Prabhupada: What is that? Plain water
bring.
sri-rsabha uvaca
nayam deho deha-bhajam nrloke
kastan kaman arhate vid-bhujam ye
tapo divyam putraka yena sattvam
suddhyed yasmad brahma-saukhyam tv anantam
[SB 5.5.1]
This is Fifth Chapter of the Fifth Canto of Srimad-Bhagavatam. Srimad-Bhagavatam is the last contribution of Vyasadeva. Srimad-bhagavatam nigama-kalpa-taror galitam phalam idam [SB 1.1.3]. In the beginning, introduction of Srimad-Bhagavatam, Vyasadeva giving the information that this Srimad-Bhagavatam is the nigama-kalpa-taror galitam phalam idam. Nigama means Vedas. So he compared the Vedas as a tree where you can get many fruits. So this Srimad-Bhagavatam is described as nigama-kalpa-taror galitam phalam idam [SB 1.1.3]. Kalpa-taru means desire tree. Desire tree, you can get any kind of fruit from that tree. In the material world there are many different types of trees, fruits, and flowers, but you can get one type of fruit or one type of flower from a particular type of tree. But there is another tree. That is in the spiritual world. That is called desire tree. Whatever you want from that tree you can get. Kalpa-taru. The spiritual world, description of the spiritual world is there in the Brahma-samhita. Cintamani-prakara-sadmasu kalpa-vrksa [Bs. 5.29]. There the trees are kalpa-vrksa, or nigama-kalpa-taru. Kalpa-taru or kalpa-vrksa, the same thing.
So Vedas means knowledge. So from the Vedas you can get all kinds of knowledge, both material and spiritual. Therefore it is called Veda, knowledge. So in that tree of knowledge the ripened fruit is Srimad-Bhagavatam. Srimad-Bhagavatam is written by Vyasadeva after writing four Vedas and the eighteen Puranas, the 108 Upanisads, then Vedanta-sutra, and Mahabharata, in which Bhagavad-gita is set up. So after compiling all these Vedic literatures Vyasadeva was not satisfied. Then his spiritual master advised him to describe the activities of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. That is Srimad-Bhagavatam. Bhagavat. Bhagavan. The word Bhagavat and... Bhagavata is also in relationship with Bhagavat or Bhagavan. So every sloka of Srimad-Bhagavatam is full of spiritual information. If we take advantage of this great Vedic literature, then we become fully aware of Bhagavan and the devotees of Bhagavan. Therefore it is named Bhagavatam. But this Bhagavatam has to be studied from the very beginning and take the lessons from live bhagavata. There are two kinds of Bhagavatam -- one, this grantha bhagavatam, and the other is a person bhagavatam. Caitanya Mahaprabhu advised that if you want to understand Bhagavatam, then you must approach a person whose life is Bhagavatam. He said, bhagavata para-giya bhagavata sthane, that "If we learn, listen, Srimad-Bhagavatam from the person bhagavatam, then it is very easy to understand the spiritual knowledge given in the Srimad-Bhagavatam."
So here Rsabhadeva... Rsabhadeva was the father of Maharaja Bharata, under whose name this land is called Bharatavar\ sa. Bharatavarsa is derived from the name of Maharaja Bharata. So his father, Rsabhadeva, He is accepted as incarnation of Krsna. So He is giving instruction to His sons before retiring. In our Vedic culture there is compulsory retirement. There is compulsory retirement. That is Vedic civilization, varnasrama-dharma. What is going on... As we are going on in the name of Hindus, but Hindu is not mentioned in the Vedic literature. In the Vedic literature the principles or the institute followed by the inhabitants of Bharatavarsa is called varnasrama-dharma. That is real occupation.
varnasramacaravata
purusena parah puman
visnur aradhyate pumsam
nanyat tat-tosa-karanam
[Cc. Madhya 8.58]
Whole Vedic civilization means: realize God. That is Vedic civilization. Visnur aradhyate. We are part and parcel of Visnu, or the Supreme Lord. As it is explained in the Bhagavad-gita, mamaivamso jiva-bhutah [Bg. 15.7]. Jiva-bhutah, these living entities, not only human being but everyone, sarva yonisu kaunteya [Bg. 14.4], in every form of life, the living entities are covered with the material dress. So Bhagavata-dharma, or spiritual life, can be understood when one has understood his identification, what he is. Therefore in the Bhagavad-gita the first lesson given by Krsna to Arjuna is to bring him to the spiritual platform. When Arjuna was lamenting on the body of his relatives on the other side, he was too much affected in the bodily conception of life: "How I shall fight with the other side? They are all my brothers, nephews, my teacher, my grandfather, and who has fought with such enemies in the history?" Everyone fights. There is fighting but not fighting with own men, even at the present moment, although there is sometimes civil war.
So Arjuna was too much affected by the bodily conception of life. That is the disease of this material world. We are thinking in terms of this body, but the sastra says that,
yasyatma-buddhih kunape tri-dhatuke
sva-dhih kalatradisu bhauma ijya-dhih
yat-tirtha-buddhih salile na karhicij
janesv abhijnesu sa eva go-kharah
[SB 10.84.13]
The bodily conception of life is animal life. If I think that "I am this body. I am Indian," and you think that you are this body, you are American or Englishman -- in so many ways we are designated -- so, so long we think in these terms of knowledge, that "I am this body..." Yasyatma-buddhih kunape tri-dhatuke. This is a bag of three elements: kapha, pitta, vayu. Or if we don't understand kapha pitta vayu, we can understand that this body is made of flesh, bone, mucus. What you will find if we dissect this body? You'll find flesh, blood, bone, urine, stool, so many things, these material things. But if we think that "I am this body, a composition of blood, flesh, bone, and urine and stool," is that very good intelligence? No. Therefore sastra says, "Anyone who is thinking this body combination of these elements" -- combined together it is called tri-dhatuke-sa eva go-kharah [SB 10.84.13], "such person is no better than the cows and the asses." Because I am not combination of this blood, bone, flesh, and urine and stool. I am not this combination. Aham brahmasmi. I am spirit soul. This is really realization, knowledge.
So unless one comes to that platform, that "I am beyond this blood, flesh, bone, urine, stool..." Apareyam itas tu viddhi me prakrtim parah. That is explained in the Bhagavad-gita, that "These material elements -- earth, water, air, fire, sky, mind, intelligence, ego -- these are eight separated energy of the Supreme Lord." And the Lord says, apareyam: "These elements are inferior energy." Itas tu viddhi me prakrtim parah: "Beyond this, you try to understand, there is another nature, prakrti." What is that another nature? Jiva-bhuto maha-baho yayedam dharyate jagat: [Bg. 7.5] "That is jiva-bhutah." So mamaivamso jiva-bhutah: [Bg. 15.7] "These living entities," Krsna said, "they are My part and parcel." So we are now covered with these material energies although I am spiritual energy. This is our position. So this human form of life is a chance to understand that "I am not this body; I am spiritual energy," aham brahmasmi. This chance is given to the human form of life, not to the cats and dogs.
So the same principle is explained throughout all the Vedic literature in different way just to understand one's identity, that he is not this matter; he is spirit soul. And when he understands, then the next stage will be: "Then what is my duty?" Because at the present moment we are acting on the bodily concept of life, how this body shall be kept in comfort, how the bodily relationship -- wife, children, family, community, society, nation... They are all expanded bodily concept of life. So in any conception of this material world, if we live, then you are living like cats and dogs. You are not living as human being. Otherwise where is the difference? When we see on the street two dogs are fighting, one dog is thinking, "This neighborhood is my jurisdiction, and why you have come from other jurisdiction in this neighborhood?" The fighting with the bodily concept of life. Or he is thinking, "This neighborhood belongs to me. Why you have come from other neighborhood here?" I say sometimes to my student, "This is immigration department. One dog is barking on other dog, 'Why you have come here?' " It is dog conception of life.
The spiritual conception of life is that everything belongs to God. That is the fact. Isavasyam idam sarvam [Iso mantra 1]. Everything belongs to God; the land, water, sky. It is said, bhumir apo analo vayuh. This is expansion of the energy of God. So what is the use, claiming God's property as my property? That is mistaken. Yasyatma-buddhih kunape. This body is also God's property. Everything God's property because Krsna says, bhumir apo 'nalo vayuh kham mano buddhir eva ca [Bg. 7.4]. This microphone, what it is? It is made of some earthly metal, wood, but the material belongs to God. I may have taken advantage of taking this material and manufactured something. That does not mean it is mine. If a carpenter makes a good furniture and the wood is supplied by somebody else and the carpenter is paid his wages, when the nice furniture is made, to whom it will belong? To the carpenter or to the person who has supplied the ingredients? It is very commonsense question.
So actually nothing belongs to us. We also do not belong independently. We are not independent. Krsna says jiva-bhutah, or mamaivamso [Bg. 15.7]. We are part and parcel of Krsna. Just like this finger is part and parcel of my body, so the finger has no separate existence. If this finger is cut off from my hand and it has a separate existence, it will fall down on the street, and it has no value. Others are trampling down; still nobody cares for it, although it is the same finger but cut off from this body. But so long this small finger is attached to this body it has value. If there is some disease or pain, I can spend thousands of dollars for curing it. And when it is cut off from my body it has no value. Similarly, we being part and parcel of God, when we are forgetful or cut off It cannot be cut off, but still, when we forget God, then we have no value. The same example: When I ask my finger to come here and give me some itching sensation, then the finger is in normal condition. And if the finger cannot give me any service, that is useless. Similarly, we being part and parcel of God, our business is to give service to God. That is our normal condition. And if we do not give service to the Lord, if we keep separately, then we have no value.
This point is stressed here that nayam deho deha-bhajam nrloke kastan kaman arhate vid-bhujam ye [SB 5.5.1]. Rsabhadeva is advising to His sons, "My dear sons, this body specially," nayam deha nrloke, "in the human society, it is not to be spoiled." Nayam deho deha-bhajam..., kastan kaman: "It is not be spoiled engaging it uselessly, very hard labor for satisfaction of the senses. Because this kind of business is there, vid-bhujam." Vid-bhujam means the stool-eater, hogs. The hogs are stool-eater, and they are working very hard day and night, and the business is kastan kaman, to satisfy the senses, these two business: where to find out source of income, and eat anything without any discrimination. Just like the hog has no discrimination. It is prepared to eat even stool. So this kind of life, to work very hard and get foodstuff without any discrimination and then satisfy the senses without any discrimination of sex A hog, you will find, they have no discrimination of sex -- mother, sister, or anyone. You will find. These are the natural instruction. So therefore, the example is given here, "My dear sons, don't live like hogs, toiling whole day and night and eating stool and without any sex discrimination you go on satisfying your senses." This is the first attack to the human civilization, that simply work very, very hard and then satisfy your senses and you take it as civilization.
It is not civilization. If we think over these two lines, then we can find out that our modern civilization... It was formerly also the same, but not so extensively. At the present moment, in this age of Kali, the hog civilization is spread very widely. Therefore this instruction is very important. Nayam deho deha-bhajam nrloke kastan kaman arhate vid-bhujam ye [SB 5.5.1]. Human life means very peaceful life, without any trouble. That is Vedic civilization. These books written by Vyasadeva, he was writing these books, such exalted knowledge, in Hardwar, in a secluded place, very peacefully situated. And that knowledge was taken by the ksatriyas, and they were distributing. As it is said in the Bhagavad-gita, imam rajarsayo viduh [Bg. 4.2]. Vedic knowledge was first of all taken up by the ksatriyas. Brahmanas, they used to cultivate knowledge and they used to advise the ksatriyas, rulers, and they took it and they distributed to the general mass of people for the elevation of the spiritual platform. This is civilization. In the Bhagavad-gita it is said, catur-varnyam maya srstam guna-karma-vibhagasah [Bg. 4.13]. This is creation of God, catur-varnyam: brahmana, ksatriya, vaisya, sudra. This is called varna, and as spiritual cultivation, brahmacari, grhastha, vanaprastha, and sannyasa. So our civilization, Vedic civilization, means varnasrama-dharma, following the four principles of varnas and four principles of asrama. The ultimate goal is God realization. That is the human civilization. If there is no God realization, simply working hard day and night for sense gratification, it is accepted as hog civilization, dog civilization. That is stated here: nayam deho deha-bhajam nrloke kastan kaman arhate vid-bhujam ye [SB 5.5.1].
Then, if we give up this kind of civilization, then what is
to be done? Tapo divyam putraka yena sattvam suddhyet. The next engagement is
tapasya, tapo. Tapasya means austerity, penances, voluntarily acceptance of
something, some means of activity which may not be very palatable. But still, we
have to do that. Just like a patient, if he is forbidden by the physician not to
certain type of foodstuff, it may be pain... Just like typhoid fever. The
doctor advises, "Don't take any solid food." But if we... I am accustomed to
take paratha. So in typhoid to take paratha means death. Similarly, we have to
follow the sastric injunction. If we really want to come out this material
bondage... Material bondage means this body. Our real problem is this body. That
we do not know. Nunam pramattah kurute vikarma yad indriya-pritaya aprnoti [SB
5.5.4]. This will come, that "We have now become mad after sense gratification."
Pramattah. Pramattah means prakrsta-rupena mattah. Mattah means mad. And when
this affix is there, prefix is there, that pra, pra means prakrsta-rupena,
sufficiently mad. So in this material world we have become sufficiently mad --
not only mad, but sufficiently mad. Nunam pramattah kurute vikarma [SB 5.5.4].
And we are engaged in activities which are forbidden. Forbidden. Just like we
are drinking. This is forbidden. We are eating meat. This is forbidden. We are
having illicit sex. This is forbidden. We are having gambling. This is
forbidden. This is called vikarma. But because we have become mad, we are, whole
human civilization is meant for these four things: illicit sex, meat-eating, and
intoxication, and gambling.
So nunam pramattah kurute vikarma yad indriya-pritaya aprnoti [SB 5.5.4]. So we have become mad and we are engaged in these forbidden works. If we want to get out of these clutches of material bondage, then we must stop these forbidden activities, mad, the activities of a mad man. So if you go on like that, then we shall have to accept another material body. The problem is that we are suffering threefold miseries, every one of us. Maybe the degree different, but under being intoxicated, we do not take the sufferings as sufferings. That is another madness. But the sufferings are there. That is being pointed out by Krsna in the Bhagavad-gita: janma-mrtyu-jara-vyadhi-
So tomorrow not, say hundred years after, you will have to die. You cannot escape this. Janma-mrtyu-jara-vyadhi-
dehino 'smin yatha dehe
kaumaram yauvanam jara
tatha dehantara-praptir
dhiras tatra na muhyati
[Bg. 2.13]
You are living entity; you are not these flesh and bones. You are spirit soul and you are within this body. You are now entrapped with this material body, and so long you will act irresponsibly, you will get another material... Tatha dehantara-praptih. You will get another body, and that body is not guaranteed. There are 8,400,000 different forms of body. Sarva-yonisu kaunteya [Bg. 14.4]. Although the spirit soul is there, but this particular body, the hog's body or the man's body or the demigod's body There are so many. Jalaja nava-laksani sthavara laksa-vimsati. There are 900,000 forms of body within the body. Sthavara laksa-vimsati. And there are trees, plants, two million forms of body. So we have already gone through all this body, and we have got this human form of body after many, many millions of years by evolutionary process. Therefore Rsabhadeva says, ayam deha. This body, don't think it is ordinarily received. Nayam deho deha-bhajam nrloke: "In the human society you should not waste it like the hogs and dogs simply for sense gratification." This is the Bhagavata instruction. You should soberly use it.
So how soberly used? That is also stated in the Bhagavad-gita:
yanti deva-vrata devan
pitrn yanti pitr-vratah
bhutejya yanti bhutani
mad-yajino 'pi yanti mam
[Bg. 9.25]
You can utilize this body properly for higher standard of life. You can go to the higher planetary system. The higher planetary system begins from the sun. That is another subject matter. But so far we get information from Srimad-Bhagavatam, there sun, then moon, according to Bhagavatam. And I think... We were talking about these things, that whether the moon is the first planet or the sun is the first planet. So far we understand from Vedic literature, the moon is the second planet. The sun is the first planet. If we consider like that, then moon is beyond the sun planet. The estimation is there in the Srimad-Bhagavatam: 1,600,000 miles above the sun the moon is situated. Now, if we take consideration of the sun planet situated 93,000,000 miles from earth, then add 1,600,000 miles again, it comes to 15,000,000..., 95,000,000's miles away from the earthly planet. And how you can reach there in four days, 95,000,000 miles away? If we apply our common sense, then it appears they have never gone to the moon planet. It is all bogus propaganda. It is not possible.
So sastra-caksusat: our knowledge should be through the sastra. That is practical. And our process of knowledge is this: we get knowledge from sastra, like Bhagavad-gita, Srimad-Bhagavatam, Vedic knowledge. We do not claim to be very big scientists. That is not possible. But we get knowledge from the best scientific man or person, the Personality of Godhead, Krsna, Vyasadeva, Narada, Asita, Devala, later on the acaryas, Ramanujacarya, Madhvacarya, Sankaracarya, Caitanya. Our process of knowledge is not any speculation: "It may be," "Perhaps." No. We don't accept this knowledge. "It may be," "Perhaps" -- these are all foolishness. That means one who has no perfect knowledge, he will say, "It may be," "Perhaps." One who has definite knowledge, why he will say, "It may be"? It must be. That is knowledge. Just like we get knowledge from the sastra, jalaja nava-laksani: "There are nine hundred thousand species or forms of life in the water." So we have not gone into the water, but we get from the authorities, Padma Purana, and we accept it. So our process of knowledge... You may say that "You have not practically experimented," but what you have experimented? You also hear from others. You believe that they have gone to moon planet. You have not gone. You have heard from somebody in the newspaper, that's all. That is your authority. So if you can believe in the newspaper, then I cannot believe in the sastras?
So it is a different source of knowledge, but one takes one source, another takes another source. Our source of knowledge is Krsna or Krsna's disciples. That is our Evam parampara-praptam imam rajarsayo viduh [Bg. 4.2]. This is the source of knowledge, avaroha-pantha, knowledge coming from higher authorities. Just like Rsabhadeva is giving knowledge to His sons. That is natural. Sons take advice from the father. That is the beginning of knowledge. If a little child asks the father, "My dear father, what is this machine?" The father says, "My dear child, this is called microphone." So when the child says, after hearing from the father, that "It is microphone," that is perfect knowledge. The child may be a innocent child. He does not know. He is not a scientist. But when, after hearing from the authority, father, if he says, "It is microphone," that statement is correct. There is no mistake. Similarly, we may be fools and rascals. That's all right. But when we receive knowledge from Krsna, who says, asmin dehe, dehino 'smin, yat kaumara yauvana, tatha dehantara-praptih... [Bg. 2.13].
When Krsna says that within this body there is the living soul and the living soul is transmigrating... Tatha dehantara-praptih. As we are getting different bodies in this life also, from childhood to boyhood, from boyhood to old body, then what is after old body? Tatha dehantara-praptih: you get another body. But we do not know what kind of body we are getting. Where is that science? Where is that education, that there is dehantara-praptih, there is transmigration of the soul, and there are so many different types of body? Suppose in this body I am very comfortably situated, I am a very big man, or very great minister, politician, everything is all right -- but in the next life, if I am going to get the body of a dog, who can check it? Nature's law will go on. At that time, as minister or big man, if you dictate that "Give me a body like this," oh, that will not be heard. You will get a type of body according to your karma. Karmana daiva-netrena jantor deha upapatti [SB 3.31.1]. According to your karma, you will get a type of body. This is nature's law. Prakrteh kriyamanani gunaih karmani sarvasah [Bg. 3.27]. We are completely under the grip of nature's law. We cannot change it. If we challenge that "There is no death," no, death will come. That is nature's law. And if you want to stop death, then that is another process. That is described here. Tapo divyam putraka yena sattvam suddhyet: [SB 5.5.1] You have to accept this process of austerity by which you will purify your existence. Then you will get deathless life, eternal. Yat gatva na nivartante tad dhama paramam mama. Tyakva deham punar janma naiti mam eti kaunteya. This is the science. This Bhagavata literature, this Vedic literature, is giving you information how you can revive your original, eternal life. Nityah sasvato 'yam na hanyate hanyamane sarire [Bg. 2.20]. That is the business of human life, not to become mad like hogs and dogs and simply work very hard -- "Where is stool?" -- and eat it and get some strength, and then enjoy senses. This is not life. This is not civilization.
So Rsabhadeva's instruction is tapo divyam putraka yena sattvam suddhyet [SB 5.5.1]. Why it is necessary to purify my existence? Suddhyed yasmad brahma-saukhyam tu anantam. You are seeking after happiness, but your happiness is being checked. You have made very good arrangement for enjoying life, happiness, but it is being checked. You have to die. You make all nice arrangement, but you have to die. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gita. Mrtyuh sarva-haras caham [Bg. 10.34]. Aham. Krsna says that "Those persons who do not want Me, or persons who do not like to understand God, they will see God, Me." When? "At the time of death," as Hiranyakasipu saw. He challenged always God. His son was devotee, and that was the misunderstanding between the father and the son...[break] This father said that "God is enemy. Visnu is my enemy. You do not take the name of Visnu." And the child, boy, will take. That is the cause of enmity. So at the end he saw Hiranyakasipu Hiranyakasipu saw Nrsimhadeva. Immediately finished everything. So that is the case of everyone, that one has to meet death. And at the time of death, whatever arrangement he has made for so-called happiness will be taken away. Mrtyuh sarva-haras caham. Then he will be offered another body. It may be a human body or he may be a dog's body or hog's body, and we have to accept it.
prakrteh kriyamanani
gunaih karmani sarvasah
ahankara-vimudhatma
kartaham iti manyate
[Bg. 3.27]
Karanam guna-sango 'sya sad-asad-janma-yonisu [Bg. 13.22]. The laws of nature is working, and he is infecting a particular type of the modes of material nature, he is preparing his next body. Karanam guna-sango 'sya sad-asad-janma-yonisu.
So in the human form of life if we do not purify our existence, if we do not realize God, if we do not understand what is my relationship with God, then we are simply wasting time living like cats and dogs. These things should be stopped. And our Krsna consciousness movement is meant for stopping this rascal civilization and giving you life.
Thank you very much. Hare Krsna. [break] Yes?
Guest (1): Your good sir, if you describe the following of Bharata Maharaja, Bharata-varsa. I'd like to be enlightened on that, how the Bharata-varsa is derived.
Prabhupada: Bharata, Bharata Maharaja, yes.
Guest (1): You have very named... I couldn't get it. I feel, personally for myself, that the Bharata was the new vision of the self as the fulfiller, and from that, it has been derived.
Prabhupada: There are two, three Bharatas. So Sakuntala's son was Bharata, and Ramacandra's brother was Bharata, and the Rsabhadeva's son was Bharata. But from the sastric information we understand this Bharata-varsa is meant from the name, from the name of Rsabhadeva's son Bharata.
Guest (1): Name of?
Prabhupada: Bharata.
Guest (1): And you say it has been derived from the twelfth son, Bharata.
Prabhupada: Yes. He had one hundred sons. The eldest son's name was Bharata.
Guest (1): And what do you think about the factor in reincarnation? Do you think it has got any significance?
Prabhupada: I do not think anything. I have already explained. We do not think, "Perhaps," "Maybe."
Guest (1): Do you think reincarnation is there...
Prabhupada: Yes, that is stated in the sastra.
Guest (1): What is your opinion about it?
Prabhupada: I have no opinion. I take sastra as it is.
Guest (1): After all, you are writing...
Guest (2): My general difficulty, that the soul is not itself impossible to turn about, but...
Prabhupada: [break] They train children as vyabhicari, so how you can expect good civilization? So everything is there. It is very difficult, undoubtedly, but if you train from the very beginning of life... That is stated by Prahlada Maharaja:
kaumara acaret prajno
dharman bhagavatan iha
durlabham manusam janma
tad apy adhruvam arthadam
[SB 7.6.1]
He says... He was child, five years old. His other... In tiffin hours the other children of the demons, they were playing, and Prahlada Maharaja was asking to sit down and hear him. He was preaching, "My dear friends," kaumara acaret prajno dharman bhagavatan, "don't spoil your life by playing. Now this is the period of understanding bhagavata-dharma." Bhagavata-dharma means to understand God and our relationship with God and act accordingly. That is called bhagavata-dharma. So kaumara acaret prajna dharman bhagavatan. If you want... We might have done mistakes in our life, but if we train our children in the brahmacari system and gradually they understand the bhagavata-dharma, at least their life becomes perfect. And in the Bhagavata it is ordered that... You will find all this in this Rsabhadeva's instruction. Pita na sa syat janani na sa syat sva-jano na sa sya..., guror na sa syat: "One should not become guru... One should not become guru, one should not become kinsmen, one should not become father, one should not become mother" -- na mocayed yah samupeta-mrtyum -- "if one cannot give lesson to the children how to avoid death." This is the duty of the guardians, of the government, how to avoid death. Where is that education? So that is the defect of the modern education. There is no training. So, gardulika pravaha.(?) It is going on, very risky civilization.
Guest (2): Swamiji, I was asking point in a different way, that we are so helpless. We are born as human being with inherent weaknesses and shortcomings, like kama, krodha, moha, lobha...
Prabhupada: Yes, that I know. But you can rectify it provided you like. But if you don't like to rectify yourself, how it can be done? If you are thinking that you have got so many defects, you rectify your defects, just like these European, American boys. They were all illicit sex-hunters and intoxicators and meat-eaters. That is their daily affair. How they have given up? They have decided that "We shall rectify ourself." You rectify yourself and you will be able to do. Are you prepared to rectify yourself?
Guest (2): That's why nature has given us to..., why nature...
Prabhupada: Nature has made you a dog. Why should you remain a dog? You should become a human being. That is your duty.
Guest (3): My question: Do you think your quality to change... A person, if that sould becomes fate or lift...
Prabhupada: No fate can be changed. I understand. These questions are generally put. Fate can be changed.
Guest (3): By name.
Prabhupada: By Krsna consciousness. Karmani nirdahati kintu ca bhakti-bhajam [Bs. 5.54]. Others cannot change their fate, but only the devotees can change. How? Krsna says, aham tvam sarva-papebhyo moksayisyami [Bg. 18.66]. Krsna says, "I shall give you protection from all the resultant action of your sinful life." That is fate changed. If you don't surrender to Krsna, then you have to suffer or enjoy the actions of your fruitive activities. But when you surrender to Krsna, He takes charge of squaring up all your sinful activities and their reaction. That is... So you surrender to Krsna; then your fate is changed. Otherwise it is not possible.
Guest (4): Your Divine Grace, on behalf of the residents of the Jorbhag Colony, I thank you most sincerely for coming here, taking the trouble of coming here and giving this learned discourse. In the inscrutable past and from the holy ages, this land of ours has thrown up great masters who have drunk deeply at the inexhaustible spiritual knowledge handed over to us... (end)
© 2001 The Bhaktivedanta Book Trust International.
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