Follow What Krishna Says

Follow What Krishna Says

Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.37
Los Angeles, June 3, 1976

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Pradyumna: Translation: "Sukadeva Gosvami continued: Being thus addressed by the messengers of Yamaraja, the servants of Vasudeva smiled and spoke the following words in voices as deep as the sound of rumbling clouds."

Prabhupada:

sri-suka uvaca
ity ukte yamadutais te
vasudevokta-karinah
tan pratyucuh prahasyedam
megha-nirhradaya gira
 [SB 6.1.37]

In this verse the word vasudevokta-karinah... Vasudeva, Krsna, vasudeva-ukta, ukta means what is said by Vasudeva. Ukta means what is spoken by Vasudeva, Krsna. Vasudevokta-karinah: they'll do that, that's all. This is devotee. There is no difficulty to become devotee. At once you can become a devotee, within a second. They ask something, sometimes, that "How long it will take to become a devotee?" It will take one second. How? Vasudevokta-karinah. You simply accept that whatever Vasudeva says, you'll do, that's all. Vasudeva says so many things. Vasudeva says to Arjuna that "You fight." So if you accept, "Yes, I'll fight," then you become devotee. But Arjuna denied, "No, Krsna, I'll not fight." That is our disease. Our whole disease is that as soon as we agree to accept the words of Krsna, we are liberated, immediately. We are immediately in the Vaikuntha. As as soon we deny, immediately within maya.

krsna bhuliya jive bhoga vancha kare
pasate maya tare japatiya dhare

Two things are there. If you deny to keep yourself in the light, then go to the darkness. And if you deny to keep yourself in the darkness, then go to the light. Two things are side by side. If you agree to act according to Vasudeva's instruction, His order, then you are immediately liberated person. And if you do not, then you are immediately under illusion, maya.

So this is wanted. Liberation But it is very difficult to accept the position that "I shall do whatever Vasudeva says." Immediately our life becomes very clear and happy. Not only happy in this life, but also next life. Tyaktva deham punar janma naiti mam eti kaunteya [Bg. 4.9]. If we accept simply to obey the words of Vasudeva ... It is so simple, but we are so unfortunate that we do not accept. Especially in this age, mandah sumanda matayo manda-bhagyah [SB 1.1.10]. In this age, people in general, they're all bad, mandah. Mandah means bad, nobody's good. Because everyone is in ignorance, the modes of ignorance, that is bad. Or little upwards, in the modes of passion. Rajas-tamo-bhavah [SB 1.2.19]. And the best part, best platform in this material world, is goodness, sattva-guna. Raja-guna, tamo-guna... There are three modes of material nature -- goodness, passion and ignorance. Those who are in ignorance, they are animals, animals platform. Those who are in passion, karmi platform. And those who are in goodness, they're jnani platform. But our aim is to transcend even the jnani platform. Not to remain in the platform of ignorance, not to remain in the platform of passion, and not to remain even in the platform of goodness. That is transcendental. That is transcendental. Just like gopis are going to Krsna at dead of night, at midnight. And how they're going? Krsna is playing the flute, and gopis are running, giving up all their engagement in the family. Somebody was lying with her husband, somebody was engaged in the kitchen, somebody was taking care of the children, so on, so on. But they left everything and went to Krsna. This is transcendental. When we go to Krsna consciousness, giving up everything, that is transcendental platform. Sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja [Bg. 18.66].

So this word is a very important word, vasudevokta-karinah. A devotee has nothing to do anything more except to execute the order of Krsna. That is transcendental platform. They do not know what is transcendental plat... Transcendental meditation means to think of Krsna always. That is transcendental meditation. That is said in the Bhagavad-gita:

yoginam api sarvesam
mad-gatenantar-atmana
sraddhavan bhajate yo mam
sa me yuktatamo matah
 [Bg. 6.47]

Who is the first-class yogi? Krsna says, "That person who is always thinking of Me Yoginam api sarvesam. There are many varieties of yogis, but this person, who is thinking of Me, he has no more to think any other thing." Yoginam api sarvesam mad-gatenantar-atmana: within the core of the heart, he's thinking of Krsna. This is the ideal transcendental meditation, meditation. It has become a medicine now. (laughter) To become fatty, to have more power for sex, it is not meditation, but medicine. So this is wanted. Yoginam api sarvesam mad-gatenantar-atmana [Bg. 6.47]. That is the supermost, topmost position of yogi. Anyabhilasita-sunyam jnana-karmady anavrtam [Brs. 1.1.11]. In this material world the jnana-bhumika, or the modes of goodness, that is very estimated. So, transcending that position also. Karma is lower position, karmis... (aside:) That child is disturbing. Hm. Jnana-karmady-anavrtam anukulyena krsnanusilanam [Cc. Madhya 19.167]. Simply remain prepared how to execute the order of Krsna. Anukulyena. "Krsna says this; now I must do it." That is vasudevokta-karinah. Ukta means whatever He says.

So the Krsna conscious life is not very difficult. It is very easy. In one second, if he agrees: "Yes, Krsna, whatever You say, I shall do..." That Arjuna did at last, after hearing the whole Bhagavad-gita. When Krsna asked, inquired from him, "Now, what is your decision...?" Krsna never interferes with your decision. You have got little independence. Krsna has given you. But if you use your independence, do not like to obey the orders of Krsna, that is your business. You can do that. Krsna will not interfere with you. But Krsna says that "If you want actual happiness, liberation, then follow what I say." That is Krsna's request. As we are subordinate, Krsna can order that "You must do it." That Krsna does not say, never. Kuru. He says sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja [Bg. 18.66], "You do it." He doesn't say "You must." That is your option. You can deny it. That is going on. Krsna is instructing everything perfectly, but why people are not doing? That is his discretion. That Krsna gives always. After teaching Bhagavad-gita thoroughly, He asked Arjuna: "Now, Arjuna, I have spoken to you everything. Now it is up to you to do it or not to do it." Yathecchasi tatha kuru [Bg. 18.63]. Yatha-icchasi: "Whatever you like, you do." He doesn't force, but Arjuna, that is, means knowledge, Arjuna said nasto mohah: "My illusion is now over." Nasto mohah smrtir labdha: "Now I am remembering, I am memorizing my position," tvat-prasadad, "by Your grace." So karisye vacanam tava [Bg. 18.73]: "Now I shall act as You desire." This is perfection of life. Whenever we decide that "Now we shall act as Krsna says," then our life is perfect. Vasudeva-uktah karinah.

They were smiling. When the Yamadutas challenged them that "Who are you? You look like very nice, coming from some very, very nice place. You are very well dressed, and you are all young men and nicely dressed, everything Oh, why you are interfering with our business?" So, they were smiling. They were smiling because they knew their business. They knew their business, they have come to rescue Ajamila by the order of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. So they know their position, that "We have come from the supreme controller. You cannot do any more this things. That is your foolishness." They were smiling that "What these foolish persons are asking us question?" Our position is like that. Anyone who is preaching Krsna consciousness, you may protest against Krsna consciousness, we shall smile, that's all. (laughter) We know our duty. Yes. We shall simply smile, that "What these nonsense speaking?" We shall go on, forward, because we are carrying the order of Krsna. We shall be protected in every respect. Nobody can supersede our order. This is our position. So they were smiling that "What these nonsense are speaking?" Yes. So tan pratyucuh prahasya idam megha-nirhradaya. Just like cloud. Cloud means sounds, everything stops. Megha-nirhradaya. So the point is that those who are preaching Krsna consciousness, if they are strictly following vasudevoktah, whatever Vasudeva has said or the Vasudeva's representative has said, if he's simply prepared to carry out the orders, then his position is very secure. His position is very secure.

So we are Krsna conscious men or we are known as Hare Krsna men. Anyway... So we are not manufacturing something imaginary. That is not our position. Vasudevoktah. We are simply excecuting what Vasudeva has spoken, that's all. So our task is very easy, because we haven't got to manufacture, tax our brain, to create something nonsense. No. Our position is very clear. Krsna has said man-mana bhava mad-bhakto mad-yaji mam namaskuru [Bg. 18.65]. This is Krsna's words. So many things, these are important things. Krsna says that "Always think of Me." So we are saying the same thing. "My dear friend, my dear student, my dear son, chant Hare Krsna." Then you'll think of Krsna. Man-mana. And, who will chant Hare Krsna? Mad-bhakto. Unless one agrees to become a devotee of Krsna, why he'll chant? Man-mana bhava mad-bhakto mad-yaji: "You worship Me." So we have created this temple. Come on, worship Krsna. And mam namaskuru -- and whoever comes to the temple, he offers obeisances. We teach how to offer obeisances as soon as we enter. That is our business. Where is the difficulty? There is no difficulty. Either you are learned or a fool or rich or poor or black or white or American or Indian, Hindu, Muslim, never mind -- take this lesson, you become perfect. So human society should take advantage of this movement and do these four things only -- man-mana bhava mad-bhakto mad-yaji mam namaskuru. Then what is the... Mam evaisyasi asamsayah: [Bg. 18.65] "I guarantee you come back to home, back to Godhead, by this process."

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Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.33
San Francisco, July 18, 1975

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Nitai: "Dear sirs, whose servant are you, where have you come from, and for what reason are you forbidding us to touch the body of Ajamila? Are you coming from the heavenly planets, are you demigods, sub-demigods, or the best of the perfected devotees?"

Prabhupada:

kasya va kuta ayatah
kasmad asya nisedhatha
kim deva upadeva ya
yuyam kim siddha-sattamah
 [SB 6.1.33]

This Yamaraja, he has been given his jurisdiction on the lower portion of the universe, Patala. Yamaraja is not one of the candidates, but he has been designated to go down and administer the government there. (child making noise)
Jayatirtha: The children should go out.

Prabhupada: So narayana-parah sarve na kutascana bibhyati [SB 6.17.28]. Just like government servant, they have to go anywhere the government orders, "You go and see there." So Yamaraja is, although one of the mahajanas, great personality, most confidential devotee and officer of Krsna... There are twelve great personalities: Lord Brahma...

svayambhur naradah sambhuh
kumarah kapilo manuh
prahlado janako bhismo
balir vaiyasakir vayam
 [SB 6.3.20]

So Yamaraja is also one of the twelve exalted officers or representative of Krsna. But still, he has gone to take charge of the judicial department for judging the sinful -- not all, only the sinful.

So these Yamadutas, order carriers of Yamaraja, they were surprised to see how nice they are, good-looking. So they were surprised, and they were asking question that kasya va, "Whose servants you are? We are Yamaraja's servant. We are so ugly-looking, and you are so beautiful. So whose servants you are?" Kasya, "whose," means either "whose servant" or "whose son," like that. Kasya va kuta ayatah: "And wherefrom you are coming?" Kasmat: "And what is the business? Here you have got... You are so nice-looking. We have come to take this sinful man, and what business you have got here? Why you are forbidding us?" Kim devah: "Are you demigods or semi-demigods?" In the upper planetary system there are gods, demigods. But yuyam kim siddha-sattamah. Siddha-sattamah means in the spiritual world. Siddha means "completely perfect," and sattamah, "devotees."

Within this material world, there is one Siddhaloka. Siddha, carana. They are called siddha means all the yogic mystic powers they have got naturally. Here in this, on the earthly planet, if we want to get some mystic power, we have to practice it by yoga, mystic exercise. But in that planet, Siddhaloka, they are born perfect. Just like if you want to swim in the water, you have to learn it; you have to practice it. But within the sea or water even a small fish, he can very expertly swim, a born qualification. You cannot go against the current of the sea or the water of the river, but a small fish takes pleasure going against the current. Tulasi dasa has said that to go against the current is very difficult. Even an elephant is washed away. But a small fish, because he has taken shelter of the ocean, he can go against the current. This is the... So if we take shelter of Krsna, then even the current is against, we can go because... The same example: the fish has taken shelter of the ocean. Although very small animal, he can go against the...

So siddha-sattamah. Siddhas... Here we have to practice to become siddha, perfect, but there, in the Siddhaloka, they are so perfect that they can go from one planet to another. The yogis can go, but they are born yogis. One planet... This is described in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. We have seen in this Second Canto. There is Siddhaloka. So many planets are there, so many opulences are there, that it cannot be compared. And there is description. So one planet to another, or one planet to the Sumeru hills, there is long, millions of miles, made of gold. They are gold. Similarly copper. Similarly, there are different oceans. Now, we may not believe, but there is no question of believing. You cannot say, "There is no such thing." But we can say because we get the information from the sastra. You have no evidence, so you cannot say "No." You can say "Maybe," but we don't say "Maybe." There is because we get the information from the sastra.

So kasya va kuta ayatah kasmad asya nisedhatha: "Then why you are forbidding us? You look so nicely, very highly born, and why you are forbidding us? We have come here to discharge our duties, to take this man to Yamaloka. He is so sinful. Why you are interrupting our business?" Yes. So in the next verses the description is there of the Visnuduta. So sarve padma-palasaksah: exactly the feature like Narayana. Padma-palasa: their eyes are compared with the lotus petal, very nice. Sarve: "All of you look so nice." Padma-palasa-aksah pita-kauseya-vasasah. In Vaikuntha, people, they also dress with yellow cloth, pita-kauseya, or this saffron color. This is Vaikuntha dress. Kauseya, pita, the dress, garments. Kiritinah: "with helmets." Kundalinah: "with nice earring." Kiritinah kundalino lasat-puskara-malinah, "and very nice flower garland." This is Vaikuntha dress. Lasat-puskara-malinah, sarve ca nutna-vayasah: all young men. In Vaikuntha there is no old age, although they are eternal. That is the real form of the spirit. The old age is due to this body, material body. Material thing is born and stays for some time, and then it is annihilated. So up to the time of annihilation, it becomes so old, nasty, bad-looking. But in the Vaikuntha there is no such thing. Nityah sasvato 'yam.

The Vaikuntha planet, because that is spiritual body, that is nityah sasvatah. Never it become... Just like Krsna or Narayana or Visnu. They are not old. You will find all these pictures of Narayana, Visnu, Krsna -- all young men. So they are also... The inhabitants of Vaikuntha on the spiritual planet, they are also exactly of the same feature. You everything get exactly like God. This is Vaikunthaloka. The opulence is also like that. Sarsti. There are five kinds of mukti, liberation. One is sayujya, to merge into the existence. That is also mukti. But Vaisnava does not like such kind of mukti. They think to merge, to become one with the Supreme and lost our individuality, that is, Vaisnava thinks, as hell. Kaivalyam narakayate. Why? We shall keep ourself, our individuality, the body exactly like Krsna. In the Goloka Vrndavana they keep exactly like two-handed Krsna. In the Vaikuntha they also keep themselves four-handed as Visnu, Narayana. So the Vaisnavas are very intelligent. They want to keep themself in as good as God. Sometimes more than God, Vaisnava. That is very intelligent. What is the use of becoming one? I lose my individuality. So that is jnani's aspiration. But the bhaktas, they want to keep association with Krsna or Visnu in the same opulence, same prosperity, everything, bodily features the same, everything.

So advaitam acyutam anadim ananta-rupam adyam purana-purusam nava-yauvanam ca [Bs. 5.33]. So nava-yauvanam. Lord Visnu, Narayana, Krsna, or the liberated devotees there, they are of the same bodily feature, nava-yauvanam, always young. Therefore it is said, sarve ca nutna-vayasah. Vayasah means age, and nutna means just fresh young man. Nutna-vayasah sarve caru-caturbhujah: "All of you are very beautiful, with four hands." So even the living entities they have got also four hands, not empty hands, with good ornament, good dress, and the complexion, color -- everything like Visnu. Everything like Visnu. Sarve caru-caturbhujah, dhanur-nisangasi-gada-sankha-cakrambuja-sriyah. And the weapons: dhanuh, bow; dhanur-nisanga asi, the arrows and the sword; gada, club; sankha, conchshell; and cakra, disc. As Visnu has Sudarsana... Sankha-cakra-gada-padma. There are fourteen different forms of Visnu according to the position of the weapon in different hand, beginning with sankha-cakra-gada-padma, then cakra-gada-sankha-padma, in this way. These description are there in the Caitanya-caritamrta. And according to the change of the weapon, the different names are there. One visnu-murti is called Vamana; one murti is called Govinda. In this way there are twenty-four forms of Visnu, sankha-cakra-gada-padma, according to Their placing in different hands.

So these Visnudutas, they are exactly dressed like Visnu or equipped with ornaments and everything. Then again, disah vitimiralokah. And on account of their presence... They have got also bodily effulgence. As Visnu has got bodily effulgence, similarly, the Visnudutas, they have also the bodily effulgence so that wherever they will go, it will be illuminated immediately. There is no necessity of light or sunshine. They personally, they make the place illuminated. Diso vitimira. Timira means darkness, and vi means without. Wherever they will be present... Therefore, in the spiritual world everyone has got the spiritual effulgence, so whole planet is full of effulgence. Just like one example is here in this material world, the sun. There there are living entities. They are also all light because their body is made of fire. And many hundreds and thousands and millions of people with the fiery body, they are living. Therefore you will find always sun fiery, light. Just like you can see from distance a big city. The light is coming out. Is it not? In the night you see a big city, and you are in the village, you will find a big light is coming. So that is artificial, electric light. But in the Vaikunthaloka normally, regularly, their body is light.

We have got one example to learn: the sun planet. Everything is fiery there. Don't think that there is no life. Just like they are concluding, "In this moon planet there is no life." No. Every planet is full of living entities, either in the Vaikunthaloka or in this material world. Sarva-gah sthanur acalo 'yam. Living entities are everywhere. Therefore we cannot believe that these people went to moon planet, because they say there is no living entity. That is not possible. That is not possible. Living entities are everywhere. Even in the fiery planet like the sun, there are. But we are rascals. We think everyone is rascal like us. Atmavat manyate jagat. If one is rascal, he thinks all other rascals also. That is nature. He cannot think that "Somebody is more intelligent than me." He thinks, "I am rascal; therefore everyone is rascal." Atmavat manyate jagat. This is the formula. You will find the example: just like a deaf man. He speaks very slowly. He thinks the other man is also speaking slowly. No. He is deaf. Other man is crying, but he is hearing very slow. Therefore a deaf man speaks very slow. He thinks that he is speaking slow. So atmavat manyate jagat. This is the nature.

So because we cannot live in the fire, it does not mean that there is no such living entity whose body is made of fire. Because I cannot live in the water, don't think there is no living entity. Huge, big, big living entities are there within the water. Why should you think there is no living entity? Similarly, the watery living entities, they may think there is nobody in the land, because they cannot live in the land. This is God's creation. Vicitra. Vicitra means varieties, varieties. There are living entities on the earth. Within the earth you will see. When you go to the beach, there are so many living entities within the earth. Or here, within the wall, there are so many living entities. Sarva-gah. Everywhere there are living entities. There is living entities in the water, there is living entities on the land, there is living entities on the air, and why not in the fire? Fire is also one of the five elements: earth, water, fire, air and sky. So if there are living entities in the water, on the earth, in the air, in the sky, so what is the objection, not in the fire? This is foolishness. And Krsna says in the Bhagavad-gita, imam vivasvate yogam proktavan aham avyayam: [Bg. 4.1] "I spoke this philosophy formerly to the sun-god." So unless there is sun-god or the king of the sun planet... So if the king is there, the citizens must be there, the kingdom must be there -- but they are made of fire. So similarly, in the Vaikuntha world, everything is spiritual. That we have to learn. We cannot make our own conclusion foolishly. That is not possible.

So these people never saw, these Yamaduta, such persons with four hands, so decorated, so effulgent. So they were surprised, that "You are so nice." So diso vitimiralokah kurvantah svena tejasa: "By your personal effulgence, you are illuminating wherever you are standing." Disa. Kim artham dharma-palasya kinkaran no nisedhatha: "You look so beautiful and gentle. Why you are doing this wrong thing? We have come to discharge our duties, and you are forbidding us." Means they could understand that "They are so powerful, they have stopped us to touch Ajamila's body. If we forcibly do, they can punish us." The Yamadutas could understand. Therefore politely asking that "You are so gentle, so good-looking, so nice. Why this is your business, that you are forbidding us in discharging our duties?" Kim artham dharma-palasya. Dharma-pala: "We are also acting not whimsically. We are working under the Dharmaraja, Yamaraja, who is justice, how to make judgment against the sinful man. He is appointed for this purpose, and we are just carrying out his order." Then "You look so gentle and highly exalted. Why you are forbidding us? This is very..." kim artham dharma-palasya kinkaran no nisedhatha.

So we get description of the Visnudutas. Now, at least we can think, if we are transferred to the spiritual world, how much happy we shall be, how much opulent we shall be. Here we are thinking possessing one tin car made of tin, and after one year, it is smashed, and throw it again, and we becoming very opulent. So we do not know what is opulence there in the spiritual world. Not only in the spiritual..., even in this material world. In higher planetary system there are many, many different types, opulence. Svargaloka. This moon planet is also one of the opulent planets within this material world. So that is very, very nice. But these people say they went there and could not find any living entities. So if we believe in the Srimad-Bhagavatam, we have to conclude that these people did not go at all in the moon planet. You have to believe this or that, as you like. But we get information from Srimad-Bhagavatam, the moon planet is one of the heavenly planets. If somebody goes there, he can live there for ten thousands of years. Ten thousands of years means our calculation six times. Then sixty thousands of years like of this planet. So these descriptions are there. So these are the ideas. One can understand what will be our opulence if by chance... Not by chance; by our activities.

What is that activities? That is also explained in the Bhagavad-gita... [break] ...janma karma ca me divyam yo janati tattvatah [Bg. 4.9]. You try to understand Krsna. Simply try to understand. Don't conclude that "Krsna is like us, ordinary human being, maybe little learned more than us, or little power..." No. He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. By His merciful or causeless mercy, He descends to exhibit His form, His activities, so that he can see. Just like in the Buckingham Palace in London, many people are standing. Sometimes the queen comes and stands on the corridor, and everyone can see. That is queen's mercy, not that because she comes in the audience of so many public men; therefore she is also one of them. This is nonsense conclusion. Similarly Krsna, by His causeless mercy if He comes... Some rascals say that God cannot come. Why? Why God cannot come? If He is all-powerful, why He cannot come? Does it mean that God is subject to your dictation that He cannot come? This is foolishness. Yes, God can come; therefore He is all-powerful. He can exhibit Himself to the audience of common man. But only the fortunate man can understand, "Here is God." That is the difference. Krsna, when appeared, a few men upon this planet could understand that "Here is the Supreme Personality of Godhead," especially the Pandavas. They were so fortunate, they could understand, "Krsna is..." Kunti, their mother, she could understand. Kunti, kunti-stotra prayer, you will find how she has realized that "Krsna, although He is playing just like my nephew, my brother's son, but no, He is the Supreme Personality of..." Even Dhrtarastra knew. Dhrtarastra knew that Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. When Krsna sent his messenger to Dhrtarastra, Akrura, to advise him that "Why you are envious of your nephews? You stop this," before the war of Kuruksetra, so Dhrtarastra admitted that "I know that the advice has come from the Supreme Personality of Godhead, but I am so unfortunate, I cannot give up my this habit. Please excuse." So even Dhrtarastra knew, and what to speak of the Pandavas?

So that is the defect of conditioned souls, that they want to see God, and even God comes personally, they cannot see. They cannot see. So who can see? Premanjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilo... One how has got love for God, he can see God all the time, and now what to speak of God comes personally before him? So we have to learn from the Supreme Personality of Godhead everything, what is the situation of this material world, what is the situation of the spiritual world. Everything perfectly, there is described in the Srimad-Bhagavatam, and we have to learn. Then our life is successful.

Thank you very much. (end)

 

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Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.33
Honolulu, June 1, 1976

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Pradyumna: (leads chanting, etc.) Translation: "Dear sirs, whose servants are you, where have you come from, and why are you forbidding us to touch the body of Ajamila? Are you demigods from the heavenly planets, are you subdemigods, or are you the best of the devotees?"

Prabhupada:

kasya va kuta ayatah
kasmad asya nisedhatha
kim deva upadeva ya
yuyam kim siddha-sattamah
 [SB 6.1.33]

So the Yamadutas, their description of the body already given. They are not very good-looking. So when they saw the Visnu-duta -- the description of the Visnu-duta is in the next verse -- they were surprised, that "Wherefrom such nice features of the body..." They have been described here, sarve padma-palasaksah. They saw that their eyes were just like petals of the lotus flower, so beautiful. Sarve padma-palasaksah pita-kauseya-vasasah. And all dressed in saffron cloth, yellow. Kiritinah, with helmet, kundalino, and earrings. Kundalino. Lasat-puskara-malinah. And with flower garland. Just imagine if somebody is very good-looking, with helmet and nice earring, bedecked with jewels, and the helmet bedecked with jewels, and cloth yellow, with garland, four hands. Sarve ca nutna-vayasah. All young, not old like me; all young like you. Nutna-vayasah. Just (indistinct) very young. Sarve ca nutna-vayasah sarve caru-caturbhujah. And four-handed. Here we get two hands, in the Vaikuntha planet we get four hands. Dhanur nisa angasi-gada-sankha-cakra-ambuja sriyah. And each hand is decorated with bow, arrow, sword, and conchshell, and disc. Like that. This is the description of Vaikuntha features.

So always young. There is no old age, disease, or birth and death. Here in this material world these four things are there: birth, death, old age and disease. In the spiritual world the men are so beautiful, and imagine the women also still more beautiful, very attractive. But there is no sex. That is the feature we find in... Why there? Because, after all, we want pleasure. So in the material world the topmost pleasure is sex, because there is no other idea. So all people, even so-called yogis, swamis and... Ultimately they are coming down to sex. Whatever they have got asset, the culmination is sex. Old man, he has got money, he has got everything -- still he is going to the night club. So here in this material world, yan maithunadi-grhamedhi-sukham hi tuccham [SB 7.9.45]. In the material world, grha-medhi... Grha-medhi means those who are entrapped within this universe or within this body, same thing. This is also entrapment, I am within this body. Or even in any part of the universe, either you go to the moon planet or sun planet or any other planet. You see the sky is just like egglike, within that. They are called baddha-jiva. Baddha-jiva means entrapped. So entrapped living entities, they are in different grades of life, 8,400,000 different forms of life. Now, how they are entrapped? This sex. Yan maithunadi-grhamedhi-sukham hi tuccham. This is their pleasure. And in the spiritual world there is no sex. So one may question, "How they are living? Life is finished if there is no sex.' So somebody committed suicide, who was telling? Because doctor asked him not to have any more sex. Who told me the other day? Somebody told me, some big man. He was famous man. So he was forbidden. Especially when one is attacked with tuberculosis, the medical man advises, "No more sex. Then you will die soon." So this was ordered and he committed suicide.

Devotee: Very soon.

Prabhupada: Eh?

Devotee: Very soon.

Prabhupada: Just see. It is practical. Because his... The life is finished there is no sex life. Actually that is the fact here. Birds, beast, you will find the pigeons, the dogs, they are enjoying sex at least four times in a hour. There are men also like that. So here in this material world the sex life is the top pleasure. Yan maithunadi-grhamedhi-sukham hi tuccham. It is very abominable. Just imagine what kind of happiness it is, but we are forced to act like that. So tuccham, very insignificant. Yan maithunadi grhamedhi sukham hi tuccham [SB 7.9.45]. What kind of pleasure? Kanduyanena karayor iva duhkha-duhkham. It is just like itching between the two hands. And trpyanti neha krpana bahu duhkha-bhajah. The aftereffects of sex life is very, very bad.

So in that interview I gave that information that woman's freedom? I gave this reply, that "Where is the woman's freedom? The boy and the girl intermingle, and the girl becomes pregnant, and the boy goes away without any responsibility, and the burden..., the child is a burden for the woman. Either she should kill or beg from the government. Is that independence?" They are trying to be independent. This is not civilization. There is no question of independence. The woman must be given protection in childhood by the father unless she is married, and in youthhood by the husband, and in old age by grown up sons. This is Vedic civilization. Na striyam svatantram arhati. Just like children, they must be always protected. It is not dependence, it is protection. So there should be responsible father, responsible husband, responsible sons to keep woman very happy. In India still it is going on.

So the point is that here the sex life is the highest pleasure, and in the spiritual world there is no sex. So what is that pleasure? That pleasure is this chanting and dancing, Hare Krsna maha-mantra. That is stated in the sastra. They are so much absorbed in this chanting and dancing, they are no more interested in sex. That is the only way. If you want to stop the pleasure of sex, then you have to take this pleasure, this transcendental pleasure. You'll forget everything. That is said by Yamunacarya:

yad avadhi mama cetah krsna-padaravindayor
nava-nava-dhaman udyata rantum asit
tad-avadhi bata nari-sangame smaryamane
bhavati mukha-vikarah sustu nisthivanam ca

Yamunacarya was a very big king. So he had very good opportunity for sex life, he was king. But later on he became perfect Vaisnava, devotee. So after he became devotee, he was expressing his experience, that "Since I have taken to Krsna consciousness and I am enjoying that ecstatic love for Krsna, whenever I think of sex with woman, I spite." Bhaktih paresanubhavo viraktir anyatra ca [SB 11.2.42]. So if we want to be free from the entanglement of this world, we should practice... That practice, simply artificial practice will not help. Unless we advance in Krsna consciousness, unless we become accustomed to enjoy this ecstasy of chanting and dancing, it is not possible.

So they were surprised, wherefrom these beautiful... They never experienced. Because these Yamadutas, they generally... Just like police. Police go to the thieves, rogues and criminals. They have very little opportunity to see very beautiful, aristocratic, nice family. They have no possibility because they are invited by this class (indistinct) or they are forced to go there. So these Yamadutas, they are accustomed to go to the sinful men like Ajamila and many others. Their business is to arrest the sinful soul and take the soul to Yamaraja. So they were very much surprised by seeing these beautiful Visnuduta. Visnuduta. So don't think it is mythology. No. This is fact. Vyasadeva or big big saintly persons, they have no business to present before you something mythology. Why they should waste time in that way? It is simply rascaldom to think all the statement as mythology. Not mythology. We have no knowledge. In the sastra we understand, yasya prabha prabhavato jagad-anda-koti [Bs. 5.40]. Yasya prabha. The rays of Krsna's body, when it is expanded, brahmajyoti, within that brahmajyoti there are innumerable universes. Just like within the sunlight, sunshine, there are innumerable planets. We are seeing daily. Similarly, there are innumerable universes in the brahmajyoti. Yasya prabha prabhavato jagad-anda-koti [Bs. 5.40]. And kotisu, and each and every universe, millions, kotisu. Yasya prabha prabhavato jagad-anda-koti-kotisu asesa-vasudhadi-vibhuti-bhinnam [Bs. 5.40]. Vasudha, vasudha means planet. Just like this is also vasudha, this planet here. We can see there are so many millions of planets, at night you can see, and each of them is peculiar, different from the others. Why they have failed to utilize the moon planet? It is a different atmosphere. It is different atmosphere. These rascals cannot go there. It is not possible. They have simply made false propaganda. They cannot go there. So because the atmosphere is different... There is also blazing fire surrounded by ice. That is the description. I am speaking from the description. And therefore at night it is so pleasing. You have got experience. Fire coming through ice, the rays, that is very pleasing. Therefore sunshine is making the whole thing very hot, and the moonshine making it pleasing.

So God's arrangement is so nice that everything is going on nicely. There is brain behind it. Why there is sunshine, why there is moonshine, everything described. You'll read in the Srimad-Bhagavatam, moon is the cause of vegetation, and there is no vegetation, that's all. Moon is the cause of vegetation in all planets, and they say there is no vegetation, it is simply dust. So we have to believe it? And when you present actual fact, it is mysticism or mythology. Anyway, we are not concerned with their statement. Our process is to know things from the sastra. Sadhu-sastra-guru-vakya tinete kariya aikya. Our process is deductive, not inductive. We take knowledge, just like this Srimad-Bhagavatam written by Vyasadeva under the instruction of his guru, spiritual master, Narada. So Narada advised him that "You have written so many books: Puranas, Vedas, Vedanta." Vyasadeva said, "Still I am not feeling very satisfied." So Narada Muni advised him that "You are not feeling satisfied because you have not described about the Supreme Personality of Godhead. That is the defect. So now you have got mature experience. You describe simply about the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krsna." So therefore he wrote the Srimad-Bhagavatam, eighteen thousand verses. So each verse, we are reading suppose one verse daily, or two verses. So eighteen thousand verses, how long it will take? At least five thousand days. So five thousand days, how many years?

Devotee: Seven years?

Prabhupada: Seven years? Five thousand verses. Anyway, so we have got enough stock in the Srimad-Bhagavatam, at least whatever we have published. One thousand days how many years?

Devotee: Three years.

Prabhupada: Two years?

Pusta Krsna: It would take between twenty-five and thirty years.

Prabhupada: Yes. Not seven years. (laughter) If we regularly read two verses. That will be also not possible. Anyway, we can read. Not once reading you can understand. Repeatedly. Punah punah (indistinct) the stock which we have already got, you can study and take lessons from the Vedic literature. Make your life perfect. What kind of residential quarters are there throughout the whole universe, how many universes are there, what is the special features of different residents. But don't take this nonsense instruction that "Except on this planet there is no life other planet." This is simply nonsense. Every planet is congested with living entities. This is the description of the sastra. Jana, jana means "congested with," but different types. Just like they have come from Vaikuntha, their bodily feature is different. We have got experience here on this planet in some portion there are black people, some portion there are white people, some portion there are yellow people. There are so many manifestation within this planet. Just imagine how many. This is God's creation, different varieties. Just like we see on this planet. Why on this planet? Even on this Hawaii island how many beautiful things, flowers, trees, and fruits. That is God's creation. Ananda. Variety is the mother of enjoyment. If you want enjoyment there must be variety. Impersonal without variety, zero, these are not enjoyment. This is all rascaldom. The voidists make everything zero. Why zero? There must be varieties. Variety is the mother of enjoyment.

So Krsna, the Supreme Person... We are also. Because we are part and parcel of Krsna we have got the same quality. So you see Krsna, He is enjoying with the gopis, with the cowherd boys, friends, in Vrndavana, in the forest, with cows, with calves. This is enjoyment, variety. Zero is enjoyment? No. Zero is not enjoyment. Ananda mayo 'bhyasat. This is the Vedanta-sutra, that the Absolute Truth, Personality of Godhead, is simply enjoying. Everything enjoyment. You find Krsna always, wherever He is, He is playing on flute with company, either gopis or cowherd boy or somebody, somebody. This is enjoyment. And He comes personally on this planet to show His enjoyment life in Vrndavana -- that place is Vrndavana; therefore Vrndavana is so important -- to invite us that "Why you are not in here? Come with Me. Enjoy with My dance." Similarly, Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu also you see dancing. Sri-krsna-caitanya prabhu-nityananda sri-advaita-gadadhara srivasadi... All dancing. Sango-pangastra-parsada. So the life is this enjoyment, dancing. That is life, not meditation, "For fifteen minutes' meditation I become God. That's all." (laughter) These are all rascals. Enjoyment is real life. Enjoyment. That enjoyment, not this material world, the sex. No. Above this. Transcendental. That we find information in Krsna consciousness.

So I am very glad that you have all taken. Continue this Krsna consciousness. Read books, chant, dance, eat nicely and be happy.

Thank you very much.

Devotees: Jaya. (kirtana) (end)

 

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Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.32
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Nitai: "Being forbidden in this way, the order carriers of the son of the sun-god, Yamaraja, immediately replied: Who are all of you who have the audacity to oppose the ruling jurisdiction of Yamaraja, the king of religious principles?"

Prabhupada:

ucur nisedhitas tams te
vaivasvata-purahsarah
ke yuyam pratiseddharo
dharma-rajasya sasanam
 [SB 6.1.32]

Dharma-rajasya sasanam. There is a ruling all over the universe under the jurisdiction of Dharmaraja, or the supreme judge, for considering sinful and pious activities. There is a big government within this universe. But those who are thinking very poorly, without any advanced knowledge, atheist, they think that everything is coming automatically. Anisva, anisvara rahuh.(?) They say there is no isvara, supreme ruler, and everything is happening by nature. But they cannot explain what is nature. At least, they have to admit nature is a power which is controlling him. We are not independent of the laws of nature. That is not possible. Even if you accept nature, then you are under the control of nature. That is a fact. Who is controlling nature, that you may not know because your knowledge is very poor. But nature is controlling you, that you can understand, everyone can understand. You cannot supersede the laws of nature. Daivi hy esa gunamayi mama maya duratyaya [Bg. 7.14]. Just like ordinary criminal, thief. The police is chastising him. He does not think that there is any other power over the police. He thinks the police is the father and mother, and he is poor class. He does not know that police is not the supreme power. The supreme power is the president or the minister of law and order. He thinks, "This constable is everything." So poor-class thinking, they think nature is everything. But any way, everyone is under the control of nature.

prakrteh kriyamanani
gunaih karmani sarvasah
ahankara-vimudhatma
kartaham iti manyate
 [Bg. 3.27]

The so-called scientists, thinker, they are thinking that "We are everything. We can create, and we can control over the nature." These are all mad thinking. It is not possible. Nobody has ever been able to control over the nature, what to speak of understanding God. God is the controller of nature. Mayadhyaksena prakrtih suyate sa-caracaram [Bg. 9.10]. Nature is not independent.

So anyway, we are dependent on the laws of nature. That nobody can deny, even the greatest scientist, he cannot also deny. And because we are under the control of the laws of nature, we must admit, if we are sane man, that there is a system of ruling. If we deny the supreme ruler, we may do it madly, but there must be a systematic action, reaction. So here is Dharmaraja. Just like we have got magistrate. So magistrate's duty is, when a criminal is brought before him, to judge what kind of punishment he should be allowed. Justice there is. Similarly, this Dharmaraja means the criminals are brought before him. Dharmaraja is appointed magistrate by the Supreme Lord. So everyone, after death, he is brought before Dharmaraja, the Yamaraja, and he judges what kind of next body this criminal will have. That is Dharmaraja. He is judged by his work. Karmana daiva-netrena jantur deha-upapattaye [SB 3.31.1]. Just like the magistrate punishes the criminal, what kind of punishment he should be awarded, how he will be allowed to live within the prison house. Just like a political prisoner. In our country just now they have... So many big, big leaders have been arrested. But they are not put in the same level of ordinary criminals. They are given all facilities. They are given nice house, servants and newspaper. They are given all facilities of indepen..., outside life, according to the position. They are called first-class prisoners. And there are similarly second-class prisoners, third-class prisoners. So this is judged by a person.

So here we are all prisoners within the material world, and some of us are first-class prisoners, and some of us second class, and some of us third class. Therefore, we see the higher class of men in the society, middle class of men in the society, either in human society or even animal society... There is first-class animal, second-class animal, third-class animal. In the trees also, the same work is going on by nature. Prakrteh kriyamanani gunaih karmani sarvasah [Bg. 3.27]. One tree is supplying mango, so this mango tree is respect, and another tree, which is producing nothing, they are cut and made into fuel, because useless, no use. So amongst the trees, also you will find first class, second class, third class. Amongst the birds, beasts, animals, there is... Just like lion. He is also animal, and dog is also animal. They are not on the same level. Amongst the birds there are swans and there are crows. The crow is different from the swan although they are birds. The standard of enjoyment by the crows is different from the standard of enjoyment of the swan, white swan.

tad-vag-visargo janatagha-viplavo
yasmin prati-slokam abaddhavaty api
namany anantasya yaso 'nkitani yat
srnvanti gayanti grnanti sadhavah
[SB 1.5.11]

Now here we are studying Srimad-Bhagavatam or Bhagavad-gita. This is... This literature is meant for the swans, not for the crows. That is the division. And other literatures, sex literatures and these criminal literatures -- there are so many literatures -- they are meant for the crows, crow-class men. And this literature is meant for swan-class of men, swan, paramahamsa. We are also reading... We are not interested with the lump of newspaper. We are interested in Srimad-Bhagavatam. Why? Because within this literature there is glorification of the Supreme Lord, how He is conducting the whole universal affair, how the sun is rising exactly in time by His order, the moon is rising exactly by His order, not a minute's deviation. The big, big ocean, Pacific Ocean, Atlantic Ocean, very big, powerful, but still within the limit. The Pacific Ocean cannot come beyond the jurisdiction. So who is managing this? Yasyajnaya bhramati sambhrta-kala-cakrah. Even the biggest planet within this universe, the sun, it is also rotating in his orbit by the supreme order. So there is supreme order everywhere. There is government. There is ruling. But the rascals, they cannot see. They simply believe in the direct experience. Direct experience is not first-class experience. The first-class experience is to receive knowledge from the person who knows. That is first-class experience.

There are there types of experience. One kind of experience is direct experience. That is third-class. And another experience is by history, by books. And another experience is by hearing from the Supreme. So we are gathering experience by hearing from the Supreme. Just like here Sukadeva Gosvami is narrating Srimad-Bhagavatam. He has heard it from his father, Vyasadeva. His father has heard it from Narada Muni, his spiritual master. Narada Muni has heard it from Brahma, the first living creature within this universe. And Brahma has heard it from Krsna. This is called parampara system. So this kind of knowledge is perfect knowledge. Evam parampara-praptam imam rajarsayo viduh [Bg. 4.2]. This Vivasvan... Evam parampara-praptam imam rajarsayo viduh. Imam vivasvate yogam proktavan aham avyayam [Bg. 4.1]. Krsna said, "I first of all narrated this yoga system to Vivasvan, Vivasvan, the sun-god." Vivasvan manave praha: "So Vivasvan, the sun-god, from him, Manu heard it." Here also it is said, vaivasvata-purahsarah. The vaivasvata, this word, comes from Vivasvan. The Yamaraja is authorized because he also heard everything about truth from Vivasvan. Therefore his name is vaivasvata-purahsarah. And his servants, they heard it from their master. This is the way. This is the way of understanding.

So ucur nisedhitas tams te. They are the servants of Yamaraja, vaivasvata. So therefore they are vaivasvata-purahsarah. The important assistants of Vaivasvata, Yamaraja, they heard that somebody is warning, "Don't touch." In the previous verse we have learned, varayam asuh, forbidden, "Don't touch," ojasa, very strongly. So they became surprised, "Who are these persons? They are interfering with our business. We have come from supreme authority, magistrate." Just like police comes with his warrant of magistrate -- nobody can check it. If somebody wants to check it, then he will be punished. The whole government force is behind the warrant of the police. Nobody can check it. If there is riot, then government will bring military forces to accept. So this is called ruling. So we are under these rulings. However foolishly we may declare we are independent, that is our completely foolishness. When the warrant is there, you cannot check it. The whole power is behind. Either you become the great scientist or philosopher, when the warrant of death will come from Yamaraja, there is no power to check it. Therefore they were surprised, that "Who is this foolish?" But they saw that the persons, they are coming from Vaikuntha. They had different features, so beautiful, four handed, nicely decorated. So they were surprised.

Therefore in the next verse it is:

kasya va kuta ayatah
kasmad asya nisedhatha
kim deva upadeva ya
yuyam kim siddha-sattamah

"You are so nice." Because they are Yamaraja. Their bodily features already described: twisted face and the hair standing just perpendicularly. So they never saw. Why they? Even... We are supposed to be civilized man. We have not seen how the bodies are there in the Vaikuntha. Here you can understand that in the Vaikuntha planets, as the Lord Visnu is four-handed, similarly, all the inhabitants there, they are also four-handed and equally dressed. Just like here, if your President Ford comes, he also dressed like a nice gentleman. And there are many others also, equally nicely dressed. You cannot distinguish who is President and who is ordinary man. Similarly, in the Vaikunthaloka all the inhabitants are equally in external feature: four-handed with the weapons -- the disc, the club, the conchshell, the lotus flower. All the Vaikuntha's inhabitants: the same dress, same garment, same ornaments, same weapons. But still, there is distinction, that kaustubha jewel. That you will find Him hanging. By that kaustubha jewel, one can understand that "Here is Lord Visnu, and here is ordinary living being." Just like the president has got his confidential plaque. If one challenges his credential, he can show, "Yes." The same principle.

So ruling is there. You can say foolishly that "There is no ruling. I can do whatever I like." That you can do. Just like Ajamila was doing. But now the two classes of messengers have come. The Yamadutas have come to take him away because externally he is the most sinful man. Therefore they are protesting, "How is that? It is already settled up. This man has committed so many sinful activities. So they are under our jurisdiction. Who are you, you are forbidding us?" But the Visnudutas have come there because although he was sinful, although he was most impious, although he was a prostitute-hunter and cheater and so many good qualities, still, he has chanted the holy name of Narayana at the end of his life. Immediately Visnudutas... This is the facility. Whole life sinful, ante narayana-smrtih [SB 2.1.6], but he has remembered Narayana at the end of his life. Very painful life. At the time of death it is very, very painful. We have got experience. Therefore you do not wish to die, because it is very, very painful. Similarly, after death, immediately, by the discrimination of Yamaraja, he gets another body. Karmana daiva-netrena [SB 3.31.1]. Daiva-netrena, by the supervision of superior power, the Yamaraja takes away, and then he gives a body. First of all he is put into the hellish condition of life as he will get. Then, when he is little practiced, then he is given the similar body. Otherwise how it...? It will be... Suppose a person from, coming from very high family or king's royal family, but he has acted just like dogs and dogs. Then next life he is going to have a body of hog or dog. So therefore he is put into such life, subtle life -- that is Yamaraja's business -- to be used in that way of life Then he is given a solid body or gross body so that the same royal prince, he can very easily eat stool. This is the process, nature's process is going on. Prakrteh kriyamanani gunaih karmani sarvasah [Bg. 3.27]. They are simply explaining "nature." How nature is working, these foolish rascals, they do not know. They do not know. Nature is working. That is fact. But how the nature is working, how different forms of body, different activities are going on, by whose judgment, who is looking after, these things they do not know. This is the modern education.

But Krsna conscious person, they know how things are going on, how nature is working, what is the effect. Everything we will find in the Srimad-Bhagavatam, how many different planetary systems are there, what is the situation each and every planet. You will get all this description in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. There are... We have got description. There are many planets. They are simply thousands and millions of miles only gold, thousands and millions of miles only copper. We have got this description from the Srimad-Bhagavatam. There are oceans of milk, oceans of liquor, oceans of oil, oceans of yogurt. These things are there. What information you have got? You do not know fully what is the material nature. Therefore we do not believe that these men went to the moon planet. We have got different description of the moon planet. The moon planet is situated 1,600,000's of miles above the sun. We have got this description: 1,600,000 miles above the... And there is also blazing fire like the sun planet. Sun planet is very hot, and the moon planet is surrounded by very cool atmosphere. Just like when there is cold and heat together, you enjoy it, so moon planet is like that. And those who are in the karma-kandiya, means fruitive activities, those who are actually acting very piously, they are allowed to enter into the moon planet. And there you get life, ten thousands of years' duration of life. And that year is very, very big than our years. Our six months equal to one day in the moon planet. Now, such ten thousands of years you can get your duration of life, and very cold. Therefore you can drink there soma-rasa.

So these are the explanation in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. And it is situated above the sun planet, and above, the distance is also given there: 1,600,000's of miles. And above that, similarly, 1,600,000 miles, there is Mars, there is Jupiter, there is Venus, like that. So universe is not so small that you can ride on your 747 and go. (laughter) It is not so easy. It is not so easy. So therefore, from the circumstances, we can conclude that they could not approach the moon planet. And now they are saying that "It is useless. There is no need of going there. The grapes are sour." (laughter) The jackal jumping, jumping, jumping. When he could not get the grapes, then he is rejecting, "Oh, this is sour. It is no use." So after jumping so many years and spending so much money, they are now rejecting: "The moon planet is not habitable." But we get there. This is one of the heavenly planets, and it is habitable by the most advanced pious men. So these are the difference. Now it is your business to believe the so-called scientist or the sastra, as you like. But we cannot believe. Because we are Krsna conscious, we have to believe what is stated in the sastra.

So there is government. Therefore they were surprised that "Who are you that you are trying to..." Dharma-rajasya sasanam. Sasanam means government. "You are trying to resist us, from the government of Dharmaraja? We have never experienced. How is this? Who are you?" So this is the question. Now we shall discuss next day how this government of Dharmaraja is violated and why it is violated. We will hear next.

Thank you very much. (end)

 

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Everything working Systematically...by Chance

Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.32
Honolulu, May 31, 1976

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Pradyumna: "When the order carriers of Yamaraja, the son of the sun-god, were thus forbidden, they replied, 'Who are you, sirs, to have the audacity to challenge the jurisdiction of Yamaraja?' "

Prabhupada:

ucur nisedhitas tams te
vaivasvata-purahsarah
ke yuyam pratiseddharo
dharma-rajasya sasanam
 [SB 6.1.32]

So there is sasana. Sasana means government. Sas-dhatu I have several times explained. Sas-dhatu means ruling. Sas-dhatu. From sas-dhatu the word has come, sasana. There are many other words. From sas-dhatu is sastra. And from sas-dhatu, sastra. From sas-dhatu, sasanam. The Sanskrit words are coined from the dhatu verb. So sas-dhatu means ruling. So there is ruling. You cannot think that you are independent. There is government. If you disobey the ruling, the government has got police department, and if you are still disobedient there will be military department. You cannot disobey the rulings of the government. Similarly, this government, God's government, there are so many things -- government officers, department rulings. Don't think that there was a chunk and immediately there was... Nonsense. It is not chunk. (laughs) It is regular government. Just like we have here a small place. In Hawaii you have got so many government officers, rulers. And do you think such a vast (indistinct) is manifested and there is no ruling? Just see how poor thought. There is ruling. Don't think all of a sudden that... Any sane man can understand that things are being carried systematically -- the seasonal changes, the seasonal fruits and flowers, the sunrise, the moonrise, the birds, death, old age, disease, everything systematically. And is that happening by chance? Why by chance one does not live forever? There is no such chance, sir. There is ruling. You cannot say, "Now here is a chance the man has not died." Where is that chance? Why do you speak of nonsense chance? It is not chance. It is ruling. You must die. However, utopianly says, "Now we shall live." Oh, that is not. There is ruler.

So the Yamaraja is in charge of ruling of the sinful persons. Dharmasya sasanam. Dharmam tu saksad bhagavat-pranitam [SB 6.3.19]. Dharma means the laws of God. It is not a sentiment thing, "I believe." You believe or not believe, what does it matter? You believe or not believe in the government laws -- it must (indistinct). Similarly, the so-called philosophers, they simply concoct idea, "I believe. I believe." Whatever you believe, that is your business, but the ruling of the Supreme Lord must go on. You cannot check it. You cannot avoid it. You can go on with your believe or not believe. That is not the business. So Yamaraja is in charge of punishing according to the gravity of sinful activities. He's meant for punishing. That is just like superintendent of police or something like that, big officer, inspector general of the police department or the minister in charge of law and order. Everything is there in imitation, yato va imani bhutani jayante, janmady asya yatah [SB 1.1.1]. Wherefrom you get this idea? There must be minister in charge of law and order. Where you get this idea? The idea is there from the original government. And there is the director or the minister in charge of law and order. The Yamaraja is minister in charge. They say it is mythology, it is man's creation. How it is man's creation? Things are going on. In the sastra it is said,

yac-caksur esa savita sakala-grahanam
raja samasta-sura-murtir asesa-tejah
yasyajnaya bhramati sambhrta-kala-cakro
govindam adi-purusam tam aham bhajami

Savita, the sun, you, those who are initiated, so om bhur bhuvah svah tat savitur varenyam bhargo devasya dhimahi. That savita, the sun, they (indistinct) from the sun. What is that? Yac-caksur esa, this is God's eyes. As soon as there is sunlight, you see everything. You cannot avoid His eyes. You think that "Nobody's here. Let me steal this." No. Immediately recorded. At night the moon is there. There are so many witnesses. And the Supreme Personality of Godhead is also witnessing within. So we cannot escape His witnessing. He's witnessing from inside, from outside. So how He's escape your sinful activities? No. That is not possible.

So immediately things are recorded and, at the time of death, just as in the previous verse, we studied, vikarsato 'ntar hrdayad. Antar hrdayad, in the core of the heart the individual soul and the Supersoul is there, and Yamaraja will take, his order carriers will take the, not the heart, but the soul. The heart of the body, that is made of this material element, that will lie down here. But the soul may be taken by arrangement. This is very, very subtle arrangement, and these rascals, they do not know how things are going on. They are imagining, "I think it is like this and that." There is no value of this "I believe," "I think," "I conjecture." You can do that, but things are going on. The government is very, very strong. Little deviation from the law, you'll be punished. Little deviation. Nature's law, they are so systematically set up that automatically... Just like the same example I've given: you'll infect some disease, automatically you'll have to suffer from the disease. Not that somebody's come to ask you that "You have infected this disease. Now you have to suffer from this." No. The machine is so perfect that as you have infected this disease... This is practically we know. So all of a sudden one gets cholera. So the doctor says that you are very bilious, or cholera (indistinct). So nature's law is so perfect. Daivi hy esa gunamayi mama maya duratyaya [Bg. 7.14]. You cannot escape. Suppose you can eat two ounce, and if you eat four ounce, then you have to starve three days. This is the law. "There's some very palatable dishes. Now eat, let me eat it to my satisfaction," and you'll overeat. No. The nature's law is that you have to starve for three days. Next eating will be after three days.

So this way nature's law is acting. And what is this nature's law? Nature's law means a system, a machine. Just like in this government there is system. You cannot violate. "Keep to the right!" "Stop here, red light!" You must have to stop. "I'm governor." "Never mind, you stop." This is law. You cannot say that "I am governor," "I am Mr. Ford" or "Mr. Rockefeller," "Why shall I stop my car?" No, it is government law. You must stop. So this is practical going on. How you can violate the nature's law? It is not possible. Nature's law is so strict, a little deviation will put you into suffering. This is going on. That is Yamaraja. And if you violate more and more and more, then you suffer more and more and more. This is the law. You cannot escape. So that is fixed up. But as there is some exceptional cases... Just like one has committed murder, so by law he must be hanged. By law. That is the general law everywhere, all over the world: life for life. So similarly, in the God's law there is no such thing that if you kill a human being you'll be killed, and if you kill an animal you won't be killed. That is imperfect law, man-made law. Therefore Jesus Christ said, "Thou shall not kill." No question of... They have modified, "This killing means murdering." Christ does not say. What is your proof that if you committed mistake, a mistake, instead of writing "Thou shall not commit murder," here is written, "Thou shall not kill," general. Otherwise Christ has no intelligence. He cannot use the proper word. But you are misusing the order of Lord Christ.

So you are suffering. You are maintaining so many slaughterhouses, and when it will be mature, there will be war, the wholesale murder. Finished. One atom bomb -- finished. You'll have to suffer. Don't think that "Innocent animals, they cannot protest. Let us kill and eat." No. You'll be also punished. Wait for accumulation of your sinful activities, and there will be war, and the America will drop the atom bomb, and Russia will be finished. Both will be finished. Go on now enjoying. It takes time. Just like even if you infect some disease, it takes time. Not that immediately you infect, and immediately the disease is there. No. It takes a week's time or so. What is called? A quarantine, quarantine...

Devotee: Period of incubation.

Prabhupada: Ha? Incubation. So from Africa, if anyone goes anywhere, they require yellow fever injection. So if you haven't got yellow fever injection, then even in the airport, there is arrangement, you have to wait in the quarantine area for six days. You'll not be allowed. So this is... As you have got the laws and the punishment in this government, so why do you think there is no punishment and there is no God? This is utopian. Don't think like that. Utopian. There is God, there is his government, there are his agents, there are witnesses, and... Otherwise why there are different varieties of life? Different varieties of life. Why? Eight million, four hundred thousand species of life. Everyone is a living being. The trees are living being, the fishes are living being, the ants are living being, the mosquitos are living being, and the human being also living being, the demigods also living being, the cats, dogs -- everyone is living being. It is simply in different dresses. They're living beings. But why they are situated in different position? According to karma, punished.

So we should be very careful. This is... This human form of life is a chance to make your choice, whether you are to go on being punished like this in different forms of life or whether you shall go back to home, back to Godhead. Here is the chance. Manusyanam sahasresu kascid yatati siddhaye [Bg. 7.3]. Out of many millions and millions of persons, one is intelligent enough, he can inquire that "Why I am suffering?" Everyone is suffering. That's a fact. Only the rascals, they think, "We're enjoying." Everyone is suffering. This is a place for suffering. Duhkhalayam asasvatam [Bg. 8.15], Krsna says, who has created this place. It is a place of suffering. Every moment you are suffering due to this body, due to the mind, due to the suffering imposed by other living entities. The mosquito will bite, the flies will disturb you, the bugs are there, and then the dogs will bark unnecessarily. You are passing, and his business is barking. Ha? "Bow! Bow! Bow!" (laughter) So this is also suffering. You don't like the next door the dog is barking. So in this way, if you are sober man, you don't want all this suffering, but it is imposed upon you. How do you think that you are living very happy? This is foolishness. It is not... This place, either a-brahma-bhuvanal lokan punar avartino... Wherever you go, you read from the sastra, the demigods, they're supposed to be very happy in the upper planetary systems -- they are also not in happiness. There is fight between the demons and the demigods and so on, so on. The same politics, same (indistinct), the same..., so many things. Here in the small scale, just like two birds, they fight also. You've seen them. So their fighting you neglect. But your fighting -- there is atom bomb. And similarly there is fighting in upper planets also.

So these things are going on, struggle for existence, survival of the fittest. This is nice theory. So here, anywhere you go... Just like your America is the richest country. Do you think there is happiness, there is no fighting, there is no disease, there is no death? No. Everything's there as it is in other countries, poverty-stricken countries. So you cannot avoid. The birth... Krsna says, "Birth, death, old age and disease, these are your problems." Janma-mrtyu-jara-vyadhi duhkha-dosanudarsanam [Bg. 13.9]. Does it mean that these sufferings of birth, death and old age and disease, there is none in America or in other, moon planet? No. There is also same. Neither in greater portion, proportion. So there is stringent laws of the material nature everywhere, and there is God behind him, behind the nature. Mayadhyaksena prakrtih suyate sa-caracaram [Bg. 9.10]. Everything is going on under the direction of the supreme controller, and these are officers, just like Yamaraja, strictly following the regulative principles, the order of sun-god.

So this Ajamila... We have already described his life -- cheating, roguism and prostitute-hunter and so many things, that is his life. So he's subjected to the punishment, to be punished by the Yamaraja. So his order carriers have come to take him away. But, in the meantime, the Visnudutas came and asked them, "No. Don't touch him. Don't touch him." So they were surprised: "What is this?" Therefore they are asking, ke yuyam pratiseddharo dharma-rajasya sasanam: "Who are you, interfering with government's law? Who are you?" They are surprising. "Nobody has checked us." Just like police... They come... Police comes to somebody's house, everyone knows there is some business, serious business. Who will ask the police, "Why you are entering here?" No. Nobody has right. (indistinct) But why this punishment? Just to save him from so many other punishments. That is the law in Manu-samhita, that a murderer is killed, then his all sinful activities, reaction of life, finishes by that killing, by that hanging. Otherwise next life he has to suffer so many things. So when the king orders a murderer to be killed, it is his mercy. It is his mercy. Because he saves him from so many other entanglement. Better kill him so that his sinful reaction is finished. Similarly, Yamaraja, the sinful man taken to the Yamaraja, he is put into suffering, the same principle as a prisoner. He has to suffer for a time, six months or one year or sometimes more than that, just to atone for his sinful activities. So nobody can check. You can imagine that "There is no God, there is no Yamaraja, there is no punishment. Let me do." That is your fancy. But it is not the fact. Fact is, if we commit some sin we must suffer from it, and there is nobody in the world who can check it.

Thank you very much. (end)

 

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Doom, Boon and Deliverance

Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.31
San Francisco July 16, 1975

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Nitai: "As the order carriers of Yamaraja were snatching out the soul from the core of the heart of Ajamila, the husband of the prostitute, the order carriers of Visnu forbade them with great resounding voices to do so."

Prabhupada:

vikarsato 'ntar hrdayad
dasi-patim ajamilam
yama-presyan visnuduta
varayam asur ojasa
 [SB 6.1.31]

So when the order carriers of Yamaraja were trying to take away Ajamila from this world to the other lower planetary system... Below this universe there are many planetary systems. They are called Patala, Atala, Vitala, Talatala, Rasatala, Mahatala, Sutala -- seven layers. So below that layers there is hellish planets. Just like up there are heavenly planets, similarly, down there are hellish planets. So Yamaraja, his kingdom, his jurisdiction, is within these hellish planets.

So one point is very important. People are sometimes amazed, "Where is the soul?" Now it is clearly said here, hrdayat: "from the core of the heart." Therefore soul is existing within the heart. And the Paramatma is also existing. The yogis, they want to see. Although they are, Paramatma and jivatma, sitting side by side, and He is dictating, but on account of our foolishness we cannot see Him, neither hear Him. Antar-bahih. He is within and He is without, but unfortunate as we are, we cannot see Him either within or without. How it is possible? Just like a family member, your father or brother, is playing on the stage, but you cannot see him. Somebody is pointing out, "Here is your brother, dancing." You cannot see him. Nato natyadharo yatha. Just like a person dressed in dramatic performance, his relative cannot see him, similarly, Krsna is everywhere, andantara-stha-paramanu-cayantara-stham [Bs. 5.35]. Simply one has to make his eyes purified to see Him. Then he can see always Krsna, within and without.

Premanjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena [Bs. 5.38]. This seeing is possible only in bhakti, not in jnana, karma. No. No other way. Premanjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena. No other method is prescribed. In Bhagavad-gita also, it is said, bhaktya mam abhijanati yavan yas casmi tattvatah [Bg. 18.55]. If you want to know Krsna as He is, then you have to know Him through bhakti-yoga, not any other. Others, they may go on speculating for many, many millions of years. Still, they will not be able to understand.

panthas tu koti-sata-vatsara-sampragamyo
vayor athapi manaso muni-pungavanam
so 'py asti yat prapada-simny avicintya-tattve
govindam adi-purusam tam aham bhajami
 [Bs. 5.34]

For many millions of years running in the speed of mind and air, not this aeroplane speed... Aeroplane speed is, utmost, five hundred, six hundred miles. But you just imagine the mind's speed. Ten thousand miles away your mind can go immediately at a place where you have been. Mind is so speedy. Vayu, air, is speedy undoubtedly, but mind is still speedier. So even if you try to understand with the..., panthas tu koti-sata-vatsara-sampragamyo vayor athapi [Bs. 5.34], in aeroplane or via manasa, aeroplane with the... Aeroplane has got different speed, but even if you go with the mind's speed and time, panthas tu koti-sata-vatsara, hundreds and millions of years, still, you will not be able to understand what is Krsna, what is God, if you speculate. But if you are a devotee then you can see twenty-four hours Krsna. That is the difference. Panthas tu koti-sata-vatsara-sampragamyah.

So this dasi-pati, this is also significant word, "the prostitute's husband." Prostitute means... They are, in Sanskrit, called pumscali. Pumscali means they are moved by other men, pumscali. There are three kinds of women: sairindhri, pumscali... In this way there are divisions. So some women, they are very easily carried by men. So that is not very good. Therefore I am instructing our GBC's that "Let our little girls be educated to become faithful and chaste." That is their qualification. No education required. And the boys should be trained up to become first-class men, samo damas titiksa, like that. And literary, Sanskrit and English, that will make them perfect. If the husband is first class and the wife is chaste and faithful, then the home is heaven. This is the formula. Dampatyoh kalaho nasti tatra srih svayam agatah.

murkha yatra na pujyante
dhanyam yatra susancitam
dampatyoh kalaho nasti
tatra srih svayam agatah

Everyone is trying to become fortunate. Now, Canakya Pandita gives three things, formula, "If you want to be fortunate, then do these three things." What is that? Murkha yatra na pujyante: "Do not give any credit to the rascal." That is first qualification. Don't be carried away by the rascal. Murkha yatra na pujyante. If you worship a rascal, then your life is spoiled. You must worship a really learned representative of God. That is very good. And dhanyam yatra susancitam: "Food grains, they are properly stocked." Not that for your foodstuff, getting your food grain or earning your livelihood, you have to go hundred miles, fifty miles. No. At home, you produce your food grain and stock it. In India still, they work for three months during this rainy season, and they get their food grains for the whole year. You can save time so nicely. So these things are required for happy home. There must be food grains. You cannot be happy without eating. That is not possible. Annad bhavanti. Krsna also says in the Bhagavad-gita, annad bhavanti bhutani [Bg. 3.14]. If you have got sufficient anna, eatables, foodstuff, then you become happy.

So three things: one thing, that at home no rascal should be received or given credit... According to Vedic system, at home a sannyasi is welcome, a brahmana is welcome. Because they will give good instruction, so they are welcome. Just like when Gargamuni came to Maharaja Nanda, Nanda Maharaja's house, how nice reception he gave him. That is the... Especially... Of course, any guest is welcome, but especially a brahmana, a sannyasi, is very well received. Still in Indian village, if a sannyasi goes, he has no problem for eating or staying, residence. Everyone will request, "Swamiji, today you take prasadam at my place." So there are many villagers. So he can stay three days, four days. So there is no scarcity. Still they will invite you, "Please come. Take prasadam." So because... Why this system? Because sannyasi means he will give good instruction, spiritual knowledge. But that is his business, parivrajakacarya, wandering all over the world and giving good instruction. Therefore parivrajaka. Parivrajaka means wandering, and acarya means teacher. Parivrajakacarya. This is sannyasi's business. So they must be well received. At the present moment, if a sannyasi is trying to enter in some householder's house, immediately the doorman, "Please get out. Get out. Get out." Because some of the sannyasis, they have taken this dress as a means of livelihood. But still in the village, any sannyasi -- he may be a cheater, still he is welcome. In the cities, of course, in India, they are now doubtful, "Whether he is actually sannyasi or to fill up his belly he has taken this dress?" So this is the formula. So very learned men, the... generally, the sannyasi and brahmanas, they should be worshiped, not the fools and rascals.

So murkha yatra na pujyante and dhanyam yatra. Dhanyam means paddy, rice, well-stocked. Perhaps you have, in your country also what is called, barn? That, you keep...

Devotee: Silo.

Prabhupada: So you have got big, big stock. That is required. There may be scarcity at times, but if you keep stock, then there is no trouble. This one, no foolish rascal should be worshiped, food grains should be nicely stocked, and the third thing, most important, dampatyoh kalaho nasti: "There is no disagreement between husband and wife." If these three things are there, then you haven't got to pray to the goddess of fortune, "Kindly be merciful." She will automatically come. "Here is a very nice place. I shall stay here."

So this Ajamila, he was dasi-pati. He was a husband of a prostitute. So he was not happy. He was attached. Another thing is... That is also Canakya Pandita. He says, dusta-bharya. Dusta-bharya means this prostitute. Dusta, who is polluted by another man, he is called dusta. Strisu dustasu varna-sankarah abhibhavat. Therefore human civilization must be very careful that the women may not become polluted. Strisu dustasu. Dusta means she is not satisfied with husband. She wants new, new. That is called dusta. So Canakya Pandita says, dusta-bharya: "If the wife is dusta," dusta-bharya satham mitram, "and friend is satham, hypocrite, talking very friendly, but he has got something, design..." That is called satham mitram. Satham means hypocrite. So "If somebody's wife is dusta and friend is hypocrite," dusta-bharya satham mitram bhrtyas ca uttara-dayakah, "and bhrtya, servant, does not obey, he argues with the master..." Master says, "Why did you not do?" "Oh, I am this..." No argument. Bhrtya should be very silent. Then he is faithful servant. Sometimes master may be angry, but bhrtya should be silent. Then master becomes kind. But if he replies on equal level, oh, then it is very bad. Dusta-bharya satham mitram bhrtyas ca uttara-dayakah, sa-sarpe ca grhe vasah: "And you are living in a apartment where there is a snake." So if these four things are there or one of them, not all the fours, then mrtyur eva na samsayah: "Then you are doomed." You are doomed. Your life is spoiled.

dusta-bharya satham mitram
bhrtyas cottara-dayakah
sa-sarpe ca grhe vaso
mrtyur eva na samsayah

So this man married a prostitute, dusta-bharya, and he learned how to cheat, how to become fraud, so many. We have already discussed. That was his business. And he was very nicely... He was thinking, "I am very nicely situated." In this way he was little attached to the youngest child. That was his fortune, that he was named Narayana. That is Krsna's kindness. Krsna is so kind, so merciful to His devotee, that Uddhava says that "Krsna is so kind that Putana came to poison Krsna..." She smeared poison on her breast. She made a policy that "I shall take this child very affectionately and push the nipple in His mouth, and as soon as the child will drink the poison, He will die." And Krsna is so kind that although her motive was to kill Krsna, Krsna took the bright side. What is that? "Oh, I have sucked her breast, so she is My mother." Krsna has taken that. And therefore, after death, Putana got the same position as mother Yasoda. So Krsna is so kind. Who can kill Krsna? So for Krsna there is no black side or bright side. Krsna can drink oceans of poison. So that He did not take very seriously, that "This witches have come to poison Me, but she has agreed to give Me milk from her breast. Then she is My mother." This is Krsna's conclusion. Therefore Uddhava says, "Such a kind Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krsna, that the enemy, the poison-giver was accepted as mother. So whom I shall worship except Krsna?" This should be the conclusion, that "Krsna is so kind. Little service..."

So this Ajamila... And in the beginning of his life we was being trained up by his father, first-class brahmana Vaisnava, but he fell a victim to the prostitute and he forgot everything. But Krsna noted that "He has done something for Me." Svalpam apy asya dharmasya trayate mahato bhayat. Devotional service, if sincerely done, little only, that is also taken, just like the Putana. She had no desire, but still, consciously, unconsciously, she gave some service. Similarly, we should try our best to give some service to Krsna. If a little service is sincerely given, Krsna takes note of it, and His business is protect you, even though you fall down just like Ajamila. So Ajamila fell down very deeply from the standard of brahmana Vaisnava, but Krsna saved him, that "This man has got very much attraction for the child. So let him have the name Narayana." That dictation was given by Krsna, that "Better keep your son's name 'Narayana.' "

So he was attached to the son, always chanting "Narayana." "Narayana, please come. Narayana, please eat. Narayana, please sit down." So at the time of death he loudly chanted, "Narayana." He thought his son will save him from the hands of these Yamadutas. But immediately Krsna's attendants immediately came there, Visnudutas. And immediately they ordered, "You Yamadutas, carriers of order, stop, you cannot do it." That is stated here. Yama-presyan visnuduta varayam asuh: "Do not touch him." Ojasa: "very strongly." "If you touch, then you will be punished. Don't do it." (laughter) Ojasa. Ojasa. Ojasa means very strongly. Just like a master orders the servant, "You must do it," similarly, ojasa. This is the benefit of becoming Vaisnava and chanting. If you chant offenselessly... This man had no offense. He was misguided accidentally, but he did not commit any offense. He did not perform all sinful activities, that "I am now chanting Narayana, so it is being nullified. So let me go on doing these sinful activities and chant Narayana." No, he did not do so. He did not know what is the benefit of chanting Narayana's name. He did not know. So therefore, unconsciously, he was offenseless. Namno balad yasya hi papa-buddhih. If one thinks that "I am chanting Hare Krsna mantra, and it is said, 'By chanting Hare Krsna, everyone's sinful reaction of life becomes nullified,' so let me do these two thing," oh, that is very great offense. Namno balad yasya. You have heard about ten offenses. This is the gravest offense.

So Ajamila did not do that. He was foolish. He became victimized unknowingly. So he was committing sinful, means cheating others, became a fraud because he thought, "This is my livelihood." But he was affectionate to his son. He is always chanting, "Narayana, Narayana, Narayana," not purposefully, that "Let me chant Narayana and commit all sinful activities." No, that is not. You should mark this. Therefore the Visnudutas came, that "He is not offender. He is innocent criminal." So therefore the Yamadutas came and immediately, very forcefully ordered, "Do not touch Ajamila." Now, the next discussion we shall... It is very interesting.

Thank you very much. (end)

 

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