations of this material world, escaping certainly, but he is escaping all the tribulations of the ma..., so much botheration. Yan maithunadi-grhamedhi-sukham hi tuccham kanduyanena karayor iva duhkha-duhkham [SB 7.9.45]. Kanduyanena karayor iva duhkha-duhkham. Duhkha-duhkham, misery after misery. So kandutivan manasijam visaheta dhirah. Trpyanti neha krpana bahu-duhkha-bhajah. So these dina-cetasam, mahad-vicalanam... Those who are mahatmas, their, I mean to say, wandering here and there is to enlighten these poor-hearted grhi. Grhesu grhamedhinam. Apasyatam atma-tattvam grhesu grhamedhinam [SB 2.1.2]. Grhamedhi, they have no interest in the spiritual advancement of life. They think that "This is meant for the useless person who could not improve in this materialistic way of life. They have taken this dress as a token for maintaining their body and soul together. Useless person." They think like that. Grhesu grhamedhinam. Because they think, "This is our only interest," grhesu grhamedhinam. Srotavyadini rajendra nrnam santi sahasrasah [SB 2.1.2].

Those who are grhamedhis, they have got many, many things to learn. Just like you see the newspaper, so many subject matter. You'll find different stock exchange report, and this municipal report, and the advertisement, wine advertisement, and meat advertisement. What is that? "Beefeater's" advertisement, and cigarette advertisement, and cinema advertisement, restaurant advertisement even. Grhesu. Nrnam santi sahasrasah. Thousands and thousands subject matter you'll find. Here we don't have such newspaper in the Western country. Such a big bunch, at least ten kilos' weight. Is it not? Big, big bunch, throwing. Who will read? But they have the subject matter.

So we have to cease these activities, and we shall consider such activities are no better than the activities of the crows and the cows and the other animals are there. These activities have no value, as the crow or the hogs and the dogs, they are engaged the whole day, activities. But these activities have no value. The human form of life are not meant for these activities. Their purpose is to make these activities and the activities of the crows and cows and lower animals only Krsna conscious activities, how to serve Krsna. That is bona fide. That is our life, real life.

Thank you very much. (end)

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Never Trust Your Mind

Srimad-Bhagavatam 5.6.03
Vrndavana, November 25, 1976

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Pradyumna: "All the learned scholars have given their opinion. The mind is by nature very restless, and one should not make friends with it. If we place full confidence in the mind, it may cheat us at any moment. Even Lord Siva became agitated upon seeing the Mohini form of Lord Krsna, and Saubhari Muni also fell down from the mature stage of yogic perfection."

Prabhupada:

tatha coktam-
na kuryat karhicit sakhyam
manasi hy anavasthite
yad-visrambhac cirac cirnam
caskanda tapa aisvaram
[SB 5.6.3]

So it is advised herewith, tatha ca uktam. Although definitely from where it is quoted, it is not described, but it is heard by the parampara system. That is also authority, not necessarily to know wherefrom it is quoted, but if it is current, it is also evidence. So it is is said by parampara system, we can understand, that "Do not make any friendship or," what is called, "compromise with mind. Do not do this." As I was saying yesterday, my Guru Maharaja used to say that "When you get up you beat your mind with shoes hundred times, and when you go to the bed you beat your mind with broomstick hundred times." Then there will be no compromise. If you simply beat your mind... That is required. This is Vedic system. Now, if you want to bring somebody under your control, then you must always chastise him; otherwise it is impossible. Canakya Pandita, the moral instruction, he also says, lalane bahavo dosas tadane bahavo gunah: "If you pat your subordinate, then it will increase the faulty habits." Bahavo dosah. And tadane bahavo gunah: "And if you chastise, then they will improve." Tasmat sisyam ca chatram ca tadayen na tu lalayet. Therefore it is advised, "Either your son or disciple, you should always chastise them. Never give them lenience." So little leniency, immediately so many faults will grow.

Now for our practical life we are known all over the world as shaven-headed. Is it not? Now we are becoming hair-headed. We are forgetting shaving because there is little leniency. Immediately faulty things are creeping in. So we should be known as shaven-headed, not long-hair-headed. This is discrepancy. At least once in a month you must be clearly shaven-headed. In the bright fortnight on the day of purnima, four days after ekadasi, once in a month in the bright fortnight, you must be shaved. It is not desirable that in grown-up ages also you should be chastised. That is not desirable. That is also difficult, because when the disciple or the son is grown up, if he is chastised, then he breaks. So before being chastised, you..., we should be conscious that "This is our rules and regulation. We must observe." Therefore it is advised by Canakya Pandita, prapte tu sodase varse putram mitra-vad acaret: "After sixteenth year of the disciple or the son, he should be treated as friend." Because if you chastise when he's grown-up, then he'll break up. That is also another risk. So our request is that instead of chastising, with folded hands I request you, don't you become hippies again by growing hair. Keep your head cleansed at least once in a month. That is my request. Neither I can chastise you. I am also old man; you are young men.

So here the same thing, na kuryat karhicit sakhyam. To the subordinate never make compromise. We must keep always under control. Of course... Similarly, our mind... The mind is the cause of our material existence, mano-dharma. Why we are in this material world? On account of this change of mind. Our position is jivera svarupa haya nitya krsna dasa [Cc. Madhya 20.108-109]. We are eternal servant of Krsna, but sometimes the servant thinks, "Why shall I remain a servant? Let me become master." That is natural. A master is always in comfortable situation. Sometimes the servant becomes envious: "Oh, why this man should always remain in comfortable position and we shall serve? Why not we become also in comfortable position? Let me eat as he eats," or "Let me sleep now." These are so-called comforts. So they want to imitate. When the living being imitates the Supreme Personality of Godhead, then he falls down. Krsna bhuliya jiva bhoga vancha kare, pasate maya tare japatiya dhare. As soon as he forgets his position -- he wants to imitate -- that is the beginning of maya, falldown. You should be very careful.

Therefore the brahmacari... We have to teach the brahmacari... Brahmacari gurukule vasan danto guror hitam. This is brahmacari, not for his personal benefit, but guror hitam. Then he is brahmacari. Not that a brahmacari has to become a very learned scholar in grammar and turiya... These are secondary things. First thing, he has to learn how to control the senses, danta, how to control the mind. Samo damah. This is the beginning of brahminical life. If you cannot control your mind, if you cannot control your senses, there is no question of becoming brahmacari. Brahmacari, brahme carati iti brahmacari. And brahmana means brahma janati iti brahmanah. So these are the beginning, brahmacari. Brahmacari means who is always in Brahman activities. That is brahmacari. Or brahmana means one who knows the Supreme, Supreme Brahman, Parambrahman. So if you understand Krsna, then immediately you are liberated. Param brahma param dhama pavitram paramam bhavan [Bg. 10.12]. So if we understand Krsna, then we are both brahmacari or brahmana, brahma-jnana, brahma-bhutah. These words are there in the sastra: athato brahma jijnasa. Therefore the real life is to inquire about Brahman. Inquiring, inquiring, when the conditioned soul... Now it is jiva-bhutah. So long we are conditioned by the material nature -- prakrteh kriyamanani gunaih karmani sarvasah [Bg. 3.27], bhunkte prakrtijan gunan -- then we are jiva-bhutah. Otherwise when we come to our real position, that is brahma-bhutah.

So that brahma-bhutah position can be attained. If we strictly follow the rules and regulation of brahmacari or brahmana, then it is possible. Otherwise it will be simply formality. Practical life, brahma-bhutah. And how do I know that he has become brahma-bhutah? Prasannatma [Bg. 18.54], no more moroseness, always jolly in any condition of life. Not that "For want of this, one is suffering." There is no want. That, that mentality, that attitude, should be increased. And when it is fully increased, then he's fully satisfied, atmarama. That is called atmarama. Just like Dhruva Maharaja. He said, svamin krtartho 'smi, "Oh, I am fully satisfied." Naivodvije para duratyaya-vaitaranyas tvad-virya-gayana-maha amrta-magna. As Prahlada Maharaja said, "Now I am in the ocean of nectarean. I have no suffering." That is brahma-bhutah. So this brahma-bhutah... [break]

Yoga indriya-samyamah. And the king, head of the indriyas is the mind. So manah-sasthani indriyani prakrti-sthani karsati. We are struggling in this material world, prakrti-sthani, bhunkte prakrtijan gunan. Because we are in this material world -- there are three modes of material nature -- either of them controlling me. Prakrtijan gunan. Therefore you find three kinds of men. Practically we can see richer class, a middle class, and a poorer class. That is always existing. I thought before going to your country, USA, I thought that "The Americans, they are all rich." That's a fact. I don't say that you are poor. You are rich in comparison to India. But still, when I saw that on the Bowery Street so many drunkards are lying down on the footpath, then I thought, "Here is also third class." So either by drinking they are lying on footpath, or by becoming hippies they are lying in the park, and the police is kicking on their face. That means that three classes are always there, either you go to America, or hell or heaven -- anywhere -- because there are three gunas: sattva-guna, rajo-guna, tamo-guna. Prakrtijan gunan. You cannot escape it. There is no question of becoming poor. In the Western countries the government arrangement is so nice. And still, voluntarily they will become poor. That is hippies. Because nature is working. Most of these hippies, they are coming from very respectable family, rich family. I have seen. In Beverly Hills when I was walking in the morning I saw nice boy, there is car, he is coming from a very nice house, but he's a hippie. I have seen it. Why he has become hippie? Prakrtijan gunan. He might have taken his birth in a very rich family, respectable family. Because the mode of nature is working, voluntarily he has become hippie. This is going on all over the world. Therefore we have to come to the platform of sattva-guna, brahmana platform. Brahmana platform.

So one endeavor is gradually to come to the brahmana platform. But if we take bhakti-yogam, immediately you become on the brahmana platform. This is the advantage. Kecit kevalaya bhaktya vasudeva-parayanah, agham dhunvanti kartsnyena... [SB 6.1.15]. What is that?

Pradyumna: Niharam iva bhaskarah.

Prabhupada: What is that word?

Pradyumna: Niharam iva bhaskarah.

Prabhupada: No. I forget. Mist, what is the English? Niharam iva, yes. Niharam iva bhaskarah. Bhaskarah means sun. So when there is mist, (Hindi) as soon as there is sunrise, immediately everything... Otherwise it is very difficult to drive away the fog. The railway train... I have seen it also. In the mid-ocean immediately there is fog, and the ship immediately stops because there is danger of collision with other ship. At least the ship in which I was going to your country, Jaladuta, so the captain, Mr. Pandia, he immediately used to stop in the mid-ocean and giving horn, "Gaw, gaw," like that. So that was danger, very dangerous. When the sea is rough there is no fog. And as soon as the sea is not rough there is fog. So whether you will go this way or that way, there is misery. Therefore this world is called duhkhalayam asasvatam [Bg. 8.15]. You subdue something and another problem is there. And you solve that problem -- another problem... Problematic. Duhkhalayam asasvatam. Krsna is recommending that this is duhkhalayam asasvatam. How we'll subside this duhkhalayam asasvatam? And we are... Our struggle is... Krsna said, "This is duhkhalayam asasvatam. This place is for miseries," and these rascals are trying to adjust things. Bahir-artha-maninah. These rascals, they are trying to bring peace by material arrangement, mudha. Therefore they are mudha. It is not possible. Krsna has made it suffering. How you can become happy here? But these rascals will not understand. Within the suffering they will try to become happy. That is not possible. The toilet room he wants to make a Deity room. How it is possible? That is not possible.

So it is duhkhalayam asasvatam [Bg. 8.15], and you have to practice tapasya if you want to get out of it. Tapo divyam putraka yena suddhyet sattva [SB 5.5.1]. We are now accustomed to this miserable condition of life. If you want actual happiness, then you have to undergo austerity, tapasya. Tapo divyam putraka yena suddhyet yasmad brahma-saukhyam anantam. You are hankering after happiness. That happiness, brahma-sukha, eternal happiness, you will get by practicing tapasya. So don't believe, don't make friendship with your restless mind. This is the instruction. Don't make friendship. Simply beat the mind with shoes and broomstick; otherwise cannot bring in control. And other alternative is kevalaya bhaktya. So if you can engage your mind at the lotus feet of Krsna, then it is possible. Sa vai manah krsna-padaravindayoh [SB 9.4.18]. Then Krsna will control. Krsna means light. Darkness, you are suffering in the darkness. So somehow or other, if you bring a light there is no darkness.

krsna-surya-sama; maya haya andhakara
yahan krsna, tahan nahi mayara adhikara

If you keep always within your mind Krsna, Krsna's lotus feet, you can see Krsna's lotus feet, Deity, Baladeva, Balarama, how He is nicely standing... You can see the nice lotus feet. Don't try to see the face all of a sudden. Try, practice to see the lotus feet constantly. Sa vai manah krsna-padara... This is a chance. This temple means to practice how to think of Krsna's lotus feet, Balarama's lotus feet, always. Man-mana bhava mad-bhaktah. Immediately you become bhakta. And as soon as you become a bhakta, kecit kevalaya bhaktya vasudeva-parayanah, dhunvanti agham krtsnam: [SB 6.1.15] all kinds of disturbances will be subsided, dhunvanti. Niharam iva bhaskarah. This is the sastra injunction.

So in this Kali-yuga, to control the mind the yoga practice and this practice and..., this is all failure. It will never be possible. It was possible in the Satya-yuga. Krte yad dhyayato visnum [SB 12.3.52]. Now they have manufactured so many meditation. The real meditation is dhyayato visnu, the Visnu form, four-handed Visnu form, and always try to see Him. That is wanted. These rascals have manufactured something, some light, some this, some that -- yoga practice, sleeping. This will not help. Dhyanavasthita-tad-gatena manasa pasyanti yam yoginah [SB 12.13.1]. Yogis' meditation means to see Visnu murti. That is wanted. But they are impersonalists: "Visnu is maya. Why shall I think of Visnu? Let me see some light." What is that nonsense light? That is also maya. So what is the wrong there, instead of seeing the light if you see the Visnu form? "No, the light is good. Om is good." But when there is question of personal meditation, they protest.

Therefore tad-vijnanartham sa gurum evabhigacchet [MU 1.2.12]. In order to learn everything very clearly, he must have the shelter of a bona fide guru. Adau gurvasrayam. If we want release from all this disturbance of the material world, then the first and foremost thing is adau gurvasrayam. Then,

tad viddhi pranipatena
pariprasnena sevaya
upadeksyanti tad jnanam
jnaninas tattva-darsinah
[Bg. 4.34]

Guru means tattva-darsi. Tattva-darsi. Otherwise he's useless, waste of time. One has seen the tattva. Vadanti tat tattva-vidas tattvam yaj jnanam advayam, brahmeti paramatmeti [SB 1.2.11]. Guru means one who knows what is Brahman, what is Paramatma, what is Bhagavan -- not partial knowledge. The jnanis, the so-called jnanis, they reach up to the brahmajyoti, that's all. But that is not complete knowledge. The yogis, they reach, utmost, Paramatma. That is also not complete. Better than the jnanis, but it is not complete. Brahmeti paramatmeti bhagavan iti. When he comes to the platform to understand the Supreme Personality of Godhead, then that is bhakti. That is bhakti. Therefore Krsna says,

yoginam api sarvesam
mad-gatenantaratmana
sraddhavan bhajate yo mam
sa me yuktatamo matah
[Bg. 6.47]

So if you want to be first-class yogi, always think of Krsna within your mind. Do not make friendship that you have become very much advanced: "Now my mind is controlled." It is not so easy, sir. Therefore it is warned, na kuryat karhicit. Never trust your mind. Always distrust. In any moment it, the mind, can drag you. The example is given here, caskanda tapa aisvaram. Yad-visrambhac cirac cirnam caskanda tapa aisvaram. Even Lord Siva -- he is called Mahadeva; not only deva, but Mahadeva -- he became captivated by seeing the young woman's incarnation, Mohini-murti, became so much captivated. The description is there in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. But as soon as the Mohini-murti demonstrated the features of the breast, immediately Lord Siva became so mad that he forcibly went there and embraced, and there was discharge. Lord Siva. And what to speak of us? What we are? (laughter) Therefore it is... Lord Siva is all right, but by their example they are teaching us that "A personality like me become victimized by this maya's influence. What you are?" Why you should trust and make friendship with your mind, that "I am now complete," artificially? Don't do that. Therefore it is warned, na kuryat. Na kuryat karhicit. Never trust your mind, always try to control. And the easiest method recomended in the sastra and confirmed by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu -- harer nama harer nama harer nama iva kevalam, kalau nasty eva nasty... [Cc. Adi 17.21].

Devotees: ...eva nasty eva gatir anyatha.

Prabhupada: Thank you very much. Hare Krsna.

Devotees: Jaya Srila Prabhupada! (end)

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Monday, November 26, 2012

Krishna Movement Can't Be Killed

Srimad-Bhagavatam 5.5.32
Vrndavana, November 19, 1976

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Pradyumna: "When Lord Rsabhadeva saw that the general populace was very antagonistic to His execution of mystic yoga, He accepted the behavior of a python in order to counteract their opposition. Thus He stayed in one place and lay down. While lying down, He ate and drank, and He passed stool and urine and rolled in it. Indeed, He smeared His whole body with His own stool and urine so that opposing elements might not come and disturb Him."

Prabhupada: Yarhi vava sa bhagavan lokam imam yogasyaddha. [SB 5.5.32] So this is another process of yoga-siddhi, ajagara-vrtti, ajagara, python, lying down in one place, eating and passing urine, stool, everything. Ajagara-vrtti. Ajagara, the python, it lies down in one place, big, big python, sometimes covered by the earth, but still, he gets his food. Big, big animals enter into the home of the python. And the python can eat even a full horse, what to speak of other animals. But still, Krsna supplies him food. He hasn't got to go anywhere. So sometimes saintly persons, they sit down in one place. If Krsna sends him food he will eat; otherwise he will starve. In our acarya-sampradaya, Madhavendra Puri, Bilvamangala Thakura, they were doing that. In Vrndavana Bilvamangala Thakura, he was blind. He was sitting in one place, and Krsna used to come and supply him milk.

So there is no anxiety for maintenance of the body. There is no anxiety. Sastra therefore says that "Don't spoil your energy for the matter of maintenance of the body. That is already settled up." Eko yo bahunam vidadhati kaman. That is the Vedic injunction. Nityo nityanam cetanas cetananam eko yo bahunam vidadhati kaman (Katha Upanisad 2.2.13). The Supreme Lord is nitya as we are nitya. Nitya means there is no birth and death. Na jayate na mriyate va, nityah sasvato 'yam, na hanyate hanyamane sarire [Bg. 2.20]. This is our constitutional position. And what is the difference between the two nityas? One is plural number and the other is singular number. The singular number nitya, or Krsna, He supplies food to everyone. Oh, whatever we require, that is already settled up. Therefore we should not spend our energy for maintenance of the body. That is not required. Tasyaiva hetoh prayateta kovido na labhyate yad brahmatam upary adhah [SB 1.5.18]. Our human energy should be utilized only for that purpose which was not fulfilled in other lives, in the 8,400,000 different species of life, and you are changing, tatha dehantara-praptih [Bg. 2.13], by nature's law, prakrteh kriyamanani gunaih karmani [Bg. 3.27]. According to guna and karma, we are changing our body in 8,400,000's of species and forms. That is By nature's law it is going on, and the nature's law, according to the body, one has to eat, sleep, and sense gratification and protection. At night we see so many dogs. The whole day they could not get food. At night they are crying. And there are other bodies; they are eating nicely. Even the small birds, they have got food. But this dog, they cannot get food. This is God's arrangement. They are condemned life. Otherwise others are getting food; why this body is not getting food? The hogs, they are eating stool.

So varieties of life and varieties of position, you cannot change them. That is not possible. So the theory is humanitarianism, daridra-narayana-seva... Seva. It is not seva. A poor man, you can have mercy, daya. That is allowed. Just like we distribute prasadam. That is balisesu Isvare tad-adhinesu balisesu dvisatsu ca, prema-maitri-krpa upeksa. Krpa. Those who are suffering -- innocent, they do not know how to get release from the suffering -- they are called balisa. Just like a child. A child is suffering, he does not know how to get relief; so one should take care. They should be given shelter, they should be given cloth, food. It is the duty of the parents. That is natural. So for the balisa, innocent, it is our duty to show them mercy, give them food, give them shelter, give them instruction of Krsna consciousness so that he may understand why he is here in this material world, why he is suffering. Ke ami kene amaya jape tapa traya. Everyone is suffering threefold miserable condition of life, adhyatmika, adhibhautika, adhidaivika.

So the Krsna consciousness movement is meant for showing mercy to the innocent who are suffering in this material world. That is wanted. It is not daridra-narayana seva, that "I am very rich man. I am rich Narayana, and therefore I can serve the daridra-narayana." There is no question of serving. That is not. No. The fact is everyone is suffering. There is nobody... Because asad-grahat. Sada samudvigna-dhiyam asad-grahat [SB 7.5.5]. Anyone within this material..., he is suffering, full of anxieties. Even the birds and beasts, you'll find, they are full of anxiety. Why? Asad-grahat. Because he accepted this material body, which is asat, which is temporary. Asato ma sad gamah. Therefore Vedic injunction is, "Don't stay in this material existence. Come to the spiritual existence, sat." Om tat sat. This is the civilization, not to keep the people in ignorance and flatter them that "You are making very good advance." There is no advance unless one is interested in spiritual life. There is no... Tasyaiva hetoh prayateta kovido na labhyate yad bhramatam upary adhah [SB 1.5.18]. In this way we are wandering within this universe in different forms of life, in different planets, in different social positions, in so many varieties.

So this is not our life. Our life is to regain our spiritual consciousness, revive our spiritual existence. And for this purpose we must endeavor. Tasyaiva hetoh prayateta kovidah. Kovidah means one who is intelligent. Otherwise, those who are not intelligent, they think that "I have got this life. I shall enjoy sense gratification," and "There is no life after death." Krsna says, tatha dehantara-praptih [Bg. 2.13], but these rascals will say, "No, there is no life." So therefore Krsna has said, "Mudhas, rascals, they do not accept what I am speaking in this Bhagavad-gita." Na mam duskrtino mudhah prapadyante naradhamah [Bg. 7.15]. They got the chance of understanding Krsna, but they do not know. And the so-called rascal leaders, they are also misleading them, that "There was no Battle of Kuruksetra. There was no instruction like that. It is all mythology, and we can utilize it for our political purposes but it has no value. I can interpret in my own way; you can interpret in your own way. Actually, this instruction has no value." Yata mata tata patha. "You can interpret in your own way; I can interpret..." In this way things are going on. This is the position.

Therefore our movement is being checked in the Western countries that this is a brainwash movement. Brainwash movement, that we are injecting some ideas by psychology, mental control, and our people they are taking to it, and it is spreading like epidemic. How to check it? Therefore they are now taking action how to stop this Hare Krsna movement in Europe and America. They are trying. Of course, we are not afraid of this attempt. They will never be successful, rest assured, because we are pushing Krsna consciousness. Krsna was attempted to be killed from the very beginning of His life. That is the nature of this material world, "How to kill God," "God is dead." This is their attempt. So from the life of Krsna we can understand that so many attempts were made by the demons and the raksasas to kill Krsna, but actually Krsna killed them all. So if you are sincere, if you follow the principles and push on this Krsna consciousness movement, nobody can kill you. You'll go forward, rest assured. We are not going to be killed. That they are perceiving, that this movement is spreading like epidemic, and the young men of Europe and America, they're taking seriously. Professor Stillson Judah already has given his conclusion that "This movement is not going to stop. It will go on." That's a fact. Krsna cannot be killed, neither His movement cannot be killed. Rather, those who are attempting to kill, they will be killed. But we must be very sincere, serious, follow the regulative principle and chant Hare Krsna mantra as you have been taught. Follow this principle boldly, and there is no fear.

So Rsabhadeva is Krsna. So He became disturbed while walking on the street. He is not disturbed, but it is instruction that "If you are disturbed, you feel disturbed in this way, so you adopt this way. You sit down." Similarly, if they are disturbing too much, so we can sit down in one place and chant Hare Krsna. There is no difficulty. And Krsna will send you all necessities. Tesam nityabhiyuktanam yoga-ksemam vahamy aham [Bg. 9.22]. He promises. Krsna cannot say anything lie. He is perfect. So if there is actually impediments to push on this movement -- people disturb too much -- never mind. You sit down in one place and still go on preaching. Yare dekha, tare kaha 'krsna'-upadesa [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. People will come still in India. Why India? In your country also, if saintly person goes, they come. That is the practice in everywhere. So you can sit down and still preach. That is Caitanya Mahaprabhu's mission. Amara ajnaya guru hana tara' ei desa. Ei desa means where you are sitting, where you are living, any place. And sit down. Amara ajnaya guru hana tara' ei desa [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. And But try to deliver these innocent persons who are suffering.

Everyone is suffering. That should be the motto. Do not sit idly, eat and sleep. No. Either loitering, wandering... I know, our men in Krsna consciousness, they are bold enough. They have sometimes been, I mean to say, beaten in the airport. But still, they are so straightforward, suffering from the police, from the public. And Rsabhadeva was sometimes bitten on his body, urine, pass urine on his body, so much. He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead Rsabhadeva. So He is teaching us that for the ultimate benefit of life you prepare yourself to suffer all kinds of tribulations. Caitanya Mahaprabhu has given this instruction:

trnad api sunicena
taror api sahisnuna
amanina manadena
kirtaniyah sada...

You should not give up your preaching work. Kirtaniyah sada harih [Cc. Adi 17.31]. If there are tribulations, as Rsabhadeva He is Supreme Personality of Godhead, Vaikuntha, and He has no suffering.

Haridasa Thakura, he was beaten in twenty-one bazaars regular with cane because he was Muhammadan, and in those days the Muhammadan kingdom was going on, Pathan ruling. So the Kazi, he saw that one Muhammadan, he has become a devotee of Krsna. So he called him so, that "With great fortune you became a Muhammadan, and now you are taking to Hinduism? You are so unfortunate?" So he could understand that "Here is a rascal. What I shall talk with him and argue with him?" He simply said, "Sir, it is... What is the fault there? Just like so many Hindus, they sometimes become Muhammadan, and suppose if I have become a Hindu, what is the wrong there?" So the Kazi took it very seriously: "Oh, you are answering? All right. Order him that you beat this man in twenty-one..., cane, caning." So Haridasa Thakura was beaten in public market. The idea was that beating, he would die. But he did not die. Then the, I mean to say, men who were given in charge to beat him, they became afraid, that "If this man is not dead, then the Kazi will take us very seriously that we have not beaten him seriously." So they began to flatter him, "Sir, unless you die, we'll be dead. Our life is in great danger." So Haridasa Thakura made a show of death, and he was brought before the Kazi that "Here, the body is dead."

So sometimes this kind of tribulation are there. Jesus Christ, what was his fault? He was preaching about God, or Krsna. That was his fault and he was crucified. So this is the world. This is the world. As soon as you become... This is maya's arrangement. Maya, as soon as she sees that "This man is going out of my hand," she'll put so many tribulations, and we have to tolerate them.

trnad api sunicena
taror api sahisnuna
amanina manadena
kirtaniyah sada harih
[Cc. Adi 17.31]

But you cannot stop kirtana. That is not possible.

So you should learn from the... Mahajano yena gatah sa panthah [Cc. Madhya 17.186], learn from the mahajana. Mahajana means the devotees. Mahajana. Mahajana is also addressed in India to the baniers, means the mercantile class, mahajana. The brahmana is addressed as pandita, and the ksatriya is addressed as thakura, and the vaisyas are addressed as mahajana, and the sudras are addressed as chaudhuri. This is Indian etiquette. So we are not talking of this banier mahajana. Mahajanas are described in the sastra, twelve mahajana:

svayambhur naradah sambhuh
kumarah kapilo manuh
prahlado janako bhismo
balir vaiyasakir vayam
[SB 6.3.20]

So they are twelve mahajanas, and we have to follow these mahajanas. The Rsabhadeva is also mahajana, and the greatest mahajana is Krsna. Nityo nityanam cetanas cetananam (Katha Upanisad 2.2.13). Jana, jana means life, and mahajana, the supreme person. So mahajano yena gatah sa panthah [Cc. Madhya 17.186]. Don't argue unnecessarily. Tarko 'pratisthah srutayo vibhinna. You cannot come to conclusion by this method or that method. Just try to follow. Sadhu-marga-anugamanam, adau gurv-asrayam sad-dharma-prccha, sadhu-marganugamanam. We have to follow the footprints of great saintly persons, devotees, mahajana. Here is Rsabhadeva. But in the Kali-yuga it is not possible to imitate ajagara-vrtti. It is not possible because we are already so weak. Mandah sumanda-matayo manda-bhagya hy upadrutah [SB 1.1.10]. This is our position. We are very unfortunate. Every one of us, we are very bad, mandah, bad habits. So it is not possible to imitate Rsabhadeva or Haridasa Thakura. Don't imitate but try to follow. Anusarana. Anukarana is not good. Anukarana means false imitation. That is called anukarana. And anusarana means to follow. Try to follow as far as possible.

So we have got good opportunity to follow Caitanya Mahaprabhu. That is intelligence. Yajnaih sankirtana-prayair yajanti hi su-medhasah [SB 11.5.32]. There is no need of unnecessarily accepting tribulation which is impossible in this age, when we are so much disturbed. We are already dead, just like animals. Therefore it is a special concession:

kaler dosa-nidhe rajann
hy asti eko mahan gunah
kirtanad eva krsnasya
mukta-sangah param...
[SB 12.3.51]

Simply try to chant Hare Krsna mantra very sincerely, without any offense. Then... It is not possible to imitate or even follow Rsabhadeva's process of self-realization. In the Kali-yuga it is not possible. But as it is recommended in the sastra, as Rsabhadeva in his another incarnation, Caitanya Mahaprabhu, He is teaching, kalau nasty eva nasty eva nasty eva gatir anyatha. Harer nama harer nama harer namaiva kevalam [Cc. Adi 17.21]. Chant Hare Krsna and you will get perfection.

Thank you very much.

Devotees: Jaya! (end)

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Srimad-Bhagavatam 5.5.29
Vrndavana, November 16, 1976

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Pradyumna: "After accepting the feature of avadhuta, a great saintly person without material cares, Lord Rsabhadeva passed through human society like a blind, deaf and dumb man, an idle stone, a ghost or a madman. Although people called Him such names, He remained silent and did not speak to anyone."

Prabhupada:

Jadandha-muka-badhira-pisaca unmadaka...

What is that other word?

Avadhuta-veso abhibhasyamano 'pi jananam grhita-mauna-vratas tusnim babhuva.
[SB 5.5.29]

So Rsabhadeva, after giving charge of the government to Bharata Maharaja, He Param bhagavata. That we have explained yesterday, that the king should be param bhagavata, not a debauch. That was the system in Vedic age, the ideal king, ideal person. If one person is educated sufficiently he can Being the executive head of the state, he can take care of the whole population because his order is supreme. That was the duty of the king, to see that things are going on nicely in order. The order is that everyone should be educated to the final goal of understanding Krsna. That is education. Vedais ca sarvair aham eva vedyam [Bg. 15.15]. This is education. Veda means knowledge.

So there may be different types of sources of knowledge, but the means are justified by the end. What is the end of life? The end of life is to understand Krsna. If you don't like to say "Krsna" -- God. That is end of life. But these rascals, they do not know it. Na te viduh svartha-gatim hi visnum [SB 7.5.31]. The general population, they do not know because they are not educated in that way. At the present moment, Kali-yuga... [break] We are educating people atheism, no God, "God is dead." In Europe, America, when I went there, the education was "God is dead." Here also, so many rascals, they have appeared as God. They are also saying, "Now, Krsna was God, but He is now dead. I am now God." Yes. They are saying publicly. And they are being accepted.

So this is going on. Therefore Krsna has defined these rascals as rascals, mudha. Na mam duskrtino mudhah prapadyante naradhamah [Bg. 7.15]. Anyone who is not Krsna conscious or does not surrender to Krsna, you can blindly classify him in four groups: duskrtina, means most sinful; mudhah -- rascals; naradhamah -- lowest of the mankind. "No, he is M.A., Ph.D." Mayayapahrta-jnana. "What is the fault?" Because he does not accept Krsna -- finish. So we are also like other fools and rascals, but we accept this Krsna's word as final, that's all. Krsna says that these are Those who have not surrendered to Krsna, they are four classes, means most sinful, and rascal, lowest of the mankind, and although he has got university degrees, his knowledge is taken away by maya. Asurim bhavam asritah. This is asurim bhavam. And there are two classes of men -- the asura and the deva. So deva means who accepts the authority of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. He is deva. Devata. Visnu-bhaktah bhaved daiva asuras tad-viparyayah. Even those who are devotees of other demigods, they are also asuras, what to speak of atheist. Even Just like Ravana. He was a great devotee of Lord Siva -- everyone knows -- but he was called a raksasa. Raksasa and asura, the same thing. Hiranyakasipu, he was a great devotee of Lord Brahma. He is also called raksasa.

So one may be very educated, very good scholar in Vedic knowledge, but if he does not accept Visnu, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, or Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead... Visnu and Krsna the same. Visnu-tattva. Visnu-tattva means the category of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. So durasaya ye bahir-artha-maninah. Out of false hopes, they are trying to become successful. That is not possible. Durasaya. Such kind of hope is useless hope. It will never be... Moghasa mogha-karmanah. Leaving aside Visnu and simply they are trying to become very highly learned, mogha-jnana vicetasah. So they are mogha, means their hopes will never be successful. They may go on.

So this unsuccessful life, mrtyu-samsara-vartmani [Bg. 9.3], life after life, when one actually comes on the platform of knowledge -- bahunam janmanam ante jnanavan mam prapadyate [Bg. 7.19] -- that is the sign that here is a jnanavan. Because he has surrendered to Krsna, he has accepted Krsna, Vasudeva -- vasudevah sarvam iti sa mahatma sudurlabhah [Bg. 7.19] -- he is mahatma. Mahatma does not mean that to dress like me or having a big beard and No. Vasudevah sarvam. One who has accepted Krsna as the Supreme -- param brahma param dhama pavitram paramam bhavan [Bg. 10.12] -- he is mahatma. Mahatmanas tu mam partha daivim prakrtim asritah, bhajanty ananya manaso [Bg. 9.13]. He is mahatma, not mahatma by stamping or by changing the dress. No. Mahatma means who is surrendered to the... Mahat-padam punya-yaso-murareh. Murari, Krsna's name is mahat-padam. He is mahatma.

So in this way, here is... Rsabhadeva is teaching us how we should select. Now it is the time for democracy. So Lord Rsabhadeva is teaching us that how you shall select the president or the king, Bharata Maharaja, the ideal king, parama-bhagavatam. And vairagya-laksanam paramahamsya-dharmam, and bhagavaj-jana-parayanam. These are. So democracy Sometimes I say to my American students that "Your country is opulent in every respect." Janmaisvarya-sruta-sri [SB 1.8.26], four kinds of opulences, everyone is trying for. Now everyone is trying for money, because if you get money, then, although you are born in the lowest family, chamar, bhangi, if you have got money, you'll be respectful, everything. Now there is no question of caste because everyone is lost. Kalau sudra-sambhavah. So you cannot find out who is brahmana, who is ksatriya, who is vaisya, who is sudra. Everyone is the same. Now they are trying for classless society. Classless society means sudra. So how a sudra can be equal to the brahmana, ksatriya? But if you earn money, then you are more than brahmana, you are more than a sannyasi. This is Kali-yuga. So therefore people are after money only.

So we are being educated in that way, foolish education. And we shall select. When we come to the election we select a person like me. That has been described in the Srimad-Bhagavatam, that sva-vid-varahostra-kharaih samstutah purusah pasuh [SB 2.3.19]. This election, we are selecting another person. He is also like me. I am a pasu. How can I select a person who is not pasu? Therefore if you want good government, then -- this is democratic age -- then you must be good. You must know who is good. Then you can elect: "Here is good man." Otherwise, sva-vid-varahostra-kharaih samstutah purusah pasuh. Srila Jiva Gosvami has said that these so-called leaders, they are big pasu. I am pasu, and he's a big pasu. What can I select? I cannot find out Bharata Maharaja, parama-bhagavatam, bhagavaj-jana-priya. Hm? Bhagavaj-jana-parayanam. Nobody likes bhagavaj-jana. "These people are always speaking of God. It is brainwash." This is the modern "It is brainwash." In Europe and America they are now combining to oppose this Hare Krsna movement, that we are brainwashing him, controlling the mind by hypnotism. That is the charge against us. We are placed in the court also in many cases. So this is "What is this nonsense, bhagavaj-jana-parayanam, Bhagavan, Krsna? This is simply a sophistry," they say. Even a big scholar say. When Krsna says, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja [Bg. 18.66], a big scholar, he has remarked, "This is sophistry."

So this is the age. So everyone is trying to be happy. That happiness is not possible. That peace is not possible unless you have got a leader or king like Bharata Maharaja, after whose name this planet is called Bharatavarsa, this Bharata Maharaja. So we have to find out such leader. Then everything will be adjusted. It is the... Now we are speaking of secular state. Secular state does not mean people will become godless. No. Secular state means that no religious preference. "Because you are Hindu, therefore we shall give you more preference than the Muhammadan" -- no. Secular state means that the state should see that everyone is strictly following his religious principle. That is secular state. If you are Hindu or varnasrami, then you must follow the principles of how one is a brahmana, how one is a ksatriya. Hinduism, this is a foreign word. Real principle is varnasrama-dharma. Varnasramacaravata purusena parah puman visnur aradhyate [Cc. Madhya 8.58]. This is the aim of life, how to worship Visnu. That is explained, and that is the training of this varnasrama-dharma.

Sri Ramananda Raya quoted this when Caitanya Mahaprabhu inquired from him what is sadhya-sadhana. "What is the business of the human society and what is the aim of human society?" This was the question put forward by Caitanya Mahaprabhu. He first of all quoted varnasrama. The human society begins when there is varnasrama-dharma. Otherwise it is animal society. There is no human society. That is beginning of human society, brahmana, ksatriya, vaisya. Krsna says, catur-varnyam maya srstam [Bg. 4.13]. My Guru Maharaja also wanted to establish daiva-varnasrama. Yes. There must be the human society, not this, daiva-varnasrama, not this asuric varnasrama. Asuric varnasrama... Just like Ravana. He was also son of a brahmana, but he was rejected, that "You are not brahmana; you are raksasa because you do not care for Bhagavan Ramacandra." So this is the verdict of the sastra. So therefore daiva-varnasrama. Varnasrama should be established on the principles of devata, to make people devata. Devata means visnu bhaktah bhaved daiva asuras tad-viparyayah. Unless one is not a Vaisnava, he cannot be a devata. He cannot be a civilized man.

It is said in the sastra that sat-karma-nipuno vipro mantra-tantra-visaradah. The brahmana, he knows the brahminical business, sat-karma, means pathana pathana yajana yajana dana pratigraha. A brahmana must be very learned scholar, pathana, and he shall make others also good scholar. The brahmana is the teacher. That is brahmana's business. Pathana pathana yajana yajana. He must be a good worshiper of the Supreme Lord, and he must teach others how to become brahmana, how to worship. Yajana yajana. And dana pratigraha. Brahmana, Vaisnava Still the world is going on. At least in India the brahmana Vaisnavas, they are given charities without any hesitation. Because that mentality is still existing in India, so somebody is taking advantage of it. Unnecessarily they are changing dress and begging and making money. No. So dana pratigraha. Therefore a brahmana, as soon as there is excess money, he would immediately spend it for Krsna. Dana pratigraha. He will charity. He'll make charity. He'll distribute prasadam. He'll not keep money for future. No. Dana pratigraha. So even one is perfect brahmana like that, yajana yajana pathana pathana dana pratigraha, and mantra-tantra-visaradah... So if he is actually learned scholar, he must be very expert in quoting, chanting the Vedic mantra, Vedic hymns. That is the sign that he has read something. He has studied Vedas. So mantra-tantra-visaradah. So avaisnavo gurur na sa syat. One disqualification: if he is not a Vaisnava, then he cannot become guru. Forgive him, immediately. Sad vaisnavah sva-paco guruh. Svapaca means dog-eaters. If one is coming from the family of dog-eaters In India the dog-eaters are considered the lowest of the society, candala. But if he is a Vaisnava, then he can become guru. It doesn't matter. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu also supports this.

yei bhaje sei bada, abhakta-hina, chara
krsna-bhajane nahi jati-kuladi-vicara
[Cc. Antya 4.67]

This is Caitanya Mahaprabhu said to begin.

So here are the examples in the sastras, that Bharata Maharaja, elected or selected, nominated by the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Rsabhadeva... And He retired, avadhuta-vesa. Avadhuta-vesa means He is no more within the social community. Just like the word nirgrantha... Kurvanty ahaitukim bhaktim ittham-bhuta-guno harih. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu has explained this word nirgrantha. Nirgrantha means one who has no granthi, no tight knot with this material world. And the another meaning, one who has no connection with grantha, nirgrantha. So there are two classes of men. One is foolish rascal, no education. He is called also nirgrantha, and another person who has no connection with this material world, he is also nirgrantha. So here the sign of Rsabhadeva, He became just like a madman, a deaf and dumb, a rascal, a fool, a ghost. But He is not madman. He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. That is... Apparently it may look like that, but He is Supreme Personality of Godhead. He has no connection, either you call Him deaf and dumb, fool, rascal, whatever you call. You can call. Trnad api sunicena. He has no connection with this body. This is avadhuta-vesa. When one, no more he has got any connection with this material body, he is avadhuta-vesa.

Thank you very much. (end)

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Srimad-Bhagavatam 5.5.28
Vrndavana, November 15, 1976

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Pradyumna: "Sukadeva Gosvami said: Thus the great well-wisher of everyone, the Supreme Lord, Rsabhadeva, instructed His own sons. Although they were perfectly educated and cultured, He instructed them just to set an example of how a father should instruct his sons before retiring from family life. Sannyasis, who are no longer bound by fruitive activity and who have taken to devotional service after all their material desires have been vanquished, also learn by these instructions. Lord Rsabhadeva instructed His one hundred sons, of whom the eldest, Bharata, was a very advanced devotee and a follower of Vaisnavas. In order to rule the whole world, the Lord enthroned His eldest son on the royal seat. Thereafter, although still at home, Lord Rsabhadeva lived like a madman, naked and with disheveled hair. Then the Lord took the sacrificial fire within Himself, and He left Brahmavarta to tour the whole world."

Prabhupada:

evam anusasyatmajan svayam anusistan api loka-anusasanartham mahanubhavah...

[SB 5.5.28]

Here the important point is about monarchy. There are different types of government, of which monarchy is the most prominent style. Formerly everywhere, all over the world, the monarchy was prevalent. Even up to date some of the countries, they are maintaining monarchy but only in name actually. The monarch has no power. So monarchy is good so long the king is as ideal as Bharata Maharaja, Rsabhadeva, Maharaja Yudhisthira, Maharaja Pariksit, Lord Ramacandra. That is the perfect type of monarchy. We have description of Rama-rajya. We have got the word nowadays. They sometimes use Rama-rajya party, but without Rama. This is their policy. Where is that Rama? When Lord Ramacandra returned from the forest, His brother, Bharata, was ruling as a saintly person. But as soon as the eldest brother came back, He entreated that "Now You sit down on the throne." But He first of all tested what kind of people in generally there are in the Ayodhya. So when He understood that all the citizens, they are strictly following the varnasrama-dharma, then He agreed to accept the throne.

So both ways. The king should be ideal, as here it is, paramahamsa. Mahanubhavah. So, and the praja should be also strictly following varnasrama dharma. Then this world will be happy. Otherwise it is not possible. Not one sided. "The king is not good. Dethrone him. Kill him," and some rascals and fools in the name of democracy, they occupy the seat. What benefit will be there? The whole thing has to be changed, the prajas and the king. The advantage of democracy is there. By votes you can elect somebody as president. One has to follow the principle, monarch, one man on the head of the government. It may be a monarch or it may be a president -- it doesn't matter -- but there must be one chief executive officer on the head. That you cannot avoid. That is essential. Therefore if we do not have an ideal president or ideal king on the head and the prajas also, the citizens, they do not follow the varnasrama, then there cannot be any peace.

The peace formula is given in the Bhagavad-gita, that,

bhoktaram yajna-tapasam
sarva-loka-mahesvaram
suhrdam sarva-bhutanam
jnatva mam santim rcchati
[Bg. 5.29]

This is the peace formula. People should know that who is ultimately the proprietor. We are claiming the proprietorship of this land, but we are not proprietor actually. Actually the proprietor is Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. He said, sarva-loka-mahesvaram [Bg. 5.29]. Unfortunately we are claiming God's property as our own. That means we are thieves. There is United Nation to formulate peace of the world, but truly speaking, it is an assembly of thieves and rogues. How there can be peace? The people must be trained up to know who is the proprietor. If the United Nation immediately accepts that this whole planet is the property of God and we are simply sons of God, not only human being but also the animals, the trees, the plants... There are 8,400,000 different forms of living entities, and Krsna claims, aham bija-pradah pita: [Bg. 14.4] "I am the seed-giving father." And we, all living entities, we are sons of the supreme proprietor. Let us enjoy the father's property without encroaching upon other's share. Isavasyam idam sarvam [Iso mantra 1]. Tena tyaktena bhunjitha ma grdhah kasya svid dhanam.

But they will not accept it. They will artificially create some assembly of rogues and thief and pass resolution for fifty years but no peace. They want to be united, but flags are increasing daily. We have seen in New York the flags are increasing. Actually, during Maharaja Pariksit's time there was one flag only, and people were controlled by the Pandava kings all over the world, and they were peaceful. During the battle of Kuruksetra, it was a family fight, so all the people of the world, they joined this side or that side. The Bharatavarsa means under the name of Bharata Maharaja, who is mahanubhavah... He is not ordinary person. Bharatam parama-bhagavatam bhagavaj-jana-parayanam. Bhagavaj-jana. He is the follower of devotees, bhagavaj-jana. Bhagavaj-jana and hari-jana, the same thing. Hari means Bhagavan, and here it is stated, bhagavaj-jana, and hari-jana, the same thing. But nowadays hari-jana means if somebody comes and presents himself as hari-jana, immediately we understand he must be a chamar or bhangi.

So this is the position. Hari-jana means persons like Narada, Vyasa, Asita, like that, the personal servant of Krsna. By rubber-stamp -- "hari-jana..." In Bengali it is said, kana chela nama padma locana (?): "One son is blind, and the father has given the name 'lotus-eyed.' " So that you can do out of affection. A blind child you can call "lotus-eyed," that is your business. But lotus-eyed means something else. Very beautiful eyes, then you can say "lotus-eyed." So this is going on. I want some political aims, so I stamp the chamars and bhangis as hari-jana. That's all. That you can call for your political purpose. But hari-jana does not mean that. Here it is, a example of hari-jana, parama bhagavatan. Parama bhagavata means the highest stage of devotees. Kanistha-adhikari, madhyama-adhikari, and then uttama-adhikari. He is parama-bhagavata. He has no enemy. Kanistha-adhikari, he worships the Deity, but he does not know how to do good to others, neither he knows who is devotee. In the kanistha-adhikara, in the lower stage of devotional service, one cannot distinguish. But he should be engaged fully in Deity worship so that gradually he will develop his maha-bhagavata stage. And madhyama-adhikari means he knows how to make others hari-jana, or devotee.

isvare tad-adhinesu
balisesu dvisatsu ca
prema-maitri-krpa upeksa
yah karoti sa madhyamah

He not only worships the Deity wholeheartedly... That is prema. Isvare prema. But beyond that, tad adhinesu -- he knows how to respect the devotees, tad adhinesu, isvara adhinesu. That means other devotees. Then he becomes madhyama-adhikari. If he simply takes care of the Deity worship and if he does not offer respectful behavior to another devotee, he is kanistha-adhikari. He is in the lower stage. So isvare tad adhinesu. He must see that "Here is a devotee." He must have power to see that "Here is a devotee."

So how to deal with devotee? Maitri: to make friendship with him. Isvare prema. And to the devotees, friendship; not with others, friendship. Caitanya Mahaprabhu advised. When He was asked by a grhastha devotee how to behave like a Vaisnava, what is the behavior of a Vaisnava, He immediately answered that the standard Vaisnavism is asat-sanga-tyaga, -- ei vaisnava-acara: [Cc. Madhya 22.87] "He must give up the company of asat, nondevotees." Asato ma sad gamah. Don't associate with nondevotee. If you want to make progress, don't associate. Associate does not mean to talk with a nondevotee is association. No. That we have to do. As gentlemen, as devotee, we can. But not intimately. Associate means dadati pratigrhnati bhunkte bhojayate caiva, guhyam akhyati prcchati ca. These are intimate relationship, dealing: giving something to your friend, accepting something from your friend, feeding your friend, accept food from him, and disclose your mind to your friend, and understand his mind. Sad-vidham priti-laksanam. So with devotee we should deal in six ways, sad-vidham priti. Isvare prema tad-adhinesu maitri. This is friendly behavior. And krpa balisesu. Those who are innocent, does not know what is God or what is our relationship with Him, but they are not atheist -- they do not know -- to such persons, krpa, daya. Isvare tad-adhinesu balisesu. And there is a class, dvisat, sura-dvisat, simply atheist. As soon as they hear the name of God, Krsna, they become angry. Just like Hiranyakasipu. Innocent child, five years old, Prahlada Maharaja, because he learned from Narada Muni even from the womb of his mother how to become a devotee and from the birth he was a devotee and his father did not like, Hiranyakasipu. Not only he did not like, he was prepared to kill his child in so many ways. That is atheism. Atheists are so much averse, sura-dvisat. They are envious. So to such person the madhyama-adhikari cannot preach because it is useless waste of time. If one is innocent but not envious we can preach there. That will be, I mean to say, fruitful. If we go to atheist and you go on speaking, he will never accept it. So don't waste your time in that way. That is nama-aparadha. But because we have not so much power that we can convert an atheist to become theist or devotee of God That requires special power.

So maha-bhagavata means he is above the madhyama-adhikari. He does not see anyone nondevotee. He sees everyone devotee. He sees all living entities existing in Krsna, and he sees Krsna is living within the heart of everyone. That is maha-bhagavata. What is that verse? Sarva... Mayi pasyati. Yo mam... He is maha-bhagavata. He is maha-bhagavata. He is broad-visioned. Everything. Maya tatam idam sarvam [Bg. 9.4]. In everything He sees Krsna, Krsna's hand, Krsna's energy. Actually that is the fact. What is this microphone? This is also Krsna because what is this? This is made of this material gross matter. Bhumir apo 'nalo vayuh kham mano buddhir eva [Bg. 7.4]. Bhumi... From earth the iron comes, the aluminium comes, the wood comes. So this is combination of bhumir apo analo vayuh, Krsna's energy. Therefore it is Krsna. Sakti saktimatayor abheda. There is no difference between sakti and saktimat. Saktimat is Krsna, and sakti, the manifestation of His energy, of, I mean to say, gross energy Prakrtir me bhinna astadha. Bhinna... Just like I am speaking, and this is recorded in the tape recorder, but when replayed, you will find that I am speaking. But I am not there. Bhinna prakrtir astadha. This is bhinna, originally coming from Krsna, but it is an energy where you cannot find Krsna directly. But it is Krsna's energy.

The maha-bhagavata knows that, that although this material world is a world of forgetfulness of Krsna... Material world means when you forget Krsna. Here you will find cent percent people, they have forgotten Krsna. They do not care to know Krsna, neither they have got any relationship with Krsna. Therefore it is material world. Here the nature is how to forget Krsna. There is a verse in Srimad-Bhagavatam: isad apetasya viparyayo 'smrtih. That is called maya. Maya means viparyayo 'smrtih. Everything is in relationship with God, but he, the rascal atheist, he'll say, jagad ahur anisvaram [Bg. 16.8], there is no isvaram. This is materially This is material world, forgetfulness. Viparyayo 'smrtih.

So the devotee's business is how to enlighten him to come to the point of Krsna consciousness, real smrti. So this is Krsna consciousness movement, means it is an endeavor to bring the rascals and fools and atheists to the platform of Krsna consciousness, the most, I mean to say, important welfare activities in the human society. So that Bharata Maharaja was therefore... He had the power. He had the power to control how to bring the citizens to Krsna consciousness. Therefore he was selected to become the king, not a rascal by vote and come to the become president and you become happy. That is impossible.

Thank you very much. (end)

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